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NFT: Artie Lange goes off on Howard Stern again

Anakim : 10/21/2016 10:32 am
Artie said Howard has lost his damn mind


I can see both sides of the argument. Howard has evolved and gotten older and more mature, but I do miss the old Howard. The show isn't as good anymore. All this PC bullshit has made his show a watered down version of what it once was.
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Sort of amazed  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2016 10:35 am : link
Artie is still alive. If I was in a deadpool 20 years ago, his name would have been one I'd considered selecting.

sort of unrelated, but I do agree with your post. I can see both sides.
This article actually sums everything up  
jv : 10/21/2016 10:35 am : link
from the podcast real well.
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You say "PC",  
Randy in CT : 10/21/2016 10:39 am : link
I say evolving as a human.
Ugh  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 10:40 am : link
Forgot my fucking headphones at home.

Thank for posting, Anak. Can't wait to hear this.
Wednesday's Ronnie vs Brent fight  
jv : 10/21/2016 10:41 am : link
was real weird. Ronnie kept eluding to how he tried to put everything through the proper channels of asking Marci Turk but couldn't say that exactly because apparently Howard doesn't want her brought up on the radio show.
Artie Lange  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/21/2016 10:43 am : link
is a disgusting mess who can't even put a good set together anymore. I saw him over the winter at the Comedy Cellar. He was supposed to be the closer but the club was smart enough to realize how terrible he was and so they had someone else close. It was one of the worst sets I've ever seen.
Howard hasn't evolved  
bigbb : 10/21/2016 10:45 am : link
He basically joined the cult and has been a joke for years. The biggest hypocrite of them all
A few points  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 10:47 am : link
points (I say this as a huge Stern fan/every day listener)

1) Artie is largely correct in his observations. The show is not the same show he grew up with and it is more celebrity based. I never personally was all that crazy about the porn star, stripper, sybian stuff. I'm the opposite of a prude it just bored me. I will say the very recent (last 3-4 years) move to have less back office stuff HAS turned me off a bit.

2) Artie should shut his mouth. I'm not above criticizing the show/Howard at all but in all honesty Artie Lange (despite being hilarious on the show) owes a whole lot more to Howard/the show than the reverse. He was a Z list celebrity on a B list skit show. That's not to say Artie isn't/wasn't funny but without the show Artie is barely known, let's get real.

Personally I would love to see Howard go after Opie and Artie (Opie is pretty great at attaching himself to funny/talented people. Anthony pre-outing himself as a total racist nutjob was actually talented/funny and Jim Norton is hilarious... would have been great replacing Artie had they opted to do that when Artie "left". Opie sucks but angry Howard going to war with these 2 would be fun... doubt it would ever happen though... different show... + doubt he would want to deal with whatever may come with Artie and his illness.
Supposedly  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 10:48 am : link
John Hein is disliked by much of the staff (doesn't come across that way on the air) and was briefly suspended for allowing a conversation to take place on the wrap up show that angered Howard. Steve Brandano supposedly is dating Howard's rumored Svengali Marci Turk.
RE: You say  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 10:49 am : link
In comment 13183647 Randy in CT said:
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I say evolving as a human.


I really am fascinated by what Howard Stern was and what he's become and I don't judge him for it... yet at the same time, I understand Artie's resentment at Howard distancing himself from the ideas and the comedy that made them great together.

We live in a weird time with PC culture. I think Howard had to adjust his image at least a little bit. He had to tone it down, because who the hell wants to be on the wrong side of PC history? The thing I dislike about the way he's done it (and again, that is not to say I disagree with him doing it) is he hasn't really owned it. He's sort of adapted and changed and acted as if no one would notice. I wish he'd have a segment where he'd flat out say that he had to change, we live in a fucking stupid, sensitive world and the only way to survive was to adapt. Just some brutal honesty. That's when Howard's at his best, and it would be real and I'd sympathize way more.

Maybe he has done this? If he has, it hasn't made its way to me yet.
RE: Artie Lange  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 10:52 am : link
In comment 13183654 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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is a disgusting mess who can't even put a good set together anymore. I saw him over the winter at the Comedy Cellar. He was supposed to be the closer but the club was smart enough to realize how terrible he was and so they had someone else close. It was one of the worst sets I've ever seen.


