I have not had the flu in the last 42 years so I don't get shots. Had a swine flu vaccine in high school and I have never had the flu since. Checked with some of my classmates a couple months ago on facebook and they haven't had the flu since the vaccine. They don't bother with flu shots either.
But, unless you're elderly and the flu can kill you, what's the upside to getting the flu shot? Aren't your odds of getting the flu about as good (or bad) as the odds of the flu shot being effective? My understanding of the flu vaccine is that there's generally several strains and if the vaccine isn't for the strains going around, it's quite effective, but if it's the wrong strain it's basically no good.
Anyway, sorry you had a bad reaction. My understanding is that those bad reactions are very rare. So maybe buy a lottery ticket because you're bucking the probability gods.
flu vaccines are toxin based and always leave behind certain remnants that can remain in the soft tissues of the body for many years to a lifetime...one of my favorites is the Bird Flu med that the U S government pumped billions into stockpiling some 10 years ago. The chemical base used for that one is Methylene Chloride Technical Cyclohexene listed as a Poison , by Dow, quite the cocktail. Big downside is that for the most part it doesn't work very well .
blood in the urine shouldn't have anything to do with a flu shot. Get it checked out. Seriously. Hopefully something as benign as a kidney stone. Although those of us that suffer with kidney stones rarely use the word "benign" while having an attack.
flu vaccines are toxin based and always leave behind certain remnants that can remain in the soft tissues of the body for many years to a lifetime...one of my favorites is the Bird Flu med that the U S government pumped billions into stockpiling some 10 years ago. The chemical base used for that one is Methylene Chloride Technical Cyclohexene listed as a Poison , by Dow, quite the cocktail. Big downside is that for the most part it doesn't work very well .
This is the pivot for the anti-vaxxers - since the autism issue has been put to rest. Ignore...
With that said my wife got one two years ago and the fucking asshole who administered it shot into her high up on her arm near the top of the shoulder almost into the rotator cuff region. It left her with so much pain and discomfort that she had to go for therapy. They told her it most likely hit a nerve by the way she reacted, where the needle was placed, and the symptoms she was having and it may take a good year for her arm to work its way back to normal. Well, she's doing fine now but like they told her it took a good long year for the arm to recover.
What pisses me off is the fucking moron who gave the shot injured her and our insurance had to pay the freight. So if and when anyone out there gets one make sure they put that needle in the meat of your arm.
And it sounds like some sort of issue with the physical injection itself, for the vast majority of people reporting issues after the flu shot, it's either psychological or coincidental.
Also, it's not true that the flu can't kill you if you're not elderly. Especially if you haven't had the shot is decades. If you...forget about you, if someone you care about, is unvaccinated, then prove you care and get them vaccinated. Flu is a killer. People here have gone into panic about Ebola or Zika but flu is a greater scourge.
Having said that, it's not for certain that thus year's vaccine is completely the right fit for this year's flu and thus it's not certain that protection is complete. But even partial protection is a benefit.
But, unless you're elderly and the flu can kill you, what's the upside to getting the flu shot? Aren't your odds of getting the flu about as good (or bad) as the odds of the flu shot being effective? My understanding of the flu vaccine is that there's generally several strains and if the vaccine isn't for the strains going around, it's quite effective, but if it's the wrong strain it's basically no good.
Anyway, sorry you had a bad reaction. My understanding is that those bad reactions are very rare. So maybe buy a lottery ticket because you're bucking the probability gods.
Have you ever had the flu? I mean the real flu? Hell, I had a regular cold a few weeks ago and I'm still getting over it. And I've heard they are working on a cold vaccine. I will definitely get that.
your point is centered around autism , mine is not.
No, my point is clearly centered around the pivot away from autism and toward "toxins" that the anti-vaxxers have made. It's the same pseudo-science, dressed up differently...
supposedly lessens the severity and duration of the flu.
I had the flu once a few years ago and my doctor said feel what you're feeling now? and I said yes, he said without a flu shot it's a little worse and a couple days longer. Well worth it. the problem, from what I have read is depending on the strain of the flu is how effective the flu shot is, so it's sort of a precaution not a "this is definitely going to work" type thing.
When I was younger (up until probably 30) I had never had a flu shot and really never even been to the doctor. Now, I get the flu shot every year.
As has been said already, bloody urine is not a flu shot side effect so you need to get that checked out. The aches/pains certainly can be though
Secondly, in order to be maximally effective vaccines depend on herd immunity so everyone that can get one should get one. Also, the idea that the flu only kills the elderly is entirely untrue. I personally took care of a 40 year old man with no health issues that ended up in the ICU on ECMO (pretty much a bypass machine that functions as your lungs) from a simple bout of the flu.
my point did go after the flu issue because that's what the thread was about.
