add in the "hat trick" of having to play in London, the Josh Brown mess (off the field) and having a walk on kicker fly out at the last minute makes this that much more challenging.
RE: the Giants are at best a .500 team. every game is a struggle.
add in the "hat trick" of having to play in London, the Josh Brown mess (off the field) and having a walk on kicker fly out at the last minute makes this that much more challenging.
nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
if they want to get production out of Beckham, they will probably need to move him around, put him in motion, use some more bunch formations and spread formations, run more combo routes with another receiver (crossing, picks, one inside one outside, one short one deep, etc.) and some double moves. I don't think they should ignore him due to double and triple teams. They do, however, need to be patient. They may need to get him some quick, short passes early and settle for the 5 yard gains. But, that can set up the double moves later, or fakes to him to clear a spot for another receiver.
nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
I have been saying the same since before he was brought back. Outside of a season and a half of absolute dominant DL play by a great DL, Spags has coached mediocre to downright terrible defenses. His schemes, coverages, blitzes, etc. seem to be very reliant on the DL winning straight up. His blitzes are telegraphed almost all the time and more often than not they fail. Outside of flipping Vernon and JPP, he hasn't really done anything to change things up on a DL that isn't getting to the QB. I don't know where the stat about JPP and Vernon leading in hurries came from the other day. They aren't getting consistent pressure at all and quite frankly, they aren't making any QBs uncomfortable in the pocket.
This year, the D has done a good job avoiding a lot of big plays and have held offenses to decent point totals. But, I happen to think the lack of sacks and turnovers are more closely related to Spags than anything else.
is getting better and better as the year goes on and when they get Apple and Thompson back they should be even better.I also think that the goaline stand counts for alot last sunday and possibly be the catalyst that changes their season just like it did in 2011....also on a side note i dont know if its because of that number 58 but OO looks like a linebacker to me......
agree Matt M. Unless he has Strahan, Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Cofield
2008 defense had Tuck and Kiwi on his DL (Kiwi was never a great DL, but solid in his own right), mediocre players at LB, and James Butler and Michael Johnson as the starting Safeties.
Is that such a huge influx in talent? That defense was amazing. What held it back was the lack of depth on the DL including both DT's being hurt.
Dont let Gurley get going make Keenum beat them .
Pass protection Eli has to have some time in the pocket the
run game at some point had to improve .
Turnovers I think is the only way we can blow this game .
I think this team will be focused on getting to the bye
at 4-3 . What should have been 5-2 they screwed themselves
by letting the Skins comeback in there own backyard .
When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
If Spags isn't brought back, then the entire defense is starting over with a new DC. We might be 0-5 right now, just due to the entire defense learning a new scheme.
When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
If Spags isn't brought back, then the entire defense is starting over with a new DC. We might be 0-5 right now, just due to the entire defense learning a new scheme.
When you fire the coach, you fire the whole staff and let the new HC pick his assistants.
nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
Getting a big lead early would help the sack (and potentially turnover) numbers. Not sure this is the game they break out though. I could see it being against the Eagles though with their OL issues and JPP/Vernon getting to heal up a little over the bye.
RE: RE: agree Matt M. Unless he has Strahan, Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Cofield
2008 defense had Tuck and Kiwi on his DL (Kiwi was never a great DL, but solid in his own right), mediocre players at LB, and James Butler and Michael Johnson as the starting Safeties.
Is that such a huge influx in talent? That defense was amazing. What held it back was the lack of depth on the DL including both DT's being hurt.
2008 was the best D he had and it was due to a dominant DL. 2007 he had a dominant DL for about half the season plus the playoffs, and that is when they played well.
I don't care if it's pretty, ugly, or somewhere in between
Win the fucking game. Get to 4-3. Hope the Vikings beat Philly to stay perfect and the Lions beat the Redskins. Rest up/regroup for 2nd half and prepare to beat the fucking Eagles in 2 weeks. Losing that game is not an option.
because they don't want to lose footing on a messy rugby field. I can't believe the NFL, the multi-billion dollar industry, is even considering playing this game on a rugby field. Anyway, we have to tackle well in this game and stop the run. Getting some turnovers on defense would also be a big help. We have to be the more physical team. Let's hope we've gotten over Jet Lag by Sunday.
