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Giants are ranked 10th in defensive points allowed

sxdxca : 10/24/2016 8:48 pm
They are only giving 20.1 points per game , which is very good and a big reason we have 4 wins.

They are also ranked 12th in rushing defense at 93.5 yards per game , also very good

Offensively they are ranked 6th in passing yards per game , which is good.

However they are ranked 25th in offensive points scored per game at 19.0 which isn't good at all.

So as a summary , defensively I don't think you can really complain about that , except for maybe more sacks.

Offensively is a whole nother story. 19 points per game isn't going to cut going forward. Somehow they've got to figure out a way to score TD's consistently.

They should be putting up 25-26 points per game. If were gonna have any shot in the next 9 games , that must improve.
The  
AcidTest : 10/24/2016 9:15 pm : link
offense looks painful most times. No running game, and a limited route tree that includes no deep passing game because we are often facing a cover 2 defense. Teams are playing their safeties back. You need a running game and a TE who can threaten the middle of the field to beat that problem. The defense is doing well, but will be worn out by the end of the season unless the offense improves.
Problem is  
Giants_ROK : 10/24/2016 9:21 pm : link
the Cowboys are only giving up close to 18 points a game and the Eagles are only giving up close to 15 points a game.
A decent amount of those points  
slickwilly : 10/24/2016 9:30 pm : link
against were also aided by short fields with all of the O's turnovers.
RE: The  
chopperhatch : 10/24/2016 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13189800 AcidTest said:
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offense looks painful most times. No running game, and a limited route tree that includes no deep passing game because we are often facing a cover 2 defense. Teams are playing their safeties back. You need a running game and a TE who can threaten the middle of the field to beat that problem. The defense is doing well, but will be worn out by the end of the season unless the offense improves.



Very much THIS. In the thread I started about my observations through the first 7 games and how they looked yesterday, I met the familiar refrain "oh right, like YOU, Joe Fan know something that the coaches who work 100 hours a week don't." While that is a fair rebuttal, I can say I know the game well enough to see when things dont make sense and its not like a new coaching staff has much credibility.

We certainly have to give our D a breather. Joey said that it might be Macadoo wanting to establish his philosophy. Well, its not working. If he wants to run out of the gun, fine. Beat them up with slants and underneath stuff to get linebackers to drop more. And our TEs are exactly the personnel to blow open the seam. Tye can def be relied on to do that. Donnell, if we absolutely must play his punk ass, can excel at only this. But when I see them running pass plays on 3rd down with our TEs running out to the flat, and the defenders dont have to do anything other than plant, drive and tackle to force a fourth down, I cant see the benefit of that "philosophy." its not unpredictable. We're just making poor use of our personnel. Its not like its Shockey who can get turned and break some tackles. Its Larry fucking Donnell. Tye up the seam with ODB on a slant and Shep running a flag or square out is easy pockins given our players.


Instead, our defense makes big stops, offense goes three and out (sometimes in the hurry up) and our D is right back on the field again.

Im sorry, but there is a significant disconnect in this offense and it had better get fixed by the bye, otherwise Philly will wipe their ass with us
We are not using Donnell correctly.  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2016 10:01 pm : link
He needs a different uniform..,
It's a lot better than 10th  
UConn4523 : 10/24/2016 10:03 pm : link
probably closer to 5th if this offense ever woke the fuck up. Turnovers, 3 and outs, and not capitalizing on opportunities have made life very hard on the defense.
Yards per game  
PEEJ : 10/24/2016 10:05 pm : link
doesn't show how well the defense has been playing because of all the extra plays they face. The D is 5/6 in yds per rush and yds per pass attempt.
On defense...  
EricJ : 10/24/2016 10:07 pm : link
I think our stats could be better (points given up) if our offense did not turn the ball over so much in our own end.

