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Evaluations of Sterling Shepard so far?

area junc : 10/25/2016 8:41 am
To me, his steel-trap hands, blocking ability and toughness are as advertised. He can definitely play slot in the NFL.

But I have to say, his YAC ability is not as good as I thought it was. There have now been several times where he is tackled in the open field. He was billed as a Steve Smith Sr. type player but I do not see that fight after the catch. (Nobody is Steve Smith Sr.)

I look around the NFL at the top slot WR's - I do not see Shepard having the speed + quickness of a Crowder, Doug Baldwin, etc. and I was under the impression his selection in the 2nd round indicated a top notch slot WR and a realistic OROY candidate.

I am happy with his overall play and he's definitely a legit NFL player but I have to admit, I was hoping for a higher skill level that I haven't seen on display, thus far. That play last week where he dropped the corner route in the end zone (yes, a contested catch but the same one he made @DAL) was disappointing as well.

What are Giants fans impressions thus far? As advertised? Better or worse than you expected?
Can you call specific plays where he had the opportunity to create  
jlukes : 10/25/2016 8:43 am : link
YAC and he didn't?

Seems like most of his catches have been contested and don't really allow for some good YAC.


That, and Eli is one of the worst QBs in the league at hitting his WRs in stride on short passes - far too often the WR has to adjust his stride to make up for an off target throw
hate agreeing with area junc  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 8:45 am : link
but he had a few opportunities this past weekend to make the 1st defender miss and pick up a big gain but couldn't.
We got good value in the second round,  
Ira : 10/25/2016 8:45 am : link
but he wasn't the steal that many of us (me included) thought he'd be.
What does Trent Baalke say about it?  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 8:45 am : link
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Eli and Shepard aren't on the same page yet  
jcn56 : 10/25/2016 8:48 am : link
There have been a few times where Eli has misthrown to Shepard, and I'm not sure whose fault it is, but there's some miscommunication out there.

I think once they get that ironed out you'll be able to evaluate him fairly. Right now - unless it's OBJ, nobody is getting YAC, hell, or even open most of the time. Can't put all of that on Shepard.
RE: Can you call specific plays where he had the opportunity to create  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2016 8:48 am : link
In comment 13190033 jlukes said:
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YAC and he didn't?

Seems like most of his catches have been contested and don't really allow for some good YAC.


That, and Eli is one of the worst QBs in the league at hitting his WRs in stride on short passes - far too often the WR has to adjust his stride to make up for an off target throw


Joe, a little hyperbole my friend? One of the WORST QBs in the league re hitting people in stride? Perhaps earlier in his career, but he's made his living hitting people like Cruz, OBJ in stride, imo..He's certainly not one of the best, but far from one of the worst, imo
such a small sample size  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2016 8:49 am : link
his YPC is better than Crowder's was his rookie year and only has 30 YAC yards less. Yeah, we'd all love to see him turn it upfield and make defenders miss, but he's still learning and he's sharing duties with Cruz and at times Beckham. Shepards YAC ability isn't something I'm remotely concerned with.
though I (sort of) disagree that SS isn't  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 8:49 am : link
a ROTY candidate. If Elliott wasn't running away with it (no pun intended), SS would be on the short list. SS is 2nd among rookies with 31 rec (Thomas leads with 36), 3rd in yards (Thomas - 437, Fuller - 349), and tied in 4th with 2 TDs (Henry, Hill, and Thomas have 3). SS is also 2nd with 18 first downs (Thomas - 23).
RE: What does Trent Baalke say about it?  
Johnny5 : 10/25/2016 8:49 am : link
In comment 13190039 Greg from LI said:
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OK, I know there's a joke here.... what did I miss? lol
Eli has played so bad  
Rflairr : 10/25/2016 8:50 am : link
That you can't get a good evaluation of him.

McAdoo hasn't helped with his pathetic game planning
I couldn't disagree more,  
barens : 10/25/2016 8:51 am : link
he's met and exceeded my expectations. Asking him to be Steve Smith Sr, I mean come on, and as a rookie...
Brought this up last week  
Marty866b : 10/25/2016 8:52 am : link
I don't see the explosiveness we where all hoping for. He doesn't appear to have the same short area quickness that our Steve Smith had. Steve Smith had great little moves that would create separation though he had no YAC ability. Shepard has terrific hands and seems very tough but every catch is highly contested and the throws to him have had to be perfect in order to be completed. We have only gotten a small sample size and I look for him to improve but to be honest,I thought he would be better.
Shepard has every bit  
pjcas18 : 10/25/2016 8:52 am : link
the speed and quickness that Crowder and Baldwin have.

