Yes, we are all happy we won. Any win is a good win. But what the fuck happened to this offense? We complete almost two-thirds of our passes but we averaged just over 8 yards a completion and just over 5 yards an attempt. This has to change.
Eli and the O will snap out of it..McAdoo needs to loosen up his ass and get creative OR, hand over the PC to Sullivan(not that that would be a huge improvement)..
The good news for this fan? While we and McAdoo are finding our way, we're at least in the thick of it re playoff contention..
but we had shitty field position most of the day, and we pulled in the reins once our defense gained the upper hand on Keenum. These London games typically suck anyway - NFL needs to give it a rest. Landon Collins makes an incredible play and it draws polite applause from the Brits.
The Eagles are over-rated. Agreed, they'll beat the Giants if the Giants bring this same garbage on offense, but beat-down? Doubt it.
They very fact that both you and I look at it objectively as a a very winnable game is precisely why I see a beat down coming. Just par for the course the last few seasons. The eagles in recent history always get up for the Giants game and the Giants seem to go between playing average for them to playing awful. A bye week to prepare and coming off a win? Sets it up perfectly for the consistently inconsistent Giants to shit the bed.
in the NFL, they lost their best pass catching RB (sorry, Rainey), and they can't even go 4 wide and try to blow the top off because of their OL. It's pretty clear their #2 WR has lost a step and isn't really all that suited to be playing outside with any consistency anymore as well.
This isn't a 2013 situation where it's a lost cause, but they've got a lot to figure out this bye week and try to cover for going forward. Most teams aren't going to do them a solid like Baltimore almost did.
poor OL play. There was no running game once again, and only Eli's ability to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball very quickly kept him from being sacked on more than one occasion. He had almost no time to throw today.
RE: RE: Eli is actually 2nd in the NFL in pass yards right now.... Â
True but do you not agree that this offense isn't very efficient?
Well, it's for the reason I mentioned.. our run game is horrid. It's tough to have a great pass attack when no one is afraid of you running the football.
run options are limited to variations of the shotgun draw. Really, we should be running more screen passes off of play action (instead of shotgun draws), but there simply isn't a lot there to work with in terms of play variations.
I get that McAdoo is trying to put his best offensive threats out there (the 3 wide), but we have problems there, too. We miss having a speed burner on the opposite side of OBJ...neither Cruz or SS are deep downfield threats at this point. And our TE's are average (Tye) to awful (Donnell).
Deep threats won't matter if the line can't hold up, and this line is having issues with the 2 seconds Eli has now. We need to take the bye to get Beatty in there, either swapping him and Flowers around, or getting him at RT. May want to put the Canadian kid at center too...Richburg simply is having too many issues at center in the power runs.
So, my fixes for the running game would be:
1) If Beatty is ready, get him in at LT over the bye, switch Flowers to RT, put Brett Jones in at center, sit Richburg.
2) Get a Fullback. There has to be someone on a practice squad, or free agent. Or use Adams as a hybrid TE.
3) Sit Cruz, make SS the full time Slot, and put Lewis or King opposite OBJ.
4) Get Eli behind center, save the Shotgun for end of half/game. Use Perkins as a 3rd down back, Jennings and Darkwa otherwise.
I'm not coach, though, so I expect things to remain the same.
But my best guess is, believe it or not, Will Johnson may have been a bigger loss than we thought.
As LT'56 noted in his other thread, we're constantly doing these draw plays that go nowhere. Johnson is a great blocking fullback, and we lost a big opportunity to have success on the ground with him as our lead blocker, IMO.
From there, that would naturally open up the pass more.
We can't run it at all. I think if he were here we'd be running it much better and defenses wouldn't be able to sit in these cover 2s against us all the time.
But the problem with it is that you also risk a quick 3 and out and in a game like today, we really needed our offense to spend some time on the field after the way it started with the defense out there almost the entire first quarter.
Defense is playing better and we get time off to rest and maybe get Darius Thompson back.Their defense is very good. Wenzhou starting to look a bit like a rookie,
The short passing game and run game. Cruz and Donnell dropped and fumbled away opportunities. Eli managed game well and didn't make any major mistakes but accuracy was inconsistent and got rid of the ball too quickly at times. Play calling was inconsistent:The third and one pass attempt for 25 yards is infuriating.
A ton of guys into coverage because we don't have a run game. It's time to play Perkins & get more touches for Rainey/Darkwa. Jennings just isn't cutting it. He's hesitant & has never had the speed to get outside. Our opponents know we are going to run inside the tackles. That's what is killing this offense IMO. Let Perkins play. Bring in Rashad to block on 3rd down. They need to try & find a Fullback. Also I'd try to make a trade for a TE.
I jus can't believe Will Johnson was a big part of the plan, he gets hurt, and they screw it, we're not using a fullback at all?
Well the problem was that we really didn't have anyone else with the same skillset. I don't think Whitlock would have made much difference.. and I'm not really sure who is available at this point.
I think Macadoo needs to make a commitment to WCO principles in the short game or not. Everything short to sub the run gets eaten up so easily. It amazes me we don't get anything productive from even our WRs in the short game.
