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Am I the only one excited about Robbie Gould?

Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 3:53 pm
This isn't another Josh Brown debate... just something about our current football team.

Gould is:

- The leading scorer in Bears history (1,118 points)
- The leader for most field goals in one season (33) in Bears history (2015)
- The Bears' leader for most consecutive 50+ yard field goals made (11 straight in 2013)
- The record holder for longest field goal in Bears history (58 yards in 2013)

- The 9th most accurate kicker in NFL history

Of course he's gonna miss 3 kicks now on Sunday, but we got a very successful player who isn't that old by kickers standards (34). Josh Brown was very good for us, but Gould has been great for a decade. I have a feeling he's gonna hit a very, very big kick for us at some point this year.
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Most of those stats say a lot more about the Bears offensive  
jcn56 : 10/21/2016 4:10 pm : link
ineptitude than anything else.
RE: Most of those stats say a lot more about the Bears offensive  
Victor in CT : 10/21/2016 4:11 pm : link
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ineptitude than anything else.


thank you
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Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13184186 Victor in CT said:
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.



Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.



you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.


I admitted excited was a bit much, but your stat still didn't fit in this discussion, IMO. I say that respectfully. Your number implied it the amount of field goals doesn't matter because of an inordinate amount from close range, and that's not the case.
On the field, couldn't get much better than Josh Brown  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 10/21/2016 4:13 pm : link
Yeah, a dick off the field, but am I excited by what Gould brings to the field in place of Brown? Not really.
RE: On the field, couldn't get much better than Josh Brown  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13184192 Bold Ruler said:
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Yeah, a dick off the field, but am I excited by what Gould brings to the field in place of Brown? Not really.


I agree here. Brown led the NFL in FG% last year from us, so I don't think we're any better.

But I do think Gould will get a chance to kick an important kick from long range that wouldn't have happened with Bronw.
RE: RE: he's a kicker  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 4:15 pm : link
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not named Gostkowski, Bailey or Tucker. Not much to be excited about.



Ummmm Gostowski has been missing lately. A few more misses and belechik would cut his ass in a minute


He's still 8 for 10 from <=49 yards and has missed just 2 XPs (in 520 attempts) in his career. I guess for him, that's a "slump". Also has TBs on 53% of his KOs, though that's probably a little low by design as he's given up 16.5 yards/return on his other 15 kicks. (I believe he's had a few intentional coffin corners to pin teams <25).
RE: On the field, couldn't get much better than Josh Brown  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13184192 Bold Ruler said:
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Yeah, a dick off the field, but am I excited by what Gould brings to the field in place of Brown? Not really.


Disagree. On the field, Brown's middle of the pack at best. I'd take all these guys over him without thinking twice:

Gostkowski
Vinatieri
Justin Tucker
Dan Bailey
Dustin Hopkins
Matt Bryant
Josh Lambo
Mason Crosby
Brandon McManus
Graham Gano
Steven Hauschka

Could argue over some of these:
Mike Nugent
Nick Novak
Matt Prater
Janikowski
Greg Zuerlein
Cairo Santos
Chandler Catanzaro
RE: RE: RE: mmmmkay  
Victor in CT : 10/21/2016 4:21 pm : link
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.



Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.



you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.



I admitted excited was a bit much, but your stat still didn't fit in this discussion, IMO. I say that respectfully. Your number implied it the amount of field goals doesn't matter because of an inordinate amount from close range, and that's not the case.


If he set the team record, it is relevant. has to be alot more than 7 FGs. but whatever, no big deal. Have a good weekend, let's hope they win
Gould is 34  
Canton : 10/21/2016 4:26 pm : link
Brown is 38 in April
i'm indifferent  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2016 4:27 pm : link
the Giants need to come out swinging and make our Kicking situation irrelevant on Sunday. Getting sick of close games every single week, would love this offense to click and hang 30+ on them.
RE: i'm indifferent  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13184214 UConn4523 said:
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the Giants need to come out swinging and make our Kicking situation irrelevant on Sunday. Getting sick of close games every single week, would love this offense to click and hang 30+ on them.


Yup, they need to score TDs. FGs will be extra risky with Gould/Wing having basically no practice together.
If Gould misses any kicks in London  
Jimmy Googs : 10/21/2016 4:43 pm : link
they can just leave without him...
Didn't read the rest  
pjcas18 : 10/21/2016 4:46 pm : link
of the thread, but probably, no reason to be excited about anything related to Gould. He was out of work for a reason.

Especially when other being a repulsive wife-beater, Brown was pretty much money from like 53 yards in.
Good Pick Up  
Thegratefulhead : 10/21/2016 4:55 pm : link
Very good pick up oon short notice, big leg.
Kickers can be so up and down who knows what we get  
steve in ky : 10/21/2016 5:01 pm : link
We may get a guy with a chip on his shoulder for having been cut and goes out and has a fantastic season trying to prove those people wrong or get am aging kicker who completely flops under the pressure of trying to prove those same people wrong.
It's hilarious  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/21/2016 5:04 pm : link
that we sign a kicker nearly 4 years younger than Brown and you guys act like he is ancient.

