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Beezer : 10/25/2016 10:13 am
Had it rough last night dealing with a teen daughter whose emotions are all over the map. Hell, last night? Last year or so. Just occasional flare-ups, but man, when they happen. Damn.

Dropped her off at school. There was no talking in the car on the way. Then she just ... got out. Nothing. Trying to relax, stay calm, not let that bother me, but WOW, kids know how to hurt you. lol

Anyhow, I get to work and no fewer than 3 co-workers are talking about their nightmares at home. Coincidentally, they all have boys.

The one guy told his story: today is his youngest son's birthday (turns 14). His wife got up early to make a nice birthday breakfast. They eat, it's nice, and afterward the older son (almost 16) reaches across the table and snags his brother's phone, on which he'd been text away on (at 6:30 a.m.). No words spoken, the younger brother launched himself across the kitchen table and tackled the older brother back and out of the chair. They landed in a pile and THEN the mayhem was under way. The Dad said the worst part was that he wife was VERY upset by it all (he was laughing, but was also clearly still pissed off).

Next story up: Mom of 4 (yes 4) boys, the oldest being in 3rd grade. She's a country girl, and she and her husband are old-school. Basically, a policy of "you've got a problem with each other? deal with it and don't bother me or your father with your trivial crap" in their home. (Probably needed with 4 young boys.) She says last night she and her sons were visiting her mother's house, where a cousin (boy) was also visiting. Apparently a skirmish broke out and the 4-year-old cousin bit her eldest son on the back. That boy had been warned (over the weekend, by the grandmother) NOT to "deal with it" but instead to report the wrongdoing. So being a good kid, he went to his mother. Meanwhile, the gfrandmother is asking, and asking, and asking the young cousin why he bit the other kid. The grandmother couldn't get an answer so ... she made the young cousin kneel and "pray on why you were compelled to bite your cousin in the back." My co-worker said she asked her mother "what the hell you're doing," then took the young cousin (her nephew) into another room and "beat the hell out of him" (she said that meant spanking, for the biting) and told him the next time he bites his older cousin, she'll allow him to beat the hell out of him too.

Third co-worker is siting there, shaking his head, grinning. He's got three boys, ages 12, 9 and 6. He talked in general about the daily mayhem and how when they recently bought their new house, a requirement was a basement rec room sort of place where they could basically throw the boys and all their stuff and let them have at it. He then got his phone out and shared with us a brief video of his 3 sons basically beating the shit out of each other, with him laughing in the background while videotaping.

That guy, from a big family himself, laughed when he counted on 2 fingers the number of years I have "until she's at college," he said, referring to my daughter.

My son is a freshman in college and away at school for the first semester. I miss him. He was relatively easy, and being 18, while he and I have always been close, it's starting to feel a slight bit more like we're becoming friends, too. Of couirse, I still give him shit when I think he needs to hear it, but ... so much more smooth than with this girl of mine.

It's a struggle, man! You love your children, but there are moments in a day when you're just trying to get through, peace intact, and especially when you are suddenly outnumbered in the house (2 fenmales v. ME!).

Yes, this thread is a form of therapy. After work, my wife has a college class tonight, and after my daughter's swim practice, it's just me and her for nearly 4 hours. I'm thinking maybe a pizza ... possibly some scotch (lol) ... and almost certainly a retreat down into our basement with the big-screen, a nice recliner and a fluffy blanket. I'm fragile, dammit!

Pray for me.

:)

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I have a 2.5 year old and 4 month old boys  
Dave in PA : 10/25/2016 12:19 pm : link
Caring for the baby is definitely easier the second time around, but holy smokes whatever personal time I used to have has evaporated. The 2 year old is super sweet but he goes through "terrible twos" tantrums almost daily now. All in all being a parent of very young kids has been a lot of fun and I couldn't imagine loving anything more than these kids
you lose  
dorgan : 10/25/2016 12:23 pm : link
them for a while, but if you've done your job right, they come back to you.
Hang in there. I thought my wife would kill both my girls but now they are her best friends and they both call me 2-3 times a week for advice.

Amazing how much smarter I've become since they were teens!
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.  
NorwoodWideRight : 10/25/2016 12:27 pm : link
I have 3 kids. My oldest is 22, and still lives with us while he goes to college. My boy-girl twins just turned 15 a couple of months ago. Aside from not getting along with each other on most occasions, they're what I'd consider perfect kids -- polite, respectful, helpful. My daughter has no interest in guys and is a total Daddy's girl. My son volunteers for the local fire company, at the library and at a local thrift store.

I know that this can all go to shit any minute, but I'm riding high while I can.
RE: RE: Quality of life  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13190452 lawguy9801 said:
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In comment 13190234 Old Dirty Beckham said:


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Has to be better without kids. Travel. Work less. More money. Easier to retire. People work their entire lives just to spend their money on someone else.



Holy tone deaf, Batman...

I'll bet you're glad your parents didn't think that way!


And the rest of us are sadly disappointed that they didn't.
3 Teenage sons.  
x meadowlander : 10/25/2016 12:40 pm : link
Happily - bizarrely and unexpectedly - they get along really, really well - all 3 combinations of boys get along extremely well with each other - and with my wife and I.

