he is universally despised and the Giants and the NFL are taking a huge PR hit right now.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
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The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
I think he's about as despised as you can get... Â
"Even though it was already widely known that Brown abused his wife, he had gotten little to no backlash for it. Now, as 150 pages of files on Brown have been released, including journal entries where he admits to repeatedly abusing her over the years, the Giants — and white fans around the league — have nothing for him like the scorn they’ve reserved for Colin Kaepernick."
This is simply a racist rant. King is making things up and using them to criticize a particular group.
"Even though it was already widely known that Brown abused his wife, he had gotten little to no backlash for it. Now, as 150 pages of files on Brown have been released, including journal entries where he admits to repeatedly abusing her over the years, the Giants — and white fans around the league — have nothing for him like the scorn they’ve reserved for Colin Kaepernick."
This is simply a racist rant. King is making things up and using them to criticize a particular group.
Had he written the article last week before the journal entries were released, he *might* have had a point. As it stands, he's just twisting facts and ignoring the boat load of people calling for Brown to be axed.
to the idea that BLM is wrong because they don't focus on black on black crime is that people can be exercised by two separate and distinct things. In this case, one's outrage (if any) over Kaepernick and one's outrage over Josh Brown are two separate and distinct forms of disenchantment and there is nothing necessary about their conflation.
he is universally despised and the Giants and the NFL are taking a huge PR hit right now.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
Quote:
The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Also, didn't the Cowboys sign Hardy long after the entire world knew about all of his issues? I guess everyone was so forgiving because of Hadys skin color....
to the idea that BLM is wrong because they don't focus on black on black crime is that people can be exercised by two separate and distinct things. In this case, one's outrage (if any) over Kaepernick and one's outrage over Josh Brown are two separate and distinct forms of disenchantment and there is nothing necessary about their conflation.
That was my EXACT reaction when I read this piece. Giving Josh Brown a second contract was a mistake. Josh Brown is a POS for what he did to his wife. And he has been and will be vilified. I doubt he plays another snap in the league.
By painting it out that no one is outraged and throwing in a quote from a unknown league source about how Colin K. is perceived is creating a straw man argument. It's lazy and unimaginative.
to the idea that BLM is wrong because they don't focus on black on black crime is that people can be exercised by two separate and distinct things. In this case, one's outrage (if any) over Kaepernick and one's outrage over Josh Brown are two separate and distinct forms of disenchantment and there is nothing necessary about their conflation.
That was my EXACT reaction when I read this piece. Giving Josh Brown a second contract was a mistake. Josh Brown is a POS for what he did to his wife. And he has been and will be vilified. I doubt he plays another snap in the league.
By painting it out that no one is outraged and throwing in a quote from a unknown league source about how Colin K. is perceived is creating a straw man argument. It's lazy and unimaginative.
Funny... 'bullshit' is the word that came to my mind. Every time I read something from this guy I like him less and less.
is the same one that Ray Rice has had (and Hardy and AP did NOT have). It's that CK sucks at football. Therefore, teams aren't willing to put up with anything that might be a distraction.
I was wondering how long this would take to become a race Â
He claims he's bi-racial and who knows maybe he is, but the problem he creates is there is legitimate racism out there - a lot of it, and by claiming racism when it's not there, he makes it harder on the people who need to understand and act on the legitimate claims to believe them.
It's the activists like King that create a divide, not unity or awareness. they creative defensiveness which divides. IMO.
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
race baiting mother fucker. Figures that he works for the Daily News...piece of shit newspaper too.
He must have bought Sharpton's book.
Meanwhile, if his problem is that the Brown thing has not gotten as much attention, then he should look no farther than the media itself. It is the media that decides what we get exposed to. Every time CK takes a knee during the national anthem, the cameras are on him AND he is intentionally doing this for all to see. If Brown was beating the shit out of his wife on the sideline during the anthem, or a video tape of him doing it like Ray Rice, then I am sure the discussion would be much different.
