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Another anemic performance from his offense — even in a victory — has Giants coach Ben McAdoo mulling changes that might start with McAdoo himself. The first-year Big Blue boss said Monday he will think about surrendering the play-calling duties after the Giants’ season-long struggle to find the end zone continued unabated Sunday in a 17-10 victory over the Rams in London. |
Fix those things and the offense will improve
King, yes - he has been
Fix those things and the offense will improve
This is a smart move though. First he likely worked on the group executing better. Now he's going to see if it's the play calling. Next, they will determine if it's the personel.
It's going towards the direction of conclusion. At least he's not just gong with the status quo (or at least thinking about it).
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to anyone who has watched closely to the sidelines for all 7 games.... has McAdoo been the guy calling the plays the whole season???
King, yes - he has been
Thanks! that's really odd.. you would think that if he did one thing well this year it would be what was most familiar to him which would be play calling. It seams as though this is one of the side effects of him carrying more on his plate than he is accustomed to. Things that he normally excelled in are now being affected because he has had less time to focus on them.
One of the rare times we showed guile schematically in the run game - line Donnell up on the right and run to the weak side, behind Flowers. EF easily pushes his man inside - the key block at the POA - that creates the alley where it's supposed to be.
We've got this huge, badass run blocking OT who struggles in pass pro. We have a 1st round pick at LG and a 2nd rounder at C.
You'd think we'd build our offense around a left-handed running game. Seems like a pretty good place to start. But we see none of it. That is scary.
If there's a downside risk, it might be communication problems from having more cooks in the kitchen. That could mean the return of delay-of-game penalities and DEs teeing off on Eli as the play clock runs down; those issues haven't been as evident this year. If McAdoo does hand off playcalling duties, I hope he steps out of that realm completely - at least when the play clock is running.
My take from reading the transcript itself, is not that Mac sat around and went, 'Gee, maybe I'm the problem with the offense. Maybe it's *my* playcalling that is causing us to be ineffective and lose. Maybe I need to give it up."
No, it was something like, "over the bye week we are going to look at everything, top to bottom and try to fix what we need to fix and, get healthy which would go a long way toward fixing everything just by itself".
In response to a question saying does everything include himself and the offensive scheme, he said something like, "Sure. I'm going to look at me, and the scheme and the players. Figure out what (in the scheme) works and if something doesn't work, as well as who is performing or not performing, who should play more and who should play less..."
IOW, in responding to questions he said they are going to do a comprehensive analysis. I didn't get the impression that this was some broody introspective soliloquy of his failings as a head coach, play-caller, and human being.
You may have a point, but keep in mind that our primary ballcarrier hasn't been able to hold the ball in his left hand. All the guys behind him have had ball-security issues (which tend to be more pronounced when running left), and we haven't seen any of them carry enough to know whether they are as effective running in that direction. Many backs just aren't.
EVERY roster in the NFL has a decent pass catching TE and a big WR outside - except the Giants.
So much for the "McAdoo is purposely calling the same plays over and over again for repetition so the players learn them for a later date" theory.
It's pretty obvious he's in over his head at this point. Commendable that he realizes it. Let's get it fixed. I actually like McAdoo as our OC, time to call Tom.
EVERY roster in the NFL has a decent pass catching TE and a big WR outside - except the Giants.
Correct.
Anarchy, cats and dogs, dark forebodings and all that...
We'd be a playoff contender if we got Tom back, as of now we're probably one of the best teams to miss the payoffs, the elite of the mediocre.
If McAdoo gave up the playcalling, he might get his head out of the playsheet and a better feel for what's going on.
I don't think Sullivan can do worse, but the real problem is a lack of blocking. Any improvement in the O-line (probably not happening), at TE (possible) or FB (find one) would help.
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You can't attack a cover two with two free agent TE's that can't play. You can't attack a cover two with short passes off three step drops when the defense knows it is coming because OL can't sustain blocks.
EVERY roster in the NFL has a decent pass catching TE and a big WR outside - except the Giants.
Correct.
Agreed. And even with a FB or HB we would have more success methinks. It's like a perfect storm whenever a position gets hit by injury for the Giants. Was looking so forward to seeing Will Johnson in the offense. Gone. Whitlock hurt suspended, so no fall back there. Even Matt LaCosse gone to injury (he seemed like he might be the best blocking option of the TEs). Seems no one is even left on the couch as a big body to bring in off the street like a Chandler from NE (I think he hurt his knee). It sucks.
It just seems a like a tall order.
This could be an advantage for the Giants.
One of the rare times we showed guile schematically in the run game - line Donnell up on the right and run to the weak side, behind Flowers. EF easily pushes his man inside - the key block at the POA - that creates the alley where it's supposed to be.
We've got this huge, badass run blocking OT who struggles in pass pro. We have a 1st round pick at LG and a 2nd rounder at C.
You'd think we'd build our offense around a left-handed running game. Seems like a pretty good place to start. But we see none of it. That is scary.
If you go to the bottom of the link, you'll see the Giants run off left end/left tackle 21% of the time. That's compared to runs off right end/tackle only 12% of the time (almost double). By far the bulk of their runs are up the middle (66%) as they should be since Pugh-Richburg-Jerry have been the strength of the OL.
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All else being equal, I would say probably not. But given the OC's ability to devote more attention to the task, it should make the playcalling a bit more creative and a bit less predictable.
