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Will anyone beat New England the rest of the season?

pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 3:35 pm
ok, a slight tongue and cheek thread title, nothing is guaranteed in today's NFL, but seriously, the NFL is so bad right now is there a team that you feel today can legitimately beat the Patriots the rest of the way?

Sure, Buffalo beat them with the 3rd string QB and no Gronkowski among others, but outside of injury do they have a rival right now?

If they stay healthy do you see anyone even threatening them?

if the season ended today, here is the AFC seedings with their QB:

1. NE (6 - 1) (Brady)
2. OAK (5-2) (Carr)
3. HOU (4-2) (Osweiler)
4. PITT (4-3) (Landry Jones/Ben Roethlisberger)
5. KC (4-2) (Smith)
6. DEN (4-2) (Siemian)

Carr is the only one you (or me I should say) consider a playoff worthy QB, and his defense is allowing over 6 yards per play. That won't cut it in the playoffs. I guess Alex Smith?

Denver and Houston play tonight, I think Denver could be knocked out for Buffalo, but Ray in Arlington would know WC tie breakers better than me.

The Patriots manhandled Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh (without Ben of course, but Brady's Patriots absolutely own Pittsburgh).

Is the NFC any better? I would love to see the Patriots lose and in agonizing fashion and I know teams look good week 7 that don't look good week 17, but outside of injury does anyone think there is a team with a legit shot to beat New England?

Not saying don't play the season out, as Giants fans we know things don't always work out the way the odds-makers think, but even with the Patriots went 16 - 0 as they approached games, I sometimes felt like the Patriots could lose this game. This year seems different. I think losing that first game early could benefit them.

They'll be tested. They play Seattle at home and go to Denver, so they'll see some tough defenses, but this year they have a top 10 defense of their own. With talent at all levels of the D.

Denver is as close to a house of horrors as the Patriots have, if they win there this year, I'm pretty confident they'll be in Houston In February for LI.

Hope I'm wrong.

What does anyone else think about New England? I post this because living here people are already talking Super Bowl or bust and home field advantage implications of games on week 7.
The Super Bowl favorites as of  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/24/2016 3:39 pm : link
October 24th. But a lot of season left.
Big Ben isn't a playoff-worthy QB?  
Section331 : 10/24/2016 3:42 pm : link
Or did you not include him because he's hurt? Should be back long before the playoffs, so outside of Brady, he's the most playoff-worthy of the bunch.

And the Pats will lose a game or 2 along the way. @Buffalo this week will be a tough game, host Seattle and @Denver later in the year.
I'm so jealous of the Patriots.  
Brown Recluse : 10/24/2016 3:43 pm : link
Must be nice to know your team is a contender every fricking year. Watching them play every weekend has to be a fairly stress free and enjoyable experience.
the QB advantage is obviously huge  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 3:43 pm : link
But Denver's D shut them down in the postseason last year and is certainly good enough to carry that team to another SB. They match up as well as any team with NE too with Talib and Ward able to cover Gronk (at least as well as anyone can cover Gronk).

Again, Vikes offense is pitiful, but if they get AP back in December they could go on a roll. That D is definitely talented enough to give NE a battle. Between Harrison Smith and their LBs (Kendricks/Barr) they match up fairly well with NE. And their front 4 generates pressure without blitzing which is the key to stopping Brady.

Those would be my 2 favorites to beat NE. Seattle would probably be my 3rd choice, again because of their D. They've got the QB, but just about everything else on their offense is an issue now (more so than even the Vikes/Broncos).
Just unsure  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 3:47 pm : link
if and when Ben comes back. His injury sounds minor, but you never know with him.

Brady vs the Steelers (before yesterday)

Career QB Rating 113.4.

Including playoffs, 8 - 2 W/L record.

24 TD's to 3 INT's

325 yards per game passing average

Denver with a rookie (for all intents and purposes) QB vs. Belichick is the stuff that makes Belichick legendary. In Denver that's the best chance for a Patriots loss the rest of the way.

Seeing Miami run for 200+ against Buffalo and the fact Buffalo beat the Pats earlier I see a blood bath. Double digit Patriots win. Book it.

Seattle should be good, but no 12th man, if they were in Seattle I'd give them a better shot.
Pat D is very beatable.  
Section331 : 10/24/2016 3:52 pm : link
A Landry Jones-led offense ran up almost 400 yards on them. With Ben, I think Pitt pulls it out. You're right, they'll be ready for Buffalo, but Ryan usually gives NE trouble. Brady v the Seattle D should be fun to watch!
Yes.  
Beezer : 10/24/2016 3:55 pm : link
Half a season-plus left. They look to be the best of the NFL right now, but it's a long damn way to the finish line, and so many variables. Injuries, teams get on streaks, etc.

