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Why all the talk about letting DRC go?

pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 8:41 am
Can someone remind me why there was so much discussion this off-season about cutting DRC either before this season or even after this season?

I remember a bunch of threads during the off-season, and even in camp. I didn't pay much attention other than reading the thread titles.

Was it injuries? Money? Other?

I know it's not his play.

With DRC and a healthy Apple and Jenkins this is by far the best CB group I have seen on the Giants since I became a fan.

He is under contract 2 more years and it wouldn't even make much financial sense, if that was the reason, until after 2017.

Looking forward to seeing these guys together with some healthy safeties.


Opinion? Silliness.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 8:42 am : link
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RE: Opinion? Silliness.  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 8:45 am : link
In comment 13188533 Big Blue '56 said:
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Agree. It almost seemed a fete accompli the way some talked about it. Made it sound like the Giants were not happy with him (taking plays off - literally - due to injury - like against the Saints last year I think he missed one play - a TD to Cooks I believe).
Makes no sense to let him go at all.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/24/2016 8:48 am : link
He still has his speed, can run with anyone. Has some surprisingly big hits. Seems to be in the right places. The only reason to let him go is for a high draft pick.
Agreed. He a special player.  
section125 : 10/24/2016 8:50 am : link
Jenkins getting a lot of deserved love. DRC is still getting it done.
I think it was DRC's $8.5 mill contract and the games he misses to injury that caused the talk. The addition of Apple actually should help keep DRC around.
He's been playing well this year. He makes big tackles and isn't afraid to stick his nose in there.

I hope he gets to stay through his contract.
because the board has plenty morons who don't understand the game  
BLUATHRT : 10/24/2016 8:52 am : link
and spew nonsense?
Well I didn't intend to insult or call out  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 9:01 am : link
anyone, the threads in the off-season sounded like the source or contributors had information from the Giants, so I was just looking for the reason.

if no one remembers I can delete this.
First I've heard  
Giants2012 : 10/24/2016 9:04 am : link
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Because he makes a lot of money...  
Chris in Philly : 10/24/2016 9:07 am : link
We signed jackrabbit, he's always nicked up, and we spent a top 10 pick on Apple. This wasn't fans coming up with it out of the blue. It was widely speculated in the media. Callings fans moronic because of it is far more moronic.
Because some people are just stupid  
ZogZerg : 10/24/2016 9:09 am : link
I called them out on this at the time.
pj - I remember the threads.  
Diver_Down : 10/24/2016 9:10 am : link
In particular, Eric had alluded to sources within the Giants Organization that DRC had fallen out of favor. He didn't elaborate the details that I recall, but it was a surprise at the time.
There were rumors - unsubstantiated - that the Giants were  
jcn56 : 10/24/2016 9:11 am : link
unhappy with him for non-performance related reasons. They were never elaborated on, so it's hard to say why.
DRC, is always nicked up?  
okiegiant : 10/24/2016 9:12 am : link
He may be nicked occasionally but he hasn't missed a bunch of games. He is one of the toughest players out there.

Two posters (including Eric)started dropping cryptic hints about him being a problem of some sort but would never come out and say why. I think people just ran from there.
does he really make a lot of money though?  
UConn4523 : 10/24/2016 9:12 am : link
his next 2 years are cheap, IMO. We also need 3 above average CB's to compete, as you figure 1 will be banged up or out on a week to week basis.
RE: pj - I remember the threads.  
section125 : 10/24/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 13188604 Diver_Down said:
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In particular, Eric had alluded to sources within the Giants Organization that DRC had fallen out of favor. He didn't elaborate the details that I recall, but it was a surprise at the time.


This and as jcn56 said. Rumors supposedly from the organization...I couldn't fathom a team dissing it's best CB. Seemed lame to me.
It wasn't rumors..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/24/2016 9:17 am : link
about performance. It is more about rumors that the front office has been unhappy with his attitude, and there is still a prevalent feeling he won't be resigned when his contract is up.

I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.
RE: It wasn't rumors..  
Chris in Philly : 10/24/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13188626 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about performance. It is more about rumors that the front office has been unhappy with his attitude, and there is still a prevalent feeling he won't be resigned when his contract is up.

I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.


I guess they are all stupid too.
RE: It wasn't rumors..  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 9:42 am : link
In comment 13188626 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about performance. It is more about rumors that the front office has been unhappy with his attitude, and there is still a prevalent feeling he won't be resigned when his contract is up.

I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.


Not re-signing him would make sense. He'll be around 33 years old and ideally both Jenkins and Apple firmly entrenched as starters and it would be around the time they'd need to start thinking about extending Apple or exercising his option, etc.

