but yeah, no idea why N'dour over Randle. He did practically nothing this preseason...especially with the good news of no surgery for Randle and only a month of recovery time.
He's as good as gone, no way some other team doesn't grab him, if not he'll probably go back to Europe. Stupid injury, he was really flashing those first couple games.
Meh. I like Ben Bentil more than N'Dour personally
And Plumlee is basically a younger version of Amundsen
I knew Pumlee was going to make it. The coaching staff and MSG guys have been talking him up in almost every pre-season game I watched so far. They avoided using high motor though. lol. I think he could developed into a good defensive rotation center. He isn't agile as his brother but it looks like he works hard at improving.
Happy for N'Dour and Baker. Sad about Randle though. Thought Baker and Randle really earned a spot and rotation minutes.
ranked him the third best PG in NY so unless you think Lin and Jennings are studs its safe to say he thinks Rose has ceased being an NBA starting PG/star.
Kevin 'Al' Pelton is a sportswriter who writes for ESPN.com and has previously written for BasketballProspectus.com, 82games.com, Hoopsworld.com and SI.com. Pelton formerly covered the Seattle Storm and Seattle SuperSonics for their respective websites. However, after the SuperSonics' departure from Seattle, he has "adopted" the Portland Trail Blazers in his coverage.[9] He has worked to acquaint mainstream basketball fans with statistical analysis. He moderated the APBRmetrics forum for many years before abandoning it without direct explanation. Pelton is known to be a fan of Christmas music from the artist Sufjan Stevens.[10] He was also a consultant for the Indiana Pacers. Pelton is also a widely followed sports commentator with over thirty thousand followers on Twitter.[11]
Rose HAS played over 100 games the last 2 seasons, are we just going to throw that out? I'm not saying I agree with Pelton here but it's not as if Rose hasn't played recently to judge.
Rose HAS played over 100 games the last 2 seasons, are we just going to throw that out? I'm not saying I agree with Pelton here but it's not as if Rose hasn't played recently to judge.
and he played well last year after he recovered from the orbital fracture
before this turns into me defending Pelton and his opinion, I'm not. I was reading his chat, that was the only Knicks related question outside of a Melo/Nuggets trade mention. He made pretty clear he's not high on Rose. I'm merely saying we don't need pre-season to help us judge Rose one way or another. Sure if he looked fucking incredible physically (or terrible) we'd be swayed but he's played recently. We can judge him on that.
played one pre-season game and looked "solid". I think it's fair to say the MVP caliber guy is gone but how good/bad he is going forward remains to be seen.
Rose may not, or even probably is not, anything close to what he was, but he's still better than Jeremy fucking Lin
I can pretty definitively say the freakazoid athleticism is gone. I can't say I've watched every game Derrick Rose has played the last 3-4 years but prime Rose was an out of this world athlete. He's not that anymore.
N'dore makes the Knicks a stronger defensive team, simply because he puts in the effort. I have seen him play effectively at shot blocking. When he has to take a shot, he attempts low risk, high percentage shots, like Dunks, and he has an accurate 15 foot shot, near the paint.
N'dore makes the Knicks a stronger defensive team, simply because he puts in the effort. I have seen him play effectively at shot blocking. When he has to take a shot, he attempts low risk, high percentage shots, like Dunks, and he has an accurate 15 foot shot, near the paint.
What's your opinion on new Knick addition N'dore?
Are you privy to some special footage that we are not? He's played 5 pre-season games and has yet to register a block.
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I had similar questions. The PG defense last year was literally the worst I've ever seen. I'm not expecting great defense at PG but how could it be worse?
instantly improves their defense immensely, almost regardless of who took his place. Sasha's not going to play nearly as much this year, either. Lopez at best is a wash with Noah, and I don't believe that's the case anyway. KP's defense probably gets better. Sure, Kuz and Don't Call Me Willy can't defend, but how much will they even play?
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
but if you adjust for pace, the Knicks finished 28 in defense.
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
Preseason is over. The regular season starts Tuesday, against the Cavs. Home opener is Saturday, against the Grizzlies.
on ESPN. I thought the Knicks were more middle of the road regarding pace at 18 but I see that they were actually 24th. SMH
As for Rose, overall he has been a shell of his former self during this comeback. But his stats post all-star break last season were more efficient. That version of Rose won't be the third best pg in the city
RE: Ndore played in the Knicks summer league last year Â
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
Preseason is over. The regular season starts Tuesday, against the Cavs. Home opener is Saturday, against the Grizzlies.
Yes, I know. But they haven't started playing the regular season games yet. I think Hornacek didn't even put a defensive gameplan in for the Rockets game, and there were times when Melo and others were just straight lazy. I expect it to pick up when the season officially starts.
and will start out with goggles after that. Why does everyone assume that they haven't made arrangements to give him his partial guarantee up front, let him work out with Westchester, with a promise to find room for him once he is back in shape? Several reporters are suggesting this.
As much as many of you hate Vujacic, he has shown that he can be an emergency pg, and had a very good preseason--for Vujacic. Starting with the last 10 games or so last year, he has shown himself to be a perfectly reasonable 14th or 15th player with some leadership skills. And Baker is well better than expected as well. So, why put pressure on Randle to be on the roster before he is ready?
In the 5-6 weeks he will need to get ready, at a minimum, someone will get hurt, or someone will show that they suck. Presto! a slot opens up.
Glad they didn't need Amundsen.
Just read the Knicks outbid themselves for Jennings Â
This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:
Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.
But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:
Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.