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
Brown's been killed by the media and fans, though. There is something that would have made it worse, but it's not race. If Brown were in any way famous or recognizable, there'd be a much bigger backlash.
If Hardy had been a practice squad DE and not re-signed by the Cowboys, you can bet your wallet that he'd have had the same treatment as Brown, who will slip into oblivion once he's released.
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
I don't disagree that in some cases there is absolutely a difference in how black people are viewed in this country. no question.
I don't think it applies in this specific case.
Take a look for yourself, the link below is the NFL arrest database. See how many of the people of all races committed crimes and how public they were. Some were publicized, but others were not.
The main difference is almost all the DV cases the player was released almost immediately and the Giants are definitely taking their share of criticism on that, but I doubt race was a motive. I think the Giants underestimated the extent and severity. which is inexcusable. But while I completely acknowledge racism exists I don't think it played any part in this incident - whether it was the media coverage or the Giants or NFL actions. Link - ( New Window )
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
I don't disagree that in some cases there is absolutely a difference in how black people are viewed in this country. no question.
I don't think it applies in this specific case.
Take a look for yourself, the link below is the NFL arrest database. See how many of the people of all races committed crimes and how public they were. Some were publicized, but others were not.
The main difference is almost all the DV cases the player was released almost immediately and the Giants are definitely taking their share of criticism on that, but I doubt race was a motive. I think the Giants underestimated the extent and severity. which is inexcusable. But while I completely acknowledge racism exists I don't think it played any part in this incident - whether it was the media coverage or the Giants or NFL actions. Link - ( New Window )
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I'm not accusing the NFL or the Giants of being bigoted because i don't beleive that's the case i just feel as though some fans amd media memebers have extra vitriol towards black athletes. In any case i respect your opinion even if i disagree.
kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
I don't disagree that in some cases there is absolutely a difference in how black people are viewed in this country. no question.
I don't think it applies in this specific case.
Take a look for yourself, the link below is the NFL arrest database. See how many of the people of all races committed crimes and how public they were. Some were publicized, but others were not.
The main difference is almost all the DV cases the player was released almost immediately and the Giants are definitely taking their share of criticism on that, but I doubt race was a motive. I think the Giants underestimated the extent and severity. which is inexcusable. But while I completely acknowledge racism exists I don't think it played any part in this incident - whether it was the media coverage or the Giants or NFL actions. Link - ( New Window )
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I'm not accusing the NFL or the Giants of being bigoted because i don't beleive that's the case i just feel as though some fans amd media memebers have extra vitriol towards black athletes. In any case i respect your opinion even if i disagree.
Sorry, I misunderstood your opinion, I am sure some fans and media have extra vitriol based on race.
I just don't think in this case the vitriol from the start was at Ray Rice level because of the evidence and severity, if there had been the same severity and the same evidence it wold have been the same virtiol IMO. I think DV is pretty much a raceless issue. IMO.
I don't follow Floyd Mayweather's out of the ring life closely, but I do know that the man has a lengthy history of domestic violence charges and convictions against multiple women and I believe even his own children.
You might be able to bring up a good example where racial bias impacted public perception (media and fan), but I don't think comparing the initial reaction and handling of Josh Brown vs Ray Rice or Floyd Mayweather are good examples.
But we all know who you're talking to. Can we please stop using the reply option when posting? All the yellow is making this thread hard to navigate. And it's repetitive. Not trying to be an ass, I like the discussion.
he is universally despised and the Giants and the NFL are taking a huge PR hit right now.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
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The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Josh Brown is barely a footnote and wouldn't have people wearing shirts calling for his death like Kaepernick. Come on now.
he is universally despised and the Giants and the NFL are taking a huge PR hit right now.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
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The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Also, didn't the Cowboys sign Hardy long after the entire world knew about all of his issues? I guess everyone was so forgiving because of Hadys skin color....
The world outside of Dallas hated Hardy. No hate for Josh Brown.
