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superspynyg : 10/24/2016 7:56 am
Is favorable. We play Philly, Cincy and Bears at home. Then Browns and Steelers on the road before we come home again to play the Cowgirls and Lions. Then finish on the road with the Philly and Wash

I think we could definitely go 5-4 with losses to Ciny, Steelers, Cowgirls and one of the Philly games.

that would make us 9-7.
Anybody know reported timetable on Big Ben  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2016 7:58 am : link
will he be back against us?
I'm not sure we are at the point  
Drewcon40 : 10/24/2016 8:06 am : link
Where we've earned "favorable" schedule status - we can lose those games. 6-10 is also possible. I hope not and the Eagles game off the bye is huge!
RE: I'm not sure we are at the point  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2016 8:09 am : link
In comment 13188483 Drewcon40 said:
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Where we've earned "favorable" schedule status - we can lose those games. 6-10 is also possible. I hope not and the Eagles game off the bye is huge!

We can also go 10-6, but hey, it's funner (and cooler) to be negative!
9-7 (3-3 in the East)  
The_Boss : 10/24/2016 8:10 am : link
Likely doesn't win the division or a WC. At this point, the 2 teams in the driver's seat are Dallas and Philly. Both have already won games we expected them to lose: Philly vs Pitt and Minnesota and Dallas at GB. Both teams are younger than the NYG. Both are likely more talented too. I don't see the NYG catching/surpassing them anytime soon. If they weren't making the playoffs this year (with both starting rookie QB'S), then when do they? If this year ends like the previous 4, this year is a total mitigated failure. No playoffs in 7 out of 8 seasons is Cleveland Brown bad.
RE: 9-7 (3-3 in the East)  
Sean : 10/24/2016 8:18 am : link
In comment 13188487 The_Boss said:
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Likely doesn't win the division or a WC. At this point, the 2 teams in the driver's seat are Dallas and Philly. Both have already won games we expected them to lose: Philly vs Pitt and Minnesota and Dallas at GB. Both teams are younger than the NYG. Both are likely more talented too. I don't see the NYG catching/surpassing them anytime soon. If they weren't making the playoffs this year (with both starting rookie QB'S), then when do they? If this year ends like the previous 4, this year is a total mitigated failure. No playoffs in 7 out of 8 seasons is Cleveland Brown bad.


Well, they have everything out in front of them. With 4 division games remaining they have full control over the division. We will see if they are up to the task.
Right now Philly and Dallas  
UberAlias : 10/24/2016 8:21 am : link
look like better teams and we are fighting it out with Washington for last place. The commitment to a failing running game is killing them.
RE: 9-7 (3-3 in the East)  
PeterinAtlanta : 10/24/2016 8:22 am : link
In comment 13188487 The_Boss said:
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Likely doesn't win the division or a WC. At this point, the 2 teams in the driver's seat are Dallas and Philly. Both have already won games we expected them to lose: Philly vs Pitt and Minnesota and Dallas at GB. Both teams are younger than the NYG. Both are likely more talented too. I don't see the NYG catching/surpassing them anytime soon. If they weren't making the playoffs this year (with both starting rookie QB'S), then when do they? If this year ends like the previous 4, this year is a total mitigated failure. No playoffs in 7 out of 8 seasons is Cleveland Brown bad.


The Cowboys are the 12th youngest team. The Giants are 14th. The Redskins are 25th, and the Eagles are 28th.
Again, it's silly to project wins/loses for extended time frame  
ZogZerg : 10/24/2016 8:23 am : link
Injuries play such a huge role in NFL games. You have no idea how healthy teams will be when we play them.
RE: Again, it's silly to project wins/loses for extended time frame  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 8:25 am : link
In comment 13188502 ZogZerg said:
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Injuries play such a huge role in NFL games. You have no idea how healthy teams will be when we play them.


👍...My contention always
RE: 9-7 (3-3 in the East)  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2016 8:31 am : link
In comment 13188487 The_Boss said:
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Likely doesn't win the division or a WC. At this point, the 2 teams in the driver's seat are Dallas and Philly. Both have already won games we expected them to lose: Philly vs Pitt and Minnesota and Dallas at GB. Both teams are younger than the NYG. Both are likely more talented too. I don't see the NYG catching/surpassing them anytime soon. If they weren't making the playoffs this year (with both starting rookie QB'S), then when do they? If this year ends like the previous 4, this year is a total mitigated failure. No playoffs in 7 out of 8 seasons is Cleveland Brown bad.