This is a game that we have to win. Conference game may have Wild Card implications down the road. Additionally, it will keep us in contention in our Division.
because they don't want to lose footing on a messy rugby field. I can't believe the NFL, the multi-billion dollar industry, is even considering playing this game on a rugby field. Anyway, we have to tackle well in this game and stop the run. Getting some turnovers on defense would also be a big help. We have to be the more physical team. Let's hope we've gotten over Jet Lag by Sunday.
This is a game that we have to win. Conference game may have Wild Card implications down the road. Additionally, it will keep us in contention in our Division.
I love the fact that the game is being played on a rugby field. The two sports need to be closer together than they already are.
Is this the first time the NFL is playing a game in this stadium?
RE: RE: Hopefully Skiba brought the long spikes......
because they don't want to lose footing on a messy rugby field. I can't believe the NFL, the multi-billion dollar industry, is even considering playing this game on a rugby field. Anyway, we have to tackle well in this game and stop the run. Getting some turnovers on defense would also be a big help. We have to be the more physical team. Let's hope we've gotten over Jet Lag by Sunday.
This is a game that we have to win. Conference game may have Wild Card implications down the road. Additionally, it will keep us in contention in our Division.
I love the fact that the game is being played on a rugby field. The two sports need to be closer together than they already are.
Is this the first time the NFL is playing a game in this stadium?
I believe it is......I did hear that it may actually be a better field then the soccer field they played on at Wembley before however; we'll see.
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I have been saying the same since before he was brought back. Outside of a season and a half of absolute dominant DL play by a great DL, Spags has coached mediocre to downright terrible defenses. His schemes, coverages, blitzes, etc. seem to be very reliant on the DL winning straight up. His blitzes are telegraphed almost all the time and more often than not they fail. Outside of flipping Vernon and JPP, he hasn't really done anything to change things up on a DL that isn't getting to the QB. I don't know where the stat about JPP and Vernon leading in hurries came from the other day. They aren't getting consistent pressure at all and quite frankly, they aren't making any QBs uncomfortable in the pocket.
This year, the D has done a good job avoiding a lot of big plays and have held offenses to decent point totals. But, I happen to think the lack of sacks and turnovers are more closely related to Spags than anything else.
There's a dozen assumptions in there that may or may not be right that you don't have the slightest idea of.
"Spags has done nothing." You don't know that. He's had about ten new players to absorb into a cohesive unity...Harris, Vernon, Robinson, Kennard (effectively), Apple, Janoris, Shepard, Thompson that's no small task and it always projected a defense that would come on.
When you don't like a guy his successes are on the talent. Well Spags did something superb with that talent, he was innovative in a sport where most everything has been tried and he came up with the Four Aces package. Maybe the lineman you think were so great were made great by Spag's innovativeness.
Fact is, all co ordinators are subject the grinding hinsight that no knowing fans have a need to project on them. If a play doesn't work...it was the wrong play. The fans need to temporarily feel superior is one of the things that drives the sport's popularity.
The defense is playing better, but we all know its nothing special
as we still don't see enough pressure on QB, too many impact plays by offense in the middle of field and reserve players that don't hold up well for even a few snaps.
Spags has more talent for certain than last year but need to see more of the stuff above if it were me deciding whether he stays or goes next year...
Has done a solid job this year. The defense has performed well enough to be 6-0. The offense has been the problem.
For those saying Spags hasn't done anything without good players, take a look at 2009. The defense was a shitshow under Sheridan with essentially the same players as 08.
Quit being a Negative Nancy...
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
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nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
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nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
This year, the D has done a good job avoiding a lot of big plays and have held offenses to decent point totals. But, I happen to think the lack of sacks and turnovers are more closely related to Spags than anything else.
2008 defense had Tuck and Kiwi on his DL (Kiwi was never a great DL, but solid in his own right), mediocre players at LB, and James Butler and Michael Johnson as the starting Safeties.
