The division is closer (probably better) than first anticipated, and teams within the division will beat up on each other enough to eliminate each other... other than the division champs of course.
I don't going 8-1 . Sweep Philly No !
Dallas Maybe . Split with the Skins Maybe .
Browns on the road we have not played them very well .
Pittsburgh and Cleveland on the road .
Cincy is no gimmie either ....
Face it, this is looking like an 8-8 maybe 9-7 team at this point. A decent QB on the rams today and we lose. Unless some changes are made this team is not going to sniff the playoffs.
I don't going 8-1 . Sweep Philly No !
Dallas Maybe . Split with the Skins Maybe .
Browns on the road we have not played them very well .
Pittsburgh and Cleveland on the road .
Cincy is no gimmie either ....
Seattle, Minnesota, Dallas all likely get to 11. Atlanta will win their division, but the NFC South is irrelevant otherwise. That leaves 2 spots for Green Bay, Philly, Arizona, Detroit, and Washington. 2 teams from this group will almost surely get to 10, and very possibly 11.
4-3 rarely looks as bleak as it does in this year's NFC. Giants need to rack up a lot of wins, especially in the division.
GB and Arizona will get to 9 wins. At least and so will Seattle and Minnesota. 10-6 is a decent bet but I believe we have a year where a 10-6 team may sit on the outside of the race due to tiebreaker.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
They shouldn't be 5-2. They easily could have lost in all 4 of their wins. Easily! It's a miracle we are 4-3. Let's be real here.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
They shouldn't be 5-2. They easily could have lost in all 4 of their wins. Easily! It's a miracle we are 4-3. Let's be real here.
And last year we would have.
Fact this team has been in every game going into the 4th quarter.
So I guess we are getting better
You are what your record says you are - Bill Parcels
I felt the Giants targeted 2017 and 2018 to try to hit contender status before the clock runs out on Eli. This year was meant to be competitive, with a chance at the playoffs. They stabilized the defense, which was a big undertaking from the disaster it was. They held their breath on the offensive line and so far have gotten burned because they can't run block and they can't pass block very long, so they are forced into these quick slants and outs and don't take advantage of their weapons. Losing their fullbacks killed any chance to power anything.
For 2016, all I want is for them to be competitive for a playoff spot right down to the final weeks of the season, be in the hunt, and maybe steal a spot.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
They shouldn't be 5-2. They easily could have lost in all 4 of their wins. Easily! It's a miracle we are 4-3. Let's be real here.
Ehh.. but did you really feel like we were "handed" any of those games by the other team? The bogus PI on DRC was the only reason the Ravens even had a chance to win late. We would have beaten New Orleans handily if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot 100 times.. the win against Dallas was close but it was a straight up win. Even if Terrance Williams goes out of bounds on that last catch it's like a 62 yard FG attempt. Keenum's last throw today was terrible but the defense played well.
If not for a million stupid penalties and turnovers, we should have beaten the Redskins. MIN beat us soundly.. the GB game was ridiculous for many reasons but I'm not going to chalk it up as one we "should have" won.
Do you think the Cowboys wound up with their 5 starters in 1-2 seasons? Tyron Smith was drafted in 2011.. Travis Frederick in 2013... Zack Martin in 2014. They signed La'el Collins in 2015. Free had been there for a while already.
The key to the Giants OL rebuild is going to be whether or not Flowers becomes a good OT. Richburg is also not playing particularly well but we've seen him play well enough in the past to assume this is probably just a hiccup. Pugh is an outstanding LG. Jerry isn't great but he's improved... Hart has been up and down.
If we hit on another OL in the next draft, we should be in pretty good shape.
Because of Eli.. they don't feel like they can. So they've tried to re-tool on the fly and patch holes and find ways to build units without burning everything down.
Still bot year 1 of the rebuild just because they have a new coach. They've been trying for years now.
The Giants had 2 fullbacks on the roster
Matt in SGS : 5:36 pm : link : reply
in the summer, and both got hurt. So they decided to go with TEs as H-backs, but neither can block very well. The OL was not upgraded in the offseason because there are only so many holes to fill.
Before the season I felt that the Giants organization is targeting looking to win it all in about 2 years, and the goal for this season is compete for a playoff spot. They are 4-3 and Dallas should come back to Earth, so they will end up likely being on their plan.
In 2017, they will need to go after OL upgrades and RB and take our chances. This team is what it is, around a .500 team, and with a few breaks can win 9 or even 10 games. But for now, the Giants are going to have to win ugly until they can fix their OL issues, which is what drives the poor run blocking and short route tree because the line can't hold up long enough to give Eli time.