The good news for this fan? While we and McAdoo are finding our way, we're at least in the thick of it re playoff contention..
Beckham toughed it out. we have no TEs
and still won.
One game at a time. Giants need to improve but for now we're ok. Relax for two weeks.
Said the same on the post-game thread. I cannot remember a good/well played game.
For what it's worth, London games are typically high-scoring.
» 2016: Jaguars 30, Colts 27
» 2015: Chiefs 45, Lions 10
» 2015: Jaguars 34, Bills 31
» 2015: Jets 27, Dolphins 14
» 2014: Cowboys 31, Jaguars 17
» 2014: Lions 22, Falcons 21
» 2014: Dolphins 38, Raiders 14
» 2013: 49ers 42, Jaguars 10
» 2013: Vikings 34, Steelers 27
» 2012: Patriots 45, Rams 7
» 2011: Bears 24, Buccaneers 18
» 2010: 49ers 24, Broncos 16
» 2009: Patriots 35, Buccaneers 7
» 2008: Saints 37, Chargers 32
» 2007: Giants 13, Dolphins 10
» 2005: Cardinals 31, 49ers 14
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Does anyone play well in London?
For what it's worth, London games are typically high-scoring.
» 2016: Jaguars 30, Colts 27
» 2015: Chiefs 45, Lions 10
» 2015: Jaguars 34, Bills 31
» 2015: Jets 27, Dolphins 14
» 2014: Cowboys 31, Jaguars 17
» 2014: Lions 22, Falcons 21
» 2014: Dolphins 38, Raiders 14
» 2013: 49ers 42, Jaguars 10
» 2013: Vikings 34, Steelers 27
» 2012: Patriots 45, Rams 7
» 2011: Bears 24, Buccaneers 18
» 2010: 49ers 24, Broncos 16
» 2009: Patriots 35, Buccaneers 7
» 2008: Saints 37, Chargers 32
» 2007: Giants 13, Dolphins 10
» 2005: Cardinals 31, 49ers 14
lol Pats play well over there..no excuse
True but do you not agree that this offense isn't very efficient?
The Eagles are over-rated. Agreed, they'll beat the Giants if the Giants bring this same garbage on offense, but beat-down? Doubt it.
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Of our beloved giants.
The Eagles are over-rated. Agreed, they'll beat the Giants if the Giants bring this same garbage on offense, but beat-down? Doubt it.
They very fact that both you and I look at it objectively as a a very winnable game is precisely why I see a beat down coming. Just par for the course the last few seasons. The eagles in recent history always get up for the Giants game and the Giants seem to go between playing average for them to playing awful. A bye week to prepare and coming off a win? Sets it up perfectly for the consistently inconsistent Giants to shit the bed.
OL has been ok.
This isn't a 2013 situation where it's a lost cause, but they've got a lot to figure out this bye week and try to cover for going forward. Most teams aren't going to do them a solid like Baltimore almost did.
There's no magic imagination or secret hidden plays coming to save the season.
Our play action is comical. Our push upfront is comical.
Except VC lead the team in receiving.....
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how invisible Sheppard and Cruz were? WTF unless I missed something on the injury report.
Except VC lead the team in receiving.....
Stop with facts! It ruins EVERYTHING.
by Philly . The Season will be over 2 weeks into November .
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True but do you not agree that this offense isn't very efficient?
Well, it's for the reason I mentioned.. our run game is horrid. It's tough to have a great pass attack when no one is afraid of you running the football.
I get that McAdoo is trying to put his best offensive threats out there (the 3 wide), but we have problems there, too. We miss having a speed burner on the opposite side of OBJ...neither Cruz or SS are deep downfield threats at this point. And our TE's are average (Tye) to awful (Donnell).
Deep threats won't matter if the line can't hold up, and this line is having issues with the 2 seconds Eli has now. We need to take the bye to get Beatty in there, either swapping him and Flowers around, or getting him at RT. May want to put the Canadian kid at center too...Richburg simply is having too many issues at center in the power runs.
So, my fixes for the running game would be:
1) If Beatty is ready, get him in at LT over the bye, switch Flowers to RT, put Brett Jones in at center, sit Richburg.
2) Get a Fullback. There has to be someone on a practice squad, or free agent. Or use Adams as a hybrid TE.
3) Sit Cruz, make SS the full time Slot, and put Lewis or King opposite OBJ.
4) Get Eli behind center, save the Shotgun for end of half/game. Use Perkins as a 3rd down back, Jennings and Darkwa otherwise.
I'm not coach, though, so I expect things to remain the same.
As LT'56 noted in his other thread, we're constantly doing these draw plays that go nowhere. Johnson is a great blocking fullback, and we lost a big opportunity to have success on the ground with him as our lead blocker, IMO.
From there, that would naturally open up the pass more.
We can't run it at all. I think if he were here we'd be running it much better and defenses wouldn't be able to sit in these cover 2s against us all the time.
Well the problem was that we really didn't have anyone else with the same skillset. I don't think Whitlock would have made much difference.. and I'm not really sure who is available at this point.
Be happy or don't be happy. Pick a side.