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NFT: Knicks Chat: Hornacek hopes Randle returns

DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 12:16 pm
Well, we liked those guys we had to waive, Hornacek said Saturday. Its a tough thing to do. All these guys are capable players. We have to look at our roster and see the different balance that we have. Chasson, hes done a great job for us. We hope all these guys get other jobs and other teams pick them up, but our hope is if he doesnt go to another team he stays with our organization. We really liked what he did for us.


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CBA  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:16 pm : link
expected to get 6 year extension with 7th year option

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Vertical Sources: Oklahoma City plans to waive Mitch McGary and Ronnie Price ($5M guaranteed), keep rookie Semaj Christon on final roster.
Celtics  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:17 pm : link
waiting 2015 1st rounder RJ Hunter
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:22 pm : link
assuming Hunter will be claimed but I'd grab him otherwise
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nygiants16 : 10/24/2016 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13189311 DanMetroMan said:
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assuming Hunter will be claimed but I'd grab him otherwise


hunter looks like he can be a kyle korver type of player...

havnt seen enough of him to comment of his defense
RE: I'm  
Heisenberg : 10/24/2016 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13189311 DanMetroMan said:
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assuming Hunter will be claimed but I'd grab him otherwise


And get rid of whom?
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13189343 nygiants16 said:
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assuming Hunter will be claimed but I'd grab him otherwise



hunter looks like he can be a kyle korver type of player...

havnt seen enough of him to comment of his defense


He's not a great athlete so I can't imagine he's a great defender but for "free" might be worth looking at. Celtics are unusually deep so him being waived doesn't necessarily mean he's not a potential NBA rotation guy. Thing with him is, he shot well from 3 as a Frosh and Soph (38%) and then JR year only 31% and last year in the dleague 30%, with Boston also 30% so that hurt. On the plus side a very good Celtics team liked him enough to give him burn as a rookie including 10 minutes per game in the playoffs.
good news on the CBA  
Enzo : 10/24/2016 2:48 pm : link
I've been hoping for a while that they'd blow up the current system and go with something different but I'll gladly settle for several seasons without lockouts or strikes.
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DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13189354 Heisenberg said:
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assuming Hunter will be claimed but I'd grab him otherwise



And get rid of whom?


I personally don't think much of Plumlee, Vujacicor NDour so either one. NDour is very slight for a 4 and doesn't have the skillset of a 3. They are going to keep Vujacic because they "have to" with only 2 other PG's on the roster but I'd just as soon let Baker be the 3rd PG and pick up Hunter.
Lets  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:51 pm : link
not pretend the Knicks are 15 deep in good players, if "talent" becomes available lets not get too attached to players 12-15
Hunter pre-draft  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 2:51 pm : link
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couting ReportBy Marc D'Amico | @Marc_DAmico
R.J. Hunter is a wiry, 6-foot-6 shooting guard with unlimited range and a 6-foot-10 wingspan. He needs to put on weight but is stronger than he looks. Hunter is a coachs son who has a high basketball IQ. He also wants the ball in the clutch (and excels in the clutch), and thats an intriguing combo. His wingspan and quick release make it extremely difficult to challenge and/or affect his shot. Hes ready to contribute in the NBA at the offensive end right now. Hes a fantastic shooter with a quick and clean release, who is very good at reading defenders off of screens. I love that he always gets his shoulders squared to the basket in catch-and-shoot opportunities. He does, however, need to improve his use of screens. Hes likely to play off the ball at the next level and those screens will be his greatest ally. He settled a bit this year, allowing defenses (which keyed in on him) to push him far away from the basket. That resulted in a rougher-than-expected shooting season, but Im not concerned with that. He can and will make shots. Hunters quick feet and instincts allow him to change direction very well. That will translate to his ability to free himself for shots in the NBA, and it also indicates that he can become a good defender. He has a very good handle with both hands but likes to take the ball off the dribble to his left. There is a heavy tendency for him to finish almost exclusively with his right hand around the basket. He does show some jitters in traffic, as things seem to speed up on him. However, when the floor is spaced, he has proven to be a very capable passer and playmaker. Hunter has quick feet and good hands but does not display lateral quickness and change of direction at the defensive end, which is unique and worrisome. He proved at the Draft Combine testing that he has great lateral quickness, but it doesnt show face on defense, which leads me to believe that his instincts might not be on par with his athleticism. He also doesnt always give maximum effort at the defensive end and gazes at the ball when the opponent takes a shot, rather than boxing out or attacking the glass. He needs to keep his center of gravity lower and not over-stride, which should help that lateral quickness show face. He must also eliminate his tendency to gamble on steal attempts and bite on shot fakes. Defensively, I believe the ability is there, he just needs to bring it out. Getting maximum effort out of Hunter and cleaning up his defensive mechanics both of which I believe are attainable goals should help him to become a capable defender in the NBA.