However because toxins are a integral part of that discussion so be my foray. I would not attempt to prove or disprove the values of toxins in relation to illness, just that chemicals are part of any toxin that are part of our daily lives and meds are in that equation.
And Buford, I'll give a couple more:
The chemical storage facility, I believe in W. Virginia, that leaked toxins into a stream awhile back set off a firestorm. As well it should because of where those toxins were going. The real issue that people should be aware of are the run-off related and the toxins that reach our water ways from a good rain onto our roadways and the direction they go. That is a far far greater issue and rarely if ever a part of any media event.
For all who seek any form of recreation on our nations roadways it should be known that it only takes a hot day and resulting thermals to release those toxins into the air you breathe. And it's not a single toxin that will do the damage, rather the addition of all toxins that we are faced with that will do the dammage
but a flu shot is a trade off. You get the vaccine and yes, there are some things in there that are not beneficial, but you don't get the flu that can kill you. Since most people who are against vaccines don't follow that through and try to limit other bad things in their life, it makes no sense to me.
but a flu shot is a trade off. You get the vaccine and yes, there are some things in there that are not beneficial, but you don't get the flu that can kill you. Since most people who are against vaccines don't follow that through and try to limit other bad things in their life, it makes no sense to me.
Quite a ludicrous assumption there that people who are concerned about vaccines don't limit bad things in their life, how could you possibly know that, laughable!
With the other vaccines, failing to get one is not conspiracism or stupidity (as are failures to get the standard childhood vaccines). It's an educated guess as to what strand(s) will predominate in a given year, and sometimes they're wrong.
go back to my posting history and you'll see the entire effort on my part to inform on the toxic issue, look before you snipe.
Your current posting history only shows this thread, not that it matters. It only matters what you're saying now on this thread. The idea that immunizations are bad because they contain toxins is hooey,
With the other vaccines, failing to get one is not conspiracism or stupidity (as are failures to get the standard childhood vaccines). It's an educated guess as to what strand(s) will predominate in a given year, and sometimes they're wrong.
Even when their guess on the predominant statins are wrong, the shot still can provide protection.
It's not only about protecting you. It's about protecting
last year I got my flu shot on a Wednesday and by Monday I had the Clap. Granted I nailed some skeevy plumper bareback on Thursday, Friday, Saturday that I met at Applebee's, but she assured me she was clean.
Never getting a flu shot again.
RE: It's not only about protecting you. It's about protecting
the most vulnerable in our populations, some of whom cannot get the shot, and some of whom will be very adversely affected by the flu.
I get herd immunity, and we ended up getting the shot, but with the flu vaccine it's a near run thing. We have one daughter whose immune system has been historically weaker, though at this point it is probably close to normal, and another who has had some on again/off again health concerns. For the dread childhood diseases it's an easy decision, albeit on a delayed schedule recommended by the peds for the youngest. For the flu? It's a closer case and a conversation we have with the peds every year.
last year I got my flu shot on a Wednesday and by Monday I had the Clap. Granted I nailed some skeevy plumper bareback on Thursday, Friday, Saturday that I met at Applebee's, but she assured me she was clean.
Never getting a flu shot again.
you pretty much reproduced an argument many people have used here before about not getting a flu shot.
then we'll use this thread, not once did I say vaccinations are bad because of toxins...again read my posts before attacking or are you angry about something else because we can talk about it.
With the other vaccines, failing to get one is not conspiracism or stupidity (as are failures to get the standard childhood vaccines). It's an educated guess as to what strand(s) will predominate in a given year, and sometimes they're wrong.
personally, I do think it's on par with those not getting the other vaccines. I would guess its the fact that it's a yearly thing that makes people think it isn't, but there's an actually biological reason for why it has to be an annual thing. And, I get your point, but I wouldn't call it an "educated guess" because there's a lot of epidemiological and biological thought that goes into preparing each year's vaccine. It's an informed prediction that does not always match the strain because the vaccine has to be made well in advance of the disease, but it's not a guess. Anyway. More often than not prior vaccination plus The current vaccine formulation affords some protection, hence, pj's experience that getting the flu is more modest than if you didn't get vaccinated. I would say, that if they match it exactly, almost everyone would have no symptoms at all.
last year I got my flu shot on a Wednesday and by Monday I had the Clap. Granted I nailed some skeevy plumper bareback on Thursday, Friday, Saturday that I met at Applebee's, but she assured me she was clean.
Never getting a flu shot again.
Geez next time try a condom with the flu, spermicide lubricant. This is common sense and widely known. Works against all kinds of skeevy plumpers...