Artie has one comedy special which is actually very funny. I met Artie years ago at Peculiar Pub along with Kamal from the Jerky Boys and they were very nice I have to say.
It's fairly apparent  
jv : 10/21/2016 10:52 am : link
that Jason Kaplan is NOT a John Hein fan. I frankly can't stand the guy on the Wrap up Show and I dislike what the Wrap Up Show has become. It used to be entertaining having all the backroom guys talk about the show. Now it's some D-List "Celebrity" Superfan talking about the show.
Howard is 62 years old  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/21/2016 10:54 am : link
and has been in the business a long time. People change over time as they get older. Howard enjoys what he is doing now, and the more insightful Howard often yields fantastic interviews (Billy Joel, Lady Gaga).

Artie is a lazy slob who never grew up and is like the one old single guy mad at all his friends for getting married and having kids and not having the same bachelor lifestyle.
The whole Marci Turk thing  
jv : 10/21/2016 10:55 am : link
really is bizarre. Howard reads her book about getting stuff done. (I remember him talking about it on air) He likes the book a lot. He contacts her and she talks him into commiting to doing the things he wants to do. She teaches him how to unsubscribe from e-mails. Somehow she becomes the COO of his show.
RE: Howard is 62 years old  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 13183673 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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and has been in the business a long time. People change over time as they get older. Howard enjoys what he is doing now, and the more insightful Howard often yields fantastic interviews (Billy Joel, Lady Gaga).

Artie is a lazy slob who never grew up and is like the one old single guy mad at all his friends for getting married and having kids and not having the same bachelor lifestyle.


lol, interesting you say that. When at work, I sometimes listen to old Howard stuff from what I consider their best days (mid-late 2000s, just after moving over to Sirius), and two days ago I was listening to a bit where Sal was getting shit for critiquing Howard getting married.

And Artie was lecturing him how Sal shouldn't want to be "that guy."

Would be funny if Artie is indeed that guy.
More money than he would ever need.  
Beezer : 10/21/2016 10:57 am : link

Incredible fashion model wife who ever HE probably STILL doesn't believe he gets to wake up with daily.

Bigger worldwide fame than he ever dreamed might be possible.

=

Comfort

=

No more edge.

It's hardly the new math.
Artie  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 10:57 am : link
clearly wants to be the co-host on Opie's show (I'm actually sort of surprised Howard hasn't banned him from the building given how petty he can be). The show is better when there is another "jerK" whether it's Artie, Gilbert (also supposedly banned) or Kimmel but what can you do?
RE: You say  
steve in ky : 10/21/2016 10:57 am : link
In comment 13183647 Randy in CT said:
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I say evolving as a human.



Yes but it also kind of seems like Howard's was willing to give Beth the type of husband Alison wanted.

Of course this is just an opinion but it always seems like Howard evolved and changed more out of respect for his second wife than any personally journey.

Now of course people split of for many reasons and I'm not saying he and his first wife wouldn't have split anyway regardless of any behaviour change.
I wouldn't want to associate with Artie either.  
Motley Two : 10/21/2016 10:57 am : link
That level of self pity is just annoying to be around. Either you get pissed off and let down by those types, or you end up enabling them. No win situation.
some of Howard's act is a little odd or out of character  
djm : 10/21/2016 11:00 am : link
but I like the new Howard. The constant railing against his competition or people in show biz got a little old for my liking. I prefer the self loathing or when Howard talks like his parents. And he still crushes everyone in his environment when needed so it's all good.

More wack packers. Please.
RE: More money than he would ever need.  
Motley Two : 10/21/2016 11:01 am : link
In comment 13183684 Beezer said:
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Incredible fashion model wife who ever HE probably STILL doesn't believe he gets to wake up with daily.

Bigger worldwide fame than he ever dreamed might be possible.

=

Comfort

=

No more edge.

It's hardly the new math.



Wait, are we talking about Aaron Rodgers again?
Not to sound too much like a "get off my lawn" guy,  
Beezer : 10/21/2016 11:01 am : link
but listening to Stern on K-Rock in the summertime, mid-80s, while working in a gym in Bay Shore, was some of the best memories personally, and I think for the show. He was "limited" but the edge was there, always pushing the envelope. No one could come close. When he went the uncensored route, I realize his popularity exploded, but I couldn't get too terribly excited about it.

