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NFT: Draft Kings and Fan Duel in dire straits financially

montanagiant : 10/24/2016 3:16 pm
I'd get your money out
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DraftKings and FanDuel are so short of cash, according to the two people familiar with the negotiations, that they have asked Mr. Schneiderman’s office if they can pay the final settlement in installments, and they have conceded that they are having difficulty meeting their day-to-day obligations.

Within the past three weeks, the New York-based FanDuel has laid off more than 60 people, and both companies have acknowledged that they are months behind in their payments to vendors, especially to the array of public relations and lobbying firms that they have employed across the nation to persuade individual state legislatures to legalize daily fantasy games — the most critical component of rebuilding their business.

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I heard Draft Kings owe the fat kid who pumps his fist  
GiantsUA : 10/24/2016 3:31 pm : link
275.00 dollars.
I call bullshit..  
EricJ : 10/24/2016 3:32 pm : link
not on you Montana, but their claims of being short on cash. They take the money up front via credit card. They know what percentage they are skimming from every bet. The only way they are losing is if their advertising dollars are exceeding their revenue stream. If that is the case, then they are just horrible business people.

My guess is they have a few secondary companies set up as vendors/expenses that funnel additional funds to them.
Well if you know what your doing it's free money  
DennyInDenville : 10/24/2016 3:37 pm : link
My friend has made over 100k on 50/50s and multipliers since fall 2015 and an additional 50+K in tournament money.


Stared with just one single debit card deposit of $250
I don't think it's bullshit..  
Danthebigbluefan : 10/24/2016 3:41 pm : link
They've paused a lot of advertising campaigns. I'm in the mobile advertising industry and while they are a big player, I don't think they can afford the hits they've taken. And registering as a user has no become a process that deters the casual gambler who normally would deposit on a whim.

Also, their spokesman, Justine Spacco, is the moron who tweeted a very stupid AIDS joke and lost her job because of it when working with IAC.

Google it, pretty damn funny/stupid.
Lawyering up  
spike : 10/24/2016 3:43 pm : link
Can be expensive
This would be exciting news...  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/24/2016 3:43 pm : link
...if it signalled the beginning of the end for fantasy football. Unfortunately, it doesn't, any more than the closure of the Taj Mahal means the end of slot machines and poker.
RE: ... beginning of the end for fantasy football.  
Trainmaster : 10/24/2016 3:50 pm : link
One can only dream ...
They'll probably merge into one  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 4:17 pm : link
is my guess.

They were spending a million dollars a week on legal fees and spent 750M on advertising for the Super Bowl.

If they'd gotten all the loopholes closed prior to racing to be the biggest/first between each other than maybe they wouldn't have hemorrhaged so much money so quickly.
Advice remains sound.....  
WideRight : 10/24/2016 4:19 pm : link
Wether they actually have a cash shortage or not is sort of irrelevant. If they say they do then they may act that way, and if they are delaying payments to the feds, you better believe all other obligations are in jeopardy too.
Fantasy football  
Gman11 : 10/24/2016 4:19 pm : link
isn't a bad thing. I quit playing this year because I lost interest, but when I did play it made me keep up with players on other teams. To each his own.
I lost interest in season long fantasy football  
GiantGolfer : 10/24/2016 4:38 pm : link
but love DFS. I don't wager a lot but it keeps me watching other games besides the Giants.

I hope it never goes away.
Most of you are missing the main reason money is an issue  
kelsto811 : 10/24/2016 6:22 pm : link
Regulations have destroyed the revenue flow. Most notably the entry limits they have to implement. High Volume users are significantly limited in the money they can spend per contest/slate as opposed to how it used to be
Perhaps spending a billion dollars on ads and making the entire  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2016 6:30 pm : link
country sick of hearing your name was an unwise strategy.
"Don't forget  
Spyder : 10/24/2016 6:54 pm : link
to pick up your cash!"
Good maybe they'll  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/24/2016 7:01 pm : link
cut back on their advertising budgets and spare us the overkill every other commercial
RE: Well if you know what your doing it's free money  
schabadoo : 10/24/2016 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13189437 DennyInDenville said:
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My friend has made over 100k on 50/50s and multipliers since fall 2015 and an additional 50+K in tournament money.


Stared with just one single debit card deposit of $250


My uncle won $250k on slots.
Not buying it  
kporzee : 10/24/2016 9:22 pm : link
There is a ton of public posturing in this space. These sites are still plenty popular. Go on a site on Sunday and look at the number of entries.
Why should people take their money out?  
YAJ2112 : 10/24/2016 9:23 pm : link
Player balances are held in a separate reserve account, as required by recent law changes. No reason for players to be worried.

There have been rumblings of a merger coming. That would suck as I do like the game options having the sites separate.
My heart goes out to them  
djm : 10/24/2016 9:53 pm : link
Fos
RE: I call bullshit..  
JohnVB : 10/24/2016 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13189429 EricJ said:
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not on you Montana, but their claims of being short on cash. They take the money up front via credit card. They know what percentage they are skimming from every bet. The only way they are losing is if their advertising dollars are exceeding their revenue stream. If that is the case, then they are just horrible business people.

