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FO's Vince Verhei on Jeff Fisher

Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 1:47 pm
This was fun:

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RedZone just played some Jeff Fisher postgame quotes that I must transcribe here:

"Jared's going to play when we feel Jared's ready. Had we won this game, you wouldn't be asking about Jared. Which I understand. We didn't lose this game because of quarterback play today. We lost at some other positions."

"Kenny Britt stopped on the post. Didn't think he was primary, stopped on the post, [or] we have got a touchdown pass. I'll make changes at receiver before I make changes at quarterback."

I was asleep for every snap of this game and have only seen a play or two in highlights. So it's quite possible Britt was dirt-terrible today and single-handedly cost his team the game. But even if that's true, he's still having the best season of any Rams offensive player since Steven Jackson in his prime, and you're going to name-drop him and throw him under the bus to stick up for your oughtta-be-a-backup quarterback, and insist that said quarterback is a better option than the top overall pick in the draft? And if that's true, then you utterly wasted the top pick in the draft, and you're missing out on one of the four seasons you get him under cheap contract before theoretically re-signing him to a big-money deal. This is all just such a mess and I can't fathom what makes Jeff Fisher a good enough coach to be worth retaining at this point. And he's a jerk.


I yearn for the day when the league is free of the corrosive presence of Buddy Ryan disciples.
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How Jeff Fisher  
Gman11 : 10/24/2016 2:03 pm : link
and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.
I dont understand that comparison  
MetsAreBack : 10/24/2016 2:06 pm : link
Lewis has done a pretty good job for a small market Cincinnati team. Sure the playoff wins havent been there, but the regular season consistency has and there's been a lot of bad luck in those playoff losses (Dalton injured last year & the LB being an idiot; AJ Green and Gresham two years ago; etc)
I'd take my chances with DRC vs Kenny Britt  
section125 : 10/24/2016 2:10 pm : link
on a jump ball in the endzone. DRC is the tallest CB and matches well against tall receivers.

Fisher is just not a likeable person.
RE: How Jeff Fisher  
BlueHurricane : 10/24/2016 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13189279 Gman11 said:
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and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.


^^^THIS. Been saying this about both for a looooooong time
Love this  
BlueHurricane : 10/24/2016 2:16 pm : link
Lewis vs Fisher  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 2:17 pm : link
Lewis regular season: 113-94-2 (.545)
Fisher regular season: 165-150-1 (.524)

Lewis is an awful 0-7 in the postseason, though without the miracle in Buffalo play, Fisher is 2-6 in the postseason.
His "we're not a 7-9 team" proclamation this year  
bceagle05 : 10/24/2016 2:27 pm : link
on "Hard Knocks" is gonna be hilarious at the end of the season. You know that's precisely where they're headed.
Fisher  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/24/2016 2:41 pm : link
got a contract extension last month.

UFB. I don't get the love for this man.
They had Spags as the head coach before Fisher  
EricJ : 10/24/2016 2:59 pm : link
right now... Fisher is an upgrade
RE: They had Spags as the head coach before Fisher  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13189378 EricJ said:
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right now... Fisher is an upgrade


Well that.....has nothing to do with anything. Thanks!
RE: I'd take my chances with DRC vs Kenny Britt  
Keith : 10/24/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13189289 section125 said:
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on a jump ball in the endzone. DRC is the tallest CB and matches well against tall receivers.

Fisher is just not a likeable person.


This isn't the play he is referring to. Earlier in the game Britt was wide open on a long pass, but seemed to have stopped on the route. The ball went about 5 yards over his head for what would have been a walk in 70 yard TD pass. That was 100% on Britt and a terrible play by him.
RE: RE: They had Spags as the head coach before Fisher  
Essex : 10/24/2016 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13189382 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13189378 EricJ said:


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right now... Fisher is an upgrade



Well that.....has nothing to do with anything. Thanks!


He is very sensitive about Fisher, I made a snarky remark about Fisher in the game thread and he went off on me.
why would a Giants fan want to defend Fisher???  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 3:09 pm : link
Lest anyone forget, this was Jeff Fisher's football mentor:

I don't know, but when we were losing I said  
Essex : 10/24/2016 3:15 pm : link
I am mad we are losing to a "bum" like Fisher and he told me that Fisher is more than a bum and sarcastically called my observation brilliant. I responded that he is 10 games under .500 in five years with the Rams and I didn't hear back from him. I guess I was waiting for the he was within a yard of going to OT in the Super Bowl.
At least Marvin Lewis...  
Chris in Philly : 10/24/2016 3:18 pm : link
makes the playoffs. Fisher's teams don't sniff the postseason.
RE: At least Marvin Lewis...  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13189410 Chris in Philly said:
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makes the playoffs. Fisher's teams don't sniff the postseason.


