Get this done. Period. Fix this fucking atrocious OL. Period. Thus team is not improving offensively with the 5-7 OL they currently have. And if they don't improve offensively, they're not going to the playoffs.
Would stabilize our o-line. You should pray 1000 times over we pick a guy in the 2nd rd. near his level. We have the cap flexibility. Its a no brainer.
Put me in the no camp. Almost 34 (OTs can age fast) but, more importantly, the Giants have a pretty good batting avg in the 2nd round. Need those picks (eg TIGHT END).
That said, I'm not having conniption if it does happen.
But I think I'd seriously consider it for a 2nd. It could expedite the OL rebuild and we'd suddenly have a good deal of depth. I hate trading away picks in this sport but this is a scenario where I might be okay with it.
As does Eli. The Giants window is that amount of time to win another Super Bowl. And next year they will be looking to upgrade the line. I would make this move if I were the Giants. Offensive lineman tend to have a longer shelf life. Not to mention the mental aspect for Eli that he won't be looking over his shoulder as he does on every play that takes more than 2 seconds with Flowers at LT.
So was Randle, Austin, Sintim and Moss. Odds are you'll get a good player in the 2nd rd but it's not a guarantee.
Obviously no guarantees in the draft. But Reese, for all his faults, has been great in the 1st and good in the 2nd. Largely disastrous beyond that which is why there are so many holes on this team,
Look at those names I listed. They were 10 year organizational building blocks. Or potentially but for injuries (Smith) and $$ (Linval).
honestly everyone here saying we arent a LT away, i disagree. that defense is definitely good enough to make some noise. If a LT makes everyone better along oline, maybe the run game goes from dogshit to average but the pass pro goes from average to good. those are two upgrades(pass pro and run game) that could have our offense doing big things. if our offense scores 24+ we will win a lot of games. Just get in the playoffs. we dont needto be one piece away from a super bowl team just one piece away from a playoff team. once we are in we have seen eli can win it and has won it with less talent on offense. DO THE TRADE IF ITS THERE. elis window is closing fast and we dont have time for rookies to develop. get a VERY GOOD vet in here and immediately you improve the team WAY MORE than a second rounder could in the 2-3 years eli has left.
That Reese did not draft Strahan et al. But he's been good in his own right since taking over for Ernie. The 2nd round has been kind to NY going back a long time.
honestly everyone here saying we arent a LT away, i disagree. that defense is definitely good enough to make some noise. If a LT makes everyone better along oline, maybe the run game goes from dogshit to average but the pass pro goes from average to good. those are two upgrades(pass pro and run game) that could have our offense doing big things. if our offense scores 24+ we will win a lot of games. Just get in the playoffs. we dont needto be one piece away from a super bowl team just one piece away from a playoff team. once we are in we have seen eli can win it and has won it with less talent on offense. DO THE TRADE IF ITS THERE. elis window is closing fast and we dont have time for rookies to develop. get a VERY GOOD vet in here and immediately you improve the team WAY MORE than a second rounder could in the 2-3 years eli has left.
He's almost 32. I'd be stunned if the Giants did so, especially with Beatty probably set to return after the bye. Beatty and our second is better than Thomas at nearly 32.
He's almost 32. I'd be stunned if the Giants did so, especially with Beatty probably set to return after the bye. Beatty and our second is better than Thomas at nearly 32.
Unless you think Flowers is the answer at LT, and I do not, not making this move is the wrong move. I think Flowers will turn out to be a collosal bust at LT, but his career can be salvaged as a serviceable RT. The NYG have a 3-4 year window with Eli. No draft pick will supplant Flowers at LT because that would mean Reese admits a mistake. A future HOF'er is a different story.
The time to worry about Eli's window was years ago.
They aren't a good enough team where Thomas is going to instantly make them a real contender right now.
Trading a second round pick for an over 30 year old expensive player isn't part of the long term solution now -- and they committed to look at the long term by (unintentionally) punting so many season already.
And I'd do it now. Get him in during the bye week and on the field vs Philly.
Move Flowers to RT and the whole line is improved.
I'd try and get him for less but if it takes a 2nd, I'd still do it. If he helps them reach the playoffs that 2 is around the 50th pick. I can live with giving that up to have an all pro LT for the rest of Eli's career.
