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NFT: Knicks Chat: Hornacek hopes Randle returns

DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 12:16 pm
“Well, we liked those guys we had to waive,” Hornacek said Saturday. “It’s a tough thing to do. All these guys are capable players. We have to look at our roster and see the different balance that we have. Chasson, he’s done a great job for us. We hope all these guys get other jobs and other teams pick them up, but our hope is if he doesn’t go to another team he stays with our organization. We really liked what he did for us.“


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I'd also take  
giantsfan44ab : 10/24/2016 7:10 pm : link
McGary over Plumlee. I know its not much of a debate but factoring in all the issues McGary has starter potential. Maybe not on this team, but at least give him a 1 year shot like Jennings.
Two inactives tomorrow:  
Anakim : 10/24/2016 7:28 pm : link
Marshall Plumlee and Maurice N'dour
I would replace Baker  
Carl in CT : 10/24/2016 9:44 pm : link
With another big.
RE: I would replace Baker  
Del Shofner : 10/24/2016 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13189825 Carl in CT said:
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With another big.


can't cut Baker ... our last link to the '70s!
Don't expect a victory tonight  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 7:27 am : link
But expecting to be competitive.
Our starting 5 hasn't played a game together yet  
Canton : 10/25/2016 7:42 am : link
I expect a lot of growing pains until they find that cohesiveness and chemistry needed to win ball games.
Knicks hype video  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 7:55 am : link
Has me hooked. Ready for the season to start!
Link - ( New Window )
i dont know if everyone has heard  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 8:12 am : link
game was moved to 730 because of world series...
RE: Don't expect a victory tonight  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13189975 Carl in CT said:
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But expecting to be competitive.


I dont expect a win toniight but as the season goes on i think knicks match up well with thr cavs...

it is going to be funny to see melo react to how his team plays lebron because noah and rose absolutely hate him, jennings and shumpert hate eaxh other..

RE: RE: Don't expect a victory tonight  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 8:33 am : link
In comment 13190015 nygiants16 said:
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But expecting to be competitive.



I dont expect a win toniight but as the season goes on i think knicks match up well with thr cavs...

it is going to be funny to see melo react to how his team plays lebron because noah and rose absolutely hate him, jennings and shumpert hate eaxh other..


Yes. If the Knicks can be competitive, this can be a fun game for sure because of the personalities.
I would like to see a version of the 90's Knicks  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 8:49 am : link
With stellar defense. Lee is an upgrade there at the 2 and Noah at the 5. But I don't think we made enough improvement there. We will see soon enough.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 9:09 am : link
suspect Noah will play less than his usual minutes given the comments from Hornacek/Noah the past few days. Might get some Willy earlier than expected.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 9:31 am : link
preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat
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RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 13190133 DanMetroMan said:
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preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat Link - ( New Window )


love herring, tells it like it is with no agenda
RE: I would replace Baker  
Deej : 10/25/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 13189825 Carl in CT said:
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With another big.


Our best depth is already at the 4/5. Noah, Porz, KOQ, Willy, Plumlee and then our collection of swing forwards: Melo, Thomas, Cheese, and Ndour. Plus my sense is that there are always more available NBADL bigs who are playable than smalls. We need more depth at the 1-2-3.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 9:45 am : link
not a scout but there are legit at least 3-5 guys waived yesterday I'd take over Plumlee or NDour.

Barber
Goodwin
McGary (though I realize he has off court issues)
Ray McCallum


Was bummed Staukas made the Sixers. There were heavy rumors he might be waived and while he's been a turd he would have been a nice buy low.

Yi Jianlin was waived
I'd love to take a shot on Goodwin or Barbor  
GuzzaBlue : 10/25/2016 9:52 am : link
and let go of a NDour or Plumlee or both. I think we all agree we need more depth at the PG. Rose's health can never be depended on and its not like Jennings is an iron man. I really like the direction of the team and that includes this year, so I'd hate to see a scenario where both are dinged up and we are struggling without a legit PG. Fix that potential issue now with 3rd PG that has upside and can be part of the rotation.

To all the patient Knicks Fans, its been a long, long time since we've had something to really feel good about! Let's Go Knicks!
RE: Knicks  
Canton : 10/25/2016 9:59 am : link
In comment 13190133 DanMetroMan said:
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preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat Link - ( New Window )


Don't subscribe to WSJ
Preview  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 10:00 am : link
from Berman
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.  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 10:07 am : link
New Knick Ron Baker via @adamzagoria #Knicks
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KP signed with Addidas, thereby starting the countdown to my son  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 10:13 am : link
begging me to by him KP Addidas shoes.
RE: Preview  
Deej : 10/25/2016 10:21 am : link
In comment 13190205 DanMetroMan said:
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from Berman Link - ( New Window )


Honestly, as someone who is skeptical of our moves and advocated a full tear down... what the fuck is the market for this kind of writing? It's not merely negative. Every word is dripping with assholery. Berman finds a way to infuse an attack into almost every sentence.

How does he have a job? Who is his editor? This is pathetic.
I know it's only one game  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 10:36 am : link
But a win tonight (I know a big if) would really do a lot for me.
RE: I know it's only one game  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 10:44 am : link
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But a win tonight (I know a big if) would really do a lot for me.


you know what this game reminds me of? when the knicks played the heat right after the melo trade...


same kind of feel
I saw Berman's name on Dan's link  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 10:46 am : link
and it was all I needed to know. No reason to bother reading it.

It's beyond parody. Everything the Knicks do is wrong, everything is always horrible, they will never improve, etc.
RE: I saw Berman's name on Dan's link  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 13190299 Greg from LI said:
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and it was all I needed to know. No reason to bother reading it.