Actually, those #s above from Wikipedia are wrong. Here are the correct numbers (assuming Wiki's annual records are correct):
Fisher: 172-160-1 (.517) in the regular season
Lewis: 115-98-2 (.535) in the regular season

Fisher: 6 app in 20 seasons (30%), excluding when he took over HOU. Though he hasn't made the postseason since 2008.
Lewis: 7 app in 13 seasons (54%), including 5 straight and 6 of the last 7 seasons.

RE: I'd take my chances with DRC vs Kenny Britt  
VenteSette : 10/24/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13189289 section125 said:
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on a jump ball in the endzone. DRC is the tallest CB and matches well against tall receivers.

Fisher is just not a likeable person.


I will start off by saying that I hate Fisher as much as the next guy.

I wouldn't be so sure about DRC beating out Britt. I started Britt in fantasy and checked out their past matchups. Britt went for over 100 when the Giants beat the Rams in late 2014, and way back in DRC's first pro bowl year in 2009 Britt torched him for 125 or so. Fair as I can tell they were primarily matched up. Britt is an inconsistent knucklehead, but he is physically the equal of damn near any of these guys. He is a bit taller and way heavier than DRC, with DRC a slightly better leaper.
FWIW, Fisher has not signed a new deal...  
Mike in St. Louis : 10/24/2016 4:30 pm : link
and nothing has been made official about an extension...there was just a lot of talk...although I wouldn't mind if he did because he's great fodder for sports talk shows here and he and Kroenke deserve each other...
Fisher is keeping Goff  
B in ALB : 10/24/2016 4:41 pm : link
on the shelf to secure his own tenure as head coach. "You can't judge be on my win/loss record until my brand new, shiny quarterback is ready to play. And he's just not ready yet."

Then when he finally plays it's a win-win scenario. Goff either plays well and makes Fisher look good. Or Goff plays poorly enough to go back to square one. Either way, Fisher keeps his job.

And you mean to tell me that Goff would be worse than what we saw from that stiff Keenum yesterday? Holy shit.

Fisher ranks THIRD in losses, in history! That's unreal.
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pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 4:45 pm : link
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Josh Sullivan
‏@jdsbc98

@shalisemyoung Jeff Fisher needs 6 more losses to be #1 on all time NFL coaching losses. Will he make it this year?
4:02 PM - 24 Oct 2016
Boston, MA


3rd with #1 in his sights...
And of the others on the list  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 5:02 pm : link
You have to go down the list to Weeb Ewbank's .502 to find a coach with ballpark losses and a lower winning percentage. To find one with a lower winning percentage who also didn't win a championship? #14, Norv Turner and his .483.

Norv Turner coached 237 NFL games as a head coach. Surreal. Four playoff appearances in 15 years, and three of them came in his first three seasons in San Diego when he inherited a 14-2 team from Schottenheimer.

Only eight coaches have coached more games than Jeff Fisher.
RE: Fisher is keeping Goff  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/24/2016 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13189560 B in ALB said:
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on the shelf to secure his own tenure as head coach. "You can't judge be on my win/loss record until my brand new, shiny quarterback is ready to play. And he's just not ready yet."

Then when he finally plays it's a win-win scenario. Goff either plays well and makes Fisher look good. Or Goff plays poorly enough to go back to square one. Either way, Fisher keeps his job.

And you mean to tell me that Goff would be worse than what we saw from that stiff Keenum yesterday? Holy shit.

Fisher ranks THIRD in losses, in history! That's unreal.

That theory might make sense had Fisher not just signed an extension.
RE: RE: They had Spags as the head coach before Fisher  
BigBlueShock : 10/24/2016 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13189382 Greg from LI said:
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right now... Fisher is an upgrade



Well that.....has nothing to do with anything. Thanks!