Crowder doesn't have an Odell Beckham on his team, isn't a rookie, and the Giants don't have nearly as good an OL as Washington. Trent Williams has really developed into a premier LT if he wasn't already.

For the record, Shepard is projected to far surpass both Crowder and Baldwin rookie year production.

Shepard even has a chance to surpass Crowder's production this year with a good second half.
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Toth029 : 10/25/2016 8:53 am : link
Playcalling and OL protection has limited the offense and his ability. I'm not down on him like some seem to be.
I think he's pressing a bit  
JonC : 10/25/2016 8:54 am : link
as is the entire offense. Their margin for error is quite small on a weekly basis, and McAdoo is calling plays accordingly. They need to collectively start making plays and loosening up the defense, because right now our rushing "attack" is consistently handled by the opponent without bringing up extra defenders in the box, and they're unable to consistently beat a basic Cover 2 shell.

He's also still just a rookie.
RE: I couldn't disagree more,  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2016 8:55 am : link
In comment 13190054 barens said:
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he's met and exceeded my expectations. Asking him to be Steve Smith Sr, I mean come on, and as a rookie...


Look at the Collins threads from last year. He was considered a bust after his rookie year by some after playing out of position and on a historically bad defense. Similarly, this offense has no pace and isn't clicking and Shepard is still making a lot of big catches in traffic, for 1st downs. That's more important right now than his YAC, which will come in time. Can't teach getting hit hard and holding on to the ball.
RE: RE: What does Trent Baalke say about it?  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 8:59 am : link
In comment 13190049 Johnny5 said:
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OK, I know there's a joke here.... what did I miss? lol


Goes back to area "Thomas" junk's summer thread about the imminent trade of Anthony Davis, which he then claimed was scotched by the dastardly Baalke.
He's been just about what I expected SO FAR  
GuzzaBlue : 10/25/2016 9:00 am : link
Nothing less and nothing more. He's been very solid, but you can tell he still has to learn some of the angles and nuances of the pro game. He seems to have good hands and can run good routes - he'll only get better with experience. Have patience with Shep.
Hes been solid if unspectacular so far  
gmen9892 : 10/25/2016 9:05 am : link
Really hard to judge anyone on this offense right now because as a whole, they are still WAY off and not producing. I think if/when this offense starts clicking, SS will be a big part and will show off his skills.
Our offense isn't in great shape and he's adjusting to the NFL  
Giantology : 10/25/2016 9:10 am : link
That said, I expect his contributions to grow and his production to pick up as the season goes on.
Don't Judge  
King Quis : 10/25/2016 9:14 am : link
so hastily my friend. The whole Giants' offense has looked pretty sub par this year. except for one game if a person was looking at Beckham's production to evaluate what type of player he is we wouldn't have a clue how good he really is. If anything this offense seems to be unimaginative to say the least and it just doesn't put our weapons in the best positions to be effective. McAdoo really needs to show what he is about going forward. I know the Mara's and Tisch's don't necessarily make rash or knee jerk decisions in terms of changing from head coach to head coach but the offense is playing very uninspired ball and so far is the weak link of this team at this point.
I expected more  
averagejoe : 10/25/2016 9:15 am : link
separation and speed. He is has not been getting open like I expected he would with all eyes on Beckham. Giants still badly need a WR outside with size as Cruz and Shepard are both slot receivers.
you can analyze  
area junc : 10/25/2016 9:24 am : link
a guy's play without looking at the entire offense. Like I said, there's been several times now where he's had a 2-way go in the open field and gets slammed without going anywhere. That has nothing to do with Eli, the offense struggling, etc.

Part of it for me is that Victor Cruz looks more explosive NOW, still and Shepard is playing his position. Of course, we couldnt've known this but we also had Harris backing up Cruz in the slot.

I am happy with Shep but was expecting more raw talent, and now, with 20/20 hindsight, it looks like we just should've kept Cruz in the slot and taken Cody Whitehair or Jarran Reed (2 studs on the LOS).
The problem is  
gmen9892 : 10/25/2016 9:25 am : link
With no running game, we have ZERO ability to run play-action, which is generally how receivers get open. Some type of deception. There is no deception with this offense and everyone from the fans to the opposing defense knows what they are going to do before they do it.

