and the Giants played a conservative game plan and waited for Keenum to implode. Which he did. The Rams wanted a low scoring slugfest and the Giants were happy to oblige. This team, right now because they can't run well, and can't give Eli time to throw deep, is a team built to win ugly.
But it's not his fault that he wasn't cut after a dreadful game last week. Or that they kept putting him back on the field this week after fumbles, whiffs, and blocks.
But it's not his fault that he wasn't cut after a dreadful game last week. Or that they kept putting him back on the field this week after fumbles, whiffs, and blocks.
was that the Giants actually scored a TD by running the ball inside the 10 and pounding it in. The fact that it was so surprising tells you all you need to know about the Giants offense.
The held their breath that a new OL coach would help overcome the lack of upgrades and so far it hasn't worked. Richburg has taken a step backwards this year, he was much better in 2015. Flowers was exposed so much that the Giants decided to change their game plans to call for all quick passes so there is little chance for anything to develop down the field. Eli hasn't been sacked much, but that's because he's not throwing more than 10 yards down the field.
With no fullback on the roster, the Giants are forced to go to this shotgun draw thing, because they can't run any power sets from a single back. Oh..and the TEs don't block well either. If you can't block well at the LOS, you are very limited in what your offense can do. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 right now.
was that the Giants actually scored a TD by running the ball inside the 10 and pounding it in. The fact that it was so surprising tells you all you need to know about the Giants offense.
The held their breath that a new OL coach would help overcome the lack of upgrades and so far it hasn't worked. Richburg has taken a step backwards this year, he was much better in 2015. Flowers was exposed so much that the Giants decided to change their game plans to call for all quick passes so there is little chance for anything to develop down the field. Eli hasn't been sacked much, but that's because he's not throwing more than 10 yards down the field.
With no fullback on the roster, the Giants are forced to go to this shotgun draw thing, because they can't run any power sets from a single back. Oh..and the TEs don't block well either. If you can't block well at the LOS, you are very limited in what your offense can do. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 right now.
Exactly. We are also limited because Perkins is probably our best rushing RB, but he is not ready as a pass blocker so that limits what we can do even more. Jennings and Rainey know more in the passing game, but both are limited as runners at this stage of their careers. We also had a missed big play to Beckham where he was more concerned about making a one-handed grab that if he used two hands would have made the play. I would also like to see Dwayne Harris more involved in the offense. In space he offers a nice skill set
We seem to end up continually attempting low probability plays e.g. long downfield passes.
This is likely due to the fact that the opponent takes away the plays to the sticks
I would like to see more short passes on first down in lieu of the draw into our OL butts. These short passes should have a high probability of success eg. hook passes in front of the lbs for four or five yards. Completion of such passes which are really just run extension plays would then allow for more options on second and third downs and hopefully shorter third down conversion attempts that would lead to a higher percentage conversion
Has sucked since the pre-season, they continue after 7 games to lack any potency, the QB misses throws, the OL is ineffective, they don't seem to be able to snap out of this funk.
Thankfully the defense has held up well and kept us in all these games
There's no excuse for why the offense has become completely vanilla compared to the previous 2 seasons. Maybe Sullivan will try more formation variations and/or personnel groupings. They should probably run more plays from under center too. They should probably worry less about no-huddle/playing "fast"... you can't play "fast" if you don't complete passes.
More than anything else, they have to help the receivers with formation/play-calling. Mike Lombardi said that was the biggest problem with the Giants AND Packer offenses right now. Teams like the Chargers and Patriots do a great job of freeing up guys for short completions with clear outs and picks. The Giants aren't helping Cruz, Shep, or Odell at all.
we NEED to STOP making the TE a big part of our game plan. If your little brother asked to play football with you and your friends, how many times will you give him the ball and expect to win?
we NEED to STOP making the TE a big part of our game plan. If your little brother asked to play football with you and your friends, how many times will you give him the ball and expect to win?
A TE needs to be part of the OL or a good receiver. Or both.
Where does Donnell fit in?
It's a personnel issue more than it's McAdoo or playcalling.
The playcalling is so limited because we don't have the personnel to run the ball effectively and can't really hold pass protections for very long either. Our RB group is also an issue.. Perkins is the most talented of the bunch but they don't trust him enough to be an every down back.
we NEED to STOP making the TE a big part of our game plan. If your little brother asked to play football with you and your friends, how many times will you give him the ball and expect to win?