I've never thought Artie Lange was more than just occasionally funny an d he's always been kind of a douche.
Howard Stern lost it the moment he left his first wife  
chiro56 : 10/21/2016 11:02 am : link
When he was miserable , he was creative and funny. As far as PC being evolved, I would argue it's another term for consensus thinking equating to truth and the lose of free speech and expression of individual thought.
Show  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:03 am : link
is way more interesting when they have less guests. I mean I like guys like Rogen on the show but how many times can you have these guys on in such a short period of time? Hit em with the HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIN
Ha. Aaron Rodgers,  
Beezer : 10/21/2016 11:05 am : link
Howard Stern.

Same deal!





I  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:05 am : link
can only speak for myself but maybe when I was younger I would call someone a "retard" or use "gay" as a bad word but then you grow up. All of the wack pack stuff is really a weird thin line for me anyway. I can in one moment laugh at something ridiculous Beetlejuice says and the next feel like Underdog screaming about her seatbelt being mean.
RE: Not to sound too much like a  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 11:05 am : link
In comment 13183700 Beezer said:
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but listening to Stern on K-Rock in the summertime, mid-80s, while working in a gym in Bay Shore, was some of the best memories personally, and I think for the show. He was "limited" but the edge was there, always pushing the envelope. No one could come close. When he went the uncensored route, I realize his popularity exploded, but I couldn't get too terribly excited about it.

I've never thought Artie Lange was more than just occasionally funny an d he's always been kind of a douche.


This is a great post and I think a perfect showcasing of what Stern is missing these days. He doesn't need to be crass. It was never specifically the curse words that were the problem. It was the way he'd push people's buttons and wasn't afraid to be real. His new says is a product of the times unfortunately and many comedians struggle with navigating the new landscape.
Think  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:08 am : link
about it...in Stern's "prime" we had A list comedians like Andrew Dice Clay, Eddie Murphy, Kinison etc. Nowadays who is the big name comedian willing to be raunchy like that? The biggest comedians are all either very safe or edgy in a different way.
Beth  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:08 am : link
is obviously attractive but I honestly don't find her to be that hot.
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schabadoo : 10/21/2016 11:09 am : link
In comment 13183688 steve in ky said:
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In comment 13183647 Randy in CT said:


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I say evolving as a human.




Yes but it also kind of seems like Howard's was willing to give Beth the type of husband Alison wanted.

Of course this is just an opinion but it always seems like Howard evolved and changed more out of respect for his second wife than any personally journey.

Now of course people split of for many reasons and I'm not saying he and his first wife wouldn't have split anyway regardless of any behaviour change.


He wouldn't do anything to keep Allison it seemed, even though he made the silly movie and wrote books about them sticking together no matter what.

Now he's turned into Imus with his young wife dining at Nobu sucking up to celebrities, basically becoming everything he hated.

RE: Beth  
schabadoo : 10/21/2016 11:11 am : link
In comment 13183718 DanMetroMan said:
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is obviously attractive but I honestly don't find her to be that hot.


She never had much work as a model pre-Stern. Fred would probably call her a model wannabee back then.
RE: Think  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 11:15 am : link
In comment 13183717 DanMetroMan said:
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about it...in Stern's "prime" we had A list comedians like Andrew Dice Clay, Eddie Murphy, Kinison etc. Nowadays who is the big name comedian willing to be raunchy like that? The biggest comedians are all either very safe or edgy in a different way.


This will sound very egocentric, but there is a big part of me that thinks my childhood/teenage years (90s/2000s) was a golden period when it comes to reasonable limitations on comedy.

Comedians were generally tolerant (I hate that word because it implies "tolerating" something), but you know what I mean. They were accepting of all types of people. But at the same time, they were willing to acknowledge differences in the way certain types of people act. Black people had their quirks. White people, too. Gay, straight, male, female, etc. It wasn't a hate crime to acknowledge people are different, and it was OK to have a laugh at it.