The dude is absolutely miserable. If there's a thread ripping on anything about the Giants, he's right there in the middle of it. He hates everything that has anything to do with the Giants. Everything and everybody about the team sucks, if you'd believe his incredibly awful posts. Not sure why he even watches, much less post on a website about it it. If I hated everything about it that much, I'd find another hobby
RE: RE: Fisher is keeping Goff  
B in ALB : 10/24/2016 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13189620 Gatorade Dunk said:
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on the shelf to secure his own tenure as head coach. "You can't judge be on my win/loss record until my brand new, shiny quarterback is ready to play. And he's just not ready yet."

Then when he finally plays it's a win-win scenario. Goff either plays well and makes Fisher look good. Or Goff plays poorly enough to go back to square one. Either way, Fisher keeps his job.

And you mean to tell me that Goff would be worse than what we saw from that stiff Keenum yesterday? Holy shit.

Fisher ranks THIRD in losses, in history! That's unreal.


That theory might make sense had Fisher not just signed an extension.


Yeah, that might make sense if he actually signed it. Which he hasn't.
RE: RE: RE: They had Spags as the head coach before Fisher  
Mr. Bungle : 10/24/2016 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13189628 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13189382 Greg from LI said:


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In comment 13189378 EricJ said:


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right now... Fisher is an upgrade



Well that.....has nothing to do with anything. Thanks!


The dude is absolutely miserable. If there's a thread ripping on anything about the Giants, he's right there in the middle of it. He hates everything that has anything to do with the Giants. Everything and everybody about the team sucks, if you'd believe his incredibly awful posts. Not sure why he even watches, much less post on a website about it it. If I hated everything about it that much, I'd find another hobby

Dafuq?!?!

(...Oh, wait. Just saw who posted it. That explains it.)
RE: How Jeff Fisher  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/24/2016 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13189279 Gman11 said:
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and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.


This. This. This. I used to think Fisher wasnt they bad. He's horrible. And Lewis' best success was when he had Mile Zimmer.
RE: RE: RE: Fisher is keeping Goff  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/25/2016 12:32 am : link
In comment 13189631 B in ALB said:
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on the shelf to secure his own tenure as head coach. "You can't judge be on my win/loss record until my brand new, shiny quarterback is ready to play. And he's just not ready yet."

Then when he finally plays it's a win-win scenario. Goff either plays well and makes Fisher look good. Or Goff plays poorly enough to go back to square one. Either way, Fisher keeps his job.

And you mean to tell me that Goff would be worse than what we saw from that stiff Keenum yesterday? Holy shit.

Fisher ranks THIRD in losses, in history! That's unreal.


That theory might make sense had Fisher not just signed an extension.



Yeah, that might make sense if he actually signed it. Which he hasn't.

So he was offered an extension, worth millions, which he is free to sign at any time, but you think he's making a calculated decision to preserve his job security. Wouldn't signing the extension accomplish exactly that?

You're not very good at deductive reasoning. Do we even know what gender the extension is?!
RE: How Jeff Fisher  
halfback20 : 10/25/2016 12:45 am : link
In comment 13189279 Gman11 said:
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and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.


Did you see what the Bengals franchise was before Lewis? They at least make the playoffs now...they were terrible for many years before him.
RE: How Jeff Fisher  
jeff57 : 10/25/2016 5:22 am : link
In comment 13189279 Gman11 said:
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and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.

At least Lewis gets to the playoffs.
RE: How Jeff Fisher  
djm : 10/25/2016 8:19 am : link
In comment 13189279 Gman11 said:
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and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.


Unfair to group Marvin Lewis with fisher. Lewis has made the playoffs for five straight seasons! Five! Ok he hasn't won a playoff game but that's still
A damn good run. Fisher hasn't made the playoffs in forever.
RE: RE: How Jeff Fisher  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 8:27 am : link
In comment 13189667 LauderdaleMatty said:
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and Marvin Lewis keep their jobs year after year is beyond me.



This. This. This. I used to think Fisher wasnt they bad. He's horrible. And Lewis' best success was when he had Mile Zimmer.


CIN's best season since Lewis became head coach was last season, without Zimmer. And they might've won a postseason game with a healthy Dalton.
McCarron wasn't the reason the Bengals lost that game  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 8:48 am : link
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RE: McCarron wasn't the reason the Bengals lost that game  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 9:03 am : link
In comment 13190045 Greg from LI said:
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No, the dumbasses Burfict and Pacman were. But with Dalton at QB it might not have come down to that final drive.
Have you ever seen Dalton's playoff performances?  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 9:27 am : link
They aren't pretty.
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