Think about how much has transpired over these 7 weeks. Now think about that time frame again, plus a couple more weeks.

I'd take anyone's bet if they said the Patriots would win out.
Not sure about very beatable  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 3:58 pm : link
they're middle of the pack in yards allowed per game, but 4th in ppg (allowing under 16 points per game).

and as you know, Belichick and Parcells both consider points allowed the only stat that really matters for a defense.
RE: Yes.  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13189473 Beezer said:
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Half a season-plus left. They look to be the best of the NFL right now, but it's a long damn way to the finish line, and so many variables. Injuries, teams get on streaks, etc.

Think about how much has transpired over these 7 weeks. Now think about that time frame again, plus a couple more weeks.

I'd take anyone's bet if they said the Patriots would win out.


Obviously to bet on it you'd need good odds, but I would wager on it.

When I was in Vegas in August I bet the over on the Patriots win total - 10.5. The Patriots have won less than 11 games once the past decade.
BB vs Siemian is a huge advantage  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 4:11 pm : link
but you could argue that Siemian right now is a better QB than Peyton was in the postseason last year. He's certainly more capable of beating you physically (i.e. stronger arm, able to scramble, etc).
RE: Will anyone beat New England ...  
Trainmaster : 10/24/2016 4:16 pm : link
I think this guy has some experience doing so in the post season:

Probably not. The only team that can beat the Patriots  
Blue21 : 10/24/2016 4:16 pm : link
is the Patriots beating themselves.
RE: BB vs Siemian is a huge advantage  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13189494 giants#1 said:
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but you could argue that Siemian right now is a better QB than Peyton was in the postseason last year. He's certainly more capable of beating you physically (i.e. stronger arm, able to scramble, etc).


I agree about the arm strength and scrambling but not necessarily the decision making, plus NE defense is better now. Also, I don't know how real it is vs how much lip service, but Mike Tomlim says that Peyton Manning even if he didn't beat the Steelers with his arm in the Divisional playoff, his play calling and audibles constantly kept the defense off-balance and allowed Denver to score the points they needed to win. I don't see Siemian that cerebral yet (if ever) to beat a defense with his play calling.
Thank you Trainmaster  
exiled : 10/24/2016 4:27 pm : link
It's nice to remind myself of that from time to time.
''Name 3 players not named Drew Bledsoe  
Overseer : 10/24/2016 4:27 pm : link
who played before the Brady/Belichick era. Who was the coach before Bill Belichick?"

Spoiled spoiled fans and a team with virtually no division rivals to speak of, year after year. There hasn't been a good, consistent QB in the AFC East not named Brady since Dan Marino. It is absolutely astounding.

I hope they have a miserable 20 year downturn after that duo is gone.

Also, why the hell is a sports team named after 5 states? Montana, Utah, NM, and Wyoming don't have a football team. Let's call them the "Mountain State Broncos".
^ QB in the East not on the Patriots*  
Overseer : 10/24/2016 4:29 pm : link
I should say. Bledsoe counts.
QB's  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 4:32 pm : link
Scot Zolak, Tommy Hodgson, Hugh Millen,

I think Pete Carroll was coach directly before Belichick.

I often ask "true Patriots fans" those questions when they give me shit for my Giants gear.

I was at the old stadium (my college roommate had season tickets) if they didn't conflict with the Giants and I'd have my own row. Almost literally depending on the game. place was empty - until Parcells/Bledsoe.

I read the Patriots have the two best quarterbacks in the AFC East with Brady and Garoppolo, if you believe that (it means you don't think much of Tyrod Taylor) but consider that for a minute. That division just can't replace Marino, Kelly, and ???. Franchise QB's are not easy to find.
Nice to know your tteam  
Bluesbreaker : 10/24/2016 4:35 pm : link
is a virtual lock to make the playoffs year in and year out .
Thankfully we eat them Twice imagine if we didn't ?
What a freaking run for Brady and Little Bill Hats Off ..
Hah I should have clarified  
Overseer : 10/24/2016 4:36 pm : link
That quoted question was for "hardcore" Pats fans who've known nothing but winning for almost 2 decades. Even the young ones rarely care to appreciate team history (i.e, they couldn't tell you the Pats even made the SB in the 80s & 90s).

Aside from the Browns and Jags, one could make an argument that the 3 most worthless, inept teams all reside in the AFC East.
RE: RE: Will anyone beat New England ...  
Brown Recluse : 10/24/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13189507 Trainmaster said:
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I think this guy has some experience doing so in the post season:



Well, first you have to get to the post season
RE: ... first you have to go to the post season  
Trainmaster : 10/24/2016 5:25 pm : link
Ben and his "Chinese Menu sized play sheet" are working on it.