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with the writer Â
of the article, but threads like this one pretty much validate his point. You have a black columnist who shares an opinion about there being what he perceives as a double-standard, and you get (predictably) posters on here that call him things like idiot, asshole and scum. The comments towards this guy who is just writing a column about a topic concerning race seem to be just as nasty, and maybe worse, than comments made towards Josh Brown on other threads I've seen here.
It's so weird the way so many people here are treating Brown like Â
some kind of monster. I read that he admitted to physically abusing his wife, but no one says exactly what he did. I'm thinking that he punched her in the mouth, or kicked her down the stairs. Then I read this:
According to an incident report and a victim’s statement by Molly Brown after the arrest, she said Brown had grabbed and injured her wrist. She added that there had been as many as 20 previous episodes when Brown had similarly grabbed, pushed or threatened her over several years.
He grabbed by the wrist? Other times he had grabbed, pushed or threatened her?
Hell, when I was a kid and sassed my mother, she would wind up and give me a big smack across the face. I guess that would make her a child abuser in Washington.
I'm not saying he deserves a medal, but let the punishment fit the crime.
of the article, but threads like this one pretty much validate his point. You have a black columnist who shares an opinion about there being what he perceives as a double-standard, and you get (predictably) posters on here that call him things like idiot, asshole and scum. The comments towards this guy who is just writing a column about a topic concerning race seem to be just as nasty, and maybe worse, than comments made towards Josh Brown on other threads I've seen here.
He isn't just any writer. Go look up his history and why he's famous.
Spousal abuse is a big issue there. So they passed a Domestic Abuse 4th Degree law, which is a minor misdemeanor, where the husband can be arrested just for poking his wife with a finger.
The idea is to get to the serious abusers early and let them know that they're watching them.
His wife claimed he had physically abused her 20 times. The detective investigated and recommended that he be charged with Domestic Abuse 4th degree. So he didn't find any evidence, including the wife's testimony, that he had really hurt her.
And he was never even charged with the 4th degree.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Shocker.
Maybe that CK isn't playing in the NFL because he took a knee...oh wait!
This is simply a racist rant. King is making things up and using them to criticize a particular group.
This is simply a racist rant. King is making things up and using them to criticize a particular group.
Had he written the article last week before the journal entries were released, he *might* have had a point. As it stands, he's just twisting facts and ignoring the boat load of people calling for Brown to be axed.
I guess he succeeded in his goal of getting people talking about a shitty article he wrote.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
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The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Also, didn't the Cowboys sign Hardy long after the entire world knew about all of his issues? I guess everyone was so forgiving because of Hadys skin color....
Well, he's a VERY confused young man, you see.
I guess he succeeded in his goal of getting people talking about a shitty article he wrote.
His point about the lack of outrage (if that is his point, I'm not clicking on that crap), would've been somewhat relevant last week.
And by 'we' I mean all us white folk, obviously.
That was my EXACT reaction when I read this piece. Giving Josh Brown a second contract was a mistake. Josh Brown is a POS for what he did to his wife. And he has been and will be vilified. I doubt he plays another snap in the league.
By painting it out that no one is outraged and throwing in a quote from a unknown league source about how Colin K. is perceived is creating a straw man argument. It's lazy and unimaginative.
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to the idea that BLM is wrong because they don't focus on black on black crime is that people can be exercised by two separate and distinct things. In this case, one's outrage (if any) over Kaepernick and one's outrage over Josh Brown are two separate and distinct forms of disenchantment and there is nothing necessary about their conflation.
That was my EXACT reaction when I read this piece. Giving Josh Brown a second contract was a mistake. Josh Brown is a POS for what he did to his wife. And he has been and will be vilified. I doubt he plays another snap in the league.
By painting it out that no one is outraged and throwing in a quote from a unknown league source about how Colin K. is perceived is creating a straw man argument. It's lazy and unimaginative.
Funny... 'bullshit' is the word that came to my mind. Every time I read something from this guy I like him less and less.
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That's a better question.
