Artie said Howard has lost his damn mind
I can see both sides of the argument. Howard has evolved and gotten older and more mature, but I do miss the old Howard. The show isn't as good anymore. All this PC bullshit has made his show a watered down version of what it once was.
Link - (
New Window )
sort of unrelated, but I do agree with your post. I can see both sides.
Daily Mail - ( New Window )
Thank for posting, Anak. Can't wait to hear this.
1) Artie is largely correct in his observations. The show is not the same show he grew up with and it is more celebrity based. I never personally was all that crazy about the porn star, stripper, sybian stuff. I'm the opposite of a prude it just bored me. I will say the very recent (last 3-4 years) move to have less back office stuff HAS turned me off a bit.
2) Artie should shut his mouth. I'm not above criticizing the show/Howard at all but in all honesty Artie Lange (despite being hilarious on the show) owes a whole lot more to Howard/the show than the reverse. He was a Z list celebrity on a B list skit show. That's not to say Artie isn't/wasn't funny but without the show Artie is barely known, let's get real.
Personally I would love to see Howard go after Opie and Artie (Opie is pretty great at attaching himself to funny/talented people. Anthony pre-outing himself as a total racist nutjob was actually talented/funny and Jim Norton is hilarious... would have been great replacing Artie had they opted to do that when Artie "left". Opie sucks but angry Howard going to war with these 2 would be fun... doubt it would ever happen though... different show... + doubt he would want to deal with whatever may come with Artie and his illness.
I really am fascinated by what Howard Stern was and what he's become and I don't judge him for it... yet at the same time, I understand Artie's resentment at Howard distancing himself from the ideas and the comedy that made them great together.
We live in a weird time with PC culture. I think Howard had to adjust his image at least a little bit. He had to tone it down, because who the hell wants to be on the wrong side of PC history? The thing I dislike about the way he's done it (and again, that is not to say I disagree with him doing it) is he hasn't really owned it. He's sort of adapted and changed and acted as if no one would notice. I wish he'd have a segment where he'd flat out say that he had to change, we live in a fucking stupid, sensitive world and the only way to survive was to adapt. Just some brutal honesty. That's when Howard's at his best, and it would be real and I'd sympathize way more.
Maybe he has done this? If he has, it hasn't made its way to me yet.
Artie has one comedy special which is actually very funny. I met Artie years ago at Peculiar Pub along with Kamal from the Jerky Boys and they were very nice I have to say.
Artie is a lazy slob who never grew up and is like the one old single guy mad at all his friends for getting married and having kids and not having the same bachelor lifestyle.
Artie is a lazy slob who never grew up and is like the one old single guy mad at all his friends for getting married and having kids and not having the same bachelor lifestyle.
lol, interesting you say that. When at work, I sometimes listen to old Howard stuff from what I consider their best days (mid-late 2000s, just after moving over to Sirius), and two days ago I was listening to a bit where Sal was getting shit for critiquing Howard getting married.
And Artie was lecturing him how Sal shouldn't want to be "that guy."
Would be funny if Artie is indeed that guy.
Incredible fashion model wife who ever HE probably STILL doesn't believe he gets to wake up with daily.
Bigger worldwide fame than he ever dreamed might be possible.
=
Comfort
=
No more edge.
It's hardly the new math.
Yes but it also kind of seems like Howard's was willing to give Beth the type of husband Alison wanted.
Of course this is just an opinion but it always seems like Howard evolved and changed more out of respect for his second wife than any personally journey.
Now of course people split of for many reasons and I'm not saying he and his first wife wouldn't have split anyway regardless of any behaviour change.
More wack packers. Please.
Incredible fashion model wife who ever HE probably STILL doesn't believe he gets to wake up with daily.
Bigger worldwide fame than he ever dreamed might be possible.
=
Comfort
=
No more edge.
It's hardly the new math.
Wait, are we talking about Aaron Rodgers again?
I've never thought Artie Lange was more than just occasionally funny an d he's always been kind of a douche.
Same deal!
I've never thought Artie Lange was more than just occasionally funny an d he's always been kind of a douche.
This is a great post and I think a perfect showcasing of what Stern is missing these days. He doesn't need to be crass. It was never specifically the curse words that were the problem. It was the way he'd push people's buttons and wasn't afraid to be real. His new says is a product of the times unfortunately and many comedians struggle with navigating the new landscape.
Quote:
I say evolving as a human.
Yes but it also kind of seems like Howard's was willing to give Beth the type of husband Alison wanted.
Of course this is just an opinion but it always seems like Howard evolved and changed more out of respect for his second wife than any personally journey.
Now of course people split of for many reasons and I'm not saying he and his first wife wouldn't have split anyway regardless of any behaviour change.
He wouldn't do anything to keep Allison it seemed, even though he made the silly movie and wrote books about them sticking together no matter what.
Now he's turned into Imus with his young wife dining at Nobu sucking up to celebrities, basically becoming everything he hated.
She never had much work as a model pre-Stern. Fred would probably call her a model wannabee back then.
This will sound very egocentric, but there is a big part of me that thinks my childhood/teenage years (90s/2000s) was a golden period when it comes to reasonable limitations on comedy.
Comedians were generally tolerant (I hate that word because it implies "tolerating" something), but you know what I mean. They were accepting of all types of people. But at the same time, they were willing to acknowledge differences in the way certain types of people act. Black people had their quirks. White people, too. Gay, straight, male, female, etc. It wasn't a hate crime to acknowledge people are different, and it was OK to have a laugh at it.
Then "microaggressions" came along and it all went to shit.
He could've done way, way better. Angie Everhart for Christ's sake!