The only way this offense scores right now is on tough/contested catches, great throws, or OBJ making something out of nothing. Its really sad to watch and needs to change starting Nov. 6th vs Philly. There is no chance we win that game with the offense in its current state.
This is another area the lack of running game is killing us  
UberAlias : 10/25/2016 9:26 am : link
Giants are 32st in the league in rushing yards per game despite seeing favorable fronts constantly. So you have an extra defender back in coverage all the time. Then when they run it on 1st down it goes for maybe a yard, they are not finding themselves in favorable down and distances. Our opponents don't need to gamble with a lot of blitzes to get pressure. So they can comfortably have guys back in coverage and limit big plays.
Hard to get play action  
Rflairr : 10/25/2016 9:27 am : link
When you run out of the Shotgun all the time. It's a scheme problem
RE: you can analyze  
pjcas18 : 10/25/2016 9:28 am : link
In comment 13190112 area junc said:
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a guy's play without looking at the entire offense. Like I said, there's been several times now where he's had a 2-way go in the open field and gets slammed without going anywhere. That has nothing to do with Eli, the offense struggling, etc.

Part of it for me is that Victor Cruz looks more explosive NOW, still and Shepard is playing his position. Of course, we couldnt've known this but we also had Harris backing up Cruz in the slot.

I am happy with Shep but was expecting more raw talent, and now, with 20/20 hindsight, it looks like we just should've kept Cruz in the slot and taken Cody Whitehair or Jarran Reed (2 studs on the LOS).


Seriously? After seeing what the Giants went through last year with Preston Parker and Harris in the slot, you wanted to roll the dice on Cruz who would have gone almost 2 years without playing a meaningful down of football?

10 times out of 10 in the same situation the Giants take Shepard there with the knowledge they had of the situation.

Now, if the Giants had signed a stop gap like Anquan Boldin or acquired another veteran legit slot receiver then maybe you adjust, but otherwise Shepard is the pick there every time.
Shepherd  
PaulN : 10/25/2016 9:29 am : link
Has been good, every bit as good as I hoped, Beckham does not have the numbers he should have either, and Eli does not have the numbers he should have, the problem is the Oline, not Eli, not Beckham, and not Shepherd, all three do not have the numbers they should.

Why? Simple, the offensive line stinks, they can not move anyone off the ball. They ate totally one dimensional and therefore can be defended pretty easily by even a mediocre defense.

Our defense would have no problem, with this offense, none at all. Eli getting older is also an issue, and I think he is hurting and therefore a little more skittish.

But the culprit is Eric Flowers, he is the big first round pick that was supposed to be our great left tackle, plain and simply he stinks and is a total bust. The rest of our Oline is not very good either, we don't have any offensive lineman on this team that is a really good player, Richburg and Pugh are average players, nothing more, hell even jerry has been average this season, but our right tackles are poor and our left tackle is poor, with an older immobile QB, that is a recipe for disaster.

This issue is totally on the GM first and the head coach, he agreed with Reese, how else did he get hired, and this simply has not worked at all, the good news is the defense is at least good enough to keep us in games, but unless this offensive line improves measurably, this team is going nowhere.

So Shepherd has been as good as he was supposed to be, why is Beckham's numbers not as good, has he forgot how to be dominant? No, Eli does not have enough time and does not trust this offensive line, that is the entire issue.
RE: Hard to get play action  
Bill L : 10/25/2016 9:31 am : link
In comment 13190120 Rflairr said:
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When you run out of the Shotgun all the time. It's a scheme problem
It could also be a line problem. They might feel like the shotgun gives them more time to develop the play.
7 games in...  
arcarsenal : 10/25/2016 9:31 am : link
....and this guy wants to go back and take someone else instead of Shepard.

Oy vey.
Size/Speed ratio is mediocre  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/25/2016 9:31 am : link
This was my biggest concern with him. He is small and his deep speed doesn't scare defenses. You need to be really good at the other aspects of the game to make up for a mediocre size/speed ratio, regardless of position.

But the hands have been as advertised and I've been really impressed by his toughness. He hasn't really had a chance to show his YAC ability so it's tough to judge that part of his game so far, he's usually getting drilled right after Eli gets it to him.

He's still a rookie on pace for roughly 65/800/5, he's actually had big games for us (Saints), he's shown some plus skills (hands/toughness). I do think the size/speed thing will limit him, but he can still be a valuable player for us and is only going to get better.
RE: you can analyze  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2016 9:33 am : link
In comment 13190112 area junc said:
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a guy's play without looking at the entire offense. Like I said, there's been several times now where he's had a 2-way go in the open field and gets slammed without going anywhere. That has nothing to do with Eli, the offense struggling, etc.