Plus in the next couple years another pick on a DB or low profile free agent signing is almost assured.

I just didn't get the point of cutting him before this season as some of the threads alluded to or almost assuredly after this season.

Unless there is more we don't know, which is entirely possible.

If they can keep this secondary group together the next couple years and add a couple key pieces I like this team a lot more.
RE: Because he makes a lot of money...  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 9:43 am : link
In comment 13188596 Chris in Philly said:
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We signed jackrabbit, he's always nicked up, and we spent a top 10 pick on Apple. This wasn't fans coming up with it out of the blue. It was widely speculated in the media. Callings fans moronic because of it is far more moronic.


Some of the speculation was well before the draft and even before Jenkins was signed. There were "grumblings" from insiders that hinted at non-performance related things.

And he doesn't really make that much, relatively speaking. Only an $8M cap hit this year, which rises to $8.5M in 2017 and 2018. His 2016 cap hit is tied for 18th among CBs, 2017 hit is 17th, and 2018 hit is 13th. Though the 'ranking' of his 2017/18 hits will surely be lower once impending FAs are re-signed/extended.
RE: because the board has plenty morons who don't understand the game  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/24/2016 9:47 am : link
In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said:
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and spew nonsense?


The site owner suggested it.
RE: It wasn't rumors..  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 9:48 am : link
In comment 13188626 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about performance. It is more about rumors that the front office has been unhappy with his attitude, and there is still a prevalent feeling he won't be resigned when his contract is up.

I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.


Well, he'll be 33 when his contract is up after 2018, so it's anyone's guess if he'll be re-signed then. :-)

I think 'some' of the rumors were related to DRC often taking himself out for stretches of games last year. I don't think he missed any games (maybe 1?), but he'd miss a couple series here and there. Could also be why Apple was getting more snaps than DRC when all 3 were healthy to start the season. I don't think DRC had any nagging injuries at that point, but maybe the coaches wanted to try and prevent him from getting any?

And some of the speculation was just from idiots that like to pretend to be cap experts and go after the sexy FAs. DRC has decent money remaining in 2017/18, but most is non-guaranteed so the Giants can cut him with relatively little dead money.
RE: It wasn't rumors..  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/24/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 13188626 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about performance. It is more about rumors that the front office has been unhappy with his attitude, and there is still a prevalent feeling he won't be resigned when his contract is up.

I don't know what the issues are, but it has been touched upon by Eric and quite a few others who have contacts either with the team or the beat writers.


He has two years left after this. The rumors were him getting cut this summer not about not getting a new deal.
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/24/2016 9:54 am : link
any of the rumors were about him getting cut. The openness to trading him was raised and there was speculation he was unhappy about the Jenkins signing and drafting of Apple.

I think Eric simply said it was a situation worth keeping on the radar.
Sorry fellas, but there have been a ton of "inside"  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 9:56 am : link
info/speculation that has been proven wrong, i.e. Draft and FA info..I don't ascribe to the "where there's smoke there's fire" declarations on here..Eric and other people who have been privy to things I haven't been has been wrong, many, many times. Not a knock on E as he reports what he's "heard." The usual disclaimer offered here is "well, things are fluid" which is certainly true to a degree but hardly definitive as to why things have been gotten wrong on here..I have seen NO REASONABLE PROOF about DRC's status with the heirarchy..I opt not to believe it..
FMIC, We would have to go back and look...  
okiegiant : 10/24/2016 9:59 am : link
And that ain't gonna happen, but at least one poster suggested the Giants were unhappy with something not performance related and he could be released. This was back in the summer.

Again it was a poster who has been right in the past but he presented nothing concrete. I was surprised but obviously none of us have a clue about what's really going on.
Agree BB '56  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 10:01 am : link
and because it just doesn't make much sense.

Even with the 3 CB's the Giants have I believe Wade on the field as much as he's been has cost the Giants games or at the very least contributed to them.

Why give up that strength? Unless DRC asked for a trade, and the return was substantial, I'd roll with these three until DRC's contract is up.

Again, my thread wasn't a call out thread, more about trying to understand why.
RE: DRC, is always nicked up?  
Carson53 : 10/24/2016 10:01 am : link
In comment 13188611 okiegiant said:
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He may be nicked occasionally but he hasn't missed a bunch of games. He is one of the toughest players out there.