This was posted on the other thread the poster nails it.
Was that they tried to squeeze another year or two out of the OL when it was evident that guys like Snee and Diehl were going to need to be replaced. The OL rebuild started later than it should have.
Because of Eli.. they don't feel like they can. So they've tried to re-tool on the fly and patch holes and find ways to build units without burning everything down.
Was that they tried to squeeze another year or two out of the OL when it was evident that guys like Snee and Diehl were going to need to be replaced. The OL rebuild started later than it should have.
I had written about this many times, the 2013 Super Bowl held at MetLife hurt the Giants because they wanted to be the first team to host the Super Bowl and play in it. So they tried to squeeze one more year out of the core of the Super Bowl team, which had actually fizzled out in 2012. After the blowouts to Atlanta and Baltimore, which opened the door for Washington to win the NFC East, Coughlin made a statement after the season that he wanted to know what happened in those games. The right answer was the Giants were done as contenders. But they saw a 9-7 finish, and a blow out against an Eagle team in Reid's final game, in which they might have lost to Don Bosco that day, as a sign that the team still had it. They didn't. The rebuild should have started in 2013, but it was put on hold until 2014, when they made the decision to bring in McAdoo and prepare for Coughlin's departure.
Still bot year 1 of the rebuild just because they have a new coach. They've been trying for years now.
The Giants had 2 fullbacks on the roster
Matt in SGS : 5:36 pm : link : reply
in the summer, and both got hurt. So they decided to go with TEs as H-backs, but neither can block very well. The OL was not upgraded in the offseason because there are only so many holes to fill.
Before the season I felt that the Giants organization is targeting looking to win it all in about 2 years, and the goal for this season is compete for a playoff spot. They are 4-3 and Dallas should come back to Earth, so they will end up likely being on their plan.
In 2017, they will need to go after OL upgrades and RB and take our chances. This team is what it is, around a .500 team, and with a few breaks can win 9 or even 10 games. But for now, the Giants are going to have to win ugly until they can fix their OL issues, which is what drives the poor run blocking and short route tree because the line can't hold up long enough to give Eli time.
This was posted on the other thread the poster nails it.
That is a good post. It doesn't change that 2012 to now they've been rebuilding/re-tooling, whatever you want to call it. You made it seem like AND actually said that this was "Year 1" of it because we have a new head coach.
Was that they tried to squeeze another year or two out of the OL when it was evident that guys like Snee and Diehl were going to need to be replaced. The OL rebuild started later than it should have.
I had written about this many times, the 2013 Super Bowl held at MetLife hurt the Giants because they wanted to be the first team to host the Super Bowl and play in it. So they tried to squeeze one more year out of the core of the Super Bowl team, which had actually fizzled out in 2012. After the blowouts to Atlanta and Baltimore, which opened the door for Washington to win the NFC East, Coughlin made a statement after the season that he wanted to know what happened in those games. The right answer was the Giants were done as contenders. But they saw a 9-7 finish, and a blow out against an Eagle team in Reid's final game, in which they might have lost to Don Bosco that day, as a sign that the team still had it. They didn't. The rebuild should have started in 2013, but it was put on hold until 2014, when they made the decision to bring in McAdoo and prepare for Coughlin's departure.
Yup... right on the money. This is where we got set back.
You have to give a new coach a chance to build his team.
He inherited a 6-10 team with a ton of holes. This is a throw away year the plan is for 2017 2018 that's the years to bitch when the team is not succeeding. Reese included.
He inherited a 6-10 team with a ton of holes. This is a throw away year the plan is for 2017 2018 that's the years to bitch when the team is not succeeding. Reese included.
I wouldn't say a ton of holes. Some? Yes. But not alot. Alot of the defenses' holes were filled in the off-season. Only holes are a couple on the OLine and a TE, really. We've been hearing "next year" for going on 4-5 years now. It's the same crap every year and the same disappointment. Open your eyes for once.
after spending alittle over $200 million on defense, along with having skill position players like Eli, Cruz, Beckham, and Shepherd is a "throw away year." Tell anyone associated with the Giants that and they'll laugh their asses off..
The front office put this team together with the expectation of competing for a playoff spot. This team wasn't expected to make a Super Bowl run or be an elite team but even with the new coach, the expectation is that this team should win 9-10 games and be in the mix in December.
Agree with the Giants waiting too long and being not committed to the rebuild. Problem is that while we pissed away a few drafts our division foes have added talent especially at the QB position.
