Can someone remind me why there was so much discussion this off-season about cutting DRC either before this season or even after this season?
I remember a bunch of threads during the off-season, and even in camp. I didn't pay much attention other than reading the thread titles.
Was it injuries? Money? Other?
I know it's not his play.
With DRC and a healthy Apple and Jenkins this is by far the best CB group I have seen on the Giants since I became a fan.
He is under contract 2 more years and it wouldn't even make much financial sense, if that was the reason, until after 2017.
Looking forward to seeing these guys together with some healthy safeties.
Agree. It almost seemed a fete accompli the way some talked about it. Made it sound like the Giants were not happy with him (taking plays off - literally - due to injury - like against the Saints last year I think he missed one play - a TD to Cooks I believe).
I think it was DRC's $8.5 mill contract and the games he misses to injury that caused the talk. The addition of Apple actually should help keep DRC around.
He's been playing well this year. He makes big tackles and isn't afraid to stick his nose in there.
I hope he gets to stay through his contract.
if no one remembers I can delete this.
Two posters (including Eric)started dropping cryptic hints about him being a problem of some sort but would never come out and say why. I think people just ran from there.
This and as jcn56 said. Rumors supposedly from the organization...I couldn't fathom a team dissing it's best CB. Seemed lame to me.
I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.
I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.
I guess they are all stupid too.
I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.
Not re-signing him would make sense. He'll be around 33 years old and ideally both Jenkins and Apple firmly entrenched as starters and it would be around the time they'd need to start thinking about extending Apple or exercising his option, etc.
Plus in the next couple years another pick on a DB or low profile free agent signing is almost assured.
I just didn't get the point of cutting him before this season as some of the threads alluded to or almost assuredly after this season.
Unless there is more we don't know, which is entirely possible.
If they can keep this secondary group together the next couple years and add a couple key pieces I like this team a lot more.
Some of the speculation was well before the draft and even before Jenkins was signed. There were "grumblings" from insiders that hinted at non-performance related things.
And he doesn't really make that much, relatively speaking. Only an $8M cap hit this year, which rises to $8.5M in 2017 and 2018. His 2016 cap hit is tied for 18th among CBs, 2017 hit is 17th, and 2018 hit is 13th. Though the 'ranking' of his 2017/18 hits will surely be lower once impending FAs are re-signed/extended.
The site owner suggested it.
I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.
Well, he'll be 33 when his contract is up after 2018, so it's anyone's guess if he'll be re-signed then. :-)
I think 'some' of the rumors were related to DRC often taking himself out for stretches of games last year. I don't think he missed any games (maybe 1?), but he'd miss a couple series here and there. Could also be why Apple was getting more snaps than DRC when all 3 were healthy to start the season. I don't think DRC had any nagging injuries at that point, but maybe the coaches wanted to try and prevent him from getting any?
And some of the speculation was just from idiots that like to pretend to be cap experts and go after the sexy FAs. DRC has decent money remaining in 2017/18, but most is non-guaranteed so the Giants can cut him with relatively little dead money.
I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.
He has two years left after this. The rumors were him getting cut this summer not about not getting a new deal.
I think Eric simply said it was a situation worth keeping on the radar.
Again it was a poster who has been right in the past but he presented nothing concrete. I was surprised but obviously none of us have a clue about what's really going on.
Even with the 3 CB's the Giants have I believe Wade on the field as much as he's been has cost the Giants games or at the very least contributed to them.
Why give up that strength? Unless DRC asked for a trade, and the return was substantial, I'd roll with these three until DRC's contract is up.
Again, my thread wasn't a call out thread, more about trying to understand why.
Two posters (including Eric)started dropping cryptic hints about him being a problem of some sort but would never come out and say why. I think people just ran from there.
I think that is what the rumor was regarding the Giants feelings towards him. He did come out of some games last year,
and could be the underlying reason for drafting Apple.
Let the rest of the season play out, see how he finishes.
I could be wrong though.
Even with the 3 CB's the Giants have I believe Wade on the field as much as he's been has cost the Giants games or at the very least contributed to them.
Why give up that strength? Unless DRC asked for a trade, and the return was substantial, I'd roll with these three until DRC's contract is up.
Again, my thread wasn't a call out thread, more about trying to understand why.
Hey, the insiders may ultimately be proven correct on this. I haven't heard even a modicum of a peep. Until then, I choose not to buy it
Again, none of us know the inner workings. I just thought it was strange how one day DRC being a problem popped up.
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and spew nonsense?
Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust
There are a bunch on here who already decided Collins was meh..You will not hear from them beyond the obligatory, "I'm so glad to have been wrong."
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and spew nonsense?
Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust
Not sure it was the same people. I think Eric started the DRC thread and there might have even been a 2nd thread or at least other people on the thread commenting they have head the same about DRC.
The Collins stuff was just stupid. He was a rookie last year on a historically bad defense and he played 95% of the snaps, 20% more than the next closest person.
In either case I don't think it was the same people unless you were just speaking figuratively.
This. It wasn't Joe Schmoe BBI poster who started these rumors. A lot on BBI didn't understand why the team would let DRC go, others could see the justification if he was going to be perpetually injured and slowly break down over his contract.
Last year, as I previously posted he was injured first series against ATL (week 2) and missed the next game (WAS) and then wasn't really injured the rest of the season averaging over 90% of the snaps.
The way the game is today you need 3 CB's and paying DRC 8.5M per (on the cap) doesn't seem out of whack to me.
especially while Apple is on his rookie deal. Apple doesn't get extended until after DRC contract is over.
My biggest thing about parting ways with players is who do you replace them with? Right now when DRC is out he's being replaced with Trevin Wade. We see how that works.
He was easily the best defensive player the Giants had last season.
Maybe but even if he's the 3rd CB with Apple on a rookie deal it's money well spent and maybe limits his injury potential.
snap counts don't lie, cutting or trading him because of injuries when every other CB on the team was more injured seems counterproductive. Even Apple as a 21 year old (or whatever he is) has missed more time already this year than 31 year old DRC.
If my choices are pay $8.5M to DRC the next two seasons as insurance or pay Wade league min, it's a no-brainer, until and unless the cap becomes an issue then I can see rolling the dice.
And trade is completely different. For me to like a trade it depends on the return. But no idea why the Giants would want to trade him because of his injury potential, but other teams ignore it and trade the Giants something valuable (player, picks, whatever).
Very true, and that's why I started the thread, I figure like usual there is more to it that some of us don't know.
For all I know DRC could be Plaxico 2.0 in terms of meetings and attendance, and treatment, etc.
and when stories like this get leaked, without the underlying reasons people are left to conjecture.
Agree, and he has probably the best catch-up speed I've seen in a Giants uniform. It's like watching a video game, when he gets beat sees the ball in the air he catches up like no one I've seen on the Giants.
Even at this age, doesn't seem like he's lost much of a step, if any.
No, they were very credible people. The OP is correct and you are not.
Are you sure you weren't watching Antonio Cromartie? DRC was/is a warrior..If anything, he played st probably 75% or less last year and refused to nurse his painful groun injury
And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
and yet the team seemed to look the other way with Josh Brown when the red flags were already there. Kind of seems that the organization is inconsistent with what draws their ire.
And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
I thought he was a bit of a late bloomer and finally clicked with Denver, but he was on a one year prove it deal there and ended up getting a long term deal with us.
And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.
He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.
And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
That's actually a good question, that I wonder what the answer is. I mean guys like Randy Moss who were supremely talented but on 4 teams in 9 years you knew why, but I haven't heard anywhere near the same things about DRC - and he's not in the same talent league as Moss, just an example.
Revis might be another example, though again, more talented than DRC, at least he was up until this year perhaps.
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.
And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.
He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.
Im quoting to add on to what he said....no arguments here
He was also damned good with AZ. With Philly, once they got rid of that DC (Castillo?), he became their best defender.
Denver invested their money into Talib and thats when we were able to make a play for DRC.
DRC has been terrific for us.. Pure shutdown. Never leads the league in picks because teams cant throw to his side. His awareness when the ball is in the air is superb. His ability to catch up to guys is so good, I honestly think he leaves receivers a little room to bait the qb into throwing in his direction. The fluidity of his movements is just uncanny.
When I read about us maybe letting him go, I thought it was nuts. He and Jenkins are both top 7 corners in the NFL.
If the talk is true, have you heard anything that indicates the fences have been mended?
and Eric I think started the thread, I'm sure it's archived.
Either way, from a fan perspective, I hope the issues, whatever they were are resolved. And at worst DRC is traded (that's what the Pats would do) for a premier pick or player.
I'd love for the next two years to have DRC, Jenkins and Apple all healthy and playing.
A couple additions/replacements to the D and it could be a very solid group.
Ok, thanks
No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.
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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.
No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.
He's not wrong. There was chatter about this before Apple was even drafted.
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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.
No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.
Eric and I spoke offline about it well before then, and it was pre-draft. Not everything reaches BBI in print.