Two posters (including Eric)started dropping cryptic hints about him being a problem of some sort but would never come out and say why. I think people just ran from there.
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I think that is what the rumor was regarding the Giants feelings towards him. He did come out of some games last year,
and could be the underlying reason for drafting Apple.
Let the rest of the season play out, see how he finishes.
okie..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/24/2016 10:02 am : link
that's possible. I only remember the discussion about the FO being unhappy with him and that they would be open to trading him and then not resigning him when the contract runs out. I thought the releasing him discussion was more of a side discussion of rampant speculation.

I could be wrong though.
His contract runs for 2 seasons after this.  
Ira : 10/24/2016 10:03 am : link
He'll be 32 at that time, so if we are interested in keeping him then, it may be a year at a time.
RE: Agree BB '56  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 10:04 am : link
In comment 13188747 pjcas18 said:
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and because it just doesn't make much sense.

Even with the 3 CB's the Giants have I believe Wade on the field as much as he's been has cost the Giants games or at the very least contributed to them.

Why give up that strength? Unless DRC asked for a trade, and the return was substantial, I'd roll with these three until DRC's contract is up.

Again, my thread wasn't a call out thread, more about trying to understand why.


Hey, the insiders may ultimately be proven correct on this. I haven't heard even a modicum of a peep. Until then, I choose not to buy it
But on the nicked up thing...  
okiegiant : 10/24/2016 10:04 am : link
Go back and look at some of the plays he came out on...I wouldn't expect him back on the field and there he would be.

Again, none of us know the inner workings. I just thought it was strange how one day DRC being a problem popped up.
RE: because the board has plenty morons who don't understand the game  
djstat : 10/24/2016 10:19 am : link
In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said:
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and spew nonsense?
Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust
If it s attitude  
joeinpa : 10/24/2016 10:21 am : link
That should only matter when it affects play.
RE: RE: because the board has plenty morons who don't understand the game  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13188789 djstat said:
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In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said:


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and spew nonsense?

Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust


There are a bunch on here who already decided Collins was meh..You will not hear from them beyond the obligatory, "I'm so glad to have been wrong."
RE: RE: because the board has plenty morons who don't understand the game  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 13188789 djstat said:
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In comment 13188550 BLUATHRT said:


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and spew nonsense?

Those are the same people who spent all off season referring to Landon Collins as a bust


Not sure it was the same people. I think Eric started the DRC thread and there might have even been a 2nd thread or at least other people on the thread commenting they have head the same about DRC.

The Collins stuff was just stupid. He was a rookie last year on a historically bad defense and he played 95% of the snaps, 20% more than the next closest person.

In either case I don't think it was the same people unless you were just speaking figuratively.
Those who thought DRC should be let go are the same people who  
GeorgeFox : 10/24/2016 10:29 am : link
think that the Giants future all pro LT sucks and should be moved to RT!
reliability  
hitdog42 : 10/24/2016 10:32 am : link
not just for games, but during games. is very frustrating for anyone running a defense.....
The bottom line is that things change in this business,  
barens : 10/24/2016 11:02 am : link
if DRC is playing at a high level, the Giants may reserve the right to change their minds. Not much to it.
IIRC, some of the beat writers were suggesting...  
Seventh Spiel : 10/24/2016 11:12 am : link
...the Giants might cut DRC after the season b/c they were unhappy wth off-field behavior. I assumed that stuff was coming from mgt, and that it was leaked not b/c the team actually intends to cut him but b/c they wanted to send a message to him to shape up. Precedent suggests that if he continues to produce on the field, he'd have to do something pretty bad off it for them to follow through.
DRC  
Giants86 : 10/24/2016 11:37 am : link
Collins, Eli and Odell are our best players
DRC  
Giants86 : 10/24/2016 11:37 am : link
Collins, Eli and Odell are our best players
Fats and CiP have it right  
JonC : 10/24/2016 11:40 am : link
Speculation was trade this past offseason, and perhaps a cap casualty next offseason.
RE: Because he makes a lot of money...  
Patrick77 : 10/24/2016 11:50 am : link
In comment 13188596 Chris in Philly said:
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We signed jackrabbit, he's always nicked up, and we spent a top 10 pick on Apple. This wasn't fans coming up with it out of the blue. It was widely speculated in the media. Callings fans moronic because of it is far more moronic.


This. It wasn't Joe Schmoe BBI poster who started these rumors. A lot on BBI didn't understand why the team would let DRC go, others could see the justification if he was going to be perpetually injured and slowly break down over his contract.
in this league we would be fools to let him walk  
gtt350 : 10/24/2016 11:57 am : link
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I think letting him go would be a huge mistake  
chuckydee9 : 10/24/2016 12:02 pm : link
but we have put in lot of resources in terms of money and draft picks into our secondary and people think that it may be better if we put some of those resources into other things.. like LB, DE, TE or OL..
The perpetually injured  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 12:06 pm : link
part I never got, in the last two years, his first two with the Giants, he played more snaps than any other CB. Maybe that's relative because they were all injured, but either way facts are facts.