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Heisenberg : 10/24/2016 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13189363 DanMetroMan said:
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assuming Hunter will be claimed but I'd grab him otherwise



And get rid of whom?



I personally don't think much of Plumlee, Vujacicor NDour so either one. NDour is very slight for a 4 and doesn't have the skillset of a 3. They are going to keep Vujacic because they "have to" with only 2 other PG's on the roster but I'd just as soon let Baker be the 3rd PG and pick up Hunter.


Ok, I could see that. I'd guess that NDour is the guy they'd get rid of. I just wonder if they can keep Vujacic, Baker and Hunter on a roster. That's a lot of guards, especially if they want to bring back Randle. But, perhaps Hornacek would like to go small.

But he's talented enough to try and figure something out.
Brandon  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 3:00 pm : link
Paul cut, I don't know much about him

Jessica Camerato ‏@JCameratoCSN 4m4 minutes ago
Confirming @JakeLFischer, the Sixers cutting Brandon Paul. He's received interest from other NBA teams, no talks of Sixers D-Lg, per source.
RE: Lets  
Deej : 10/24/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13189364 DanMetroMan said:
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not pretend the Knicks are 15 deep in good players, if "talent" becomes available lets not get too attached to players 12-15


+1. You couldnt trade 1/4 or more of this roster for the right to swap #2s. Literally.

If BOS is cutting guys because they just had too many picks, it's worth looking hard at their castoffs. But I know nothing about Hunter since he turned pro.
I hope Phil takes a strong look at Tyler Ennis and RJ Hunter  
Anakim : 10/24/2016 3:13 pm : link
. RJ Hunter is better than Vujacic and we need a 3rd pass-first PG. Both are very young players with potential. I'd rather have Ennis or like Gary Payton II over Chasson Randle personally.
We do need a 3rd real PG  
Deej : 10/24/2016 3:49 pm : link
Noah and Rose's injury history complicate things since their positions are the roster extremes --1 and 5. If you had an injury prone 3 you could cover that with more 2s and 4s. Less so than for 1 and 5.

Still, If Noah goes down our options are Willy, KOQ, and Porz. That's not shabby, and Im ignoring Plumlee on purpose. If Rose goes down, it's Jennings and then what? Where are you getting 13-18 minutes a game to spell Jennings? Sasha? Baker? Come on. I'd cut Plumlee or Ndour. I mean I like Ndour, but he's a 4, and we have a ton of guys who can play some 4 (KP, Melo, KOQ, Thomas, Cheese at least). Do we need a 6th PF or do we need a 3rd PG?
RE: We do need a 3rd real PG  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 3:54 pm : link
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Noah and Rose's injury history complicate things since their positions are the roster extremes --1 and 5. If you had an injury prone 3 you could cover that with more 2s and 4s. Less so than for 1 and 5.

Still, If Noah goes down our options are Willy, KOQ, and Porz. That's not shabby, and Im ignoring Plumlee on purpose. If Rose goes down, it's Jennings and then what? Where are you getting 13-18 minutes a game to spell Jennings? Sasha? Baker? Come on. I'd cut Plumlee or Ndour. I mean I like Ndour, but he's a 4, and we have a ton of guys who can play some 4 (KP, Melo, KOQ, Thomas, Cheese at least). Do we need a 6th PF or do we need a 3rd PG?


