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Really excited about our secondary!

Josh in the City : 10/24/2016 9:11 am
Especially with Thompson coming back off the bye I truly believe we have one of the top 5 secondaries in the league. Our defense has done an excellent job keeping us in games (and even winning some) in the first 7 games of the season and most of that credit should be given to the secondary. Even when QB's have all day to throw, you don't see many big plays against us and our DB's never seem to allow any yards after the catch.

Jenkins and DRC have both been fantastic and Eli Apple has looked really good in the games that he's played. We also finally seem to be using Collins in his natural position as a strong safety playing closer to the line and he has been unbelievable in both run support, blitzing ability, and covering the underneath routes.

The one hole we've seen early in the year was when players were forced into the lineup due to injury (looking at Wade & Adams) and they were somewhat exposed. But when Thompson comes back after the bye I'm really looking forward to see this group continue to progress and play well. If we can get our pass rush going (we saw it a bit yesterday) then this defense can be a dangerous group.
I agree...  
ryanmkeane : 10/24/2016 9:17 am : link
but everyone keeps saying Thompson is back after the bye...is this confirmed or a definite? We haven't heard anything.
Front 4 has been rightfully panned this year  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 9:20 am : link
but they deserve some credit for yesterday, Vernon in particular. No sacks for Vernon, but he was generating a lot of (quick) pressure:

- Drew a hold that negated a 25+ yard pass
- Forced fumble, though unfortunately Keenum got a lucky bounce and was able to pick it up and get rid of it
- Quick pressure off the edge on one play forced Keenum to step up right into Bromley for the sack
- Quick pressure on another play led to an INT (IIRC, this was Collins' 2nd pick)

While the final pick of the game was a gimme due to the miscommunication, the pressure Keenum had been facing all game, particularly in the 2nd half, definitely contributed (and JPP had a sack if he held it another 0.5 sec).

Overall, only 3 sacks on the day, but the pressure definitely contributed to the 4 picks (well the last 3 picks).
RE: I agree...  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 9:22 am : link
In comment 13188624 ryanmkeane said:
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but everyone keeps saying Thompson is back after the bye...is this confirmed or a definite? We haven't heard anything.


IIRC, it's been ~1.5 weeks since he took the boot off. No 'definitive' time table's been given, but the beats have implied that PHI is the expectation barring a setback.
A dramatic improvement  
averagejoe : 10/24/2016 9:22 am : link
but they need Thompson back ASAP. Everybody loves him but he never plays. I sure hope he is able to play soon and stay healthy the rest of the way. Jenkins, Collins, Apple, and DRC are all playing at a high level. It is great to see.
I just wish  
MTN-G-man : 10/24/2016 9:37 am : link
we could be excited about our offense. :^(
I'm with you, Josh  
exiled : 10/24/2016 9:40 am : link
!!!
RE: A dramatic improvement  
Giantology : 10/24/2016 9:43 am : link
In comment 13188640 averagejoe said:
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but they need Thompson back ASAP. Everybody loves him but he never plays. I sure hope he is able to play soon and stay healthy the rest of the way. Jenkins, Collins, Apple, and DRC are all playing at a high level. It is great to see.


Everybody loves him because he looks more like a veteran than 3rd round pick when he's been on the field. He was making an impact in Weeks 1 and 2 before going down, I certainly hope he can stay healthy the rest of the year. There's a big difference between having Thompson back there, instead of Adams.
I don't quite get the negative focus on Adams  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/24/2016 10:03 am : link
He is the third string Free Safety playing in his first year. Its not like he has been getting first team reps until the last two weeks. I think, all things considered, he has held up pretty well. He is only going to get better with play time.
RE: I don't quite get the negative focus on Adams  
Carthonfan : 10/24/2016 10:13 am : link
In comment 13188754 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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He is the third string Free Safety playing in his first year. Its not like he has been getting first team reps until the last two weeks. I think, all things considered, he has held up pretty well. He is only going to get better with play time.


I believe the discussion has been about the weakness of the secondary and it has been Adams. Nobody is saying that he cant develop further but it is a clear drop off in talent and he let up the only TD of the game yesterday. If they have a quality FS in his place, it would complete the puzzle in the secondary.

On a separate but related note, it appears that TE and slot receiver coverage has improved dramatically since the beginning of the year. Admittedly, the quality of the competition has decreased but this is still encouraging.
Just think how good the defensive backfield could be if the DL  
GeorgeFox : 10/24/2016 10:21 am : link
could get more pressure!
Apple on the field  
Matt in SGS : 10/24/2016 10:42 am : link
meant that Wade was not. There was no obvious guy for the Rams to go after and that lets Hall settle in his role better as well. And it helps that Keenum is a bum. He had Britt for a wide open 80 yarder and over threw him. A more accurate QB and we are saying very different things. But that happens, not every pass is perfect.
Add in the coverage of our LBers  
Simms11 : 10/24/2016 12:23 pm : link
Both Robinson and to a lesser extent Casillas and I like our ability to cover. We do need to shore up the 3rd down coverage however. We're like in the bottom of the league as far as allowing 3rd down conversions and that's keeping the defense on the field and the offense off of it. And so much as I like the coverage, it has to get better on 3rd downs. Allowing a 3rd and 22 conversion is not good.
Yes this is something to be cautiously optimistic about  
DavidinBMNY : 10/24/2016 3:18 pm : link
Keep in mind both returning safeties have missed a fair amount of time now. To expect them to be game ready right away after missing 4 or more games is a bit of a stretch.

At the same time given Adams has done fairly well and has experience this unit is now deep and that's good news.

It also allows Spags more versatility and should help against pass receiving TE's.
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