He claims he's bi-racial and who knows maybe he is, but the problem he creates is there is legitimate racism out there - a lot of it, and by claiming racism when it's not there, he makes it harder on the people who need to understand and act on the legitimate claims to believe them.
It's the activists like King that create a divide, not unity or awareness. they creative defensiveness which divides. IMO.
He must have bought Sharpton's book.
Meanwhile, if his problem is that the Brown thing has not gotten as much attention, then he should look no farther than the media itself. It is the media that decides what we get exposed to. Every time CK takes a knee during the national anthem, the cameras are on him AND he is intentionally doing this for all to see. If Brown was beating the shit out of his wife on the sideline during the anthem, or a video tape of him doing it like Ray Rice, then I am sure the discussion would be much different.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
It is literally akin to Bruce Jenner becoming a feminist columnist.
What a world we live in.
Brown's been killed by the media and fans, though. There is something that would have made it worse, but it's not race. If Brown were in any way famous or recognizable, there'd be a much bigger backlash.
If Hardy had been a practice squad DE and not re-signed by the Cowboys, you can bet your wallet that he'd have had the same treatment as Brown, who will slip into oblivion once he's released.
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kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
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kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
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Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
I don't disagree that in some cases there is absolutely a difference in how black people are viewed in this country. no question.
I don't think it applies in this specific case.
Take a look for yourself, the link below is the NFL arrest database. See how many of the people of all races committed crimes and how public they were. Some were publicized, but others were not.
The main difference is almost all the DV cases the player was released almost immediately and the Giants are definitely taking their share of criticism on that, but I doubt race was a motive. I think the Giants underestimated the extent and severity. which is inexcusable. But while I completely acknowledge racism exists I don't think it played any part in this incident - whether it was the media coverage or the Giants or NFL actions.
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In comment 13184274 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13184264 nicks14 said:
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kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
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Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
I don't disagree that in some cases there is absolutely a difference in how black people are viewed in this country. no question.
I don't think it applies in this specific case.
Take a look for yourself, the link below is the NFL arrest database. See how many of the people of all races committed crimes and how public they were. Some were publicized, but others were not.
The main difference is almost all the DV cases the player was released almost immediately and the Giants are definitely taking their share of criticism on that, but I doubt race was a motive. I think the Giants underestimated the extent and severity. which is inexcusable. But while I completely acknowledge racism exists I don't think it played any part in this incident - whether it was the media coverage or the Giants or NFL actions. Link - ( New Window )
I'm not accusing the NFL or the Giants of being bigoted because i don't beleive that's the case i just feel as though some fans amd media memebers have extra vitriol towards black athletes. In any case i respect your opinion even if i disagree.
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In comment 13184284 nicks14 said:
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In comment 13184264 nicks14 said:
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kaepernick I know many of people white, black, Asian and latino who despise him for his actions so i would have to disagree with that comparison. However, Ray Rice and Floyd mayweather were definitely raked through the coals by the media and NFL fans. As a black man who's actually a conservative who despises the race card i have to call a duck a duck. I don't think the Giants went around protecting Josh Brown because he's white that's just stupid to even assert that. However, the vitriol that these two guys received from the fans was definitely different than what Josh from received. Josh was Brown wasn't condemned or exalted his case was pretty much ignored. Had he been black he would have been killed by the media and fans.
I have to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there was a video of Josh Brown sucker punching his wife in a hotel elevator and dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by her hair the reaction would have been identical to Ray Rice.
With the information that was released about Brown at the time it sounded nowhere near as severe as Rice. Now I'm not going to suggest any level of severity of domestic violence is acceptable, but I will say the accompanying outrage and perception will undoubtedly be tied to severity, and evidence. right or wrong. Not race IMO.
Unless you have a video of a white player doing what Rice did, it's all your opinion. And one that I disagree with.
