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NFT: Knicks release Amundsen, Tokoto, and Randle per Begley

adamg : 10/21/2016 2:17 pm
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Ian Begley & #8207;@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago
The Knicks have released Lou Amundsen, JP Tokoto and Chasson Randle per ESPN sources
Bit surprised with Randle  
Anakim : 10/21/2016 2:20 pm : link
Seemed like they really wanted to keep him, but alas, he's injured




And I wish I could see. Twitter is down for me :(
Plumlee and N'Dour made it?  
Anakim : 10/21/2016 2:22 pm : link
Meh. I like Ben Bentil more than N'Dour personally


And Plumlee is basically a younger version of Amundsen
Awesome Baker is sticking around...  
guitarguybs12 : 10/21/2016 2:29 pm : link
but yeah, no idea why N'dour over Randle. He did practically nothing this preseason...especially with the good news of no surgery for Randle and only a month of recovery time.

He's as good as gone, no way some other team doesn't grab him, if not he'll probably go back to Europe. Stupid injury, he was really flashing those first couple games.
Randle  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 2:34 pm : link
Maybe back. Supposedly they were considering dropping him, giving him 100k and bringing him back when he's healthy
So I have to endure Fredo wasting a roster spot  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 2:39 pm : link
Having Thomas around was bad enough, but at least he was decent last season. This, though....
N'Dore is a star off the bench  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/21/2016 2:39 pm : link
Knicks are fortunate to get N'Dore back. He plays defense blocks opponents shots, Dunks, hits his shots. Plays Power forward.
RE: N'Dore is a star off the bench  
Anakim : 10/21/2016 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13183996 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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Knicks are fortunate to get N'Dore back. He plays defense blocks opponents shots, Dunks, hits his shots. Plays Power forward.


I don't know what's worse: your Giants posts or your Knicks posts.
That  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 2:47 pm : link
Was one strange post/scouting report lol
RE: N'Dore is a star off the bench  
djm : 10/21/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13183996 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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Knicks are fortunate to get N'Dore back. He plays defense blocks opponents shots, Dunks, hits his shots. Plays Power forward.


I hope you get eaten by wolves.
RE: Plumlee and N'Dour made it?  
Mason : 10/21/2016 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13183967 Anakim said:
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Meh. I like Ben Bentil more than N'Dour personally


And Plumlee is basically a younger version of Amundsen


I knew Pumlee was going to make it. The coaching staff and MSG guys have been talking him up in almost every pre-season game I watched so far. They avoided using high motor though. lol. I think he could developed into a good defensive rotation center. He isn't agile as his brother but it looks like he works hard at improving.

Happy for N'Dour and Baker. Sad about Randle though. Thought Baker and Randle really earned a spot and rotation minutes.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:05 pm : link
like Kevin Pelton thinks Rose is "done".
RE: Sounds  
SicilianGMEN : 10/21/2016 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13184046 DanMetroMan said:
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like Kevin Pelton thinks Rose is "done".


What do you mean done?
He ranked PGs in th "tri-state": area as  
TheMick7 : 10/21/2016 3:30 pm : link
1. Lin;2. Jennings; 3. Rose
who the hell is Kevin Pelton?  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 3:33 pm : link
?
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:34 pm : link
ranked him the third best PG in NY so unless you think Lin and Jennings are studs its safe to say he thinks Rose has ceased being an NBA starting PG/star.
based on what?  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 3:34 pm : link
has Rose even played this preseason?
RE: who the hell is Kevin Pelton?  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13184096 Greg from LI said:
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?


Per wikipedia

Kevin 'Al' Pelton is a sportswriter who writes for ESPN.com and has previously written for BasketballProspectus.com, 82games.com, Hoopsworld.com and SI.com. Pelton formerly covered the Seattle Storm and Seattle SuperSonics for their respective websites. However, after the SuperSonics' departure from Seattle, he has "adopted" the Portland Trail Blazers in his coverage.[9] He has worked to acquaint mainstream basketball fans with statistical analysis. He moderated the APBRmetrics forum for many years before abandoning it without direct explanation. Pelton is known to be a fan of Christmas music from the artist Sufjan Stevens.[10] He was also a consultant for the Indiana Pacers. Pelton is also a widely followed sports commentator with over thirty thousand followers on Twitter.[11]
RE: based on what?  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13184101 giants#1 said:
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has Rose even played this preseason?


Rose HAS played over 100 games the last 2 seasons, are we just going to throw that out? I'm not saying I agree with Pelton here but it's not as if Rose hasn't played recently to judge.
jeremy lin had 8 turnovers yesterday  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2016 3:38 pm : link
yet all the media talks about is lin had 20 and 10...

saying lin is better than rose or even jennings is laughable
RE: RE: based on what?  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2016 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13184106 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13184101 giants#1 said:


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has Rose even played this preseason?