On offense, the total yards is a stat that is fools gold. The only thing that matters is points. If we have 60 yard drives on every possession and then come up empty every time, what did we accomplish?
Yes  
mdthedream : 10/24/2016 10:18 pm : link
have of the points are on the offense. The offense and Eli have been killing us. I still have hope Eli can get it done.
...  
christian : 10/24/2016 10:24 pm : link
The Giants have had good game plans and solid showings in every game this year.

They have giving up some be drives and have allowed some big conversions. There have been some bad individual plays.

That said, the improvement is noteable. We have a pretty good defense, remember last year, and think about now.
The defense has played well.....  
Doomster : 10/24/2016 10:39 pm : link
But they have made final drives of the opposition, interesting, to say the least....

The offense has been a huge surprise....I thought the OL would be better.....we didn't do enough with the RB and TE situation, in the off season.....I thought SS would be a huge improvement over Randle....but he is a rookie and inconsistent.....OBj's head is the only thing stopping him.....Cruz is playing, but he is not the Victor Cruz we remember....is it because he is playing out of position, or have the injuries taken their toll?

But Eli has not had a good year....% wise(always helps to complete those 3rd down passes that don't result in first downs) and yardage, are just good stats.....8 TD's just doesn't cut it....his passing has been off.....he has missed on a lot of big plays this year...is it due to lack of confidence in his line affecting the clock in his head, or is it him?

This team has a bye to get ready for the Eagles....more than enough to prepare and have a game plan.....if this OL fails him, the plan goes out the window.....this team has to play a mistake free game to win this one.....another loss to a division opponent, puts the Giants behind the 8 ball when it comes to tie breakers....
RE: It's a lot better than 10th  
yatqb : 10/24/2016 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13189851 UConn4523 said:
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probably closer to 5th if this offense ever woke the fuck up. Turnovers, 3 and outs, and not capitalizing on opportunities have made life very hard on the defense.


I agree. Turnovers (obviously) and TOP are the biggies. If the offense controlled time of possession and didn't give up field position through turnovers we'd be much better statistically. BUT, we still don't get off the field on third and longs in critical situations...what was it, 3rd and 22 yesterday!!!?
RE: It's a lot better than 10th  
allstarjim : 10/25/2016 12:15 am : link
In comment 13189851 UConn4523 said:
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probably closer to 5th if this offense ever woke the fuck up. Turnovers, 3 and outs, and not capitalizing on opportunities have made life very hard on the defense.


This is very much the case. I think a significant portion of BBI doesn't realize how good this team has really been on defense. They are playing very well and not getting any help from their offense.
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JohnVB : 10/25/2016 12:34 am : link
In comment 13189821 chopperhatch said:
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offense looks painful most times. No running game, and a limited route tree that includes no deep passing game because we are often facing a cover 2 defense. Teams are playing their safeties back. You need a running game and a TE who can threaten the middle of the field to beat that problem. The defense is doing well, but will be worn out by the end of the season unless the offense improves.




Very much THIS. In the thread I started about my observations through the first 7 games and how they looked yesterday, I met the familiar refrain "oh right, like YOU, Joe Fan know something that the coaches who work 100 hours a week don't." While that is a fair rebuttal, I can say I know the game well enough to see when things dont make sense and its not like a new coaching staff has much credibility.

We certainly have to give our D a breather. Joey said that it might be Macadoo wanting to establish his philosophy. Well, its not working. If he wants to run out of the gun, fine. Beat them up with slants and underneath stuff to get linebackers to drop more. And our TEs are exactly the personnel to blow open the seam. Tye can def be relied on to do that. Donnell, if we absolutely must play his punk ass, can excel at only this. But when I see them running pass plays on 3rd down with our TEs running out to the flat, and the defenders dont have to do anything other than plant, drive and tackle to force a fourth down, I cant see the benefit of that "philosophy." its not unpredictable. We're just making poor use of our personnel. Its not like its Shockey who can get turned and break some tackles. Its Larry fucking Donnell. Tye up the seam with ODB on a slant and Shep running a flag or square out is easy pockins given our players.


Instead, our defense makes big stops, offense goes three and out (sometimes in the hurry up) and our D is right back on the field again.