Last year, as I previously posted he was injured first series against ATL (week 2) and missed the next game (WAS) and then wasn't really injured the rest of the season averaging over 90% of the snaps.

The way the game is today you need 3 CB's and paying DRC 8.5M per (on the cap) doesn't seem out of whack to me.

especially while Apple is on his rookie deal. Apple doesn't get extended until after DRC contract is over.

My biggest thing about parting ways with players is who do you replace them with? Right now when DRC is out he's being replaced with Trevin Wade. We see how that works.

RE: reliability  
Toth029 : 10/24/2016 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13188824 hitdog42 said:
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not just for games, but during games. is very frustrating for anyone running a defense.....
Can someone clarify this?

He was easily the best defensive player the Giants had last season.
pjacs he is usually injured IMO  
Patrick77 : 10/24/2016 12:15 pm : link
He plays and plays well but he is a guy who gets injured a lot. To me he is perpetually on the injury report. So rumors that the team was looking to move him due to injury concerns and cost (rumors coming from "insiders") made sense to an extent. Eventually the injuries will start to affect his play and his career.
RE: pjacs he is usually injured IMO  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13189053 Patrick77 said:
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He plays and plays well but he is a guy who gets injured a lot. To me he is perpetually on the injury report. So rumors that the team was looking to move him due to injury concerns and cost (rumors coming from "insiders") made sense to an extent. Eventually the injuries will start to affect his play and his career.


Maybe but even if he's the 3rd CB with Apple on a rookie deal it's money well spent and maybe limits his injury potential.

snap counts don't lie, cutting or trading him because of injuries when every other CB on the team was more injured seems counterproductive. Even Apple as a 21 year old (or whatever he is) has missed more time already this year than 31 year old DRC.

If my choices are pay $8.5M to DRC the next two seasons as insurance or pay Wade league min, it's a no-brainer, until and unless the cap becomes an issue then I can see rolling the dice.

And trade is completely different. For me to like a trade it depends on the return. But no idea why the Giants would want to trade him because of his injury potential, but other teams ignore it and trade the Giants something valuable (player, picks, whatever).
pj  
JonC : 10/24/2016 12:52 pm : link
What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.



RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13189131 JonC said:
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What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.




Very true, and that's why I started the thread, I figure like usual there is more to it that some of us don't know.

For all I know DRC could be Plaxico 2.0 in terms of meetings and attendance, and treatment, etc.

and when stories like this get leaked, without the underlying reasons people are left to conjecture.
I didn't think too favorably about DRC playing the slot but  
Ivan15 : 10/24/2016 1:23 pm : link
I would have liked to see him try as FS backup instead of Hall.
DRC at FS  
JonC : 10/24/2016 1:29 pm : link
is wasting his best skills.
RE: DRC at FS  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13189197 JonC said:
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is wasting his best skills.


Agree, and he has probably the best catch-up speed I've seen in a Giants uniform. It's like watching a video game, when he gets beat sees the ball in the air he catches up like no one I've seen on the Giants.

Even at this age, doesn't seem like he's lost much of a step, if any.
I believe  
English Alaister : 10/24/2016 1:39 pm : link
the rumour was he and Spags had as bad a relationship as you could have and it was not fixable. Hopefully time has healed all.
and he's done it while packing on extra lbs  
JonC : 10/24/2016 1:39 pm : link
to withstand tackling wear and tear he's admittedly struggled with in the past.
It was off the field issues  
Vanzetti : 10/24/2016 1:42 pm : link
I'm speculating but I think it could have been what they perceived as attitude problems. I have a sneaking suspicion that somehow cheeb was also involved. But that is just 100% a guess.
What do you think is his best skill? One on one cover?  
Ivan15 : 10/24/2016 2:11 pm : link
I thought it was reading the QB and going for the ball when it's in the air.
man press cornerback  
JonC : 10/24/2016 2:18 pm : link
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RE: Those who thought DRC should be let go are the same people who  
DonQuixote : 10/24/2016 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13188818 GeorgeFox said:
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think that the Giants future all pro LT sucks and should be moved to RT!