I'm sorry, Philly and Dallas are not more talented than the Giants. They are better coached and much more physical, which is a problem, but they are not more talented. Phillys offense is abysmal and it's because of a talent deficiency. The Giants offense is abysmal too, and there is certainly talent deficiencies on the OL and TE, but the QB and WRs are MUCH better than anything the Eagles have on offense
My take on Giants  
jsuds : 10/24/2016 8:52 am : link
They are the kind of team that even when they repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot, can be competitive and overcome the mistakes against inferior, and equally matched competitors.

But against superior competition their only chance of winning is by cleaning up their mistakes. I am hoping they do this but so far it is not looking too good.

As for the rest of the NFC east I am not sure I would rank anyone of them as "superior". So in my opinion the Giants have a chance to be the NFC East winners, but to do so they have to stop digging themselves holes early in games like they have so far this season.
My view of the schedule  
Bramton1 : 10/24/2016 9:03 am : link
Week 9: Home vs. Eagles
Week 10: Home vs. Bengals (MNF)

This is a lineup we need a split in. I don't see us winning both, but a split is a possibility. So is losing both.

Week 11: Home vs. Bears
Week 12: Away at Browns

These are two games we need to sweep. These are two very bad teams. Chicago is the more talented of the two, but we get them at home. A loss in either of these is inexcusable.

Week 13: Away at Steelers
Week 14: Home vs. Cowboys

A split would be wonderful. A sweep would be a pipe dream. Getting swept would not be much of a surprise.

Week 15: Home vs. Lions

This should be a very winnable game, but also a very loseable game. The simple fact, however, is that it'll probably be a must win if there is any chance of the playoffs.

At this point, my hope is that we're 9-5 and still fighting. Or we're 6-8 and done. We'll see.

Week 16: Away at Eagles (TNF)
Week 17: Away at Redskins

Definitely need at least a split. Considering both are division games, could also need a sweep.
I read Ben could be back after their bye  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 9:05 am : link
though that is aggressive.

I think by the Giants game is a given without a setback.
I can see us winning  
UConn4523 : 10/24/2016 9:06 am : link
anywhere between 2 and 5 of those games. Nothing is easy, every week will be dogfight regardless of who our opponent is.

The good news is I think every week WILL be a dogfight, meaning we have a punchers chance due to our much improved defense. If/when our offense ever figures it out we can hopefully turn things up a notch.
Zero interest  
ryanmkeane : 10/24/2016 9:07 am : link
in planning out the rest of the schedule when we are 2 games back of Dallas. Let's try and take the "win the next one" approach and maybe finally get a fucking win against Philly!
We aren't good enough  
ryanmkeane : 10/24/2016 9:07 am : link
to assume we will beat any team. Just have to improve offensively and get some rhythm going after the bye.
RE: RE: I'm not sure we are at the point  
Drewcon40 : 10/24/2016 9:10 am : link
In comment 13188485 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13188483 Drewcon40 said:


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Where we've earned "favorable" schedule status - we can lose those games. 6-10 is also possible. I hope not and the Eagles game off the bye is huge!


We can also go 10-6, but hey, it's funner (and cooler) to be negative!


BBS, I am not sure that was my intent. I guess the Giants are still not passing the eye test for me. While I will always root and hope for a Win, I am still skeptical. I am not in "the sky is falling" category but I also don't think we are at a point where we can assume victory.

BBS - I saw you getting fired up in the game thread yesterday. I am hopeful but again, I just am not 100 percent satisfied with what I am seeing. I hope we are 10-6 but the optics tell me otherwise. I am going to enjoy this bye week.
If SOS is any indication  
pivo : 10/24/2016 9:11 am : link
of where we are or aren't (and, of course the most accurate SOS is EOY)
YTD:
Giants - 5
Skins - 12
Boys - 28
Eagles - 29

Oh, & Passing yds:
KC - 7
EM - 8
DP - 23
CW - 25
When you've been a Giants fan for as long as I have  
Cruzin : 10/24/2016 9:28 am : link

and Cleveland still does not have a win by the time we get there, they will no longer be winless after we leave.

The Bears game is no gimme either, it could possibly end in a 0-0 tie.

