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How are we 4-3,

Doomster : 10/23/2016 10:56 pm
with no running game, and Eli has only thrown 8 td passes?

We have only beaten one team with a winning record....by one second....

Yes, the defense has been a big improvement, points wise.....the turnovers are starting to happen for the defense....but they have this bad habit of letting teams make long drives at the end of games...fortunately, the other teams have shot themselves in the foot, at the end of those drives....

But this offense, has to be much better than 22nd in scoring, if it wants to make the playoffs....



Defense and hanging on by a thread late in games  
Torrag : 10/23/2016 11:15 pm : link
Have to be better after the bye though if we want to play in the post season. Attrition will set in in the form of fatigue and further injuries on defense if we can't improve our time of possession with the ball.

Between McAdoo's predictable play calling and our talent limitations on the offensive line and run blocking from support positions like TE and RB I'm not sure how we get that done.

This was always going to be a two year rebuild given the number of positions needing upgrades going into this campaign. There was a built in ceiling for 2016.
Good defense  
AnnapolisMike : 10/23/2016 11:24 pm : link
Shit... With all the turnovers they should be 5-2. These are games the Giants lost last year. There are no bonus points for style. If the offense can get it rolling they will be in the mix.

Beat a strange Philly team and the playoffs are a good bet.
Luck  
Geomon : 10/23/2016 11:54 pm : link
Especially these last 2 games. It won't last.
Who cares  
Route 9 : 10/24/2016 12:02 am : link
With the stupid ways the Giants lost games last year, I'm not going to question wins
What a surprising thread  
Mad Mike : 10/24/2016 12:02 am : link
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I'm with you.  
Boy Cord : 10/24/2016 12:02 am : link
Should be 5-2.
the 1 loss that eats away and will hurt us the most  
SHO'NUFF : 10/24/2016 12:17 am : link
is the Washington "Let 'em off the hook" Redskins game. At this point, though, I'll take 4-3 going into the bye.
Washington Game we blew it ...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/24/2016 12:51 am : link
We almost have to sweep the division from here on out .
Cowboys need to come back to earth . I think the defense is
playing a bit over there heads hopefully someone knocks them
off .There schedule is pretty easy the rest of the way .
Oddly, after today  
pivo : 10/24/2016 1:43 am : link
We are the 12th ranked offense (364 yds) and the 20th ranked defense (363 yds) in the NFL. Go figure...
And  
pivo : 10/24/2016 1:49 am : link
5 teams are behind us in rushing yds per attempt (3.6):
Seattle @3.5
TB@ 3.3
NO @ 3.2
Jacks @ 3.3
Minn @ 2.5

stats must lie...
RE: Defense and hanging on by a thread late in games  
Giantophile : 10/24/2016 6:59 am : link
In comment 13188332 Torrag said:
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Have to be better after the bye though if we want to play in the post season. Attrition will set in in the form of fatigue and further injuries on defense if we can't improve our time of possession with the ball.

Between McAdoo's predictable play calling and our talent limitations on the offensive line and run blocking from support positions like TE and RB I'm not sure how we get that done.

This was always going to be a two year rebuild given the number of positions needing upgrades going into this campaign. There was a built in ceiling for 2016.


I agree with this for the most part, although I think given where this offense was last year and the addition of cruz+shepard, they should be able to be MUCH more effective this year. This team could be good if the offense gets their head out of their asses.
RE: RE: Defense and hanging on by a thread late in games  
GloryDayz : 10/24/2016 7:09 am : link
In comment 13188449 Giantophile said:
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In comment 13188332 Torrag said:


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Have to be better after the bye though if we want to play in the post season. Attrition will set in in the form of fatigue and further injuries on defense if we can't improve our time of possession with the ball.

Between McAdoo's predictable play calling and our talent limitations on the offensive line and run blocking from support positions like TE and RB I'm not sure how we get that done.

This was always going to be a two year rebuild given the number of positions needing upgrades going into this campaign. There was a built in ceiling for 2016.



I agree with this for the most part, although I think given where this offense was last year and the addition of cruz+shepard, they should be able to be MUCH more effective this year. This team could be good if the offense gets their head out of their asses.


Plus the OL should have been better this year compared to last, even without any additions in the off season... player growth and familiarity should have made the OL slightly better. I dont see it.
RE: RE: RE: Defense and hanging on by a thread late in games  
EricJ : 10/24/2016 7:24 am : link
In comment 13188454 GloryDayz said:
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Plus the OL should have been better this year compared to last, even without any additions in the off season... player growth and familiarity should have made the OL slightly better. I dont see it.


The O-line has actually gotten worse. Players like Richburg and Pugh regressing. Then add in Flowers and Jerry....

Our O-line draft picks are not playing up to what their draft position would suggest their performance should be.
The defense is very inconsistent  
Simms11 : 10/24/2016 7:27 am : link
and at times can't get off the field on 3rd downs; thereby allowing the other team to not only keep drives alive but keep the Defense on the field. Thisent us one of the reasons for the TOP disparity, which is Turing out the defense in the 4th quarter of games, allowing the other team to drive the field. IMO this is why other teams tend to be driving the field at the end of games. There's more though.....the offense is not good in the 4 minute offense because we have no running game game to speak of. This too is contributing to the disparity in TOP and keeping the defense on the field, as well.

