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Why all the talk about letting DRC go?

pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 8:41 am
Can someone remind me why there was so much discussion this off-season about cutting DRC either before this season or even after this season?

I remember a bunch of threads during the off-season, and even in camp. I didn't pay much attention other than reading the thread titles.

Was it injuries? Money? Other?

I know it's not his play.

With DRC and a healthy Apple and Jenkins this is by far the best CB group I have seen on the Giants since I became a fan.

He is under contract 2 more years and it wouldn't even make much financial sense, if that was the reason, until after 2017.

Looking forward to seeing these guys together with some healthy safeties.


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I didn't think too favorably about DRC playing the slot but  
Ivan15 : 10/24/2016 1:23 pm : link
I would have liked to see him try as FS backup instead of Hall.
DRC at FS  
JonC : 10/24/2016 1:29 pm : link
is wasting his best skills.
RE: DRC at FS  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13189197 JonC said:
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is wasting his best skills.


Agree, and he has probably the best catch-up speed I've seen in a Giants uniform. It's like watching a video game, when he gets beat sees the ball in the air he catches up like no one I've seen on the Giants.

Even at this age, doesn't seem like he's lost much of a step, if any.
I believe  
English Alaister : 10/24/2016 1:39 pm : link
the rumour was he and Spags had as bad a relationship as you could have and it was not fixable. Hopefully time has healed all.
and he's done it while packing on extra lbs  
JonC : 10/24/2016 1:39 pm : link
to withstand tackling wear and tear he's admittedly struggled with in the past.
It was off the field issues  
Vanzetti : 10/24/2016 1:42 pm : link
I'm speculating but I think it could have been what they perceived as attitude problems. I have a sneaking suspicion that somehow cheeb was also involved. But that is just 100% a guess.
What do you think is his best skill? One on one cover?  
Ivan15 : 10/24/2016 2:11 pm : link
I thought it was reading the QB and going for the ball when it's in the air.
man press cornerback  
JonC : 10/24/2016 2:18 pm : link
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RE: Those who thought DRC should be let go are the same people who  
DonQuixote : 10/24/2016 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13188818 GeorgeFox said:
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think that the Giants future all pro LT sucks and should be moved to RT!


No, they were very credible people. The OP is correct and you are not.
there were numerous times  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/24/2016 6:11 pm : link
when DRC took himself out of games last year with what seemed to be minor injuries. It seemed to happen a lot at critical times in the game too. That is what i recall at least. DRC never seemed tough to me by any stretchuntil this year. Amazing how signing a high priced FA CB and drafting another CB in round 1has made DRC tougher.
RE: there were numerous times  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2016 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13189651 Scuzzlebutt said:
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when DRC took himself out of games last year with what seemed to be minor injuries. It seemed to happen a lot at critical times in the game too. That is what i recall at least. DRC never seemed tough to me by any stretchuntil this year. Amazing how signing a high priced FA CB and drafting another CB in round 1has made DRC tougher.


Are you sure you weren't watching Antonio Cromartie? DRC was/is a warrior..If anything, he played st probably 75% or less last year and refused to nurse his painful groun injury
.  
Go Terps : 10/24/2016 7:02 pm : link
He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?
RE: pj  
David in LA : 10/24/2016 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13189131 JonC said:
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What I'd heard last offseason boiled down to personality conflicts being in play, and it was up to the player to make some changes. At the end of the day, his relative value on the football field isn't the only component under consideration.




and yet the team seemed to look the other way with Josh Brown when the red flags were already there. Kind of seems that the organization is inconsistent with what draws their ire.
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David in LA : 10/24/2016 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?


I thought he was a bit of a late bloomer and finally clicked with Denver, but he was on a one year prove it deal there and ended up getting a long term deal with us.
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arcarsenal : 10/24/2016 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?


The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.

He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.
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pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:
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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?


That's actually a good question, that I wonder what the answer is. I mean guys like Randy Moss who were supremely talented but on 4 teams in 9 years you knew why, but I haven't heard anywhere near the same things about DRC - and he's not in the same talent league as Moss, just an example.