I won't admit that we can't beat Dallas but based on our more recent history with Philly, I'd be pleasantly surprised with a split. We already blew one Redskins game, I don't want to even imagine how we give the next one away.

This team has a better than average defense that will keep getting better. We have an occasional Eli to OBJ thrill on offense with no promise of anything more for years to come.

Is it too late to bring Tom back so McAdoo can go back to just calling plays? We be a playoff contender then.
RE: When you've been a Giants fan for as long as I have  
Drewcon40 : 10/24/2016 9:32 am : link
In comment 13188656 Cruzin said:
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and Cleveland still does not have a win by the time we get there, they will no longer be winless after we leave.

The Bears game is no gimme either, it could possibly end in a 0-0 tie.

I won't admit that we can't beat Dallas but based on our more recent history with Philly, I'd be pleasantly surprised with a split. We already blew one Redskins game, I don't want to even imagine how we give the next one away.

This team has a better than average defense that will keep getting better. We have an occasional Eli to OBJ thrill on offense with no promise of anything more for years to come.

Is it too late to bring Tom back so McAdoo can go back to just calling plays? We be a playoff contender then.


I am hoping they get a win next Sunday : P
RE: Zero interest  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/24/2016 9:43 am : link
In comment 13188595 ryanmkeane said:
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in planning out the rest of the schedule when we are 2 games back of Dallas. Let's try and take the "win the next one" approach and maybe finally get a fucking win against Philly!


To each his own but youre not on the team. We as fand can look ahead and speculate. Why else does this board exist?
RE: When you've been a Giants fan for as long as I have  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/24/2016 9:45 am : link
In comment 13188656 Cruzin said:
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and Cleveland still does not have a win by the time we get there, they will no longer be winless after we leave.

The Bears game is no gimme either, it could possibly end in a 0-0 tie.

I won't admit that we can't beat Dallas but based on our more recent history with Philly, I'd be pleasantly surprised with a split. We already blew one Redskins game, I don't want to even imagine how we give the next one away.

This team has a better than average defense that will keep getting better. We have an occasional Eli to OBJ thrill on offense with no promise of anything more for years to come.

Is it too late to bring Tom back so McAdoo can go back to just calling plays? We be a playoff contender then.


Yeah. Exause the giants have a habit if losing to winless teams in nibember? The team has won 4 sbs. Youre talking like a jets fan. Lighten up, ;@ you expect them to never go through downturns?
Wow  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/24/2016 9:46 am : link
That was poorly spelled out lol.
Had the Giants  
Giants2012 : 10/24/2016 9:49 am : link
9-7 and beating Washington for the Division title in week 17. Dallas has kinda wrecked that idea so far.
Too early  
Carson53 : 10/24/2016 10:17 am : link
I just want to see this team get it together on offense,
after the bye week.
In the last two weeks, 72 yards on the ground COMBINED!
That is hard to do, playcalling seems too predictable as well,
next year I would like Mac to hire his own OC.
I don t assume much in the NFL  
joeinpa : 10/24/2016 10:25 am : link
Anymore. I fully expected Dallas to be competitive at Green Bay and same is true for Philly yesterday.
I don't see 9-7 unless the Giants make...  
M.S. : 10/24/2016 10:29 am : link

...strides at the point of attack on offense (defensive POA is fine.) I mean Center, Guards, Tackles, Tight Ends... and, yes, even receivers blocking on the edge.

I have zero expectations that can do a 180 with a 1-week bye, but even SOME improvement can maybe get us to 9-7. No improvement means 6 or 7 wins.

You can take that to the bank.
RE: My view of the schedule  
M.S. : 10/24/2016 10:37 am : link
In comment 13188582 Bramton1 said:
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Week 9: Home vs. Eagles
Week 10: Home vs. Bengals (MNF)

This is a lineup we need a split in. I don't see us winning both, but a split is a possibility. So is losing both.

Week 11: Home vs. Bears
Week 12: Away at Browns

These are two games we need to sweep. These are two very bad teams. Chicago is the more talented of the two, but we get them at home. A loss in either of these is inexcusable.

Week 13: Away at Steelers
Week 14: Home vs. Cowboys

A split would be wonderful. A sweep would be a pipe dream. Getting swept would not be much of a surprise.

Week 15: Home vs. Lions

This should be a very winnable game, but also a very loseable game. The simple fact, however, is that it'll probably be a must win if there is any chance of the playoffs.