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Ok So you want to use video evidence as the reason why the vitriol was different well fine have it your way. Let's say your right about Ray Rice and the video i don't recall there being a video of Floyd Mayweather beating the mother of his kids but that didn't stop the outrage against him. See the reason why we can't and will never get past racism in this country is because some people use the race card in every situation even when it doesn't apply. On the other hand some white people will fail to understand that there's a difference between the way black people are punished or viewed in this country.
I don't disagree that in some cases there is absolutely a difference in how black people are viewed in this country. no question.
I don't think it applies in this specific case.
Take a look for yourself, the link below is the NFL arrest database. See how many of the people of all races committed crimes and how public they were. Some were publicized, but others were not.
The main difference is almost all the DV cases the player was released almost immediately and the Giants are definitely taking their share of criticism on that, but I doubt race was a motive. I think the Giants underestimated the extent and severity. which is inexcusable. But while I completely acknowledge racism exists I don't think it played any part in this incident - whether it was the media coverage or the Giants or NFL actions. Link - ( New Window )
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I'm not accusing the NFL or the Giants of being bigoted because i don't beleive that's the case i just feel as though some fans amd media memebers have extra vitriol towards black athletes. In any case i respect your opinion even if i disagree.
Sorry, I misunderstood your opinion, I am sure some fans and media have extra vitriol based on race.
I just don't think in this case the vitriol from the start was at Ray Rice level because of the evidence and severity, if there had been the same severity and the same evidence it wold have been the same virtiol IMO. I think DV is pretty much a raceless issue. IMO.
I don't follow Floyd Mayweather's out of the ring life closely, but I do know that the man has a lengthy history of domestic violence charges and convictions against multiple women and I believe even his own children.
You might be able to bring up a good example where racial bias impacted public perception (media and fan), but I don't think comparing the initial reaction and handling of Josh Brown vs Ray Rice or Floyd Mayweather are good examples.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
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The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Josh Brown is barely a footnote and wouldn't have people wearing shirts calling for his death like Kaepernick. Come on now.
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he is universally despised and the Giants and the NFL are taking a huge PR hit right now.
way worse than Kaepernick.
Re-look at what the Panthers did with Greg Hardy. AND CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HARDY
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The Carolina Panthers chose to deactivate defensive end Greg Hardy ahead of their Week 2 game against the Detroit Lions, but the decision appears to have been temporary. Head coach Ron Rivera announced Monday that Hardy will not be suspended by the team, although the organization will continue to evaluate the situation before making a decision whether Hardy will be active against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football.
Hardy filed an appeal after being found guilty on charges of domestic violence and communicating threats stemming from an altercation in May with then-girlfriend Nicole Holder. The defensive end will receive a jury trial that will decide the case. That trial is scheduled to take place in November.
Until the league suspended him (put him on NFI just like Brown) while he was investigated.
So sick of the f-ing race card being played when people ignore actual examples where it's handled the exact same way.
Also, didn't the Cowboys sign Hardy long after the entire world knew about all of his issues? I guess everyone was so forgiving because of Hadys skin color....
The world outside of Dallas hated Hardy. No hate for Josh Brown.
According to an incident report and a victim’s statement by Molly Brown after the arrest, she said Brown had grabbed and injured her wrist. She added that there had been as many as 20 previous episodes when Brown had similarly grabbed, pushed or threatened her over several years.
He grabbed by the wrist? Other times he had grabbed, pushed or threatened her?
Hell, when I was a kid and sassed my mother, she would wind up and give me a big smack across the face. I guess that would make her a child abuser in Washington.
I'm not saying he deserves a medal, but let the punishment fit the crime.
Holy shit.
He isn't just any writer. Go look up his history and why he's famous.
The idea is to get to the serious abusers early and let them know that they're watching them.
His wife claimed he had physically abused her 20 times. The detective investigated and recommended that he be charged with Domestic Abuse 4th degree. So he didn't find any evidence, including the wife's testimony, that he had really hurt her.
And he was never even charged with the 4th degree.
People can be so self-righteous.
"JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED"
Mathew 7:1