This isn't another Josh Brown debate... just something about our current football team.
Gould is:
- The leading scorer in Bears history (1,118 points)
- The leader for most field goals in one season (33) in Bears history (2015)
- The Bears' leader for most consecutive 50+ yard field goals made (11 straight in 2013)
- The record holder for longest field goal in Bears history (58 yards in 2013)
- The 9th most accurate kicker in NFL history
Of course he's gonna miss 3 kicks now on Sunday, but we got a very successful player who isn't that old by kickers standards (34). Josh Brown was very good for us, but Gould has been great for a decade. I have a feeling he's gonna hit a very, very big kick for us at some point this year.
Excited is probably the last word I'd use to describe it.
Nice work, x. Now he's sure to be busted at Heathrow with a dozen syringes of HGH.
Meaningless stat.
Do you remember Ali Haji Sheikh? Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds. By '85 they were disgusted with him, by '87 he was out of football.
Sheikh stats - ( New Window )
Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.
Ummmm Gostowski has been missing lately. A few more misses and belechik would cut his ass in a minute
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.
Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.
you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.
thank you
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.
Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.
you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.
I admitted excited was a bit much, but your stat still didn't fit in this discussion, IMO. I say that respectfully. Your number implied it the amount of field goals doesn't matter because of an inordinate amount from close range, and that's not the case.
I agree here. Brown led the NFL in FG% last year from us, so I don't think we're any better.
But I do think Gould will get a chance to kick an important kick from long range that wouldn't have happened with Bronw.
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not named Gostkowski, Bailey or Tucker. Not much to be excited about.
Ummmm Gostowski has been missing lately. A few more misses and belechik would cut his ass in a minute
He's still 8 for 10 from <=49 yards and has missed just 2 XPs (in 520 attempts) in his career. I guess for him, that's a "slump". Also has TBs on 53% of his KOs, though that's probably a little low by design as he's given up 16.5 yards/return on his other 15 kicks. (I believe he's had a few intentional coffin corners to pin teams <25).
Disagree. On the field, Brown's middle of the pack at best. I'd take all these guys over him without thinking twice:
Gostkowski
Vinatieri
Justin Tucker
Dan Bailey
Dustin Hopkins
Matt Bryant
Josh Lambo
Mason Crosby
Brandon McManus
Graham Gano
Steven Hauschka
Could argue over some of these:
Mike Nugent
Nick Novak
Matt Prater
Janikowski
Greg Zuerlein
Cairo Santos
Chandler Catanzaro
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Kicked a shitload of FGs in 1983 when their drives stalled inside the 20, had an unusual amount of FGs from 20-29 yds.
Did you read the next post? Gould led the NFL in 50+ yarders, as well. So the only thing meaningless is your reference to a player who made his money under 30 yards out when I'm talking about a guy hitting a league-leading amount of long kicks in the process.
you want to get a woodrow over an aging kicker, have fun.
I admitted excited was a bit much, but your stat still didn't fit in this discussion, IMO. I say that respectfully. Your number implied it the amount of field goals doesn't matter because of an inordinate amount from close range, and that's not the case.
If he set the team record, it is relevant. has to be alot more than 7 FGs. but whatever, no big deal. Have a good weekend, let's hope they win
Yup, they need to score TDs. FGs will be extra risky with Gould/Wing having basically no practice together.
Especially when other being a repulsive wife-beater, Brown was pretty much money from like 53 yards in.
I don't remember a lot of concern about our "aging" kicker when Brown was on the roster, but the younger guy is too old.
Yes, Gould had a down year last year, but the decision to cut him was also influenced by his 2016 salary. We don't really know what we have in Gould, but I don't think his age is all that alarming.
He is aging but plenty of kickers kick far beyond his age so we might strike gold who knows.
Also I thought he was cut largely for missing s few extra points this preseason as much as anything else.
I'm not saying he isn't on the back half of his career, but he is replacing a 38 year old.
Statistically, Josh Brown has been one of the most impressive place kickers in team history.
I'm not saying he isn't on the back half of his career, but he is replacing a 38 year old.
I used the term because he is aging but I'm certainly not alarmed by it and while I can't speak for the others I doubt anyone is really alarmed by his age. Simply pointing out that you never really know what your getting with an aging kicker. At some point they begin to lose it and when that is can vary greatly with each kicker.
As I mentioned in my first post I'm hoping for a guy with a chip on his shoulder wanting to prove people wrong and ends up thriving on that but who knows. Whe shall see.
It's not like you're getting a Janikowski in his prime leg talent now.
Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
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Yeah, a dick off the field, but am I excited by what Gould brings to the field in place of Brown? Not really.
Disagree. On the field, Brown's middle of the pack at best. I'd take all these guys over him without thinking twice:
Gostkowski
Vinatieri
Justin Tucker
Dan Bailey
Dustin Hopkins
Matt Bryant
Josh Lambo
Mason Crosby
Brandon McManus
Graham Gano
Steven Hauschka
Could argue over some of these:
Mike Nugent
Nick Novak
Matt Prater
Janikowski
Greg Zuerlein
Cairo Santos
Chandler Catanzaro
You're welcome to your own opinion, but there's literally no point of data you could use to back that up with.
Brown is a top 10 kicker btw. Don't know what the haters are talking about. His talent hasn't been in question.
But career Brown is only 83.6. So Gould's an upgrade.