Im sorry, but there is a significant disconnect in this offense and it had better get fixed by the bye, otherwise Philly will wipe their ass with us


The Giants tried the TE seam route (see skins game) and they've tried targeting their RBs and TEs in 1 on 1 situations. It didn't work. They aren't talented enough to beat their man consistently, and when they do, something disastrous happens.

The Giants simply do not have any talented, reliable, weapons at the TE/RB position.
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chopperhatch : 10/25/2016 1:03 am : link
In comment 13189930 JohnVB said:
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offense looks painful most times. No running game, and a limited route tree that includes no deep passing game because we are often facing a cover 2 defense. Teams are playing their safeties back. You need a running game and a TE who can threaten the middle of the field to beat that problem. The defense is doing well, but will be worn out by the end of the season unless the offense improves.




Very much THIS. In the thread I started about my observations through the first 7 games and how they looked yesterday, I met the familiar refrain "oh right, like YOU, Joe Fan know something that the coaches who work 100 hours a week don't." While that is a fair rebuttal, I can say I know the game well enough to see when things dont make sense and its not like a new coaching staff has much credibility.

We certainly have to give our D a breather. Joey said that it might be Macadoo wanting to establish his philosophy. Well, its not working. If he wants to run out of the gun, fine. Beat them up with slants and underneath stuff to get linebackers to drop more. And our TEs are exactly the personnel to blow open the seam. Tye can def be relied on to do that. Donnell, if we absolutely must play his punk ass, can excel at only this. But when I see them running pass plays on 3rd down with our TEs running out to the flat, and the defenders dont have to do anything other than plant, drive and tackle to force a fourth down, I cant see the benefit of that "philosophy." its not unpredictable. We're just making poor use of our personnel. Its not like its Shockey who can get turned and break some tackles. Its Larry fucking Donnell. Tye up the seam with ODB on a slant and Shep running a flag or square out is easy pockins given our players.


Instead, our defense makes big stops, offense goes three and out (sometimes in the hurry up) and our D is right back on the field again.

Im sorry, but there is a significant disconnect in this offense and it had better get fixed by the bye, otherwise Philly will wipe their ass with us



The Giants tried the TE seam route (see skins game) and they've tried targeting their RBs and TEs in 1 on 1 situations. It didn't work. They aren't talented enough to beat their man consistently, and when they do, something disastrous happens.

The Giants simply do not have any talented, reliable, weapons at the TE/RB position.


I dont remember this at all. I know that they tried it and didnt connect, but they didnt consistently run a TE up the middle of the field. I know they missed Tye who was wide open and that shouk have told them to keep running it.

And the "we don't have the talent" echo has gotten old. This team has plenty of talented players. Think about other teams. They dont have talent at EVERY position. God, that argument is old and tired..
This teams best offensive set up is 4 wideout  
George from PA : 10/25/2016 4:48 am : link
Spread it out.....and just throw.

With the occasional run......

I know it puts a ton of pressure and we are heading into cold weather......

If TE can't block.....why bother!
It's as if they are trying hard to not be  
NikkiMac : 10/25/2016 5:19 am : link
a run and shoot offense but that's exactly what we are with no fullback and a bunch of 5'11 6' ft receivers with no blocking tight end and suspect running back ....Last year Coughlin got pissed and made Macadoo start throwing downfield more .... I think they need to throw Harris some bones at WR he moves the chains and is physical and would give the offense a tough physical identity and the other players like him and feed off that and last year he was pretty good for us at WR..... this team has to use the whole roster they are not good enough to just go with the penciled in guys.... to me we are seeing a lot of parallels to the 2011 season IMO.
Offensive line play has a domino impact  
joeinpa : 10/25/2016 7:07 am : link
On the entire team. Case in point: the Cowboys defense. What was suppose to be a weak unit has performed above expectations due to time of possession and good field position.