My guess is they have a few secondary companies set up as vendors/expenses that funnel additional funds to them.


Not necessarily true. They have guaranteed prize pools tourneys, and if there aren't enough entrants to cover the guarantee, the site eats the difference. This is called an over lay.
RE: Well if you know what your doing it's free money  
tikimvp : 10/25/2016 12:57 am : link
In comment 13189437 DennyInDenville said:
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My friend has made over 100k on 50/50s and multipliers since fall 2015 and an additional 50+K in tournament money.


Stared with just one single debit card deposit of $250


from the article:

investigators found that nearly 90 percent of DraftKings’ customers lost money, suggesting a major gulf between the casual players — or “minnows,” in betting parlance — and the professional players known as sharks.

I believe it tiki  
DennyInDenville : 10/25/2016 1:11 am : link
Not many people "know what they are doing " myself included

I've deposited about $300 over the last year, won $200 in my first tourny and pretty much lost it all to rolling it over into more tournys and bigger tournys
Problem is I don't want my friends lineups  
DennyInDenville : 10/25/2016 1:12 am : link
I play tournys he plays multipliers

Little bit of a different strategy in a way
RE: RE: Well if you know what your doing it's free money  
YAJ2112 : 10/25/2016 8:26 am : link
In comment 13189935 tikimvp said:
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In comment 13189437 DennyInDenville said:


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My friend has made over 100k on 50/50s and multipliers since fall 2015 and an additional 50+K in tournament money.


Stared with just one single debit card deposit of $250



from the article:

investigators found that nearly 90 percent of DraftKings’ customers lost money, suggesting a major gulf between the casual players — or “minnows,” in betting parlance — and the professional players known as sharks.


Well considering that most tournaments only pay the top 20% or so, I'm not sure why anyone would expect a different number. While there is certainly something to do with the sharks vs minnows aspect, I'd be interested to see how many of the 90% just did one deposit and dumped it all into tournaments. I'd bet that's a high number.

Fact is, most people who play season long fantasy for money are losing money as well.
Lack of viewership  
Giants2012 : 10/25/2016 8:27 am : link
Maybe the lack of gambling opportunity, in addition to the multiple other reasons, has contributed to fewer viewers. Maybe quite a few were burnt financialy.

Regardless, I'm glad they're struggling and hope these thieves are done.
It amazes me that both companies  
YAJ2112 : 10/25/2016 8:41 am : link
underestimated the negative impacts of saturating the airwaves with repetitive ads last year.
RE: It amazes me that both companies  
Giants2012 : 10/25/2016 8:44 am : link
In comment 13190032 YAJ2112 said:
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underestimated the negative impacts of saturating the airwaves with repetitive ads last year.


I think it was a race of greed knowing the end would come. They're scum.
RE: Fantasy football  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/25/2016 9:52 am : link
Gman11 said:
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isn't a bad thing. I quit playing this year because I lost interest, but when I did play it made me keep up with players on other teams. To each his own.

I respectfully disagree, and would argue that fantasy football actually is a bad thing, in several ways:

1) It encourages people to gamble who might have never thought to call a bookie and bet on the outcome of a game. This is the "gateway drug" argument, which is plausible albeit hard to quantify.

2) It dilutes the already-low quality of football coverage, by pushing stats to the forefront at the expense of any real insight about what's happening on the field or in the front office.

3) It encourages offensive players to pad stats by elevating boxscore heroes. There's also a risk of influencing the outcome of actual games - since stat-padding can lead to choices that are inconsistent with sealing a win - though I don't think that has happened so far.

4) As a long-term influence on football's popularity (and perhaps survival), it's fundamentally antithetical to the core appeal of a true team sport.

5) Many FFB enthusiasts believe other football fans give a sh!t about their teams and actually discuss the subject with non-players. This makes as much sense as showing people pictures of your dog because they like meat.

6) I've heard that Satan himself invented it. I don't know, but that's what many people believe. There's something going on there. It's a disaster.

To me #2 is by far the biggest issue. It's really the only issue. I just listed the others because lists are fun.
#2 isn't even a real issue  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 10:01 am : link
The lack of 'real' insight has little to do with FFL and everything to do with shitty color analysts. Gruden isn't sitting there talking about fantasy stats. He's salivating over players/coaches he 'loves'. Collinsworth/Aikmen and a few others provide good analysis and rarely venture into the fantasy domain. Even if they did, there's plenty of 'general insight' that fantasy stats can tell you. For example, how often is Beckham targeted? How well does he do when he's targeted? Etc.

Some of your other 'issues' are more about the people you know than FFL. If I'm out with friends in my fantasy leagues, I'll talk about my team (that's part of the fun), but if I'm with other friends/family I'd rather talk about football in general. Then again, I'm not the type that posts my life on facebook and thinks everyone cares about my dog's latest shit.
They will merge, or one of them will merge with Yahoo  
Stu11 : 10/25/2016 10:02 am : link
Yahoo is re-structuring their whole fantasy dept. model and i bet they merge to try and launch their daily site off the ground as it has lagged far behind the other big ones...
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