I don't remember a lot of concern about our "aging" kicker when Brown was on the roster, but the younger guy is too old.

Yes, Gould had a down year last year, but the decision to cut him was also influenced by his 2016 salary. We don't really know what we have in Gould, but I don't think his age is all that alarming.

LakeGeorgeGiant  
steve in ky : 10/21/2016 5:08 pm : link
I haven't read the entire thread but have people said they were alarmed by his age?

He is aging but plenty of kickers kick far beyond his age so we might strike gold who knows.

Also I thought he was cut largely for missing s few extra points this preseason as much as anything else.
Don't forget  
Big Rick in FL : 10/21/2016 5:22 pm : link
Gould kicked in Soldier field. Which is the toughest place to kick according to a lot of NFL kickers. So if he can succeed there I'm sure New York will be no problem.
A quick scan of the thread  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/21/2016 5:38 pm : link
and I see three references to "aging kicker", so yes, his age has certainly been made an issue in this thread and elsewhere.

I'm not saying he isn't on the back half of his career, but he is replacing a 38 year old.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/21/2016 5:38 pm : link
Net loss for the Giants.

Statistically, Josh Brown has been one of the most impressive place kickers in team history.
.....  
Route 9 : 10/21/2016 5:42 pm : link
Eh. Nothing excites me anymore. Just racial tension and discussions on domestic violence. Now THAT is interesting and exciting.
RE: A quick scan of the thread  
steve in ky : 10/21/2016 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13184294 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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and I see three references to "aging kicker", so yes, his age has certainly been made an issue in this thread and elsewhere.

I'm not saying he isn't on the back half of his career, but he is replacing a 38 year old.


I used the term because he is aging but I'm certainly not alarmed by it and while I can't speak for the others I doubt anyone is really alarmed by his age. Simply pointing out that you never really know what your getting with an aging kicker. At some point they begin to lose it and when that is can vary greatly with each kicker.

As I mentioned in my first post I'm hoping for a guy with a chip on his shoulder wanting to prove people wrong and ends up thriving on that but who knows. Whe shall see.
How much of an "upgrade" are you expecting?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/21/2016 5:53 pm : link
Brown was a very, very good kicker. There was literally nothing that anyone was calling to be changed.

It's not like you're getting a Janikowski in his prime leg talent now.
Brown was >90% kicker for us  
adamg : 10/21/2016 5:53 pm : link
So it's a lower quality guy. That said, Gould is very average (85ish%) which is fine. We should be fine with him. He missed 2 in the 30-39 range and another 2 in the 40-49 range last year. He's not an upgrade by any means.

Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
RE: RE: On the field, couldn't get much better than Josh Brown  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/21/2016 6:04 pm : link
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Yeah, a dick off the field, but am I excited by what Gould brings to the field in place of Brown? Not really.



Disagree. On the field, Brown's middle of the pack at best. I'd take all these guys over him without thinking twice:

Gostkowski
Vinatieri
Justin Tucker
Dan Bailey
Dustin Hopkins
Matt Bryant
Josh Lambo
Mason Crosby
Brandon McManus
Graham Gano
Steven Hauschka

Could argue over some of these:
Mike Nugent
Nick Novak
Matt Prater
Janikowski
Greg Zuerlein
Cairo Santos
Chandler Catanzaro



You're welcome to your own opinion, but there's literally no point of data you could use to back that up with.
RE: Brown was >90% kicker for us  
Stan in LA : 10/21/2016 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13184305 adamg said:
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So it's a lower quality guy. That said, Gould is very average (85ish%) which is fine. We should be fine with him. He missed 2 in the 30-39 range and another 2 in the 40-49 range last year. He's not an upgrade by any means.

Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.

But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.
Kicker is the least of the worries on this team  
ZogZerg : 10/21/2016 6:10 pm : link
This team is an undisciplined mess that loves to give the ball away.
Unfortunately I disagree. Giants seem to play so many games  
Jimmy Googs : 10/21/2016 6:30 pm : link
that come down to the wire, field goal-deciding games seem inevitable..
Gould is best available for London on short notice  
Ivan15 : 10/21/2016 7:19 pm : link
Move on unless you want to argue that Brown should have been cut in August or that the Giants should have lined up kickers last week and told all of them to get passports.
The current situation is the very definition of being....  
Crispino : 10/21/2016 8:18 pm : link
in a pinch. To get a guy with Gould's pedigree on such short notice is a very good get, IMO.
If he just makes the kicks he's SUPPOSED to make  
David B. : 10/21/2016 9:15 pm : link
He'll be fine. Anything beyond that would be gravy.
Answer  
Percy : 10/21/2016 11:08 pm : link
No.
RE: The current situation is the very definition of being....  
steve in ky : 10/21/2016 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13184420 Crispino said:
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in a pinch. To get a guy with Gould's pedigree on such short notice is a very good get, IMO.