Part of it for me is that Victor Cruz looks more explosive NOW, still and Shepard is playing his position. Of course, we couldnt've known this but we also had Harris backing up Cruz in the slot.

I am happy with Shep but was expecting more raw talent, and now, with 20/20 hindsight, it looks like we just should've kept Cruz in the slot and taken Cody Whitehair or Jarran Reed (2 studs on the LOS).


How many is several? 2 or 3? If that's the case how can you tell anything from such a tiny sample size?
Also  
PaulN : 10/25/2016 9:34 am : link
Add to the equation that we do not have an adequate TE to the reason our skill players do not have the numbers they should, because since we are evaluating Shepherd, and since he is simply just a part of the offensive unit, you must look at the entire picture to evaluate this fairly, that is what I see and I don't see any issue at all with Shepherd, or Beckham, or Eli, other then he is getting older and is not going to get more mobile.
I  
AcidTest : 10/25/2016 9:37 am : link
think he's been great. He's shifty, has great hands, can take a hit. Give it time. The whole offense is moribund. We have no running game, and Eli is getting rid of the ball immediately because he doesn't trust his OL. Teams are compressing to the LOS, which clogs passing lanes, and underneath routes.
Most impressive thing about him for me so far...  
arcarsenal : 10/25/2016 9:38 am : link
Is his ability to hang onto the football on catches where defenders pop him the second he gets his hands on the ball. Once he's got it, he keeps it. He's made a few catches of this variety that I would expect most WR's to lose a handle on.

He came out of the gates pretty fast and I think paired with the rave reviews he got in camp it created semi-unrealistic expectations.. the talk about him being Beckham v2.0 seemed pretty crazy to me but I still think he's going to be an excellent player. It's been 7 games and it's not like he's struggling.. he's just on the heels of a few quiet weeks which is normal for most rookie WR's.
YAC is dependent upon  
Randy in CT : 10/25/2016 9:39 am : link
circumstances and the situation, not purely ability.
RE: Most impressive thing about him for me so far...  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/25/2016 9:47 am : link
In comment 13190153 arcarsenal said:
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Is his ability to hang onto the football on catches where defenders pop him the second he gets his hands on the ball. Once he's got it, he keeps it. He's made a few catches of this variety that I would expect most WR's to lose a handle on.

He came out of the gates pretty fast and I think paired with the rave reviews he got in camp it created semi-unrealistic expectations.. the talk about him being Beckham v2.0 seemed pretty crazy to me but I still think he's going to be an excellent player. It's been 7 games and it's not like he's struggling.. he's just on the heels of a few quiet weeks which is normal for most rookie WR's.


I think he might actually have "stronger" hands than Beckham. If he gets it, it's his. Beckham's body control, explosion, and hand-eye are ninja level; but I don't think his hands are as vice-grip as Shep's.
For a rookie picked in the 2nd rd. I think he's done well  
njm : 10/25/2016 9:53 am : link
Strikes me that you're applying a standard that would be set for a 1st rd. pick. There is a learning curve and I think he will continue to get better.
Great rookie season - but not phenomenal  
Bob in Newburgh : 10/25/2016 9:55 am : link
If we had not seen OBJ's rookie season, and established it as a baseline, negatives would not exist.
Id like to see  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/25/2016 10:01 am : link
Him sent downfield a bit more. Everything is a 7 yard out.
ODB  
area junc : 10/25/2016 10:19 am : link
NFL CBs can run with him deep. What's too bad about this is that Cruz would probably be better in the slot right now, than Shepard. Cruz is showing some nifty YAC ability but isn't a vertical threat.

They have to play their top 3 WRs though and Shepard has to play the slot.
would like to see  
area junc : 10/25/2016 10:21 am : link
some snaps with ODB - Roger Lewis outside and Cruz in the slot.
Not saying Shepard deserves to be benched I would just experiment with this line-up and see if it sparks something.
RE: RE: Can you call specific plays where he had the opportunity to create  
jlukes : 10/25/2016 10:23 am : link
In comment 13190044 Big Blue '56 said:
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YAC and he didn't?

Seems like most of his catches have been contested and don't really allow for some good YAC.