At this point, my hope is that we're 9-5 and still fighting. Or we're 6-8 and done. We'll see.

Week 16: Away at Eagles (TNF)
Week 17: Away at Redskins

Definitely need at least a split. Considering both are division games, could also need a sweep.

I can't quite decide if this is realistic or not? I can easily see the Giants getting the shit kicked out of them by Dallas, Eagles Away, Cincy, Pitt and Washington Away. If my math is right, that gives us 8 losses.

In order to STAY at .500 we would then need to win everything else... Philly at home, Bears, Browns, Lions.

Bottom line: I don't see 10 wins nor 9... maybe 8?
While BBI is looking at the schedule penciling in wins...  
EricJ : 10/24/2016 10:46 am : link
so are the fans of the teams we are playing...counting the game vs the Giants as a win when they watch us on TV with an unbiased view of OUR performance. Maybe not the Browns fans but the Bears fans are saying they have a good shot to beat us. The other teams too.

In the end, none of it means anything. What we have going for us is that we matchup against a few backup QBs.
With the offense being this bad  
giantsfan227B : 10/24/2016 10:52 am : link
There are no guarantees. They could beat all of them. Cincy isn't that great. Philly is probably a better team but are they that dominant? The Redskins beat them and the Giants led the Redskins for most of that game. The Steelers may not have Ben.

But this offense is awful. No running game. And NFLN brought up a good point. How many times do you see a receiver in motion trying to get the coverage to change. Virtually never. The WR's lineup and look to win in 1 on 1 coverage. Defenses have caught up to the short route tree the Giants use. Yesterday the Rams basically said you are not throwing over the middle. Everything to the outside. If the Giants don't mix it up more games against the Bears will probably be much closer than needed. There is a reason they are playing so many tight games. They are not scoring, they are turning the ball over and until yesterday and not getting sacks and turnovers.
Beating Philly out of the bye is a must.  
Mark C : 10/24/2016 11:01 am : link
The season hinges on this. And the team that went into the bye yesterday has no shot at beating Philly. They need to figure something out on offense, now, and be a different team in two weeks.
9-7 looks likely....10-11 wins possible  
AnnapolisMike : 10/24/2016 11:08 am : link
They will likely split or maybe go 3-1 in the division. I think they take the home games....I think divisional games are a pickem situation. Getting Philly at home out of the bye is a nice advantage.

Pittsburgh is the only game you look at and say Loss. Cleveland and Chicago...wins. Split Cincy and Detroit.

That's 9 wins. Go 3-1 in the division beat Cincy and Detroit.....11 wins.
Defense is keeping us in games and so  
Simms11 : 10/24/2016 11:11 am : link
anything can happen, but I'd expect all of our games to be close unless we can somehow get our offense back on track?! With virtually no running game, it will be difficult at best to finish around .500 at 8-8, but that in and of itself will show some improvement from the previous year at least.

We didn't have much of a running game during our last Super Bowl run either, however, there was a semblance of an attack with Bradshaw and Jacobs and the threat of getting run over by those two when they had the ball, even if they didn't have big games. That kept defense somewhat honest and helped our passing game that year. Of course once we got into the playoffs the running game got better. I'm not sure we scare anybody with our running game now. We have no backs that have shown the ability to gain yards by running somebody over or with break-away speed. Perhaps Perkins, given more carries, can get into some sort of flow and give us somewhat of a running game?! Have to try something different.

Anyway, I digress, if we have no running game or threat of a running game, I don't see how we finish the season any better then 8-8. In fact I don't know how we compete in this Division over the next few years without getting a better running game.
Bramton nicely simplified .  
Bluesbreaker : 10/24/2016 11:33 am : link
We have to split with Philly and beat Dallas and Washington .
Beat the Bears Browns and Lions .
That will give us a shot at the division .. Thankfully the
only favor we got is getting the Lions at home .
We must come out of the bye swinging and upend Philly at
home . If we come out and get spanked by Philly then play
a physical Bengals team on Monday Night and lose .
The Season is still not over unless they have not made the
changes needed to improve the run game .
I doubt they are willing to go get a Joe Thomas and put
Cruz in the slot and give Lewis King or Davis a chance
to Play outside . Also adding another TE or FB wouldn't
be a bad thing either . Knowing this stubborn organization
they will stand pat and try to prove whats obvious not to be the case.
RE: While BBI is looking at the schedule penciling in wins...  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2016 11:35 am : link
In comment 13188846 EricJ said:
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so are the fans of the teams we are playing...counting the game vs the Giants as a win when they watch us on TV with an unbiased view of OUR performance. Maybe not the Browns fans but the Bears fans are saying they have a good shot to beat us. The other teams too.