Then "microaggressions" came along and it all went to shit.
RE: Beth  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/21/2016 11:22 am : link
In comment 13183718 DanMetroMan said:
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is obviously attractive but I honestly don't find her to be that hot.


He could've done way, way better. Angie Everhart for Christ's sake!
RE: Beth  
jv : 10/21/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 13183718 DanMetroMan said:
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is obviously attractive but I honestly don't find her to be that hot.


I laughed the other day when post interview he called Sarah Jessica Parker hot. Her and his wife share some facial features that Sal caught some shit for talking about in the past.
RE: RE: Beth  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13183738 jv said:
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In comment 13183718 DanMetroMan said:


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is obviously attractive but I honestly don't find her to be that hot.



I laughed the other day when post interview he called Sarah Jessica Parker hot. Her and his wife share some facial features that Sal caught some shit for talking about in the past.


Yeah a lot of people mentioned the connection on the stern fb fanpage. I mean I'm not going to be one of those guys who claims she's unattractive (his wife) but he talks about her like she's a supermodel.
RE: RE: RE: You say  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13183719 schabadoo said:
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Now he's turned into Imus with his young wife dining at Nobu sucking up to celebrities, basically becoming everything he hated.




It's not that he's a kinder gentler Howard that bugs me so much. He's 62 years old now and most people mellow with age. I enjoyed the crass old show more, but whatever. What sucks is the way he's become a kissass. He used to rightly rip celebrity culture to shreds, but now he's exactly the kind of celebrity asshole he used to mock.
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:28 am : link
like even Sal and Richard are being phased out. Most of the prank calls are now coming from that guy Chris Wilding and the Mole/toupee etc gets way more air time than either way (Richard is basically off the show).
and the funny thing is that I don't even actually like Artie  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 11:31 am : link
But I think he's dead on with this. His comment about Gwyneth Paltrow and her $200 green drink pretty much sums it up neatly for me.
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jv : 10/21/2016 11:31 am : link
In comment 13183742 Greg from LI said:
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It's not that he's a kinder gentler Howard that bugs me so much. He's 62 years old now and most people mellow with age. I enjoyed the crass old show more, but whatever. What sucks is the way he's become a kissass. He used to rightly rip celebrity culture to shreds, but now he's exactly the kind of celebrity asshole he used to mock.


Yup. Artie used the perfect example in his podcast too. Never in a million years did I think Gwyneth Paltrow would be a guest on the Howard Stern Show.
hah!  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 11:33 am : link
We park our cars in the same garage.
RE: You say  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/21/2016 11:35 am : link
In comment 13183647 Randy in CT said:
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I say evolving as a human.


He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.

Yes he's evolved into a total sellout
RE: RE: You say  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 11:42 am : link
In comment 13183756 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 13183647 Randy in CT said:


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I say evolving as a human.



He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.

Yes he's evolved into a total sellout


This is dumb. He's not a sellout. It's a different world. If we still lived in 1995, I'm sure he'd still be saying the same things (admittedly with less intensity as age mellows a man out).

If he said the type of shit he said back then... or even as recently as 10-15 years ago, his show would not be on the air. Plain and simple. Could he be doing it better? I already said above, yes he could.

Look at Imus. I don't think Howard wants to go the same route. That doesn't make him a sell out.
you're missing the point, Fekker  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 11:47 am : link
It's not the change in the specific language he uses that has turned a lot of old fans against him, it's the tone. He's two steps removed from an E! show, fawning over the A-listers he used to make fun of. That was back when he was on the outside of that world, though. Now, he's in the club and he wants them to like him.

He could still make fun of them without getting FCC violations every half hour the way he did in 1995.
RE: I  
Stu11 : 10/21/2016 11:48 am : link
In comment 13183711 DanMetroMan said:
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can only speak for myself but maybe when I was younger I would call someone a "retard" or use "gay" as a bad word but then you grow up. All of the wack pack stuff is really a weird thin line for me anyway. I can in one moment laugh at something ridiculous Beetlejuice says and the next feel like Underdog screaming about her seatbelt being mean.