Pts/game  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 7:47 am : link
Best way to improve both numbers is to fix the mistakes. If they can cut down on the INTs and even more so the fumbles, they'll be better able to sustain drives and will stop forcing the D to defend a short field (only Rams TD was off a fumble).

Defense has played above expectations so far  
gmen9892 : 10/25/2016 9:20 am : link
And with the return of DT and Berhe, along with some much needed rest for OV and JPP, I think this defense still has another level it can reach.

I am just praying that the offense can get it together. This is the same team that was, for the most part, a Top 10 offense last year. There is no logical reason this offense should be this bad right now. If they start producing, the defense gets even better, like it has been mentioned previously.
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JohnVB : 10/25/2016 9:27 pm : link
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offense looks painful most times. No running game, and a limited route tree that includes no deep passing game because we are often facing a cover 2 defense. Teams are playing their safeties back. You need a running game and a TE who can threaten the middle of the field to beat that problem. The defense is doing well, but will be worn out by the end of the season unless the offense improves.




Very much THIS. In the thread I started about my observations through the first 7 games and how they looked yesterday, I met the familiar refrain "oh right, like YOU, Joe Fan know something that the coaches who work 100 hours a week don't." While that is a fair rebuttal, I can say I know the game well enough to see when things dont make sense and its not like a new coaching staff has much credibility.

We certainly have to give our D a breather. Joey said that it might be Macadoo wanting to establish his philosophy. Well, its not working. If he wants to run out of the gun, fine. Beat them up with slants and underneath stuff to get linebackers to drop more. And our TEs are exactly the personnel to blow open the seam. Tye can def be relied on to do that. Donnell, if we absolutely must play his punk ass, can excel at only this. But when I see them running pass plays on 3rd down with our TEs running out to the flat, and the defenders dont have to do anything other than plant, drive and tackle to force a fourth down, I cant see the benefit of that "philosophy." its not unpredictable. We're just making poor use of our personnel. Its not like its Shockey who can get turned and break some tackles. Its Larry fucking Donnell. Tye up the seam with ODB on a slant and Shep running a flag or square out is easy pockins given our players.


Instead, our defense makes big stops, offense goes three and out (sometimes in the hurry up) and our D is right back on the field again.

Im sorry, but there is a significant disconnect in this offense and it had better get fixed by the bye, otherwise Philly will wipe their ass with us



The Giants tried the TE seam route (see skins game) and they've tried targeting their RBs and TEs in 1 on 1 situations. It didn't work. They aren't talented enough to beat their man consistently, and when they do, something disastrous happens.

The Giants simply do not have any talented, reliable, weapons at the TE/RB position.



I dont remember this at all. I know that they tried it and didnt connect, but they didnt consistently run a TE up the middle of the field. I know they missed Tye who was wide open and that shouk have told them to keep running it.
E Vikings game?
And the "we don't have the talent" echo has gotten old. This team has plenty of talented players. Think about other teams. They dont have talent at EVERY position. God, that argument is old and tired..


I didn't say the team lacked talent. I said they lack talented, reliable, TE's and RB's.

Again, the Giants tried using the TE/RB route and failed. Did you watch the Vikings game? The guys the Giants have at those spots lack talent and/or are too green to be featured.
RE: Offensive line play has a domino impact  
fanatic II : 10/25/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13189969 joeinpa said:
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On the entire team. Case in point: the Cowboys defense. What was suppose to be a weak unit has performed above expectations due to time of possession and good field position.



This is not exactly true.

Most believe that TOP is what helps the Dallas defense the most. What helps the Dallas defense the most is scoring and playing with the lead.

In 2014 Dallas led 69% of the time and the defense had 31 turnovers.

In 2015 Dallas led 16% of the time and Dallas had an all time low 11 turnovers.

In 2016 Dallas is once again scoring and playing with the lead and Dallas has 9 turnovers after 6 games.

When Dallas has the lead the "Tampa Two" defensive scheme that Dallas plays leads to the opposing offense taking chances, creating turnovers for the defense.

TOP is important, but scoring and playing with the lead is the most important for the Dallas defense.
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