I 100% agree but I also disagree with this being a way to defend Sasha remaining here over "better" talent. Should we need major ie consistent 15+ minutes per night over an extended period with Sasha running the offense we are in some trouble. He's only a "PG" because at one point he played with Kobe in an offense without the need for him to run an offense. He can shoot a decent 3 ball, that's his skillset now. He should be your emergency PG if he's on the team at all not 1 injury away from major minutes.
Suns  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 4:33 pm : link
release Archie Goodwin. Still only 22. Played for Hornacek.
RJ Hunter is a toothpick, and he's not quick either  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 4:34 pm : link
He just doesn't have an NBA body. Nice story, but at best he's an end-of-the-bench 3 pt specialist - and he didn't even do that particularly well last year.
Goodwin  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 4:38 pm : link
apparently did private work with Hornacek heading into last season during the Summer before the 2015 season so it's safe to say Hornacek would have an opinion on him

-"The mechanics on his set shot look good...

This is somewhat new information, as in the past Archie's shot mechanics haven't looked particularly solid. This could be the result of off-season work we know he did with Jeff Hornacek."

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/1/19/7852217/archie-goodwin-is-who-we-thought-he-was
Sixers  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2016 4:40 pm : link
waive Cat Barber. He's the kind of crazy quick guard that Hornacek seemed to like in Phoenix.
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There might be something to Cat Barber  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 5:11 pm : link
Keep in mind that he was horrendously coached. I'll never understand how Mark Gottfried keeps conning elite high school players into coming to Raleigh so he can do absolutely nothing to develop them. He is insanely quick, and while he's not a great shooter he can get to the hoop and score. I wouldn't mind the Knicks taking a look.
RE: There might be something to Cat Barber  
giantsfan44ab : 10/24/2016 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13189600 Greg from LI said:
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Keep in mind that he was horrendously coached. I'll never understand how Mark Gottfried keeps conning elite high school players into coming to Raleigh so he can do absolutely nothing to develop them. He is insanely quick, and while he's not a great shooter he can get to the hoop and score. I wouldn't mind the Knicks taking a look.


He's a FA?

I'd take Archie Goodwin. He's hardly a PG or a shooter but he's a freak athlete.
I'd also take  
giantsfan44ab : 10/24/2016 7:10 pm : link
McGary over Plumlee. I know its not much of a debate but factoring in all the issues McGary has starter potential. Maybe not on this team, but at least give him a 1 year shot like Jennings.
Two inactives tomorrow:  
Anakim : 10/24/2016 7:28 pm : link
Marshall Plumlee and Maurice N'dour
I would replace Baker  
Carl in CT : 10/24/2016 9:44 pm : link
With another big.
RE: I would replace Baker  
Del Shofner : 10/24/2016 9:46 pm : link
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With another big.


can't cut Baker ... our last link to the '70s!
Don't expect a victory tonight  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 7:27 am : link
But expecting to be competitive.
Our starting 5 hasn't played a game together yet  
Canton : 10/25/2016 7:42 am : link
I expect a lot of growing pains until they find that cohesiveness and chemistry needed to win ball games.
Knicks hype video  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 7:55 am : link
Has me hooked. Ready for the season to start!
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i dont know if everyone has heard  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 8:12 am : link
game was moved to 730 because of world series...
RE: Don't expect a victory tonight  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13189975 Carl in CT said:
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But expecting to be competitive.


I dont expect a win toniight but as the season goes on i think knicks match up well with thr cavs...

it is going to be funny to see melo react to how his team plays lebron because noah and rose absolutely hate him, jennings and shumpert hate eaxh other..

RE: RE: Don't expect a victory tonight  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 8:33 am : link
In comment 13190015 nygiants16 said:
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But expecting to be competitive.



I dont expect a win toniight but as the season goes on i think knicks match up well with thr cavs...

it is going to be funny to see melo react to how his team plays lebron because noah and rose absolutely hate him, jennings and shumpert hate eaxh other..