I laughed the other day when post interview he called Sarah Jessica Parker hot. Her and his wife share some facial features that Sal caught some shit for talking about in the past.
Quote:
is obviously attractive but I honestly don't find her to be that hot.
I laughed the other day when post interview he called Sarah Jessica Parker hot. Her and his wife share some facial features that Sal caught some shit for talking about in the past.
Yeah a lot of people mentioned the connection on the stern fb fanpage. I mean I'm not going to be one of those guys who claims she's unattractive (his wife) but he talks about her like she's a supermodel.
It's not that he's a kinder gentler Howard that bugs me so much. He's 62 years old now and most people mellow with age. I enjoyed the crass old show more, but whatever. What sucks is the way he's become a kissass. He used to rightly rip celebrity culture to shreds, but now he's exactly the kind of celebrity asshole he used to mock.
It's not that he's a kinder gentler Howard that bugs me so much. He's 62 years old now and most people mellow with age. I enjoyed the crass old show more, but whatever. What sucks is the way he's become a kissass. He used to rightly rip celebrity culture to shreds, but now he's exactly the kind of celebrity asshole he used to mock.
Yup. Artie used the perfect example in his podcast too. Never in a million years did I think Gwyneth Paltrow would be a guest on the Howard Stern Show.
He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.
Yes he's evolved into a total sellout
Quote:
I say evolving as a human.
He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.
Yes he's evolved into a total sellout
This is dumb. He's not a sellout. It's a different world. If we still lived in 1995, I'm sure he'd still be saying the same things (admittedly with less intensity as age mellows a man out).
If he said the type of shit he said back then... or even as recently as 10-15 years ago, his show would not be on the air. Plain and simple. Could he be doing it better? I already said above, yes he could.
Look at Imus. I don't think Howard wants to go the same route. That doesn't make him a sell out.
He could still make fun of them without getting FCC violations every half hour the way he did in 1995.
Dan after listening to him from his NBC afternoon days up till about 5 years ago I have to say the "Wack Pack" stuff is was put me over the edge with him. I grew up. I work as an OT in special ed with severely disabled/cognitively challenged children and have worked with TBI and patients with mental illness. I simply decided that it is not funny to take advantage and make fun of individuals who are either mentally/cognitively challenged or severely mentally ill. He thinks he's giving them all kinds of opportunities and their moment of fame. However really all it consists of is making fun of them in a juvenile fashion. One day I woke up in my 40's and realized I couldn't condone or find that aspect funny any more. Call me lame or whatever. I have a juvenile sense of humor at times, like any other guy but I just couldn't reconcile that aspect any more. It's personal. More power to those who still enjoy him. Everyone has different taste.
Quote:
can only speak for myself but maybe when I was younger I would call someone a "retard" or use "gay" as a bad word but then you grow up. All of the wack pack stuff is really a weird thin line for me anyway. I can in one moment laugh at something ridiculous Beetlejuice says and the next feel like Underdog screaming about her seatbelt being mean.
Dan after listening to him from his NBC afternoon days up till about 5 years ago I have to say the "Wack Pack" stuff is was put me over the edge with him. I grew up. I work as an OT in special ed with severely disabled/cognitively challenged children and have worked with TBI and patients with mental illness. I simply decided that it is not funny to take advantage and make fun of individuals who are either mentally/cognitively challenged or severely mentally ill. He thinks he's giving them all kinds of opportunities and their moment of fame. However really all it consists of is making fun of them in a juvenile fashion. One day I woke up in my 40's and realized I couldn't condone or find that aspect funny any more. Call me lame or whatever. I have a juvenile sense of humor at times, like any other guy but I just couldn't reconcile that aspect any more. It's personal. More power to those who still enjoy him. Everyone has different taste.
I like some crazy shit, I'm not at all into PC etc but yeah at some point I started feeling a little weird about the wack pack stuff in particular Gary "The Retard", Underdog and Wendy. High Pitch Erik is smart enough to know what's going on... in fact I think he's partially an act or an act that turned into something real. Go watch his first appearance he comes off as "normal". I friended him on FB and he's consistently hitting me up for things (not that I'd give him anything).
Quote:
In comment 13183647 Randy in CT said:
Quote:
I say evolving as a human.
He's a hypocrit. Always was. He's everything that he said he hated. He evolved into a sell out. He doesn't and has t needed the money so his "evolution" shows him to be a dick. And like most who have self worth issues he craves the approval of those he reportedly detested.
Yes he's evolved into a total sellout
This is dumb. He's not a sellout. It's a different world. If we still lived in 1995, I'm sure he'd still be saying the same things (admittedly with less intensity as age mellows a man out).
If he said the type of shit he said back then... or even as recently as 10-15 years ago, his show would not be on the air. Plain and simple. Could he be doing it better? I already said above, yes he could.
Look at Imus. I don't think Howard wants to go the same route. That doesn't make him a sell out.
Please. U are utterly and totally clueless to who Howard' was. U were most likely floating in your dad's nut sack when I started listening to him. Seriously. How old are u? And. He stared on radio and his wars w the "suits". How he disdained sellouts. How he used to rail on people "jumping the shark". He used to do while segments on it.
He has every right to do and be who he wants. But he's a sellout and a hypocrit. What's fu by is how people justify it by him "Maturing". He could have toned down his act without being a sellout but he didn't. He became exactly the type of a lister he constantly goofed. On. Just because you did t exist when he acted like that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
And for a specific example he used to play Marky Mark interviews the make fun of Mark Walberg. Can we go back to the "Pog Vomit" days.
Nothing irks me more than hypocrisy. He's the living embodiment of it