Dan after listening to him from his NBC afternoon days up till about 5 years ago I have to say the "Wack Pack" stuff is was put me over the edge with him. I grew up. I work as an OT in special ed with severely disabled/cognitively challenged children and have worked with TBI and patients with mental illness. I simply decided that it is not funny to take advantage and make fun of individuals who are either mentally/cognitively challenged or severely mentally ill. He thinks he's giving them all kinds of opportunities and their moment of fame. However really all it consists of is making fun of them in a juvenile fashion. One day I woke up in my 40's and realized I couldn't condone or find that aspect funny any more. Call me lame or whatever. I have a juvenile sense of humor at times, like any other guy but I just couldn't reconcile that aspect any more. It's personal. More power to those who still enjoy him. Everyone has different taste.
Ha! Stern is hailed as a feminist in a NY Times article  
SomeFan : 10/21/2016 11:49 am : link
I would say he has degraded women more than any other celebrity, well maybe there are 1 or 2 as bad. Yet because of his support of the left, he gets hailed as a feminist?
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DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 11:54 am : link
In comment 13183773 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13183711 DanMetroMan said:


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can only speak for myself but maybe when I was younger I would call someone a "retard" or use "gay" as a bad word but then you grow up. All of the wack pack stuff is really a weird thin line for me anyway. I can in one moment laugh at something ridiculous Beetlejuice says and the next feel like Underdog screaming about her seatbelt being mean.


Dan after listening to him from his NBC afternoon days up till about 5 years ago I have to say the "Wack Pack" stuff is was put me over the edge with him. I grew up. I work as an OT in special ed with severely disabled/cognitively challenged children and have worked with TBI and patients with mental illness. I simply decided that it is not funny to take advantage and make fun of individuals who are either mentally/cognitively challenged or severely mentally ill. He thinks he's giving them all kinds of opportunities and their moment of fame. However really all it consists of is making fun of them in a juvenile fashion. One day I woke up in my 40's and realized I couldn't condone or find that aspect funny any more. Call me lame or whatever. I have a juvenile sense of humor at times, like any other guy but I just couldn't reconcile that aspect any more. It's personal. More power to those who still enjoy him. Everyone has different taste.


I like some crazy shit, I'm not at all into PC etc but yeah at some point I started feeling a little weird about the wack pack stuff in particular Gary "The Retard", Underdog and Wendy. High Pitch Erik is smart enough to know what's going on... in fact I think he's partially an act or an act that turned into something real. Go watch his first appearance he comes off as "normal". I friended him on FB and he's consistently hitting me up for things (not that I'd give him anything).
it's Gary the Conqueror  
djm : 10/21/2016 12:14 pm : link
which makes it ok.
honestly  
djm : 10/21/2016 12:15 pm : link
Gary and Wendy never did it for me really. I can't get enough of Big Foot and Medicated Pete.
I started listening to Stern when he first began in WCC Hartford  
steve in ky : 10/21/2016 12:27 pm : link
I think it was late 78 or early 79. Was a big fan for many years. I never liked the Wack Pack direction for the show and haven't really listened to him regulatory in years.
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LauderdaleMatty : 10/21/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13183767 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I say evolving as a human.



He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.

Yes he's evolved into a total sellout



This is dumb. He's not a sellout. It's a different world. If we still lived in 1995, I'm sure he'd still be saying the same things (admittedly with less intensity as age mellows a man out).

If he said the type of shit he said back then... or even as recently as 10-15 years ago, his show would not be on the air. Plain and simple. Could he be doing it better? I already said above, yes he could.

Look at Imus. I don't think Howard wants to go the same route. That doesn't make him a sell out.


Please. U are utterly and totally clueless to who Howard' was. U were most likely floating in your dad's nut sack when I started listening to him. Seriously. How old are u? And. He stared on radio and his wars w the "suits". How he disdained sellouts. How he used to rail on people "jumping the shark". He used to do while segments on it.

He has every right to do and be who he wants. But he's a sellout and a hypocrit. What's fu by is how people justify it by him "Maturing". He could have toned down his act without being a sellout but he didn't. He became exactly the type of a lister he constantly goofed. On. Just because you did t exist when he acted like that doesn't mean he didn't do it.

And for a specific example he used to play Marky Mark interviews the make fun of Mark Walberg. Can we go back to the "Pog Vomit" days.

Nothing irks me more than hypocrisy. He's the living embodiment of it
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