Artie said Howard has lost his damn mind
I can see both sides of the argument. Howard has evolved and gotten older and more mature, but I do miss the old Howard. The show isn't as good anymore. All this PC bullshit has made his show a watered down version of what it once was.
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I say evolving as a human.
He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.
Yes he's evolved into a total sellout
This is dumb. He's not a sellout. It's a different world. If we still lived in 1995, I'm sure he'd still be saying the same things (admittedly with less intensity as age mellows a man out).
If he said the type of shit he said back then... or even as recently as 10-15 years ago, his show would not be on the air. Plain and simple. Could he be doing it better? I already said above, yes he could.
Look at Imus. I don't think Howard wants to go the same route. That doesn't make him a sell out.
Please. U are utterly and totally clueless to who Howard' was. U were most likely floating in your dad's nut sack when I started listening to him. Seriously. How old are u? And. He stared on radio and his wars w the "suits". How he disdained sellouts. How he used to rail on people "jumping the shark". He used to do while segments on it.
He has every right to do and be who he wants. But he's a sellout and a hypocrit. What's fu by is how people justify it by him "Maturing". He could have toned down his act without being a sellout but he didn't. He became exactly the type of a lister he constantly goofed. On. Just because you did t exist when he acted like that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
And for a specific example he used to play Marky Mark interviews the make fun of Mark Walberg. Can we go back to the "Pog Vomit" days.
Nothing irks me more than hypocrisy. He's the living embodiment of it
You'd never know by looking at him, but yep, sure is. See for yourself!
Whoops, wrong picture! You can see how easy a mistake it is to make though, right?
And Millennials, who might be expected to enjoy juvenile humor, are incredibly PC.
After being a celebrity for over 30 years, Howard wants to stay on top, so really he had no choice but to change. The troubling part is the hypocrisy: he used to ridicule corporate culture and the Marci Turks of the world. Now suddenly he spewing the corporate line.
So, his chnage is understandable but still disappointing
Careful, or you'll end up a known racist in these parts.
It is nice to see some non-lazy thinking.
I find that perspective interesting, but I think he was simply a salesperson. And he found an audience that gravitated to the envelope pushing rebellion. I liked him in the olden days, don't listen now because I don't listen to radio at all without a commute (I work from home), but if I had a commute I'd pony up for Sirius and still listen.
He peaked around here
Howard is old. Not only does he likely not want to cultivate daily the same wacky feel the show had, it would probably come off poorly, esp with no Artie, no Jackie, wack Packers dying or getting old etc. Once in a while is okay (e.g. "Special People's Court" and the subsequent Erik sticking his face in Will the Farter's ass was a home run), but every day just ain't possible anymore.
By & large, comedians are at their peak in the 20s, 30s, & sometimes 40s. Arguable reasons for this and there are exceptions, but that's just the way it is.
I get what Artie's saying and despite his obvious shortcomings (as a comedian and as a person) I always loved him on the show. But Howard is still good listening IMO, just in a different way. Slight overcompensation on his part toward "I wanna be known as a tremendous interviewer" but most of them are pretty entertaining. Everyone's a sell out. Everyone. To different degrees, sure, but it doesn't bother me at this stage in his life. It's a reasonably good complement to his obviously superior (at times legendary) work of the past.
You're wrong. Beet earned $30,000 for Bubble Boy. Who knows what all the appearances added up to but I imagine he's made six figures off his Howard fame and he's got his loving mom (link below) and Bobby looking out for him.
And Hank sought out Howard, not the other way around. He showed up at the studio hoping to get on the air.
Some were pulled by relatives I believe out of concern (Slow Adam), but by & large they make out okay. Although - and I am far from PC - likely a good idea to ditch the word Retard.
The show reached a new high with the Wack Pack. For my money, the funniest segments in the history of the show (and I realize this is saying a lot) are the Politically Incorrect Wack Pack segments with Maher.
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Wow.
he only has 30 million + listeners. hey. how is it living in a cave?
Sorry, I don't have Sirius. It sucks donkey cock.
I love that every movie he says is great (obviously pandering to guests and potential guests) usually absolutely sucks yet he claims to be the cutting edge judge of all thinks pop culture.
I love Artie too, but I think he just doesn't understand why Howard can't let him back on the show.
Yea ... what happened to the "Wrap Up Show"? It used to be hilarious when Sal and Richard would go in there ... I think the Wrap-up show was starting to get more interesting than the actual show.
Howard got old and mellowed a bit ... plus 15 years of therapy 3-4 times a week has to change someone (in a good way) - if they need help. Didn't he turn 60 this year .... I think he knew (at his age) - the strippers, pornstars, and Sybian might make him appear as a creep dirty old man if he continued it much longer. Rumor has it his wife has had an influence on him also.
That's gone now, and it has nothing to do with aging or changing societal mores. He could have cleaned up his language and left the crassness behind while still taking potshots at those people from the outside.
Did you stroke out while posting this?
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Is this true or am I off on my facts?? I always believed this and wondered was he a hypocrite
My sister (who used to be in the business) is friends with Artie. I was with her one time in a Starbucks in Hoboken and he came in with his bathrobe and slippers and sat down to talk for a while.
Yeah he is fucked up and has a pile of his own issues. However, he is not wrong about Howard and how he has sold out. All you need to do is go back and watch Private Parts. See how he did exactly what the producers, station owners and everyone else didn't want him to do and that is what made him successful. Now it is nothing more than "The View" with a few F Bombs dropped in.
Second...he's just a genuinely miserable guy. He his the lottery with his life, yet whines, complains for years about his poor deal with Sirus. He can't take ANY joy in what anybody else likes...case in point....Letterman retires...Stern appears on his final week...and Stern really pissed him off with some really inappropriate cheap shots that showed HE was jealous that Letterman was secure enough with his ego to retire whereas Sterm will NEVER retire, he will hate working but can't retire for fear of losing his status.
I never listened to Howard on my own but heard him a decent amount because of people I was with, especially when I worked construction
My best memory of Howard is listening to a tape of him right after he made a deal with the FCC to stay on the air. He had Al Lewis on as a guest and Al is saying "Fuck the FCC" with different cadences so they can't bleep him out and Howard is repeatedly saying "thanks Grandpa" "great Grandpa," good going Grandpa." Classic
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The show has always been about Howard, what Howard thinks and wants. He was under a lot of constraints on terrestrial radio and it finally got to him. On Satellite, he can pretty much do what he wants. And like everyone, he has matured and changed as the world has.
I don't think he 'sold out' at all. He did American's Greatest Talent because he loves judging shows and he would talk about them all the time. But he hated the time it took and the travel and schmoozing etc. In that way, I don't think he has changed that much.
He's happier now. He loves his life with Beth and all the cats. I don't think the fact that he gets A-listers on means he has changed, I think they have. Or their perception of him has. A few stars did come on in the old days and spoke well of their experience, so maybe that made a difference. And his fans do support the people that come on the show. I wasn't thrilled when Paltrow came on, but I think it was a good interview.
Maybe I'm different because I never liked the Sal and Richard crap or the phony phone calls (except for the Korean Clock store, that's a classic). I just like when Howard talks about stuff and the news with Robin. I could do without Jeff the Drunk, but the lump is funny. I still listen and miss it when he's not on, which seems to be more and more.
That's like saying Iraq is safer now.....pretty low bar....and he's as insecure as ever. Go re watch his last appearance on Letterman
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Haven't listened to him lately (no satellite radio) but i am a fan of his for sure. Glad he's happy nowadays
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