That, and Eli is one of the worst QBs in the league at hitting his WRs in stride on short passes - far too often the WR has to adjust his stride to make up for an off target throw



Joe, a little hyperbole my friend? One of the WORST QBs in the league re hitting people in stride? Perhaps earlier in his career, but he's made his living hitting people like Cruz, OBJ in stride, imo..He's certainly not one of the best, but far from one of the worst, imo


I stand by my comments. Deep ball is different, but Eli is TERRIBLE at leading his receivers on short passes.

His worst may be the bubble screen - he always throws it high and behind the WR so the WR has to adjust rather than just snatching the ball while beginning to move downfield.
RE: RE: RE: Can you call specific plays where he had the opportunity to create  
pjcas18 : 10/25/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 13190243 jlukes said:
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In comment 13190044 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 13190033 jlukes said:


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YAC and he didn't?

Seems like most of his catches have been contested and don't really allow for some good YAC.


That, and Eli is one of the worst QBs in the league at hitting his WRs in stride on short passes - far too often the WR has to adjust his stride to make up for an off target throw



Joe, a little hyperbole my friend? One of the WORST QBs in the league re hitting people in stride? Perhaps earlier in his career, but he's made his living hitting people like Cruz, OBJ in stride, imo..He's certainly not one of the best, but far from one of the worst, imo



I stand by my comments. Deep ball is different, but Eli is TERRIBLE at leading his receivers on short passes.

His worst may be the bubble screen - he always throws it high and behind the WR so the WR has to adjust rather than just snatching the ball while beginning to move downfield.


I don't remember him throwing that pass high to Nicks. Am I just not remembering?

I thought the bubble screen to Nicks was one of the best plays of that era since Nicks was so smooth once he had the ball almost always made the first guy miss for a decent pick up.

Unless those were just straight WR screens and not bubble screens.

I always found Eli to struggle most with the RB screen, and the OL has always struggled with it, but I'm not sure where the blame lies, OL, Eli, RB - Tiki did fine with it, but that was a different OL and RB.

vereen caught a lot of screens last year that did well.
Shep has shown to me...  
BillKo : 10/25/2016 10:30 am : link
great hands (he's made some tough catches with defenders draped on him) and an ability to contribute immediately out of the gate.

What plays last weekend did he fail to make YAC?? I don't recall any.......
I think it's fair to speculate  
djm : 10/25/2016 10:39 am : link
that the OL and overall passing scheme MIGHT be holding back the WR's yac abilities just a bit. Just a theory not saying anything is definitive. People have been comparing this Cruz to 2011 but ins't it possible that the 11 offense afforded the WRs better yac opportunities? That passing scheme back then was much more elaborate and aggressively went downfield much more than today's. The passing lanes were wider.

I like our WRs, especially Shepard. HE's a long term solution. In the off-season i'd like to see the Giants bring in a bigger target at WR or TE.
bottom line with all the good looking rookies on this team  
djm : 10/25/2016 10:41 am : link
through the first half of the season they are contributing. They are positive players. Some young players hit their ceiling early while others have a lot of room for improvement and growth. Yet to be seen how good this class is but there's little doubt they are at least capable.
RE: I think it's fair to speculate  
jlukes : 10/25/2016 10:43 am : link
In comment 13190285 djm said:
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that the OL and overall passing scheme MIGHT be holding back the WR's yac abilities just a bit. Just a theory not saying anything is definitive. People have been comparing this Cruz to 2011 but ins't it possible that the 11 offense afforded the WRs better yac opportunities? That passing scheme back then was much more elaborate and aggressively went downfield much more than today's. The passing lanes were wider.

I like our WRs, especially Shepard. HE's a long term solution. In the off-season i'd like to see the Giants bring in a bigger target at WR or TE.


Agreed. I would love for them to target Michael Floyd, even if it means getting rid of Cruz
SS  
hassan : 10/25/2016 12:07 pm : link
is a good player but he is a #2. As I mentioned earlier this month, he is not the second coming of Odell that was discussed in training camp. He has average size and speed combo as Osi mentioned. He does make up for it in great other attributes but he will never be a #1 receiver should ODB leave for example.

Honestly, he's best suited to the slot and NYG should find an outside bigger possession receiver to compliment OBJ and him.

He is not a Wideout, he is a a slot guy.....  
Doomster : 10/25/2016 2:21 pm : link
Part of the problem is Eli....on a lot of Eli's completions, guys are diving for the ball, leaping for the ball, or reaching back for the ball.....those kind of completions are not conducive to yards after the catch....