Revis might be another example, though again, more talented than DRC, at least he was up until this year perhaps.
I think the original, vague comment came from 'hitdog'  
wigs in nyc : 10/24/2016 7:29 pm : link
Alluding to something off the field that the Giants weren't thrilled with. I think it trailed off with an ellipsis. It certainly doesn't make a lot of sense from a dollars and cents or X's and O's standpoint.
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chopperhatch : 10/24/2016 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13189694 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13189679 Go Terps said:


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He's exceeded my expectations here. When he plays he's pretty damn good.

And that leads one to the obvious question: why is a corner of this size, speed, and technical ability on his fourth team in nine years? And why has he never spent more than three years in one place?



The Eagles deployed him incorrectly.. much like they did DeMarco Murray who has been one of the best and most consistent RB's in football this year on a team that utilizes him the right way. And to get him, the Eagles dealt a 2nd rder and Kevin Kolb whom the Cardinals stupidly believed was a capable NFL starter.

He played really well in Denver but we signed him when he hit FA.


Im quoting to add on to what he said....no arguments here


He was also damned good with AZ. With Philly, once they got rid of that DC (Castillo?), he became their best defender.

Denver invested their money into Talib and thats when we were able to make a play for DRC.

DRC has been terrific for us.. Pure shutdown. Never leads the league in picks because teams cant throw to his side. His awareness when the ball is in the air is superb. His ability to catch up to guys is so good, I honestly think he leaves receivers a little room to bait the qb into throwing in his direction. The fluidity of his movements is just uncanny.

When I read about us maybe letting him go, I thought it was nuts. He and Jenkins are both top 7 corners in the NFL.
The reason for the talk is simple  
The Tempest : 10/25/2016 9:21 am : link
Sportswriters needed something to write about and this what they imagined after the Giants drafted Eli Apple. The more gullible fans ate it up like they do every week whenever a player becomes available because of cuts. Right now the media is talking about Romo, Thomas, Staley, and Smith. Didn't take long for fans to start imagining those guys on their rosters.
The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
JonC : 10/25/2016 9:22 am : link
and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.
RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2016 9:24 am : link
In comment 13190106 JonC said:
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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.


If the talk is true, have you heard anything that indicates the fences have been mended?
Yeah  
pjcas18 : 10/25/2016 9:25 am : link
the first I read about it on here I believe was after Jenkins was signed.

and Eric I think started the thread, I'm sure it's archived.

Either way, from a fan perspective, I hope the issues, whatever they were are resolved. And at worst DRC is traded (that's what the Pats would do) for a premier pick or player.

I'd love for the next two years to have DRC, Jenkins and Apple all healthy and playing.

A couple additions/replacements to the D and it could be a very solid group.
BB  
JonC : 10/25/2016 9:28 am : link
I haven't heard anything new or recent on DRC. In football terms I see in games, he's competing, he's a willing tackler, and he's making plays, all of which suggest improvement over some things in the past that were talked about.
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Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2016 9:33 am : link
In comment 13190123 JonC said:
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I haven't heard anything new or recent on DRC. In football terms I see in games, he's competing, he's a willing tackler, and he's making plays, all of which suggest improvement over some things in the past that were talked about.


Ok, thanks
RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
The Tempest : 10/25/2016 10:03 am : link
In comment 13190106 JonC said:
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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.


No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.
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arcarsenal : 10/25/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13190211 The Tempest said:
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In comment 13190106 JonC said:


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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.



No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.


He's not wrong. There was chatter about this before Apple was even drafted.
RE: RE: The catalyst wasn't sportswriters  
JonC : 10/25/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13190211 The Tempest said:
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In comment 13190106 JonC said:


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and the chatter started before the draft pick of Apple.



No you are wrong. Eric created that thread the same day ESPN reported it. Then the story was picked up by a couple of other websites. The NFL draft was at the end of April.


Eric and I spoke offline about it well before then, and it was pre-draft. Not everything reaches BBI in print.
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