Why all the talk about letting DRC go?

He'll be 32 at that time, so if we are interested in keeping him then, it may be a year at a time.

In comment 13188747 pjcas18 said:

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and because it just doesn't make much sense. Even with the 3 CB's the Giants have I believe Wade on the field as much as he's been has cost the Giants games or at the very least contributed to them. Why give up that strength? Unless DRC asked for a trade, and the return was substantial, I'd roll with these three until DRC's contract is up. Again, my thread wasn't a call out thread, more about trying to understand why.

Hey, the insiders may ultimately be proven correct on this. I haven't heard even a modicum of a peep. Until then, I choose not to buy it

Go back and look at some of the plays he came out on...I wouldn't expect him back on the field and there he would be.

Again, none of us know the inner workings. I just thought it was strange how one day DRC being a problem popped up.

In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said:

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and spew nonsense?

Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust

That should only matter when it affects play.

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In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said: Quote: and spew nonsense? Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust

There are a bunch on here who already decided Collins was meh..You will not hear from them beyond the obligatory, "I'm so glad to have been wrong."

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In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said: Quote: and spew nonsense? Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust

Not sure it was the same people. I think Eric started the DRC thread and there might have even been a 2nd thread or at least other people on the thread commenting they have head the same about DRC.

The Collins stuff was just stupid. He was a rookie last year on a historically bad defense and he played 95% of the snaps, 20% more than the next closest person.

In either case I don't think it was the same people unless you were just speaking figuratively.

think that the Giants future all pro LT sucks and should be moved to RT!

not just for games, but during games. is very frustrating for anyone running a defense.....

if DRC is playing at a high level, the Giants may reserve the right to change their minds. Not much to it.

...the Giants might cut DRC after the season b/c they were unhappy wth off-field behavior. I assumed that stuff was coming from mgt, and that it was leaked not b/c the team actually intends to cut him but b/c they wanted to send a message to him to shape up. Precedent suggests that if he continues to produce on the field, he'd have to do something pretty bad off it for them to follow through.

Collins, Eli and Odell are our best players

Collins, Eli and Odell are our best players

Speculation was trade this past offseason, and perhaps a cap casualty next offseason.

In comment 13188596 Chris in Philly said:

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We signed jackrabbit, he's always nicked up, and we spent a top 10 pick on Apple. This wasn't fans coming up with it out of the blue. It was widely speculated in the media. Callings fans moronic because of it is far more moronic.

This. It wasn't Joe Schmoe BBI poster who started these rumors. A lot on BBI didn't understand why the team would let DRC go, others could see the justification if he was going to be perpetually injured and slowly break down over his contract.

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but we have put in lot of resources in terms of money and draft picks into our secondary and people think that it may be better if we put some of those resources into other things.. like LB, DE, TE or OL..

part I never got, in the last two years, his first two with the Giants, he played more snaps than any other CB. Maybe that's relative because they were all injured, but either way facts are facts.

Last year, as I previously posted he was injured first series against ATL (week 2) and missed the next game (WAS) and then wasn't really injured the rest of the season averaging over 90% of the snaps.

The way the game is today you need 3 CB's and paying DRC 8.5M per (on the cap) doesn't seem out of whack to me.

especially while Apple is on his rookie deal. Apple doesn't get extended until after DRC contract is over.

My biggest thing about parting ways with players is who do you replace them with? Right now when DRC is out he's being replaced with Trevin Wade. We see how that works.

In comment 13188824 hitdog42 said:

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not just for games, but during games. is very frustrating for anyone running a defense.....

Can someone clarify this?

He was easily the best defensive player the Giants had last season.

He plays and plays well but he is a guy who gets injured a lot. To me he is perpetually on the injury report. So rumors that the team was looking to move him due to injury concerns and cost (rumors coming from "insiders") made sense to an extent. Eventually the injuries will start to affect his play and his career.

In comment 13189053 Patrick77 said:

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He plays and plays well but he is a guy who gets injured a lot. To me he is perpetually on the injury report. So rumors that the team was looking to move him due to injury concerns and cost (rumors coming from "insiders") made sense to an extent. Eventually the injuries will start to affect his play and his career.

Maybe but even if he's the 3rd CB with Apple on a rookie deal it's money well spent and maybe limits his injury potential.

snap counts don't lie, cutting or trading him because of injuries when every other CB on the team was more injured seems counterproductive. Even Apple as a 21 year old (or whatever he is) has missed more time already this year than 31 year old DRC.

If my choices are pay $8.5M to DRC the next two seasons as insurance or pay Wade league min, it's a no-brainer, until and unless the cap becomes an issue then I can see rolling the dice.

And trade is completely different. For me to like a trade it depends on the return. But no idea why the Giants would want to trade him because of his injury potential, but other teams ignore it and trade the Giants something valuable (player, picks, whatever).

What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.

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What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.

Very true, and that's why I started the thread, I figure like usual there is more to it that some of us don't know.