Require their employees who interact with the public to be vaccinated. Alternatively they can be reassigned to a task where they don't interface, or they can wear a mask. I think all places where you interact with the public should do that. A mask at least.
is a syndrome I obtained 3 Octobers ago. I had difficulty walking for 3 or 4 months. My legs are still weak. Does not sound like it is what you have though. Good luck.
Althoihh, my team lead at work did say that after his flu shot, he almost called out sick from work.
Although, my team lead at work did say that after his flu shot, he almost called out sick from work.
Anyway, sorry you had a bad reaction. My understanding is that those bad reactions are very rare. So maybe buy a lottery ticket because you're bucking the probability gods.
This is the pivot for the anti-vaxxers - since the autism issue has been put to rest. Ignore...
What pisses me off is the fucking moron who gave the shot injured her and our insurance had to pay the freight. So if and when anyone out there gets one make sure they put that needle in the meat of your arm.
Also, it's not true that the flu can't kill you if you're not elderly. Especially if you haven't had the shot is decades. If you...forget about you, if someone you care about, is unvaccinated, then prove you care and get them vaccinated. Flu is a killer. People here have gone into panic about Ebola or Zika but flu is a greater scourge.
Having said that, it's not for certain that thus year's vaccine is completely the right fit for this year's flu and thus it's not certain that protection is complete. But even partial protection is a benefit.
That's my PSA
Anyway, sorry you had a bad reaction. My understanding is that those bad reactions are very rare. So maybe buy a lottery ticket because you're bucking the probability gods.
Have you ever had the flu? I mean the real flu? Hell, I had a regular cold a few weeks ago and I'm still getting over it. And I've heard they are working on a cold vaccine. I will definitely get that.
No, my point is clearly centered around the pivot away from autism and toward "toxins" that the anti-vaxxers have made. It's the same pseudo-science, dressed up differently...
I had the flu once a few years ago and my doctor said feel what you're feeling now? and I said yes, he said without a flu shot it's a little worse and a couple days longer. Well worth it. the problem, from what I have read is depending on the strain of the flu is how effective the flu shot is, so it's sort of a precaution not a "this is definitely going to work" type thing.
When I was younger (up until probably 30) I had never had a flu shot and really never even been to the doctor. Now, I get the flu shot every year.
I have never had a reaction to it.
Secondly, in order to be maximally effective vaccines depend on herd immunity so everyone that can get one should get one. Also, the idea that the flu only kills the elderly is entirely untrue. I personally took care of a 40 year old man with no health issues that ended up in the ICU on ECMO (pretty much a bypass machine that functions as your lungs) from a simple bout of the flu.
Because last year was a statistical outlier?
However because toxins are a integral part of that discussion so be my foray. I would not attempt to prove or disprove the values of toxins in relation to illness, just that chemicals are part of any toxin that are part of our daily lives and meds are in that equation.
And Buford, I'll give a couple more:
The chemical storage facility, I believe in W. Virginia, that leaked toxins into a stream awhile back set off a firestorm. As well it should because of where those toxins were going. The real issue that people should be aware of are the run-off related and the toxins that reach our water ways from a good rain onto our roadways and the direction they go. That is a far far greater issue and rarely if ever a part of any media event.
For all who seek any form of recreation on our nations roadways it should be known that it only takes a hot day and resulting thermals to release those toxins into the air you breathe. And it's not a single toxin that will do the damage, rather the addition of all toxins that we are faced with that will do the dammage
Quite a ludicrous assumption there that people who are concerned about vaccines don't limit bad things in their life, how could you possibly know that, laughable!
Are there toxins in vaccines? Sure are. Are you planning to get several hundred flu shots? Because otherwise, it doesn't matter.
There are toxins in the air. Are you also advising we stop breathing?
Your current posting history only shows this thread, not that it matters. It only matters what you're saying now on this thread. The idea that immunizations are bad because they contain toxins is hooey,
Even when their guess on the predominant statins are wrong, the shot still can provide protection.
Never getting a flu shot again.
I get herd immunity, and we ended up getting the shot, but with the flu vaccine it's a near run thing. We have one daughter whose immune system has been historically weaker, though at this point it is probably close to normal, and another who has had some on again/off again health concerns. For the dread childhood diseases it's an easy decision, albeit on a delayed schedule recommended by the peds for the youngest. For the flu? It's a closer case and a conversation we have with the peds every year.
Never getting a flu shot again.
Never getting a flu shot again.
Geez next time try a condom with the flu, spermicide lubricant. This is common sense and widely known. Works against all kinds of skeevy plumpers...