Rose HAS played over 100 games the last 2 seasons, are we just going to throw that out? I'm not saying I agree with Pelton here but it's not as if Rose hasn't played recently to judge.


and he played well last year after he recovered from the orbital fracture
Again  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:41 pm : link
before this turns into me defending Pelton and his opinion, I'm not. I was reading his chat, that was the only Knicks related question outside of a Melo/Nuggets trade mention. He made pretty clear he's not high on Rose. I'm merely saying we don't need pre-season to help us judge Rose one way or another. Sure if he looked fucking incredible physically (or terrible) we'd be swayed but he's played recently. We can judge him on that.
that's why I was asking  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 3:44 pm : link
was he basing it on preseason? Or all of last year? Or Rose's (reportedly) improved play the last month+?
oh, ESPN  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 3:45 pm : link
Safely ignored, then.

Rose may not, or even probably is not, anything close to what he was, but he's still better than Jeremy fucking Lin
Rose  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:46 pm : link
played one pre-season game and looked "solid". I think it's fair to say the MVP caliber guy is gone but how good/bad he is going forward remains to be seen.
RE: oh, ESPN  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13184127 Greg from LI said:
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Safely ignored, then.

Rose may not, or even probably is not, anything close to what he was, but he's still better than Jeremy fucking Lin


I can pretty definitively say the freakazoid athleticism is gone. I can't say I've watched every game Derrick Rose has played the last 3-4 years but prime Rose was an out of this world athlete. He's not that anymore.
assuming he would have  
Enzo : 10/21/2016 3:55 pm : link
signed the same deal with the Knicks he got in Brooklyn, I would have preferred to add Lin last summer instead of doing the Rose deal.
Anakim hey how have you been man ?  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/21/2016 3:56 pm : link
N'dore makes the Knicks a stronger defensive team, simply because he puts in the effort. I have seen him play effectively at shot blocking. When he has to take a shot, he attempts low risk, high percentage shots, like Dunks, and he has an accurate 15 foot shot, near the paint.

What's your opinion on new Knick addition N'dore?
RE: Anakim hey how have you been man ?  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13184148 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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N'dore makes the Knicks a stronger defensive team, simply because he puts in the effort. I have seen him play effectively at shot blocking. When he has to take a shot, he attempts low risk, high percentage shots, like Dunks, and he has an accurate 15 foot shot, near the paint.

What's your opinion on new Knick addition N'dore?


Are you privy to some special footage that we are not? He's played 5 pre-season games and has yet to register a block.
Ignoring  
Semipro Lineman : 10/21/2016 4:04 pm : link
the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.

Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.
RE: Ignoring  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13184171 Semipro Lineman said:
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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.

Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.


I had similar questions. The PG defense last year was literally the worst I've ever seen. I'm not expecting great defense at PG but how could it be worse?
Hell, simply removing Calderon from the team  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 4:10 pm : link
instantly improves their defense immensely, almost regardless of who took his place. Sasha's not going to play nearly as much this year, either. Lopez at best is a wash with Noah, and I don't believe that's the case anyway. KP's defense probably gets better. Sure, Kuz and Don't Call Me Willy can't defend, but how much will they even play?
RE: Ignoring  
Aspano! : 10/21/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13184171 Semipro Lineman said:
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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.

Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.


I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.
RE: Ignoring  
Enzo : 10/21/2016 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13184171 Semipro Lineman said:
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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.

Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.

but if you adjust for pace, the Knicks finished 28 in defense.
having even average defense  
Enzo : 10/21/2016 4:17 pm : link
at the PG spot should help. That, and improved coaching. Getting them to league average on defense would be a step in the right direction.
RE: RE: Ignoring  
Canton : 10/21/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13184194 Aspano! said:
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In comment 13184171 Semipro Lineman said:


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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.

Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.



I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.


Preseason is over. The regular season starts Tuesday, against the Cavs. Home opener is Saturday, against the Grizzlies.
I've always found Pelton's content  
Deej : 10/21/2016 4:22 pm : link
to be smart. I wouldnt dismiss him because of his employer.
RE: RE: Ignoring  
Deej : 10/21/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13184199 Enzo said:
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but if you adjust for pace, the Knicks finished 28 in defense.


Where do you see 28th? Our D rating was 18th per BBR.
I just checked  
Semipro Lineman : 10/21/2016 5:00 pm : link
on ESPN. I thought the Knicks were more middle of the road regarding pace at 18 but I see that they were actually 24th. SMH

As for Rose, overall he has been a shell of his former self during this comeback. But his stats post all-star break last season were more efficient. That version of Rose won't be the third best pg in the city
RE: Ndore played in the Knicks summer league last year  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/21/2016 5:26 pm : link
The Knicks obviously wanted him back on the team. He had a few stand out games.

