NFT: 10,000 veterans ordered to pay back enlistment bonuses

I wouldn't send back a dime.

I just hope they only have to pay back the amount after taxes where taken out

In comment 13184824 Jints in Carolina said:

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I wouldn't send back a dime.

They'll garnish your paycheck or tax refunds. You have no choice.

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In comment 13184828 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 13184824 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: I wouldn't send back a dime. They'll garnish your paycheck or tax refunds. You have no choice.

god bless america

Absolutely disgraceful

Their leaders may have triggered this but it's the Pentagon who is pushing that burden onto people who seem to have acted in good faith and fulfilled their obligations.

In comment 13184833 Dunedin81 said:

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Their leaders may have triggered this but it's the Pentagon who is pushing that burden onto people who seem to have acted in good faith and fulfilled their obligations.

And just who's Pentagon is that?

In comment 13184833 Dunedin81 said:

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people who seem to have acted in good faith and fulfilled their obligations.

- and risked their lives for their fellow citizens. I'm surprised there isn't a legal defense of some kind, like estoppel. How can the government change its position after putting these folks in harm's way?

dollars in fake ISIS propaganda but this $150 million was just to much to handle? And because they suddenly feel that they were too liberal with their original deal?

Seriously, fuck this country.

Californication!

Who has ever served, has been overpaid, and knows the drill. Once they figure out you've been over paid out it comes... Even if you know you've been over paid and bring it to their attention...you have to go through waiting game... they're going to take it back... and its usually at the most inopportune time. I had a young airman who worked for me, and was over paid for six months and never figured out until his pay check was a bit short... like the whole check... took half a day to work out a payback, that let him and his family make ends meet.

In comment 13184845 Jerry from Maine said:

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Who has ever served, has been overpaid, and knows the drill. Once they figure out you've been over paid out it comes... Even if you know you've been over paid and bring it to their attention...you have to go through waiting game... they're going to take it back... and its usually at the most inopportune time. I had a young airman who worked for me, and was over paid for six months and never figured out until his pay check was a bit short... like the whole check... took half a day to work out a payback, that let him and his family make ends meet.

I get what you are saying...if you are overpaid, but that's not how I'm reading it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like they just decided that they gave more than they originally wanted or agreed to, and now want it back. Either way, with the disgusting amount of money this country just pisses down the toilet, I think this is horrible. But then again, it's right in line with how this country treats their vets.

We both received advanced pay for travel. My wife was assigned which meant the vast majority of that travel pay (much of which was spent on a rental car) was recouped at the exact same time we had to establish a new apartment in the DC area. It was one of the most difficult stretches of our married life.

with the amount of waste I read about involving the military you'd think someone could find away to just fix the glitch and move forward.

and if the glitch was already fixed, this is the kind of thing I wouldn't mind being buried.

I've read it a few and don't agree with results but someone decided to go around the system and pay people who were not eligible, and is now in jail. I don't know if the payments can be absolved or not... It sucks...

government, it's amazing anyone signs up. What is this, 50 million or less? They waste more than that daily.

In comment 13184855 pjcas18 said:

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with the amount of waste I read about involving the military you'd think someone could find away to just fix the glitch and move forward. and if the glitch was already fixed, this is the kind of thing I wouldn't mind being buried.

One of innumerable present threats to morale. It's a rough time to be in, a variety of the command climate surveys have borne this out.

extra 0 in my post above. Ironically, I'm sure someone in the government will get a nice bonus for getting these bonuses back.

Different "pots of money." Every cost is appropriated a specific way and the military can't take from one pot to put in another. All the pots are empty anyway, but they're constantly finding ways to make the pot they pay us with smaller.

Patriots who sacrificed for this country and enlisted get shafted. And i am sure worthless and lazy pos that are a drain on this country can continue collecting there welfare checks and food stamps. I love this country to death but there are things that are just wrong with the entire system.

On Election Day!

Odds are 1 in 100

I know plenty who served in Iraq and my best buddy was a Afghanistan sniper. Shit like that sticks in there heads forever, killing hundreds for our country and then come home sick as dogs at times mentally and now they recover a bit 10 years later and oops you gotta pay back us some of that money we paid you to go overseas and kill people for us, that'd be great K thanks .