Same answer as 07,  
oldog : 10/24/2016 5:37 pm : link
yup.
RE: I'm so jealous of the Patriots.  
Unemployable : 10/24/2016 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13189446 Brown Recluse said:
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Must be nice to know your team is a contender every fricking year. Watching them play every weekend has to be a fairly stress free and enjoyable experience.


And have no competition for your division and trust your front office will bring in quality players.
Funny..this came.up at work the other day  
GIANTS128 : 10/24/2016 6:11 pm : link
I live in MA...was talking with a co-worker...he says he cant get excited during the regularseason...he said we are going to be 12-4 or 13-3 with a bye....so i only worry about the playoffs....i said must be nice...of course being a Giants fan..i getba lot of slack ;)
PJ...  
BillKo : 10/24/2016 7:03 pm : link
we are in complete agreement. I watched football from 930am until 11pm....and had the same thought.

First, how bad is the league? Sloppy play, penalties.....a lot of just average teams running around with their heads cut off.

NE just doesn't have that look........

Injuries are always the great equalizer, and you never know who is going to emerge, but they appear to be the best team right now.

And, IMO, even they aren't that great. Just a good team, which is excellently coached, in a wretched league right now.
RE: ''Name 3 players not named Drew Bledsoe  
FStubbs : 10/24/2016 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13189534 Overseer said:
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who played before the Brady/Belichick era. Who was the coach before Bill Belichick?"

Spoiled spoiled fans and a team with virtually no division rivals to speak of, year after year. There hasn't been a good, consistent QB in the AFC East not named Brady since Dan Marino. It is absolutely astounding.

I hope they have a miserable 20 year downturn after that duo is gone.

Also, why the hell is a sports team named after 5 states? Montana, Utah, NM, and Wyoming don't have a football team. Let's call them the "Mountain State Broncos".


They might know Pete Carroll after they made a big deal about it during the NE/Seattle Superbowl.

Name 3 Patriots other than Bledsoe before Brady - I'd say name 3 Patriots who NEVER played with Brady, as I think McGinest, Troy Brown, and Tedy Brusci are well known.
The guy coaching that team  
joeinpa : 10/24/2016 7:33 pm : link
Is pretty good. But Giants front office couldn't get back his personality. Big reason I believe George Young does not belong in Hall.

That and preventing Parcells return. Oh and there was that little thing called free agency he never quite got right
RE: RE: ''Name 3 players not named Drew Bledsoe  
chopperhatch : 10/24/2016 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13189686 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13189534 Overseer said:


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who played before the Brady/Belichick era. Who was the coach before Bill Belichick?"

Spoiled spoiled fans and a team with virtually no division rivals to speak of, year after year. There hasn't been a good, consistent QB in the AFC East not named Brady since Dan Marino. It is absolutely astounding.

I hope they have a miserable 20 year downturn after that duo is gone.

Also, why the hell is a sports team named after 5 states? Montana, Utah, NM, and Wyoming don't have a football team. Let's call them the "Mountain State Broncos".



They might know Pete Carroll after they made a big deal about it during the NE/Seattle Superbowl.

Name 3 Patriots other than Bledsoe before Brady - I'd say name 3 Patriots who NEVER played with Brady, as I think McGinest, Troy Brown, and Tedy Brusci are well known.


Pennington had a nice little run, but fairly true. The New England thing I think might have been an attempt to try and recoop so many fans of the Giants up there and specifically to try and at least split CT.

Andre Tippett, Irving Fryar, Mosi Tatupu. Lol
True about the fans  
Overseer : 10/24/2016 8:02 pm : link
(and 6 states, not 5), but obviously the Bruins, Sox, and Celtics don't do it. It's a cheap, gimmicky trick to garner more fans. It also sorta fucks up the name since the "Patriots" part is so closely associated with early Boston history.

(Yes, I am jealous and bitter).

Looking forward to Von Miller killing them again in the AFCCG, hopefully. And damn you Pete Carroll for not giving the ball to Lynch.
You'd figure they would have  
pjcas18 : 10/24/2016 8:19 pm : link
ruined the whole New England feel when they ass-raped Hartford.

Nope.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/24/2016 8:26 pm : link
They will also probably play Garafalo the last 2-3 games of the regular season and increase his trade value.

And the beat goes on...
RE: Pat D is very beatable.  
schabadoo : 10/24/2016 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13189467 Section331 said:
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A Landry Jones-led offense ran up almost 400 yards on them. With Ben, I think Pitt pulls it out. You're right, they'll be ready for Buffalo, but Ryan usually gives NE trouble. Brady v the Seattle D should be fun to watch!


KC, Pitt, Denver all have a shot. Arizona had them beat. Their D is suspect.
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