We don't really make it a big part of the game plan.. what's happening is that teams we face know it's a weakness and so they use coverages that essentially make throwing there the "best" option.
No ability to run the ball, no tight end to make them pay for double coverage on OBJ.
Also I MacAdoo dumb or just stubborn. The first down calls today were incredulous. It was like the Giants were playing with only 2 downs for much of the game.
we NEED to STOP making the TE a big part of our game plan. If your little brother asked to play football with you and your friends, how many times will you give him the ball and expect to win?
We don't really make it a big part of the game plan.. what's happening is that teams we face know it's a weakness and so they use coverages that essentially make throwing there the "best" option.
yeah I totally get that. However, the easiest throw for Eli when he is being rushed is quick over the middle. That is where we are sending the TEs for the most part. When we sent the WRs in that area, we have been successful. Usually our WRs are running routes to the outside
1- Playcalling (although it's tough to tell whether this is Macadoo or Eli changing the plays. If it is Mac majority of the time I'd like to see maybe Sullivan try it out although he's not exactly inspiring)
2- TE (would like to see Tye more rather than Donnell)
3- RB (would like to see Perkins more rather than Jennings)
4- OL (really nothing to do here except experiment w Beatty but idk - thanks Jerry)
Penalties and turnovers were down today which was a positive especially in a weird environment + facing a solid defense
1- Playcalling (although it's tough to tell whether this is Macadoo or Eli changing the plays. If it is Mac majority of the time I'd like to see maybe Sullivan try it out although he's not exactly inspiring)
2- TE (would like to see Tye more rather than Donnell)
3- RB (would like to see Perkins more rather than Jennings)
4- OL (really nothing to do here except experiment w Beatty but idk - thanks Jerry)
Penalties and turnovers were down today which was a positive especially in a weird environment + facing a solid defense
Bye couldn't come at a better time
Also WR to an extent. Would like to see SS + VC split the slot receiver role and use more of Harris + Lewis on the outside
Seems to me that the play calling or changes at the line are
predictable. Penalties and not taking care of the ball is the most correctable issue. We've had too many drives killed due to penalties, and done a horrendous job of taking care of the ball. We need a 2 way TE, and continued growth from Flowers, and either Hart or Newhouse to step up. Perkins needs to establish himself as the main back. Jennings only plus quality is his pass protection, the rest he's a very pedestrian back, and an old one at that.
I think there are issues with the playcalling and going shotgun every snap, which really limits how we can run the ball, but the biggest concern so far is Eli Manning.
He is making too many mental errors that a ten year vet should not be making. The one-handed attempt to Beckham was a perfect example. That play happened on 3rd and 1. Why are you throwing a ball into double coverage on 3rd and 1 when there is no pass rush? Horrible on third down. Very little zip on the balls outside the numbers.
Also, it is easy to blame the playcalling, but Eli has a lot of flexibility at the line. He can check in and out of plays. He needs to play a lot better -- the offense has had some really really ugly performances and I put it squarely on his shoulders.
There were different factors as to why we lost the Skins game, but one of the biggest ones was letting off the gas with 2 qtrs to go on Offense. He is calling a "play not to lose game" and IMO is overthinking the strategy
Cruz is not as good as we hoped....SS is not consistent....
why we use Donnell more than Tye is a mystery...the running game sucks, especially when we really need it....they make a play here and there, but nothing you can count on...
But most importantly, Eli is off this year...he is missing receivers...the defense gave him the ball on the 39 yard line, for the winning drive....and Eli tried his hardest to give it right back, with a throw that should have been intercepted...with four minutes left, the defense just created a turnover...surely the offense could close out the game with a first down or two...Nope, 3 and out , and didn't even take a minute off the clock...
Rams went right down the field against this defense...only a terrible play call and another bad throw, saved the Giants, with another down and 50 seconds in Keenum's back pocket........
and not Eli's audibles? The defense probably uses Eli's intelligence against him to bait him into checking out of McAdoo's play.
Most likely because Eli has limited options. A hot route or a run is what he basically can audible to. Its also not going to be 6 different run options, its going to be 1-2 types w/ a choice of what side to run to
RE: Yes McAdoo
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
RE: Yes McAdoo
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In comment 13187824 shelovesnycsports said:
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
The Handle alone is mindless
Binge drinking since this morning I see.