In comment 13184995 Kivorkian said:

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On Election Day!

You should kill yourself on election day!

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I mean, we're talking 4 Patriot missiles people, Lord knows we can't go on and carry out the mission without those 4 missiles, might as well just close up shop.

That's what I would do. Hell no law and order there.

Active duty and vets have been complaining about shit like this for a decade plus.

a disgrace!

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In comment 13184995 Kivorkian said: Quote: On Election Day! I will after I'm assured a male has won. Please pray for me. You should kill yourself on election day!

In comment 13184863 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 13184855 pjcas18 said: Quote: with the amount of waste I read about involving the military you'd think someone could find away to just fix the glitch and move forward. and if the glitch was already fixed, this is the kind of thing I wouldn't mind being buried. One of innumerable present threats to morale. It's a rough time to be in, a variety of the command climate surveys have borne this out.

It is getting bad in the units I have a feeling it will only get worse in the coming years. Between cuts in funding and training dollars and the BCT reorganization going on in the Army and throw in all the social experiments going on and its not a fun time to be in the military.

About the military I have read. These guardsmen were tricked into reenlisting by a group of people needing to make numbers, and now they're the ones suffering financial hardship because of it. How many of these guardsman wouldn't have reenlisted if these fraudulent bonuses weren't offered? And even though these brace souls carried out their side of the deal, they will still have to pay back.

And while we like to poopoo the government (and some assholes can't help themselves in making this a partisan bullshit), legally they can't do much to alleviate the financial burden now that it's been audited. And while those responsible for the fraud are in jail, there is nothing that feels good about this entire situation.

It's never fun during garrison times even if serving during wartimes is hard as hell for many. But morale being low is relative, and the beast will get its continued sacrifices.

In comment 13185081 RC02XX said:

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It's never fun during garrison times even if serving during wartimes is hard as hell for many. But morale being low is relative, and the beast will get its continued sacrifices.

The B/G/C are better aired over a beer than here, but the complaints I hear (and my own) involve a lot of things that weren't front and center when I started.

About your time just as many of us also do. No one is questioning them. However, for the most part, the military has been good to so many of us even through these terrible stories. If it wasn't, you and others would have left long ago.

I probably would have left after my last deployment.

In comment 13185101 Dunedin81 said:

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I probably would have left after my last deployment.

And I don't mean to insinuate anything by my response other than to point out that stories like this makes it seem like our service members get fucked left and right, but for the most part, the military has been good to most. And morale being low is relative as many will say otherwise depending on what service, unit, and MOS they fall into.

In comment 13184864 PhiPsi125 said:

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extra 0 in my post above. Ironically, I'm sure someone in the government will get a nice bonus for getting these bonuses back.

Add an extra 0? Sounds like government work all right!

These guys acted in good faith... they fulfilled their end on the service side. What a POS this government is.

Only in this country would this happen
Disgraceful

a dollar each, there are probably more than 15 million people who would do that.

In comment 13185230 buford said:

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a dollar each, there are probably more than 15 million people who would do that.

Of course you could. It's called 'stop this nonsense and just recover the lost funds via tax revenues'. Whoever dreamed up this scheme deserves a beating.

The contracting party wouldn't be able to demand its money back if the contract had been fulfilled if the fraud or mistake had been on the part of the contracting party's agents.

Yeah, unless the over payment was due to some act or omission by the person reenlisting - how do you make them pay back a benefit they received based on a contract they signed in good faith and completely fulfilled their obligation?

If anyone should pay it back, it should the person who made the mistake or played a role in the mistake. Personally, and not to make this political, if the President can give amnesty to felons, then he should tell DOD to forgive the debt.

to collect on the improper bonuses. Though the article makes it sound like they may resume at some point when he's "satisfied that our process is working effectively."
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In comment 13191730 Mad Mike said:

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to collect on the improper bonuses. Though the article makes it sound like they may resume at some point when he's "satisfied that our process is working effectively." link - ( New Window )

It's probably a non-starter. They'll "fix" it legislatively if they try again. But what's important to emphasize is that while this was large-scale and got press things like this happen all the time. Accidental overpayment that DFAS "fixes" (with no notice) by raiding paychecks. Every now and again they'll "go viral" but in some way, shape or form this bullshit is pretty commonplace.

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