Exactly
hope you are equally excited about his kickoffs  
HomerJones45 : 10/22/2016 12:32 am : link
that's why the Bears let him go.
RE: RE: Brown was >90% kicker for us  
adamg : 10/22/2016 12:37 am : link
In comment 13184309 Stan in LA said:
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So it's a lower quality guy. That said, Gould is very average (85ish%) which is fine. We should be fine with him. He missed 2 in the 30-39 range and another 2 in the 40-49 range last year. He's not an upgrade by any means.

Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.


But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.


During his time with the Giants, that's 3 full seasons plus the 5 games from this year, Brown has a 91.7% FGP. Gould has never broken 90% in a season. It's not an upgrade in any conceivable way.
RE: ...  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/22/2016 3:10 am : link
In comment 13184296 Eric from BBI said:
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Net loss for the Giants.

Statistically, Josh Brown has been one of the most impressive place kickers in team history.


Brown has been exceptional with the Giants for sure. Can't be improved upon.

But as that's good as he's been, the full body of Gould's work gives me much more confidence when a big kick is coming up. So I'm not really comparing who was better last year. I'm saying I think Gould is going to be a plus for us moving forward, in confidence and in practice.
Strictly speaking  
RetroJint : 10/22/2016 7:27 am : link
without any consideration for his criminal behavior, Brown has been the best kicker in Giants history. That can be said with mathematical certainty. And although he has kicked for them during a time of unrivalled, league field goal accuracy, it is also true that Brown's career FG % with the Giants is the highest ever for a kicker with one team. Furthermore his kick-off touchback rate has been consistent to league norms.

Gould has costed the Bears several games over the last couple seasons, missing FGAs in the 40s range. Therefore, I am not optimistic about this tradeoff in place kickers. Additionally, because he is rusty, Gould could very well cost the Giants a game tomorrow, a game I expect to be very close.
RE: RE: Brown was >90% kicker for us  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/22/2016 7:56 am : link
In comment 13184309 Stan in LA said:
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So it's a lower quality guy. That said, Gould is very average (85ish%) which is fine. We should be fine with him. He missed 2 in the 30-39 range and another 2 in the 40-49 range last year. He's not an upgrade by any means.

Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.


But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.


Don't ever change.
Net Loss for sure..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/22/2016 10:18 am : link
but at least he is a known quantity lets hope he
doesn't cost us the game .
Would be nice to win a game going away instead of biting
are fingernails off in the closing seconds .
Brown was the best kicker in Giants history?  
widmerseyebrow : 10/22/2016 11:08 am : link
I don't know you can say that with certainty when he never had to make a playoff level pressure kick his entire time here.

It's nice to have a kicker who can boot regular season field goals at a high clip, but history has shown that half of those guys melt down in the playoffs when the stakes are highest.
Robbie Gould  
Big Rick in FL : 10/22/2016 11:16 am : link
Wasn't cut because of performance. He was cut because he had a 4.1 million dollar cap hit. They replaced him with Connor Barth whose missed 3 FGs already this year and is a 75% Kicker. Bears fans are rightfully pissed that the team was so cheap. Gould was 85% Kicker last year. While kicking half his games in the hardest stadium to kick.
Gould has been around enough that he should be fine.  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2016 11:36 am : link
Hopefully he gets a chance to kick something that makes a difference, but its short enough so no problems. That'll give him a nice boost of confidence and welcome him onto team...
I ve never  
joeinpa : 10/22/2016 12:14 pm : link
forgiven Brown for the miss against the Jets

Excited to have Gould on board
RE: I ve never  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2016 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13184680 joeinpa said:
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forgiven Brown for the miss against the Jets



Yeah, that kick would have gotten us into the playoffs where we definitely would have moved onto the Superbowl...
Gould is a guy with a strong leg  
Vanzetti : 10/22/2016 1:15 pm : link
who is very good from 50+ but has also missed a lot of big kicks from closer in

That said, it is very fortunate that a kicker with his resume was available midseason
Brown, % wise,  
Doomster : 10/22/2016 1:17 pm : link
was very good.....but when we really needed him to step up in the Jets game last year, he came up short....

Gould is young, and hungry.....he is playing for next year's contract.....unfortunately, lately Giant's doing that, don't seem to come up big...
See Jimmy  
joeinpa : 10/22/2016 2:34 pm : link
You just don t get it. That kick could have meant a victory over the Jets, and one more week of a game that meant something.

I love watching the Giants and it s more fun when they are still revelant. That kick Lupe have kept them relevant for one more week, so for me it meant something. For fans who would only really care if the team is a Super Bowl contender it wasn't t.
RE: See Jimmy  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2016 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13184749 joeinpa said:
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You just don t get it. That kick could have meant a victory over the Jets, and one more week of a game that meant something.

I love watching the Giants and it s more fun when they are still revelant. That kick Lupe have kept them relevant for one more week, so for me it meant something. For fans who would only really care if the team is a Super Bowl contender it wasn't t.


You know, I actually agree with you on the relevancy concept completely. Just taking a cheap shot at your extreme post of "never forgave"...
I should have  
joeinpa : 10/22/2016 2:55 pm : link
Stated, never trusted
RE: I should have  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13184763 joeinpa said:
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Stated, never trusted


No worries. I felt he was going to miss that one anyway...it was that kind of year. :-)
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