But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
knicks giving him 5 million was smart if they want to resign him..
knicks tried to work a sign and tried so they could get his bird rights but they couldnt get s deal done...
by giving him 5 million if he plays well and another team wants him they can at least give him a multi year deal starting at around 7 million...
if they gave him the vet it would be something around 3 milliob
This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:
Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.
But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
That article can go fuck itself. Is there anything the Knicks do that won't get criticized? Now they overpaid for Jennings? One year deal lol cmon.
But does anybody know how to watch Knicks games on-line?? I do some local travel in NY and NJ for my job and the hotels wont have MSG. I dont have XFinity or Comcast so MSG Go will not work. NBA League Pass is blacked out in NY and NJ. Any advice on how I can watch the games??
I can go to a bar if I have to, but I like to soend as little as possible of my per diem if I can.
And I wish I could see. Twitter is down for me :(
And Plumlee is basically a younger version of Amundsen
He's as good as gone, no way some other team doesn't grab him, if not he'll probably go back to Europe. Stupid injury, he was really flashing those first couple games.
I don't know what's worse: your Giants posts or your Knicks posts.
I hope you get eaten by wolves.
And Plumlee is basically a younger version of Amundsen
I knew Pumlee was going to make it. The coaching staff and MSG guys have been talking him up in almost every pre-season game I watched so far. They avoided using high motor though. lol. I think he could developed into a good defensive rotation center. He isn't agile as his brother but it looks like he works hard at improving.
Happy for N'Dour and Baker. Sad about Randle though. Thought Baker and Randle really earned a spot and rotation minutes.
What do you mean done?
Per wikipedia
Kevin 'Al' Pelton is a sportswriter who writes for ESPN.com and has previously written for BasketballProspectus.com, 82games.com, Hoopsworld.com and SI.com. Pelton formerly covered the Seattle Storm and Seattle SuperSonics for their respective websites. However, after the SuperSonics' departure from Seattle, he has "adopted" the Portland Trail Blazers in his coverage.[9] He has worked to acquaint mainstream basketball fans with statistical analysis. He moderated the APBRmetrics forum for many years before abandoning it without direct explanation. Pelton is known to be a fan of Christmas music from the artist Sufjan Stevens.[10] He was also a consultant for the Indiana Pacers. Pelton is also a widely followed sports commentator with over thirty thousand followers on Twitter.[11]
Rose HAS played over 100 games the last 2 seasons, are we just going to throw that out? I'm not saying I agree with Pelton here but it's not as if Rose hasn't played recently to judge.
saying lin is better than rose or even jennings is laughable
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has Rose even played this preseason?
Rose HAS played over 100 games the last 2 seasons, are we just going to throw that out? I'm not saying I agree with Pelton here but it's not as if Rose hasn't played recently to judge.
and he played well last year after he recovered from the orbital fracture
Rose may not, or even probably is not, anything close to what he was, but he's still better than Jeremy fucking Lin
Rose may not, or even probably is not, anything close to what he was, but he's still better than Jeremy fucking Lin
I can pretty definitively say the freakazoid athleticism is gone. I can't say I've watched every game Derrick Rose has played the last 3-4 years but prime Rose was an out of this world athlete. He's not that anymore.
What's your opinion on new Knick addition N'dore?
What's your opinion on new Knick addition N'dore?
Are you privy to some special footage that we are not? He's played 5 pre-season games and has yet to register a block.
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I had similar questions. The PG defense last year was literally the worst I've ever seen. I'm not expecting great defense at PG but how could it be worse?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
but if you adjust for pace, the Knicks finished 28 in defense.
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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
Preseason is over. The regular season starts Tuesday, against the Cavs. Home opener is Saturday, against the Grizzlies.
but if you adjust for pace, the Knicks finished 28 in defense.
Where do you see 28th? Our D rating was 18th per BBR.
As for Rose, overall he has been a shell of his former self during this comeback. But his stats post all-star break last season were more efficient. That version of Rose won't be the third best pg in the city
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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.
Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
Preseason is over. The regular season starts Tuesday, against the Cavs. Home opener is Saturday, against the Grizzlies.
Yes, I know. But they haven't started playing the regular season games yet. I think Hornacek didn't even put a defensive gameplan in for the Rockets game, and there were times when Melo and others were just straight lazy. I expect it to pick up when the season officially starts.
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As much as many of you hate Vujacic, he has shown that he can be an emergency pg, and had a very good preseason--for Vujacic. Starting with the last 10 games or so last year, he has shown himself to be a perfectly reasonable 14th or 15th player with some leadership skills. And Baker is well better than expected as well. So, why put pressure on Randle to be on the roster before he is ready?
In the 5-6 weeks he will need to get ready, at a minimum, someone will get hurt, or someone will show that they suck. Presto! a slot opens up.
Glad they didn't need Amundsen.
Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.
But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
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This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:
Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.
But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
knicks giving him 5 million was smart if they want to resign him..
knicks tried to work a sign and tried so they could get his bird rights but they couldnt get s deal done...
by giving him 5 million if he plays well and another team wants him they can at least give him a multi year deal starting at around 7 million...
if they gave him the vet it would be something around 3 milliob
In any event, Im not gonna cry re a 1 year deal. 5 million is very fair.
Jennings at 1yr/5 million is an excellent deal.
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This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:
Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.
But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
That article can go fuck itself. Is there anything the Knicks do that won't get criticized? Now they overpaid for Jennings? One year deal lol cmon.
I can go to a bar if I have to, but I like to soend as little as possible of my per diem if I can.