RE: RE: RE: Ignoring  
Aspano! : 10/21/2016 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13184208 Canton said:
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In comment 13184194 Aspano! said:


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In comment 13184171 Semipro Lineman said:


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the Rose doom and gloom, can someone explain how a team that ended up 10th in points allowed last season is now defensively challenged after losing limited defenders Affalo and Calderón?
The Knicks points against average isn't completely related to their pace as they were middle of the road in that stat.

Plus, as good as Lopez was last year, there are defensive metrics that rated Noah higher in his limited action.



I'm pretty sure the Knicks were near the bottom in pace last year. And their defense won't be too bad - it's preseason still.



Preseason is over. The regular season starts Tuesday, against the Cavs. Home opener is Saturday, against the Grizzlies.


Yes, I know. But they haven't started playing the regular season games yet. I think Hornacek didn't even put a defensive gameplan in for the Rockets game, and there were times when Melo and others were just straight lazy. I expect it to pick up when the season officially starts.
Cool  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 7:43 pm : link
video introducing the new throwbacks
Link - ( New Window )
Any interest in Spencer Dinwiddie?  
Anakim : 10/21/2016 8:41 pm : link
Chicago just cut him loose
Randle is 3-4 weeks away from even working out...  
manh george : 10/21/2016 9:43 pm : link
and will start out with goggles after that. Why does everyone assume that they haven't made arrangements to give him his partial guarantee up front, let him work out with Westchester, with a promise to find room for him once he is back in shape? Several reporters are suggesting this.

As much as many of you hate Vujacic, he has shown that he can be an emergency pg, and had a very good preseason--for Vujacic. Starting with the last 10 games or so last year, he has shown himself to be a perfectly reasonable 14th or 15th player with some leadership skills. And Baker is well better than expected as well. So, why put pressure on Randle to be on the roster before he is ready?

In the 5-6 weeks he will need to get ready, at a minimum, someone will get hurt, or someone will show that they suck. Presto! a slot opens up.

Glad they didn't need Amundsen.
Just read the Knicks outbid themselves for Jennings  
Canton : 10/22/2016 5:08 am : link
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This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:

Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.

But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.
Spencer Dinwiddie?  
XBRONX : 10/22/2016 8:01 am : link
He stinks offensively
RE: Just read the Knicks outbid themselves for Jennings  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2016 8:07 am : link
In comment 13184562 Canton said:
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Quote:


This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:

Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.

But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.



knicks giving him 5 million was smart if they want to resign him..

knicks tried to work a sign and tried so they could get his bird rights but they couldnt get s deal done...

by giving him 5 million if he plays well and another team wants him they can at least give him a multi year deal starting at around 7 million...

if they gave him the vet it would be something around 3 milliob
that's fluff  
Deej : 10/22/2016 8:58 am : link
Jennings took the 5 million, but would likely have shopped himself longer for 1.3 million.

In any event, Im not gonna cry re a 1 year deal. 5 million is very fair.
Phil's one bad deal is Lance Thomas  
Vanzetti : 10/22/2016 5:45 pm : link
That's a guy you can easily replace. Paying him 4/28 or whatever it was is insane.

Jennings at 1yr/5 million is an excellent deal.
RE: Just read the Knicks outbid themselves for Jennings  
djm : 10/22/2016 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13184562 Canton said:
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Quote:


This, via a New York Newsday Q&A with Jennings, probably didn’t come up at the negotiating table:

Q: What other teams were interested in you?
Jennings: “Actually I didn’t get any offers from any other team but New York. A lot was because of my Achilles, nobody knew how healthy I was and things like that. I definitely put in the time this summer, lost a lot of weight. I made sure I was ready. When Phil (Jackson) called, I was like ‘Yo, I’m coming.’ It was a no-brainer … Shoot, I would have come here for a million. It didn’t matter. I just wanted to be in an NBA uniform and be somewhere where I had a chance to win, and New York City — why not?”
Q: Do you feel like you have something to prove?
Jennings: “I definitely do. It was 29 teams that didn’t want me so I definitely have a chip on my shoulder, and I definitely want to prove to everybody that I’m back and I’m healthy and I’m just a team player.”
That’s right. Phil called, Brandon said, “Yo, I’m coming,” and the Knicks bid against themselves to sign a player who would have taken the $1.3 million veteran minimum to a one-year, $5 million contract.

But it’s very Knicks-ian to pay a player no other team wanted four times more than he would’ve taken.



That article can go fuck itself. Is there anything the Knicks do that won't get criticized? Now they overpaid for Jennings? One year deal lol cmon.
Somewhat off topic,  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/22/2016 9:46 pm : link
But does anybody know how to watch Knicks games on-line?? I do some local travel in NY and NJ for my job and the hotels wont have MSG. I dont have XFinity or Comcast so MSG Go will not work. NBA League Pass is blacked out in NY and NJ. Any advice on how I can watch the games??

I can go to a bar if I have to, but I like to soend as little as possible of my per diem if I can.
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