If there's a downside risk, it might be communication problems from having more cooks in the kitchen. That could mean the return of delay-of-game penalities and DEs teeing off on Eli as the play clock runs down; those issues haven't been as evident this year. If McAdoo does hand off playcalling duties, I hope he steps out of that realm completely - at least when the play clock is running.
Good post and forgive my possible naivete, but isn't it to the point where Eli says to his coordinator, QB coach, HC, this is what I'm most effective with, this is what I'd like to run, etc., etc?
Not well, and the only reason he is here, well Coughlin
brought him back. As a first year HC, Mac couldn't
get rid of all the assistants he most likely wanted to.
I hope that changes next year, Sullivan and Gilbride, Jr. come to mind.
Gilbride, Jr. is no improvement over Pope (now in Dallas).
The tight ends don't develop around here, time for Donnell
to sit on the bench. I don't how much rope you can give
a player like that? At some point, enough is enough.
or the 3rd quarter (I forget?), and coming off the sidelines
on a change of possession and....throw a lateral to Bobby
Friggin Rainey on first down. WTF kind of playcalling is that?
They tried that with Beckham too earlier, and lost about
6 yards. This offense cannot play 'behind the sticks'.
It is that simple, that includes holding calls, etc.
No.imho..could be worse
or the 3rd quarter (I forget?), and coming off the sidelines
on a change of possession and....throw a lateral to Bobby
Friggin Rainey on first down. WTF kind of playcalling is that?
They tried that with Beckham too earlier, and lost about
6 yards. This offense cannot play 'behind the sticks'.
It is that simple, that includes holding calls, etc.
It looked to me as though Eli simply didn't take a deep enough drop and hence the lateral. My guess is it wasn't by design. Eli just didn't take it deep enough. No way of knowing. Was he asked about it?
If McAdoo gave up the playcalling, he might get his head out of the playsheet and a better feel for what's going on.
I don't think Sullivan can do worse, but the real problem is a lack of blocking. Any improvement in the O-line (probably not happening), at TE (possible) or FB (find one) would help.
IMO there seems to be a misconception of what entitles "changing the play". Now I will be the first to admit I have no idea how much leeway he has. But with the limited time given at the line, you would have to believe that outside of a hot route or changing to a run his options are pretty limited.
IE: The play comes in as a screen, to now change that into a completely different pass play would require audibles for blocking scheme, WR set, and outlet options, while at the same time identifying blitzes, coverages, and the key defender. I could easily be wrong about this but I don't see how
Their runs are also predictable, not only what running plays they run but when. Maybe it's just me but it sure seems like they've run on 1st down every first possession after halftime.
They need to change their tendencies,IMO. They're having enough trouble running and getting open. They sure don't need to give D's the advantage of knowing what's coming.
over matched in size and strength .
Richberg gets Zero Push . Pugh can neutralize his guy but
it's not like he turns and pancakes anyone .
Jerry seems to move ok but there is never or rarely
a gaping hole . Flowers has the potential to be a great
run blocker but LT I don't think so .
Need to big bodies on the right side of the line that
have the size and power to move the line of scrimmage .
With Flowers he doesn't get much help with a decent
TE to help with speed rushers .
For example, was on the phone with my cousin for a while as we watched the Rams game. During a possession we had down near our 20 to start a drive, once I saw the formation, I called out a play to him, each time; it WAS the play each time. No audible by Eli...3 and OUT. Truly if I can recognize the play, a good DC, probably the MLB can call the D.Obviously 3 straight is a freak series, but it shows how easy it has been to predict the play.
Example:Beckham in the backfield, swing out wide...I do not recall a pump fake off of it and throwing deep, or over the slot quickly , or to the right as D will react to OBJs direction, ever.....we need to keep Ds honest.
We've generally IDd the playcalling as vanilla, when possibly just running a fake off a play may make the calling at least SEEM better, while keeping Ds guessing some.
That said, McAdoo is only part of the problem. Eli has to play better, the running game design is a complete failure, the offense is so predictable, and the Giants need a better weapon outside that is a more formidable deep threat to draw coverage away from OBJ and the middle of the field. Cruz is not that kind of player.
Sure, they could use a better TE. Sure, the OL can play better (but they are not a liability on this team as some have suggested, they are mostly playing pretty well). But from my eyes, it's scheme (particularly in the run game), Eli's performance, play calling, and lack of a deep threat to complement OBJ... pretty much in that order.
That said, McAdoo is only part of the problem. Eli has to play better, the running game design is a complete failure, the offense is so predictable, and the Giants need a better weapon outside that is a more formidable deep threat to draw coverage away from OBJ and the middle of the field. Cruz is not that kind of player.
Sure, they could use a better TE. Sure, the OL can play better (but they are not a liability on this team as some have suggested, they are mostly playing pretty well). But from my eyes, it's scheme (particularly in the run game), Eli's performance, play calling, and lack of a deep threat to complement OBJ... pretty much in that order.
EVERY roster in the NFL has a decent pass catching TE and a big WR outside - except the Giants.
Tye can catch the football and he can run with it. Just eliminate Donnell from the field and let Tye be the TE and start getting Adams involved. Adams looks like he can move and catch.
What is a big WR? 6'2", 6'5"? We had one, he sucked.
He did it throughout pre-season (not give a straight answer) and he's doing it again now that he's being asked.
In every game I see at least two or three running plays where the entire line has collapsed into a pile and guess where the running back goes? The defense never holds their positions against the Giants, they all move the direction of the running play because no one cuts back toward the opening or open side of the field.
What was successful by the offense this preseason?