This isn't another Josh Brown debate... just something about our current football team.
Gould is:
- The leading scorer in Bears history (1,118 points)
- The leader for most field goals in one season (33) in Bears history (2015)
- The Bears' leader for most consecutive 50+ yard field goals made (11 straight in 2013)
- The record holder for longest field goal in Bears history (58 yards in 2013)
- The 9th most accurate kicker in NFL history
Of course he's gonna miss 3 kicks now on Sunday, but we got a very successful player who isn't that old by kickers standards (34). Josh Brown was very good for us, but Gould has been great for a decade. I have a feeling he's gonna hit a very, very big kick for us at some point this year.
thank you
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.
Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.
you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.
I admitted excited was a bit much, but your stat still didn't fit in this discussion, IMO. I say that respectfully. Your number implied it the amount of field goals doesn't matter because of an inordinate amount from close range, and that's not the case.
I agree here. Brown led the NFL in FG% last year from us, so I don't think we're any better.
But I do think Gould will get a chance to kick an important kick from long range that wouldn't have happened with Bronw.
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not named Gostkowski, Bailey or Tucker. Not much to be excited about.
Ummmm Gostowski has been missing lately. A few more misses and belechik would cut his ass in a minute
He's still 8 for 10 from <=49 yards and has missed just 2 XPs (in 520 attempts) in his career. I guess for him, that's a "slump". Also has TBs on 53% of his KOs, though that's probably a little low by design as he's given up 16.5 yards/return on his other 15 kicks. (I believe he's had a few intentional coffin corners to pin teams <25).
Disagree. On the field, Brown's middle of the pack at best. I'd take all these guys over him without thinking twice:
Gostkowski
Vinatieri
Justin Tucker
Dan Bailey
Dustin Hopkins
Matt Bryant
Josh Lambo
Mason Crosby
Brandon McManus
Graham Gano
Steven Hauschka
Could argue over some of these:
Mike Nugent
Nick Novak
Matt Prater
Janikowski
Greg Zuerlein
Cairo Santos
Chandler Catanzaro
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In comment 13184180 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.
Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.
you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.
I admitted excited was a bit much, but your stat still didn't fit in this discussion, IMO. I say that respectfully. Your number implied it the amount of field goals doesn't matter because of an inordinate amount from close range, and that's not the case.
If he set the team record, it is relevant. has to be alot more than 7 FGs. but whatever, no big deal. Have a good weekend, let's hope they win
Yup, they need to score TDs. FGs will be extra risky with Gould/Wing having basically no practice together.
Especially when other being a repulsive wife-beater, Brown was pretty much money from like 53 yards in.
I don't remember a lot of concern about our "aging" kicker when Brown was on the roster, but the younger guy is too old.
Yes, Gould had a down year last year, but the decision to cut him was also influenced by his 2016 salary. We don't really know what we have in Gould, but I don't think his age is all that alarming.
He is aging but plenty of kickers kick far beyond his age so we might strike gold who knows.
Also I thought he was cut largely for missing s few extra points this preseason as much as anything else.
I'm not saying he isn't on the back half of his career, but he is replacing a 38 year old.
Statistically, Josh Brown has been one of the most impressive place kickers in team history.
I'm not saying he isn't on the back half of his career, but he is replacing a 38 year old.
I used the term because he is aging but I'm certainly not alarmed by it and while I can't speak for the others I doubt anyone is really alarmed by his age. Simply pointing out that you never really know what your getting with an aging kicker. At some point they begin to lose it and when that is can vary greatly with each kicker.
As I mentioned in my first post I'm hoping for a guy with a chip on his shoulder wanting to prove people wrong and ends up thriving on that but who knows. Whe shall see.
It's not like you're getting a Janikowski in his prime leg talent now.
Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
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Yeah, a dick off the field, but am I excited by what Gould brings to the field in place of Brown? Not really.
Disagree. On the field, Brown's middle of the pack at best. I'd take all these guys over him without thinking twice:
Gostkowski
Vinatieri
Justin Tucker
Dan Bailey
Dustin Hopkins
Matt Bryant
Josh Lambo
Mason Crosby
Brandon McManus
Graham Gano
Steven Hauschka
Could argue over some of these:
Mike Nugent
Nick Novak
Matt Prater
Janikowski
Greg Zuerlein
Cairo Santos
Chandler Catanzaro
You're welcome to your own opinion, but there's literally no point of data you could use to back that up with.
Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.
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So it's a lower quality guy. That said, Gould is very average (85ish%) which is fine. We should be fine with him. He missed 2 in the 30-39 range and another 2 in the 40-49 range last year. He's not an upgrade by any means.
Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.
During his time with the Giants, that's 3 full seasons plus the 5 games from this year, Brown has a 91.7% FGP. Gould has never broken 90% in a season. It's not an upgrade in any conceivable way.
Statistically, Josh Brown has been one of the most impressive place kickers in team history.
Brown has been exceptional with the Giants for sure. Can't be improved upon.
But as that's good as he's been, the full body of Gould's work gives me much more confidence when a big kick is coming up. So I'm not really comparing who was better last year. I'm saying I think Gould is going to be a plus for us moving forward, in confidence and in practice.
Gould has costed the Bears several games over the last couple seasons, missing FGAs in the 40s range. Therefore, I am not optimistic about this tradeoff in place kickers. Additionally, because he is rusty, Gould could very well cost the Giants a game tomorrow, a game I expect to be very close.
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So it's a lower quality guy. That said, Gould is very average (85ish%) which is fine. We should be fine with him. He missed 2 in the 30-39 range and another 2 in the 40-49 range last year. He's not an upgrade by any means.
Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.
Don't ever change.
doesn't cost us the game .
Would be nice to win a game going away instead of biting
are fingernails off in the closing seconds .
It's nice to have a kicker who can boot regular season field goals at a high clip, but history has shown that half of those guys melt down in the playoffs when the stakes are highest.
Excited to have Gould on board
Yeah, that kick would have gotten us into the playoffs where we definitely would have moved onto the Superbowl...
That said, it is very fortunate that a kicker with his resume was available midseason
Gould is young, and hungry.....he is playing for next year's contract.....unfortunately, lately Giant's doing that, don't seem to come up big...
I love watching the Giants and it s more fun when they are still revelant. That kick Lupe have kept them relevant for one more week, so for me it meant something. For fans who would only really care if the team is a Super Bowl contender it wasn't t.
I love watching the Giants and it s more fun when they are still revelant. That kick Lupe have kept them relevant for one more week, so for me it meant something. For fans who would only really care if the team is a Super Bowl contender it wasn't t.
You know, I actually agree with you on the relevancy concept completely. Just taking a cheap shot at your extreme post of "never forgave"...
No worries. I felt he was going to miss that one anyway...it was that kind of year. :-)