RE: By the time we get this team set we may need a QB
Agree with the Giants waiting too long and being not committed to the rebuild. Problem is that while we pissed away a few drafts our division foes have added talent especially at the QB position.
after spending alittle over $200 million on defense, along with having skill position players like Eli, Cruz, Beckham, and Shepherd is a "throw away year." Tell anyone associated with the Giants that and they'll laugh their asses off..
Bingo. You think John Mara is going to be in a jolly mood in January giving his end of year presser if this team misses the playoffs after spending $200 million AND both Philly and Dallas (for half the year at least) start rookie Qb's??
Should have said learning building year. No year is a throw away.
But yes this team not going to playoffs. And should not in its current state.
But teams evolve and get on rolls.
Like winning the last two games. Fact is if this team went to the playoffs and got destroyed, it would be harder to fix the next year.
As far as 200 mil all those guys are in it for a three year run min.
Sans JPP. Hall.
This team is not making the playoffs at it's current performance level
They really need to beat Philly in two weeks to stay in the hunt. The defense is good, if the offense can get on track then they will have a good chance.
It starts by taking care of business in two weeks.
The 3 more loses need to be out of division first and conference second
Dallas Maybe . Split with the Skins Maybe .
Browns on the road we have not played them very well .
Pittsburgh and Cleveland on the road .
Cincy is no gimmie either ....
Dallas Maybe . Split with the Skins Maybe .
Browns on the road we have not played them very well .
Pittsburgh and Cleveland on the road .
Cincy is no gimmie either ....
PUI
Posting under the influence.
4-3 rarely looks as bleak as it does in this year's NFC. Giants need to rack up a lot of wins, especially in the division.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
I think we need to win the next 4. 3 minimum.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
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Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
They shouldn't be 5-2. They easily could have lost in all 4 of their wins. Easily! It's a miracle we are 4-3. Let's be real here.
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Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Wow this is Mac's 5th year as head coach?
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Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Wow this is Mac's 5th year as head coach?
The rebuild started before 2016..
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Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
They shouldn't be 5-2. They easily could have lost in all 4 of their wins. Easily! It's a miracle we are 4-3. Let's be real here.
And last year we would have.
Fact this team has been in every game going into the 4th quarter.
So I guess we are getting better
You are what your record says you are - Bill Parcels
For 2016, all I want is for them to be competitive for a playoff spot right down to the final weeks of the season, be in the hunt, and maybe steal a spot.
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Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
This is year 5 of the rebuild. We've been used to it.
Wow this is Mac's 5th year as head coach?
The rebuild started before 2016..
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Would lose bad.
You guys want to see that?
We are rebuilding get used to it.
Need two good olinemen
Two TEs a FB and another RB
Defense needs LBs Yes CBs and another DE pass rusher
The roster turned over 30% last offseason it will again this offseason too.
You would have said the same thing in 2011.
I'm not delusional enough to think this team has the correct components for a deep run right now but it usually takes until Thanksgiving to really know what type of team you have (unless it's just really bad)
This team is somewhere in the middle... they really should be 5-2 but they killed themselves against the Redskins. I don't think we'll know enough for another month or so.
They shouldn't be 5-2. They easily could have lost in all 4 of their wins. Easily! It's a miracle we are 4-3. Let's be real here.
Ehh.. but did you really feel like we were "handed" any of those games by the other team? The bogus PI on DRC was the only reason the Ravens even had a chance to win late. We would have beaten New Orleans handily if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot 100 times.. the win against Dallas was close but it was a straight up win. Even if Terrance Williams goes out of bounds on that last catch it's like a 62 yard FG attempt. Keenum's last throw today was terrible but the defense played well.
If not for a million stupid penalties and turnovers, we should have beaten the Redskins. MIN beat us soundly.. the GB game was ridiculous for many reasons but I'm not going to chalk it up as one we "should have" won.
Yeah, you're right. We just started, for example, rebuilding the OLine this year.
Christ.
Cinncy
Chicago
At Cleveland
All winnable 3 at home.
The key to the Giants OL rebuild is going to be whether or not Flowers becomes a good OT. Richburg is also not playing particularly well but we've seen him play well enough in the past to assume this is probably just a hiccup. Pugh is an outstanding LG. Jerry isn't great but he's improved... Hart has been up and down.
If we hit on another OL in the next draft, we should be in pretty good shape.
The offense needs to improve the run game just enough to be taken seriously.
I hope to see Perkins win the reps over the 2 prep weeks.