No, they were very credible people. The OP is correct and you are not.
there were numerous times  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/24/2016 6:11 pm : link
when DRC took himself out of games last year with what seemed to be minor injuries. It seemed to happen a lot at critical times in the game too. That is what i recall at least. DRC never seemed tough to me by any stretchuntil this year. Amazing how signing a high priced FA CB and drafting another CB in round 1has made DRC tougher.
RE: there were numerous times  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13189651 Scuzzlebutt said:
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when DRC took himself out of games last year with what seemed to be minor injuries. It seemed to happen a lot at critical times in the game too. That is what i recall at least. DRC never seemed tough to me by any stretchuntil this year. Amazing how signing a high priced FA CB and drafting another CB in round 1has made DRC tougher.


Are you sure you weren't watching Antonio Cromartie? DRC was/is a warrior..If anything, he played st probably 75% or less last year and refused to nurse his painful groun injury
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Go Terps : 10/24/2016 7:02 pm : link
He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
RE: pj  
David in LA : 10/24/2016 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13189131 JonC said:
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What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.




and yet the team seemed to look the other way with Josh Brown when the red flags were already there. Kind of seems that the organization is inconsistent with what draws their ire.
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David in LA : 10/24/2016 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?


I thought he was a bit of a late bloomer and finally clicked with Denver, but he was on a one year prove it deal there and ended up getting a long term deal with us.
RE: .  
arcarsenal : 10/24/2016 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?


The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.

He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?


That's actually a good question, that I wonder what the answer is. I mean guys like Randy Moss who were supremely talented but on 4 teams in 9 years you knew why, but I haven't heard anywhere near the same things about DRC - and he's not in the same talent league as Moss, just an example.

Revis might be another example, though again, more talented than DRC, at least he was up until this year perhaps.
I think the original, vague comment came from 'hitdog'  
wigs in nyc : 10/24/2016 7:29 pm : link
Alluding to something off the field that the Giants weren't thrilled with. I think it trailed off with an ellipsis. It certainly doesn't make a lot of sense from a dollars and cents or X's and O's standpoint.
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chopperhatch : 10/24/2016 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13189694 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:


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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?



The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.

He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.


Im quoting to add on to what he said....no arguments here


He was also damned good with AZ. With Philly, once they got rid of that DC (Castillo?), he became their best defender.

Denver invested their money into Talib and thats when we were able to make a play for DRC.

DRC has been terrific for us.. Pure shutdown. Never leads the league in picks because teams cant throw to his side. His awareness when the ball is in the air is superb. His ability to catch up to guys is so good, I honestly think he leaves receivers a little room to bait the qb into throwing in his direction. The fluidity of his movements is just uncanny.

When I read about us maybe letting him go, I thought it was nuts. He and Jenkins are both top 7 corners in the NFL.
The reason for the talk is simple  
The Tempest : 10/25/2016 9:21 am : link
Sportswriters needed something to write about and this what they imagined after the Giants drafted Eli Apple. The more gullible fans ate it up like they do every week whenever a player becomes available because of cuts. Right now the media is talking about Romo, Thomas, Staley, and Smith. Didn't take long for fans to start imagining those guys on their rosters.
The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
JonC : 10/25/2016 9:22 am : link
and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.
RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2016 9:24 am : link
In comment 13190106 JonC said:
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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.


If the talk is true, have you heard anything that indicates the fences have been mended?
Yeah  
pjcas18 : 10/25/2016 9:25 am : link
the first I read about it on here I believe was after Jenkins was signed.

and Eric I think started the thread, I'm sure it's archived.

Either way, from a fan perspective, I hope the issues, whatever they were are resolved. And at worst DRC is traded (that's what the Pats would do) for a premier pick or player.

I'd love for the next two years to have DRC, Jenkins and Apple all healthy and playing.

A couple additions/replacements to the D and it could be a very solid group.
BB  
JonC : 10/25/2016 9:28 am : link
I haven't heard anything new or recent on DRC. In football terms I see in games, he's competing, he's a willing tackler, and he's making plays, all of which suggest improvement over some things in the past that were talked about.
RE: BB  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2016 9:33 am : link
In comment 13190123 JonC said:
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I haven't heard anything new or recent on DRC. In football terms I see in games, he's competing, he's a willing tackler, and he's making plays, all of which suggest improvement over some things in the past that were talked about.


Ok, thanks
RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
The Tempest : 10/25/2016 10:03 am : link
In comment 13190106 JonC said:
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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.


No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.
RE: RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
arcarsenal : 10/25/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13190211 The Tempest said:
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In comment 13190106 JonC said:


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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.



No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.


He's not wrong. There was chatter about this before Apple was even drafted.
RE: RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
JonC : 10/25/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13190211 The Tempest said:
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In comment 13190106 JonC said:


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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.



No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.


Eric and I spoke offline about it well before then, and it was pre-draft. Not everything reaches BBI in print.
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