For all I know DRC could be Plaxico 2.0 in terms of meetings and attendance, and treatment, etc.

and when stories like this get leaked, without the underlying reasons people are left to conjecture.

I would have liked to see him try as FS backup instead of Hall.

is wasting his best skills.

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is wasting his best skills.

Agree, and he has probably the best catch-up speed I've seen in a Giants uniform. It's like watching a video game, when he gets beat sees the ball in the air he catches up like no one I've seen on the Giants.

Even at this age, doesn't seem like he's lost much of a step, if any.

the rumour was he and Spags had as bad a relationship as you could have and it was not fixable. Hopefully time has healed all.

to withstand tackling wear and tear he's admittedly struggled with in the past.

I'm speculating but I think it could have been what they perceived as attitude problems. I have a sneaking suspicion that somehow cheeb was also involved. But that is just 100% a guess.

I thought it was reading the QB and going for the ball when it's in the air.

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In comment 13188818 GeorgeFox said:

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think that the Giants future all pro LT sucks and should be moved to RT!

No, they were very credible people. The OP is correct and you are not.

when DRC took himself out of games last year with what seemed to be minor injuries. It seemed to happen a lot at critical times in the game too. That is what i recall at least. DRC never seemed tough to me by any stretchuntil this year. Amazing how signing a high priced FA CB and drafting another CB in round 1has made DRC tougher.

In comment 13189651 Scuzzlebutt said:

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when DRC took himself out of games last year with what seemed to be minor injuries. It seemed to happen a lot at critical times in the game too. That is what i recall at least. DRC never seemed tough to me by any stretchuntil this year. Amazing how signing a high priced FA CB and drafting another CB in round 1has made DRC tougher.

Are you sure you weren't watching Antonio Cromartie? DRC was/is a warrior..If anything, he played st probably 75% or less last year and refused to nurse his painful groun injury

He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?

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What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.

and yet the team seemed to look the other way with Josh Brown when the red flags were already there. Kind of seems that the organization is inconsistent with what draws their ire.

In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:

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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good. And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?

I thought he was a bit of a late bloomer and finally clicked with Denver, but he was on a one year prove it deal there and ended up getting a long term deal with us.

In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:

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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good. And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?

The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.

He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.

In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:

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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good. And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?

That's actually a good question, that I wonder what the answer is. I mean guys like Randy Moss who were supremely talented but on 4 teams in 9 years you knew why, but I haven't heard anywhere near the same things about DRC - and he's not in the same talent league as Moss, just an example.

Revis might be another example, though again, more talented than DRC, at least he was up until this year perhaps.

Alluding to something off the field that the Giants weren't thrilled with. I think it trailed off with an ellipsis. It certainly doesn't make a lot of sense from a dollars and cents or X's and O's standpoint.

In comment 13189694 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13189679 Go Terps said: Quote: He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good. And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place? The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter. He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.

Im quoting to add on to what he said....no arguments here


He was also damned good with AZ. With Philly, once they got rid of that DC (Castillo?), he became their best defender.

Denver invested their money into Talib and thats when we were able to make a play for DRC.

DRC has been terrific for us.. Pure shutdown. Never leads the league in picks because teams cant throw to his side. His awareness when the ball is in the air is superb. His ability to catch up to guys is so good, I honestly think he leaves receivers a little room to bait the qb into throwing in his direction. The fluidity of his movements is just uncanny.

When I read about us maybe letting him go, I thought it was nuts. He and Jenkins are both top 7 corners in the NFL.

Sportswriters needed something to write about and this what they imagined after the Giants drafted Eli Apple. The more gullible fans ate it up like they do every week whenever a player becomes available because of cuts. Right now the media is talking about Romo, Thomas, Staley, and Smith. Didn't take long for fans to start imagining those guys on their rosters.

and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.

In comment 13190106 JonC said:

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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.

If the talk is true, have you heard anything that indicates the fences have been mended?

the first I read about it on here I believe was after Jenkins was signed.

and Eric I think started the thread, I'm sure it's archived.

Either way, from a fan perspective, I hope the issues, whatever they were are resolved. And at worst DRC is traded (that's what the Pats would do) for a premier pick or player.

I'd love for the next two years to have DRC, Jenkins and Apple all healthy and playing.

A couple additions/replacements to the D and it could be a very solid group.

I haven't heard anything new or recent on DRC. In football terms I see in games, he's competing, he's a willing tackler, and he's making plays, all of which suggest improvement over some things in the past that were talked about.

In comment 13190123 JonC said:

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I haven't heard anything new or recent on DRC. In football terms I see in games, he's competing, he's a willing tackler, and he's making plays, all of which suggest improvement over some things in the past that were talked about.

Ok, thanks

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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.

No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.

In comment 13190211 The Tempest said:

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In comment 13190106 JonC said: Quote: and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple. No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.

He's not wrong. There was chatter about this before Apple was even drafted.

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In comment 13190106 JonC said: Quote: and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple. No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.

Eric and I spoke offline about it well before then, and it was pre-draft. Not everything reaches BBI in print.