You hit a guy in stride, those are the plays that gain yardage.....

We all wanted SS to be a vet from the opening gate.....it hasn't happened....but at least you see a play here and there, that shows the talent.....it's just a matter of getting on the same page with Eli, and being more consistent....

But Eli does need that big possession WR, a Nicks Type, that he has confidence in, that can go up and fight for the ball....he basically has "small" receivers....
He is not a Wideout, he is a a slot guy.....  
Doomster : 10/25/2016 2:21 pm : link
Part of the problem is Eli....on a lot of Eli's completions, guys are diving for the ball, leaping for the ball, or reaching back for the ball.....those kind of completions are not conducive to yards after the catch....

You hit a guy in stride, those are the plays that gain yardage.....

We all wanted SS to be a vet from the opening gate.....it hasn't happened....but at least you see a play here and there, that shows the talent.....it's just a matter of getting on the same page with Eli, and being more consistent....

But Eli does need that big possession WR, a Nicks Type, that he has confidence in, that can go up and fight for the ball....he basically has "small" receivers....
Stupid time limit  
Doomster : 10/25/2016 2:22 pm : link
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RE: I think it's fair to speculate  
giants#1 : 10/25/2016 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13190285 djm said:
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that the OL and overall passing scheme MIGHT be holding back the WR's yac abilities just a bit. Just a theory not saying anything is definitive. People have been comparing this Cruz to 2011 but ins't it possible that the 11 offense afforded the WRs better yac opportunities? That passing scheme back then was much more elaborate and aggressively went downfield much more than today's. The passing lanes were wider.

I like our WRs, especially Shepard. HE's a long term solution. In the off-season i'd like to see the Giants bring in a bigger target at WR or TE.


Unless they want to bring back the Black Unicorn, it's slim pickings in the TE FA market.
Yes  
hassan : 10/25/2016 2:48 pm : link
Doomster. Eli likes to throw to big receivers that can post up and can catch with coverage. This is missing entirely from Giant offense.

His short to intermediate accuracy is not very good (ironically more accurate downfield), so I'd agree with the yac.

Quite frankly Eli's really not a good fit for a pure wco. We worried if this was the right offense for him a few years ago but he had two very good years. But the move to a more straight up wco is now exposing his lack of fit for this type of scheme to some degree.

Mcadoo can adjust this of course.

I'd sign  
hassan : 10/25/2016 2:49 pm : link
The black unicorn in a minute. If the money situation works out. They need a te threat badly.
We are not signing  
PaulN : 10/25/2016 3:16 pm : link
The Black Unicorn, this GM loves Larry Donnell, he has size and speed, which is all this GM has the ability to evaluate, forget that he sucks, he is his pick and we will die with him, also the same can be said about Flowers, with the 11th pick he will never admit he fucked up royally. Even first and second round picks Pugh and Richburg are grossly over rated by BBI, they are average players, but BBI has Reese at genius for picking them. Poor Oline, horrible TE, no FB and we have a discussion on Sterling Shepherd, like is has anything to do with the problems of this team.
shepards problem seems to be  
Jersey55 : 10/25/2016 5:04 pm : link
that Eli always looks at Beckham first and by that time Shepard has already made his move and there isn't much left for Eli except to look to dump it off.
The Giants are not running any more of a pure WCO than what  
Devon : 10/25/2016 5:18 pm : link
they ran last year.

They aren't attacking the same way, for various reasons, but the system hasn't changed.
RE: He is not a Wideout, he is a a slot guy.....  
section125 : 10/25/2016 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13190696 Doomster said:
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Part of the problem is Eli....on a lot of Eli's completions, guys are diving for the ball, leaping for the ball, or reaching back for the ball.....those kind of completions are not conducive to yards after the catch....

You hit a guy in stride, those are the plays that gain yardage.....

We all wanted SS to be a vet from the opening gate.....it hasn't happened....but at least you see a play here and there, that shows the talent.....it's just a matter of getting on the same page with Eli, and being more consistent....

But Eli does need that big possession WR, a Nicks Type, that he has confidence in, that can go up and fight for the ball....he basically has "small" receivers....


I think Cruz is taller than Nicks. Nicks is the bigger body by a few pounds - stockier, but think Nicks was 5'11 and VC is 6'00.
Section  
hassan : 10/25/2016 9:28 pm : link
Nicks was 6 1.5 and outweighed Cruz by 25 pounds. Also had long limbs which gave him catching radius of most 6 ft 3 receivers.
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