Another rocket scientist?
If he starts calling seven step drop backs and long developing play action passes, the turnovers and negative plays will increase as Eli gets hit more and makes throws under duress.
Everything comes back to the poor offensive line, the state of which is inexcusable given the off-season resources available to the team.
If he starts calling seven step drop backs and long developing play action passes, the turnovers and negative plays will increase as Eli gets hit more and makes throws under duress.
Everything comes back to the poor offensive line, the state of which is inexcusable given the off-season resources available to the team.
Oh believe me Reese is every bit to blame also. But I can't shake the fact that we had worse talent overall on Offense last season, yet did much more with it
Can't get off the field on long 3rd downs.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
*and drops
The held their breath that a new OL coach would help overcome the lack of upgrades and so far it hasn't worked. Richburg has taken a step backwards this year, he was much better in 2015. Flowers was exposed so much that the Giants decided to change their game plans to call for all quick passes so there is little chance for anything to develop down the field. Eli hasn't been sacked much, but that's because he's not throwing more than 10 yards down the field.
With no fullback on the roster, the Giants are forced to go to this shotgun draw thing, because they can't run any power sets from a single back. Oh..and the TEs don't block well either. If you can't block well at the LOS, you are very limited in what your offense can do. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 right now.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
Is everyone with a viewpoint a dupe
Or are you just drinking too much.
Or just happy when complaining.
The held their breath that a new OL coach would help overcome the lack of upgrades and so far it hasn't worked. Richburg has taken a step backwards this year, he was much better in 2015. Flowers was exposed so much that the Giants decided to change their game plans to call for all quick passes so there is little chance for anything to develop down the field. Eli hasn't been sacked much, but that's because he's not throwing more than 10 yards down the field.
With no fullback on the roster, the Giants are forced to go to this shotgun draw thing, because they can't run any power sets from a single back. Oh..and the TEs don't block well either. If you can't block well at the LOS, you are very limited in what your offense can do. It's a miracle this team is 4-3 right now.
Exactly. We are also limited because Perkins is probably our best rushing RB, but he is not ready as a pass blocker so that limits what we can do even more. Jennings and Rainey know more in the passing game, but both are limited as runners at this stage of their careers. We also had a missed big play to Beckham where he was more concerned about making a one-handed grab that if he used two hands would have made the play. I would also like to see Dwayne Harris more involved in the offense. In space he offers a nice skill set
We seem to end up continually attempting low probability plays e.g. long downfield passes.
This is likely due to the fact that the opponent takes away the plays to the sticks
I would like to see more short passes on first down in lieu of the draw into our OL butts. These short passes should have a high probability of success eg. hook passes in front of the lbs for four or five yards. Completion of such passes which are really just run extension plays would then allow for more options on second and third downs and hopefully shorter third down conversion attempts that would lead to a higher percentage conversion
Thankfully the defense has held up well and kept us in all these games
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
Is everyone with a viewpoint a dupe
Or are you just drinking too much.
Or just happy when complaining.
Your banning can't come soon enough.
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In comment 13187824 shelovesnycsports said:
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
Is everyone with a viewpoint a dupe
Or are you just drinking too much.
Or just happy when complaining.
Your banning can't come soon enough.
Did you have another drink?
1. Offensive line
2. No running game
3. No tight end
1. Offensive line
2. No running game
3. No tight end
Bingo!
More than anything else, they have to help the receivers with formation/play-calling. Mike Lombardi said that was the biggest problem with the Giants AND Packer offenses right now. Teams like the Chargers and Patriots do a great job of freeing up guys for short completions with clear outs and picks. The Giants aren't helping Cruz, Shep, or Odell at all.
1. Offensive line
2. No running game
3. No tight end
There is a huge correlation between those three, huh?
A good blocking TE helps the run and assists the OL. Jerry dropped the ball this off season.
1)Reese
2)Mcadoo
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are the same they've been for years.
1. Offensive line
2. No running game
3. No tight end
There is a huge correlation between those three, huh?
A good blocking TE helps the run and assists the OL. Jerry dropped the ball this off season.
He drafted a TE and Will Johnson was suppose to also play that role.
Injuries left us with Larry again. We had two prospects in camp both got hurt.
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are the same they've been for years.
1. Offensive line
2. No running game
3. No tight end
There is a huge correlation between those three, huh?