In the end, none of it means anything. What we have going for us is that we matchup against a few backup QBs.

Yet, you're perfectly ok with penciling in losses? The negativity here absolutely sucks.
RE: Anybody know reported timetable on Big Ben  
Pete in MD : 10/24/2016 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13188482 Jimmy Googs said:
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will he be back against us?



Ben could be back against the Giants, but it's not a definite.
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Under the 4-6 week timetable, Roethlisberger could potentially be out until after Thanksgiving. A six-week absence means Big Ben wouldn't be back in the lineup until Dec. 4, when the Steelers play the Giants in Week 11.

The pessimism surrounding Roethlisberger's return timeline comes from Dr. James Bradley, the man who performed his surgery. According to ESPN.com, Bradley informed Big Ben and the Steelers of the 4-6 week timetable after performing the surgery on Monday.

As for Roethlisberger himself, he didn't sound too enthusiastic about a quick return on Tuesday. In an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Big Ben said that a knee injury he suffered last year could affect his rehab for this year.

"Doc says my knee looked good, but there still was some stuff in there from when I had my bone bruise last season in St. Louis," Roethlisberger said. "He said that might keep me out a little longer than just a simple meniscus tear. Maybe an extra week or so. But there's no way to put an exact timetable on it. It all depends on my pain and how I feel."

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RE: RE: While BBI is looking at the schedule penciling in wins...  
Chris in Philly : 10/24/2016 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13188952 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13188846 EricJ said:


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so are the fans of the teams we are playing...counting the game vs the Giants as a win when they watch us on TV with an unbiased view of OUR performance. Maybe not the Browns fans but the Bears fans are saying they have a good shot to beat us. The other teams too.

In the end, none of it means anything. What we have going for us is that we matchup against a few backup QBs.


Yet, you're perfectly ok with penciling in losses? The negativity here absolutely sucks.


Why do you care so much if people are negative or pessimistic? You shit on Drewcon for no reason. Have you watched this team the last 3 years?
We all try to look ahead on the schedule...  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/24/2016 12:23 pm : link
...and predict wins and losses. Since the advent of the cap and League-wide parity, I've seldom been right about more than 50-60% of the games. Doesn't stop me from trying, but it's a futile exercise.
By the way, Roethlisberger might very well return to face Dallas.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/24/2016 12:51 pm : link
There's even talk now of him coming back a week before that, against Baltimore, per LaConfora (FWIW). Barring another mishap/setback, he should be fine by December 4th, when the Giants visit.

Obviously, the situation is very fluid, and there won't be any solid news until the Steelers resume practice next week. Overall, though, Pittsburgh should field a MUCH healthier squad against Dallas than they did against New England.
RE: Again, it's silly to project wins/loses for extended time frame  
steve in ky : 10/24/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13188502 ZogZerg said:
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Injuries play such a huge role in NFL games. You have no idea how healthy teams will be when we play them.


But it's fun to do and fans have been looking at schedules and guessing how many wins their team might be able to get since the beginnings of the sport.
Brutal  
NYDCBlue : 10/24/2016 3:02 pm : link
That schedule is scary! You are encouraged by that schedule? I only see two wins left on our calendar. The Bears, and the Browns. I don't expect either of those wins to be easy either....
We find out  
area junc : 10/24/2016 3:04 pm : link
if anythings changed next game. In recent years we've gotten smacked in these big games vs the Eagles.
IMO we've been lucky winning the games we won and unlucky  
Blue21 : 10/24/2016 4:14 pm : link
losing the Redskins game. Does that make sense? Nope. But this season is just that. I have no idea from week to week what to expect.
RE: Again, it's silly to project wins/loses for extended time frame  
Les in TO : 10/24/2016 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13188502 ZogZerg said:
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Injuries play such a huge role in NFL games. You have no idea how healthy teams will be when we play them.
yup. both our health and the health of our opponents each week will make a huge difference.
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