The Giants had 2 fullbacks on the roster
Matt in SGS : 5:36 pm : link : reply
in the summer, and both got hurt. So they decided to go with TEs as H-backs, but neither can block very well. The OL was not upgraded in the offseason because there are only so many holes to fill.
Before the season I felt that the Giants organization is targeting looking to win it all in about 2 years, and the goal for this season is compete for a playoff spot. They are 4-3 and Dallas should come back to Earth, so they will end up likely being on their plan.
In 2017, they will need to go after OL upgrades and RB and take our chances. This team is what it is, around a .500 team, and with a few breaks can win 9 or even 10 games. But for now, the Giants are going to have to win ugly until they can fix their OL issues, which is what drives the poor run blocking and short route tree because the line can't hold up long enough to give Eli time.
This was posted on the other thread the poster nails it.
+1
I had written about this many times, the 2013 Super Bowl held at MetLife hurt the Giants because they wanted to be the first team to host the Super Bowl and play in it. So they tried to squeeze one more year out of the core of the Super Bowl team, which had actually fizzled out in 2012. After the blowouts to Atlanta and Baltimore, which opened the door for Washington to win the NFC East, Coughlin made a statement after the season that he wanted to know what happened in those games. The right answer was the Giants were done as contenders. But they saw a 9-7 finish, and a blow out against an Eagle team in Reid's final game, in which they might have lost to Don Bosco that day, as a sign that the team still had it. They didn't. The rebuild should have started in 2013, but it was put on hold until 2014, when they made the decision to bring in McAdoo and prepare for Coughlin's departure.
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Still bot year 1 of the rebuild just because they have a new coach. They've been trying for years now.
The Giants had 2 fullbacks on the roster
Matt in SGS : 5:36 pm : link : reply
in the summer, and both got hurt. So they decided to go with TEs as H-backs, but neither can block very well. The OL was not upgraded in the offseason because there are only so many holes to fill.
Before the season I felt that the Giants organization is targeting looking to win it all in about 2 years, and the goal for this season is compete for a playoff spot. They are 4-3 and Dallas should come back to Earth, so they will end up likely being on their plan.
In 2017, they will need to go after OL upgrades and RB and take our chances. This team is what it is, around a .500 team, and with a few breaks can win 9 or even 10 games. But for now, the Giants are going to have to win ugly until they can fix their OL issues, which is what drives the poor run blocking and short route tree because the line can't hold up long enough to give Eli time.
This was posted on the other thread the poster nails it.
That is a good post. It doesn't change that 2012 to now they've been rebuilding/re-tooling, whatever you want to call it. You made it seem like AND actually said that this was "Year 1" of it because we have a new head coach.
Two completely different things.
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Was that they tried to squeeze another year or two out of the OL when it was evident that guys like Snee and Diehl were going to need to be replaced. The OL rebuild started later than it should have.
I had written about this many times, the 2013 Super Bowl held at MetLife hurt the Giants because they wanted to be the first team to host the Super Bowl and play in it. So they tried to squeeze one more year out of the core of the Super Bowl team, which had actually fizzled out in 2012. After the blowouts to Atlanta and Baltimore, which opened the door for Washington to win the NFC East, Coughlin made a statement after the season that he wanted to know what happened in those games. The right answer was the Giants were done as contenders. But they saw a 9-7 finish, and a blow out against an Eagle team in Reid's final game, in which they might have lost to Don Bosco that day, as a sign that the team still had it. They didn't. The rebuild should have started in 2013, but it was put on hold until 2014, when they made the decision to bring in McAdoo and prepare for Coughlin's departure.
Yup... right on the money. This is where we got set back.
I wouldn't say a ton of holes. Some? Yes. But not alot. Alot of the defenses' holes were filled in the off-season. Only holes are a couple on the OLine and a TE, really. We've been hearing "next year" for going on 4-5 years now. It's the same crap every year and the same disappointment. Open your eyes for once.
Giants are in the playoff discussion.
Giants are in the playoff discussion.
You're forgetting about Seattle and Atlanta.
The record's stuck.
Bingo. You think John Mara is going to be in a jolly mood in January giving his end of year presser if this team misses the playoffs after spending $200 million AND both Philly and Dallas (for half the year at least) start rookie Qb's??
But teams evolve and get on rolls.
Like winning the last two games. Fact is if this team went to the playoffs and got destroyed, it would be harder to fix the next year.
As far as 200 mil all those guys are in it for a three year run min.
Sans JPP. Hall.
It starts by taking care of business in two weeks.