It's amazing that we'really 4-3, it really is. I didn't even talk about offensive turnovers and they too contribute tof the disparity in TOP.
I freaking hate autocorrect!  
Simms11 : 10/24/2016 7:28 am : link
Tiring out defense is what I meant
I know it's not factual but seems like we allow  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2016 7:36 am : link
every single 4th down conversion...
Perhaps  
AngelCordero : 10/24/2016 7:37 am : link
you prefer last year when the defense COULDN'T hang on by a thread? Or maybe you pine for the REALLY good ol' days of an 0-6 start?
Kind of have to feel good about 4-3 at this point  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2016 7:41 am : link
I realize everybody would feel better if the Offense had a clue how to either 1) slow down the turnovers 2) run the ball with even some, I repeat, some success or 3) get more production from SHepard and Cruz knowing OBJ is blanketed.

Any one of these and we are a playoff team.

Any two these and we make hay...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Defense and hanging on by a thread late in games  
eli4life : 10/24/2016 7:47 am : link
In comment 13188458 EricJ said:
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In comment 13188454 GloryDayz said:


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Plus the OL should have been better this year compared to last, even without any additions in the off season... player growth and familiarity should have made the OL slightly better. I dont see it.



The O-line has actually gotten worse. Players like Richburg and Pugh regressing. Then add in Flowers and Jerry....

Our O-line draft picks are not playing up to what their draft position would suggest their performance should be.


richburg and flowers I'll give you but jerry has improved and Pugh is the number one rated guard in the league
Hanging on by a thread...  
WideRight : 10/24/2016 8:32 am : link
is alot better than last year
Giants ran the ball 11 times on 1st and 10  
UberAlias : 10/24/2016 8:36 am : link
In those 11 runs, they had one 10 yard run. They had one freaking run of 3 yards, one more for 2 yards, and eight of one yard or less.

At the half McAdoo was asked about failures in the running game and his response was, we need more attempts, or something to that affect. So basically the running game has been horrible for years, has sucked all year, is not working, and his answer is to do MORE of it???

This guy is more stubborn than TC, and clueless on top.
What a stupid ass thread  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2016 8:38 am : link
They've only beaten one team with a winning record? Seriously? You do realize that if it wasn't for them beating the Rams and Ravens, both those teams would be over .500, right? Wasn't it posted last week that the Giants had the toughest schedule in the league up to that point?

Miserable, spoiled rotten bitches around here. Never, ever happy. Ever
What a stupid ass response.....  
Doomster : 10/24/2016 1:09 pm : link
What a stupid ass thread
BigBlueShock : 8:38 am : link : reply
They've only beaten one team with a winning record? Seriously? You do realize that if it wasn't for them beating the Rams and Ravens, both those teams would be over .500, right?

Where I come from, a .500 team is not a winning team....if you eliminate the Giant games , they are just .500 teams...so yes, they have only beat one team with a winning record, thus far...



Miserable, spoiled rotten bitches around here. Never, ever happy. Ever


Do we have a winning team? Yes....Do we think they should be better ? Yes....but this team does not have a winning attitude yet...until we see it, they will just be one of the middle of the road teams in the NFL.....one of the big complaints of TC teams was, the Giants play down to the level of their opponents...they still do....they don't put teams away.....they don't go for the jugular.....they don't have that killer instinct....until they do, they are a team without confidence and direction....

Didn't you kind of answer your own question  
Knee of Theismann : 10/24/2016 1:19 pm : link
when you said:

"We have only beaten one team with a winning record....by one second...."

Our other 3 wins have come against shitty teams. Teams shittier than the NYG. So those 3 wins, plus the one you refer to, equals 4 wins. That is how we are 4-3.
Because we won 4 games and lost 3.  
732NYG : 10/24/2016 1:28 pm : link
We've also had one of the toughest schedules in the league up to this point.
RE: What a stupid ass response.....  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13189164 Doomster said:
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What a stupid ass thread
BigBlueShock : 8:38 am : link : reply
They've only beaten one team with a winning record? Seriously? You do realize that if it wasn't for them beating the Rams and Ravens, both those teams would be over .500, right?

Where I come from, a .500 team is not a winning team....if you eliminate the Giant games , they are just .500 teams...so yes, they have only beat one team with a winning record, thus far...



Miserable, spoiled rotten bitches around here. Never, ever happy. Ever


Do we have a winning team? Yes....Do we think they should be better ? Yes....but this team does not have a winning attitude yet...until we see it, they will just be one of the middle of the road teams in the NFL.....one of the big complaints of TC teams was, the Giants play down to the level of their opponents...they still do....they don't put teams away.....they don't go for the jugular.....they don't have that killer instinct....until they do, they are a team without confidence and direction....

Ummm, no, because if the Giants didn't beat the Ravens and Rams, that would mean that the Ravens and Rams won, correct? That would put both of those records at 4-3. Both above .500. The Giants have something to say for those teams being below .500. But that doesn't fit the narrative, right?
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shelovesnycsports : 10/24/2016 4:16 pm : link
They are  
Mike fr Warwick : 10/24/2016 4:21 pm : link
gritty.
Look at it this way...  
TheEvilLurker : 10/24/2016 4:32 pm : link
pretend that the Giants opponents did not play the Giants, what would their records be in the division?

Dallas would be undefeated in 1st place.
Washington is iffy at 3-3

Minnesota is 4-1 in first
Green bay is 3-2 in second place due to one less loss.

New Orleans is basically still in 3rd (2-3)

LA Rams are in the same spot(3-3), but 1 half game back of second place due to the tie.

Baltimore is 3-3 a game back of first.

Looks like the Giants had a tough schedule. The only team with a losing record is NO.
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