Is that such a huge influx in talent? That defense was amazing. What held it back was the lack of depth on the DL including both DT's being hurt.
Pass protection Eli has to have some time in the pocket the
run game at some point had to improve .
Turnovers I think is the only way we can blow this game .
I think this team will be focused on getting to the bye
at 4-3 . What should have been 5-2 they screwed themselves
by letting the Skins comeback in there own backyard .
If Spags isn't brought back, then the entire defense is starting over with a new DC. We might be 0-5 right now, just due to the entire defense learning a new scheme.
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When does Spags finally take the hit? He should not have been brought back.
If Spags isn't brought back, then the entire defense is starting over with a new DC. We might be 0-5 right now, just due to the entire defense learning a new scheme.
When you fire the coach, you fire the whole staff and let the new HC pick his assistants.
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nice preview, as usual, however, the Giants haven't won the turnover battle all year, IIRC, and have won all three games where they came out on the losing end of that battle. I know that can come back to haunt them and I do hope that we finally get the turnovers on defense that we've been sorely lacking.
That's why I think they are due. They are due for a big sack game... a big turnover game. This defense has too much talent to have so few turnovers and sacks.
Getting a big lead early would help the sack (and potentially turnover) numbers. Not sure this is the game they break out though. I could see it being against the Eagles though with their OL issues and JPP/Vernon getting to heal up a little over the bye.
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on the attack he defenses suck.
2008 defense had Tuck and Kiwi on his DL (Kiwi was never a great DL, but solid in his own right), mediocre players at LB, and James Butler and Michael Johnson as the starting Safeties.
Is that such a huge influx in talent? That defense was amazing. What held it back was the lack of depth on the DL including both DT's being hurt.
This is a game that we have to win. Conference game may have Wild Card implications down the road. Additionally, it will keep us in contention in our Division.
This is a game that we have to win. Conference game may have Wild Card implications down the road. Additionally, it will keep us in contention in our Division.
I love the fact that the game is being played on a rugby field. The two sports need to be closer together than they already are.
Is this the first time the NFL is playing a game in this stadium?
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because they don't want to lose footing on a messy rugby field. I can't believe the NFL, the multi-billion dollar industry, is even considering playing this game on a rugby field. Anyway, we have to tackle well in this game and stop the run. Getting some turnovers on defense would also be a big help. We have to be the more physical team. Let's hope we've gotten over Jet Lag by Sunday.
This is a game that we have to win. Conference game may have Wild Card implications down the road. Additionally, it will keep us in contention in our Division.
I love the fact that the game is being played on a rugby field. The two sports need to be closer together than they already are.
Is this the first time the NFL is playing a game in this stadium?
I believe it is......I did hear that it may actually be a better field then the soccer field they played on at Wembley before however; we'll see.
This year, the D has done a good job avoiding a lot of big plays and have held offenses to decent point totals. But, I happen to think the lack of sacks and turnovers are more closely related to Spags than anything else.
There's a dozen assumptions in there that may or may not be right that you don't have the slightest idea of.
"Spags has done nothing." You don't know that. He's had about ten new players to absorb into a cohesive unity...Harris, Vernon, Robinson, Kennard (effectively), Apple, Janoris, Shepard, Thompson that's no small task and it always projected a defense that would come on.
When you don't like a guy his successes are on the talent. Well Spags did something superb with that talent, he was innovative in a sport where most everything has been tried and he came up with the Four Aces package. Maybe the lineman you think were so great were made great by Spag's innovativeness.
Fact is, all co ordinators are subject the grinding hinsight that no knowing fans have a need to project on them. If a play doesn't work...it was the wrong play. The fans need to temporarily feel superior is one of the things that drives the sport's popularity.
Spags has more talent for certain than last year but need to see more of the stuff above if it were me deciding whether he stays or goes next year...
If a play doesn't work...it was the wrong play. The fans need to temporarily feel superior is one of the things that drives the sport's popularity.
Kinda like when you share your salary cap delusions.
For those saying Spags hasn't done anything without good players, take a look at 2009. The defense was a shitshow under Sheridan with essentially the same players as 08.
Nice try.
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