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Raiders' Michael Crabtree penalized for TD celebration...

RC02XX : 10/24/2016 3:50 pm
We've had a hearty discussion regarding OBJ's penalty for taking off his helmet after his go-ahead TD against the Ravens. There were lively back and forth among many posters regarding the validity of the penalty, the immaturity of OBJ, and the impact it had on the final Ravens' drive. With that in mind, Raiders' Michael Crabtree was penalized for celebrating a TD. I'm sure there can be arguments from both sides regarding the validity of this celebration. What do you think?

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Doing a throat slash gesture as a celebration is against the rules and has been for a long time, so it’s an easy 15-yard penalty that players should be able to avoid. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Michael Crabtree wasn’t able to avoid the penalty Sunday, even though he didn’t even do one.

Crabtree celebrated a 2-yard touchdown pass against the Jacksonville Jaguars just before halftime by tossing the ball. Along the way, his hand was close to his throat. Evidently that was close enough for officials to assess an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.



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i didn't  
Les in TO : 10/24/2016 3:53 pm : link
see a slash. maybe the nfl is trying to recoup some of the lost revenues from falling attendance and ratings by amplifying the fines this year :)
The league is destroying itself  
Giants in 07 : 10/24/2016 3:56 pm : link
The officials have proven that they don't know what they are seeing or calling when it comes to the actual game being played.

Now you are asking them to make more judgment calls based on celebrations. For a flag to be called on Crabtree there, the official (figuratively) already has his hand on the flag just waiting for anything to give him an excuse to throw it.

The officials have to be disciplined/fined/suspended for decisions like these. With no accountability comes no change.
the league is going down the shitter  
UConn4523 : 10/24/2016 3:56 pm : link
example #36,742.
horrible penalty  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 4:06 pm : link
looks like Crabtree 'thought' about doing a throat slash, then stopped, but that's just an awful call. They really need to just eliminate flags for celebrating TDs. If it's (clear) taunting, then flag it, otherwise what's the harm in letting guys celebrate?
looks like he is pointing  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/24/2016 4:13 pm : link
at one of his teammates out of the shot.

just ridiculous.
Will be interested to see  
Keith : 10/24/2016 4:16 pm : link
if the NFL still fines him.
pathetic  
ZogZerg : 10/24/2016 4:16 pm : link
Why does nothing happen to the refs that make these ridiculous calls?????
I  
AcidTest : 10/24/2016 4:21 pm : link
agree that celebrations are out of control (see Beckham, Odell), but that penalty is ridiculous. No Fun League.
Refs  
Toth029 : 10/24/2016 4:21 pm : link
Need to be replaced with new ones.
speaking of questionable penalties  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 4:21 pm : link
does anyone have video of the unsportmanlike penalty after the Collins TD? Announcers claimed it was on Hart, though it kind of sounds like they called it on Owa if you listen to the ref in the background
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i watched it before i read  
Rocky369 : 10/24/2016 4:24 pm : link
and thought the bogus penalty was for throwing the ball (not different than spiking a ball). what he did, was barely a white kid trying to dab.
calling that flag bullshit is being too kind  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2016 4:27 pm : link
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Nice Going  
Bluesbreaker : 10/24/2016 4:30 pm : link
Homer Jones ...
RE: speaking of questionable penalties  
ron mexico : 10/24/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13189522 giants#1 said:
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does anyone have video of the unsportmanlike penalty after the Collins TD? Announcers claimed it was on Hart, though it kind of sounds like they called it on Owa if you listen to the ref in the background Link - ( New Window )


I thought it ended up being on the Rams
RE: RE: speaking of questionable penalties  
giants#1 : 10/24/2016 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13189579 ron mexico said:
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In comment 13189522 giants#1 said:


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does anyone have video of the unsportmanlike penalty after the Collins TD? Announcers claimed it was on Hart, though it kind of sounds like they called it on Owa if you listen to the ref in the background Link - ( New Window )



I thought it ended up being on the Rams


No, it was on the Giants. They announcers claimed they initially announced it on the Rams, but from the link in my previous post, they announce it has "#68 (or 58?) on the 'defense'". I'm guessing the confusion (aside from Harlan probably being drunk) was that the Rams were technically on 'defense' after the INT.
i was taught by nfl official  
nygiants16 : 10/24/2016 5:05 pm : link
he started his career in jersey so he helps train officials and does film work...

his first words on the first day were do not anticipate a penalty, so in other words do not throw a flag unless you see the entire penalty...

his second was do not become part of the game, no one is there to see you, let the players play, you are there just to keep the game clean...

it seems like now officials want to be celebrities and be part of the game, everyone wants to be known and it is ruining the game...
RE: RE: RE: speaking of questionable penalties  
adamg : 10/24/2016 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13189585 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13189579 ron mexico said:


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In comment 13189522 giants#1 said:


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does anyone have video of the unsportmanlike penalty after the Collins TD? Announcers claimed it was on Hart, though it kind of sounds like they called it on Owa if you listen to the ref in the background Link - ( New Window )



I thought it ended up being on the Rams



No, it was on the Giants. They announcers claimed they initially announced it on the Rams, but from the link in my previous post, they announce it has "#68 (or 58?) on the 'defense'". I'm guessing the confusion (aside from Harlan probably being drunk) was that the Rams were technically on 'defense' after the INT.


I heard it as 58: Owa. I think you're right. No idea what caused the penalty though.
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You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 10/24/2016 6:29 pm : link
Saw that live. Ref even said "throat slash" when announcing the penalty. Bizarre.
in fairness  
RasputinPrime : 10/24/2016 7:46 pm : link
you can slash a throat in either direction.
What a fucking joke.  
arcarsenal : 10/24/2016 7:49 pm : link
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RE: in fairness  
RC02XX : 10/24/2016 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13189719 RasputinPrime said:
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you can slash a throat in either direction.


True...however, throwing a flag when you think you saw something is exactly why these refs are getting shit on so badly. They should err on letting the game play out unless they are sure that an infraction happened. They shouldn't throw the flag on something that's totally wishywashy.
Excessive celebration  
giantgiantfan : 10/25/2016 3:09 am : link
just needs to go. The refs really are starting to make the game fucking suck.
RE: Excessive celebration  
stillpoe : 10/25/2016 10:33 am : link
In comment 13189946 giantgiantfan said:
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just needs to go. The refs really are starting to make the game fucking suck.


I'm so sick of the over-policing of celebrations. Soccer allows team celebrations and only issue yellow cards when a player takes off his jersey or jumps into the crowd. The celebrations add to the entertainment; let them be. Run the play clock once they score, and if their elaborate celebration leads to a delay of game, then penalize them. Otherwise, who cares? As long as they aren't in the face of another player and taunting them, it shouldn't matter if 3-4 guys are doing a dance move to celebrate their team putting up 6 points.

RE: Excessive celebration  
Sonic Youth : 10/25/2016 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13189946 giantgiantfan said:
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just needs to go. The refs really are starting to make the game fucking suck.
That's your definition of an excessive celebration?

Do you also have sex only on Thursdays, in missionary only, by sticking your dick through your pajama pants pee slot?
f the NFL  
spike : 10/25/2016 9:40 pm : link
they shouldl go back to dunking the football on the goalpost.
What a crap penalty  
JOrthman : 10/26/2016 4:57 am : link
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