You may get 3-4 years out of Thomas would improve the O-line
in a nano second . Gives Flowers more time to develop .
If it jump starts the Run Game I agree no-brainier .
Only problem is that we should have made a move before
the season began . Right now were teetering on missing
the playoffs . If they did it now it would make sense .
No guarantees in the draft so to lose a 2nd rounder at
this juncture will not make or break the franchise ..
But knowing the way we go about things around here I highly
doubt it gets done ...
Front office is lost - 3rd and that's it to bail out
All we need to know about the Apple pick is what the secondary looks like when Wade is forced into duty. CB was a need. WR was also absolutely a need. Anyone who watched this pitiful defense last year would probably agree that a FS was a pretty big need as well. This LB corps has been subpar for a long time.. taking one with upside in the 4th didn't seem like a bad pick to me. Perkins might be the best RB on the team right now and the TE corps is garbage... Adams was worth taking a shot on.
It would have been nice to add another lineman but it's hard to argue that any of the picks we made didn't address needs. We had a good deal of holes and still have some.
Yeah anyone arguing at this point against picking Apple
We have maybe 2 more good years from Eli after this. Now or never.
You say "but a 2nd is too much to give"? Take your 1rst rounder trade back get a later first rounder and a second.
Id be all over him for a 2nd. Move Flowers to RT, See if Hart is an upgrade at RG.
Shit its early enough he comes in you get 10 wins and make a push THIS YEAR. Plus you have the pieces to content until Eli's arm falls off.
Defense looks good, we have cap room, young guys look great.
Do it JR...
That said, I'm not having conniption if it does happen.
NO!
They're a lot closer than you think but OT is a primary need.
DE and TE are the others. Secondary needs are outside WR, LB, RG, and RB.
I think solidifying this line would be a huge step in the right direction. It improves both tackle positions with Flowers sliding over.
A solid OL makes this a playoff team.
NO!
Would you spend a 2nd rounder if it meant a net positive effect on the other 4 OL? With Eli's window, I think I would be ok giving up a 2nd.
It just wouldn't be smart.
NO!
The price is neither here nor there. Nobody is giving them a 2nd.
It just wouldn't be smart.
So was Randle, Austin, Sintim and Moss. Odds are you'll get a good player in the 2nd rd but it's not a guarantee.
But also not a GM so my opinion is weak and suspect at best too.
Obviously no guarantees in the draft. But Reese, for all his faults, has been great in the 1st and good in the 2nd. Largely disastrous beyond that which is why there are so many holes on this team,
Look at those names I listed. They were 10 year organizational building blocks. Or potentially but for injuries (Smith) and $$ (Linval).
Great post, absolutely agree.
LTs, even the greats, are typically done at 33 or 34 if you're lucky.
We've been pretty good in the 2nd round.
Unless you think Flowers is the answer at LT, and I do not, not making this move is the wrong move. I think Flowers will turn out to be a collosal bust at LT, but his career can be salvaged as a serviceable RT. The NYG have a 3-4 year window with Eli. No draft pick will supplant Flowers at LT because that would mean Reese admits a mistake. A future HOF'er is a different story.
Trading a second round pick for an over 30 year old expensive player isn't part of the long term solution now -- and they committed to look at the long term by (unintentionally) punting so many season already.
Move Flowers to RT and the whole line is improved.
I'd try and get him for less but if it takes a 2nd, I'd still do it. If he helps them reach the playoffs that 2 is around the 50th pick. I can live with giving that up to have an all pro LT for the rest of Eli's career.
in a nano second . Gives Flowers more time to develop .
If it jump starts the Run Game I agree no-brainier .
Only problem is that we should have made a move before
the season began . Right now were teetering on missing
the playoffs . If they did it now it would make sense .
No guarantees in the draft so to lose a 2nd rounder at
this juncture will not make or break the franchise ..
But knowing the way we go about things around here I highly
doubt it gets done ...
Morons didn't even select one lineman in the draft
It would have been nice to add another lineman but it's hard to argue that any of the picks we made didn't address needs. We had a good deal of holes and still have some.
It does suck, however, that Conklin looks not good but great. He might make the pro-bowl. Really wish Tenn didn't leapfrog NY on draft day.
Morons didn't even select one lineman in the draft
Name the lineman you'd take in what round and who do you give up. You have 7 games of hindsight.