It's beyond parody. Everything the Knicks do is wrong, everything is always horrible, they will never improve, etc.


the funny thing is if melo was traded to chicago, everyone would be saying how the bulls can beat the cavs and are a real threat but because its the knicks no chance...

look at 2012, knicks were said to be to old and were not going to do anything and even with winning 54 games they are still shitted on as a lucky team
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 10:54 am : link
NBA now only has 43 American white players
Best  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 11:04 am : link
and worst scenarios for every team
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RE: The  
Deej : 10/25/2016 11:20 am : link
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NBA now only has 43 American white players


This is why #MAGA
I'm going over the Vegas 38.5 win total  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 11:27 am : link
But don't follow me cause I'm the biggest homer in the world!
I think they're about a .500 team,  
yatqb : 10/25/2016 11:37 am : link
but they sure could go either way depending upon injuries (35-45 wins). I'll go with Berman's 41 win prediction, even though he's a dick.
RE: The  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 11:40 am : link
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NBA now only has 43 American white players


And one of them is Joe Harris!! Whooooooooo!
Does that include foreigners?  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 12:53 pm : link
Or American White?
My bad  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 12:53 pm : link
It's american white.
Nate Silver's site-  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 1:06 pm : link
2016-17 NBA Predictions
Based on “CARM-Elo,” a mix of team Elo ratings and our CARMELO player projections. Updated after every game.

Knicks 35-47 with a 39% of making the playoffs
RE: Nate Silver's site-  
Deej : 10/25/2016 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13190580 DanMetroMan said:
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2016-17 NBA Predictions
Based on “CARM-Elo,” a mix of team Elo ratings and our CARMELO player projections. Updated after every game.

Knicks 35-47 with a 39% of making the playoffs


I suspect a model would have lots of problems with our team. It's nice for fans to look at our starting 5 and recognize the talent even if they're honest about the very likely permanent fall off in Rose's game. But fans spend less time thinking about the fact that 3 of the starters are 31 or older. Or factoring in missed time (Melo and KP missed 10 games each in "healthy" seasons; Noah has missed 70 games over 2 seasons; and Rose is Rose).

In my opinion the Knicks have the talent to be well into the 40s in wins. Frankly, at full health they have talent to be at 50 wins maybe (depth is still a huge issue). But there is so little chance the injury gods will smile on us. We took big risks on injury prone and 30+ players.
It's just hard to imagine that the Knicks will only be three games  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 2:23 pm : link
better this year.
RE: It's just hard to imagine that the Knicks will only be three games  
Deej : 10/25/2016 2:28 pm : link
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better this year.


Not that hard if you think that Rose is shot and wont play much, and that Noah isnt an upgrade over Lopez due to some combo of DNPs and Noah's game falling off (obviously Noah pre-injury was better than Lopez).
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Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 2:33 pm : link
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better this year.



Not that hard if you think that Rose is shot and wont play much, and that Noah isnt an upgrade over Lopez due to some combo of DNPs and Noah's game falling off (obviously Noah pre-injury was better than Lopez).


Well, the Knicks had the worst backcourt in basketball last year. A shot Rose + Lee is better than what they had. And Jennings improves the second unit backcourt. Even if Noah doesn't match Lopez because of injury, you can offset that with some expectation that KP will be better.

But yeah, it could all go to shit, I suppose. This is the Knicks.
Also we had 32 wins last year  
Deej : 10/25/2016 3:18 pm : link
so the o/u is +6.5 over last season
On the other hand, it's hard to accurately assess how much  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 3:41 pm : link
KP improves from seasons one to two.
RE: On the other hand, it's hard to accurately assess how much  
Deej : 10/25/2016 3:52 pm : link
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KP improves from seasons one to two.


538 assesses him as going from 2.4 WAR to 5.5 WAR @ 50th percentile, 10 WAR at 90th percentile. It's worth noting that 538 admits that KP breaks their model. They have no idea what he is.
Should note  
Deej : 10/25/2016 3:54 pm : link
last year their model was 50% accurate to within one WAR and 80% accurate to within 2 WAR.
the coach may  
Enzo : 10/25/2016 4:50 pm : link
be good for a 2-3 win bump all by himself.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 5:07 pm : link
trying to understand this controversy. It's not as if the Cavs beat the Knicks or that the Knicks have even been rivals of the Cavs/contenders. Why should the Cavs getting their rings bother the Knicks? I'm confused.


Before the season opener in Cleveland, the Cavs will be presented with their championship rings. What do you anticipate feeling while you're watching that?
Well my approach will be the same. Just knowing what's at stake there--knowing that they're getting their rings. I wish the NBA would let them get their rings the day before, you know what I'm saying? Like I don't know who came up with that rule that you get your rings at the first game.
I'm not surprised that he breaks their model  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 5:13 pm : link
He's unique. Can't really think of a single player who compares to him.
RE: Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13190133 DanMetroMan said:
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preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat Link - ( New Window )


Kiss of Death... Herring joining FiveThirtyEight , leaving the Knicks beat.
Tim Hardaway Jr. had 21 points in 22 minutes tonight  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 10:05 pm : link
.
RE: Tim Hardaway Jr. had 21 points in 22 minutes tonight  
Greg from LI : 10/28/2016 1:58 am : link
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Proof that the sun shines even on a dog's ass some days
RE: RE: Knicks  
Heisenberg : 10/28/2016 8:38 am : link
In comment 13193452 DanMetroMan said:
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preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat Link - ( New Window )



Kiss of Death... Herring joining FiveThirtyEight , leaving the Knicks beat.


Bad for the Knicks beat for sure. Good for fivethirtyeight though.
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