A good blocking TE helps the run and assists the OL. Jerry dropped the ball this off season.
He drafted a TE and Will Johnson was suppose to also play that role.
Injuries left us with Larry again. We had two prospects in camp both got hurt.
Yes. But how often do rookie TEs create and impact?
If this team is NOW they need more than Donnell and Tye.
A TE needs to be part of the OL or a good receiver. Or both.
Where does Donnell fit in?
We don't really make it a big part of the game plan.. what's happening is that teams we face know it's a weakness and so they use coverages that essentially make throwing there the "best" option.
TE
2. The OL, especially the run.
3 MCs play calling
4 The OL, especially the run.
If you want a 5 just cause: Larry Donnell.
Also I MacAdoo dumb or just stubborn. The first down calls today were incredulous. It was like the Giants were playing with only 2 downs for much of the game.
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we NEED to STOP making the TE a big part of our game plan. If your little brother asked to play football with you and your friends, how many times will you give him the ball and expect to win?
We don't really make it a big part of the game plan.. what's happening is that teams we face know it's a weakness and so they use coverages that essentially make throwing there the "best" option.
yeah I totally get that. However, the easiest throw for Eli when he is being rushed is quick over the middle. That is where we are sending the TEs for the most part. When we sent the WRs in that area, we have been successful. Usually our WRs are running routes to the outside
2- TE (would like to see Tye more rather than Donnell)
3- RB (would like to see Perkins more rather than Jennings)
4- OL (really nothing to do here except experiment w Beatty but idk - thanks Jerry)
Penalties and turnovers were down today which was a positive especially in a weird environment + facing a solid defense
Bye couldn't come at a better time
2- TE (would like to see Tye more rather than Donnell)
3- RB (would like to see Perkins more rather than Jennings)
4- OL (really nothing to do here except experiment w Beatty but idk - thanks Jerry)
Penalties and turnovers were down today which was a positive especially in a weird environment + facing a solid defense
Bye couldn't come at a better time
Also WR to an extent. Would like to see SS + VC split the slot receiver role and use more of Harris + Lewis on the outside
He is making too many mental errors that a ten year vet should not be making. The one-handed attempt to Beckham was a perfect example. That play happened on 3rd and 1. Why are you throwing a ball into double coverage on 3rd and 1 when there is no pass rush? Horrible on third down. Very little zip on the balls outside the numbers.
Also, it is easy to blame the playcalling, but Eli has a lot of flexibility at the line. He can check in and out of plays. He needs to play a lot better -- the offense has had some really really ugly performances and I put it squarely on his shoulders.
There were different factors as to why we lost the Skins game, but one of the biggest ones was letting off the gas with 2 qtrs to go on Offense. He is calling a "play not to lose game" and IMO is overthinking the strategy
Ereck Flowers not being a LT
Lack of a running game
Larry Donnell
Cruz is not as good as we hoped....SS is not consistent....
why we use Donnell more than Tye is a mystery...the running game sucks, especially when we really need it....they make a play here and there, but nothing you can count on...
But most importantly, Eli is off this year...he is missing receivers...the defense gave him the ball on the 39 yard line, for the winning drive....and Eli tried his hardest to give it right back, with a throw that should have been intercepted...with four minutes left, the defense just created a turnover...surely the offense could close out the game with a first down or two...Nope, 3 and out , and didn't even take a minute off the clock...
Rams went right down the field against this defense...only a terrible play call and another bad throw, saved the Giants, with another down and 50 seconds in Keenum's back pocket........
Most likely because Eli has limited options. A hot route or a run is what he basically can audible to. Its also not going to be 6 different run options, its going to be 1-2 types w/ a choice of what side to run to
Danny Kanell : 5:56 pm : link : reply
In comment 13187824 shelovesnycsports said:
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
The Handle alone is mindless
2. Players
Danny Kanell : 5:56 pm : link : reply
In comment 13187824 shelovesnycsports said:
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Needs the catch the ball better.
And why can't he run for more yards too.
Damm McAdoo sucks
You really might be the worst poster on this board.
You're a dupe, right?
The Handle alone is mindless
Binge drinking since this morning I see.
Another rocket scientist?
Everything comes back to the poor offensive line, the state of which is inexcusable given the off-season resources available to the team.
Everything comes back to the poor offensive line, the state of which is inexcusable given the off-season resources available to the team.