Yes. If the Knicks can be competitive, this can be a fun game for sure because of the personalities.
I would like to see a version of the 90's Knicks  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 8:49 am : link
With stellar defense. Lee is an upgrade there at the 2 and Noah at the 5. But I don't think we made enough improvement there. We will see soon enough.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 9:09 am : link
suspect Noah will play less than his usual minutes given the comments from Hornacek/Noah the past few days. Might get some Willy earlier than expected.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 9:31 am : link
preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat
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RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 9:37 am : link
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love herring, tells it like it is with no agenda
RE: I would replace Baker  
Deej : 10/25/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 13189825 Carl in CT said:
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With another big.


Our best depth is already at the 4/5. Noah, Porz, KOQ, Willy, Plumlee and then our collection of swing forwards: Melo, Thomas, Cheese, and Ndour. Plus my sense is that there are always more available NBADL bigs who are playable than smalls. We need more depth at the 1-2-3.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 9:45 am : link
not a scout but there are legit at least 3-5 guys waived yesterday I'd take over Plumlee or NDour.

Barber
Goodwin
McGary (though I realize he has off court issues)
Ray McCallum


Was bummed Staukas made the Sixers. There were heavy rumors he might be waived and while he's been a turd he would have been a nice buy low.

Yi Jianlin was waived
I'd love to take a shot on Goodwin or Barbor  
GuzzaBlue : 10/25/2016 9:52 am : link
and let go of a NDour or Plumlee or both. I think we all agree we need more depth at the PG. Rose's health can never be depended on and its not like Jennings is an iron man. I really like the direction of the team and that includes this year, so I'd hate to see a scenario where both are dinged up and we are struggling without a legit PG. Fix that potential issue now with 3rd PG that has upside and can be part of the rotation.

To all the patient Knicks Fans, its been a long, long time since we've had something to really feel good about! Let's Go Knicks!
RE: Knicks  
Canton : 10/25/2016 9:59 am : link
In comment 13190133 DanMetroMan said:
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preview from the best guy on the Knicks beat Link - ( New Window )


Don't subscribe to WSJ
Preview  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 10:00 am : link
from Berman
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.  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 10:07 am : link
New Knick Ron Baker via @adamzagoria #Knicks
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KP signed with Addidas, thereby starting the countdown to my son  
Heisenberg : 10/25/2016 10:13 am : link
begging me to by him KP Addidas shoes.
RE: Preview  
Deej : 10/25/2016 10:21 am : link
In comment 13190205 DanMetroMan said:
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Honestly, as someone who is skeptical of our moves and advocated a full tear down... what the fuck is the market for this kind of writing? It's not merely negative. Every word is dripping with assholery. Berman finds a way to infuse an attack into almost every sentence.

How does he have a job? Who is his editor? This is pathetic.
I know it's only one game  
Carl in CT : 10/25/2016 10:36 am : link
But a win tonight (I know a big if) would really do a lot for me.
RE: I know it's only one game  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 10:44 am : link
In comment 13190281 Carl in CT said:
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But a win tonight (I know a big if) would really do a lot for me.


you know what this game reminds me of? when the knicks played the heat right after the melo trade...


same kind of feel
I saw Berman's name on Dan's link  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 10:46 am : link
and it was all I needed to know. No reason to bother reading it.

It's beyond parody. Everything the Knicks do is wrong, everything is always horrible, they will never improve, etc.
RE: I saw Berman's name on Dan's link  
nygiants16 : 10/25/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 13190299 Greg from LI said:
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and it was all I needed to know. No reason to bother reading it.

It's beyond parody. Everything the Knicks do is wrong, everything is always horrible, they will never improve, etc.


the funny thing is if melo was traded to chicago, everyone would be saying how the bulls can beat the cavs and are a real threat but because its the knicks no chance...

look at 2012, knicks were said to be to old and were not going to do anything and even with winning 54 games they are still shitted on as a lucky team
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 10:54 am : link
NBA now only has 43 American white players
Best  
DanMetroMan : 10/25/2016 11:04 am : link
and worst scenarios for every team
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