Serious arguments are rare - and are almost ALWAYS fueled by a lack of sleep.

When they were in their Elementary School years, fighting was more common, but they grew out of it as they matured.

Lucky me, I guess!
I love kids  
WideRight : 10/25/2016 12:56 pm : link
With all the imperfections noted above, I'd still much rather hang with them than most adults,
RE: RE: Quality of life  
BMac : 10/25/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13190236 jlukes said:
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In comment 13190234 Old Dirty Beckham said:


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Has to be better without kids. Travel. Work less. More money. Easier to retire. People work their entire lives just to spend their money on someone else.



Yes - the world would be a better place if nobody had kids...


To a certain extent, you're quite correct.
I have 12.5  
Rick5 : 10/25/2016 12:58 pm : link
year old twins - boy and girl. My son is rarely a problem; he's a pretty mellow kid. My daughter can be "difficult" at times, but most of time it is fine.
Starting to see the light  
Eli Wilson : 10/25/2016 1:04 pm : link
Oldest boy is a sophomore in college. When we dropped him last year he was a punk, through and through. Good kid until about his senior year in HS. He came back this summer a mostly changed kid. Still a little immature, but way better. We're nearing the point of friendship and should get there by the time he's done with college. It was nice hanging out with him this weekend when he was home. We watched football on Sunday from 9AM until he left to head back to school around 6:00. He's transferring to a school closer to home in the Spring. Will be nice to be able to catch some of his baseball games in person.

Older daughter is a freshman in college. Complete emotional mess the last couple years. Seems like she enjoys hurting people emotionally, but then is apologetic shortly thereafter, once she thinks about it. Hoping we get a similar turnaround like we did with our son. Her and I did facetime during the Walking Dead premier Sunday night and it was nice to hang out. She's always been my movie and TV buddy. I think she's getting there.

Younger daughter, a junior in HS, is now the only child at home and loving it. My wife and I call her the gift God gave us because of the other two. Pretty much a perfect kid. Well behaved, good student, has no interest in partying or boys, athlete, dancer and is about to publish her first book. Plus I've turned her into a fellow Star Wars fanatic. She's also become a much bigger Giants fan this year since she's watched all the games with me. That's not easy for her considering my wife is a Patriots fan. Part of me hopes she doesn't go away for college, but I know that's what's best for her.

In my life...  
Maryland Giant : 10/25/2016 1:10 pm : link
...there has been nothing like the joy, pride, gratification, meaning, and inspiration of raising my 3 kids. Raising them to be thoughtful, curious, respectful, and service-oriented has easily been the greatest and most important accomplishment of my life.

They are 18, 16, and 14 now and it is rewarding and fulfilling to watch each of them explore their different interests and accomplishments.

But as they get older, and my wife and I see our role slowly changing---and yes, shrinking---it is more than a bit melancholic to look back that the last 18 years and recognize a few regrets, a few opportunities lost, a few adventures never taken.

Moreover, in retrospect, I think the best I have ever felt as a man still goes back to the days when my kids were younger. It's then that all the possibilities are out there, when your parenting and love can have the most impact, and when the simple pleasures of watching your son play with his Lego's, taking your daughter to art camp, or going on a weekend getaway with your family are a daily occurrence.

I miss my kids being young, and I am having a lot of fun with them as teenagers. There is nothing better for me than having been able to take on the role of parent.
if I could do it over again  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 1:15 pm : link
we should have spaced the kids out more. The boy is 8, the girl is 6, and they fight CONSTANTLY. Really, it's my son's only flaw! heh....he's a kind, generous, hard-working boy. Always looking for ways to help others, gets excellent grades in school, generally very well behaved. However, he is a world-class ace at baiting his sister. Not that it's hard to do, though, because she has a frightening temper that she loses at the drop of a hat. 99% of their fights are him bugging her intentionally, and then her erupting on him, frequently in a really nasty way.

I love her for how strong-willed and independent she is, but there's a flip side to that. She's stubborn as a mule and she has a definite mean streak to her. The weird thing is that she's practically a saint at school. We happened to run into her kindergarten teacher at a burger joint one weekend. She had one of her meltdowns in there, and her teacher's eyes were bugging out of her head. She'd never seen my daughter act that way, and it was not in any way an unusual incident.

I do feel hopeful that her attitude will help keep her from getting in trouble by going along with the crowd, which is totally what I fear with my son. He's sensitive, and wants everyone to like him, so I can totally see him being taken advantage of by other kids. There isn't anyone who can talk Faith into doing something she doesn't want to do, though.
I have a son  
Giants Fan Len : 10/25/2016 1:24 pm : link
who is 16, and a sophomore in HS. Very lucky because he is, for the most part a great kid. Of course he can get a little mouthy sometimes, but overall no worse than any other teenager. So, one of the biggest issues I have is how hard he is on himself when it comes to school. He has 3 honors classes, and pre-AP US History. But he puts so much pressure on himself to get straight A's every marking period. the first marking period last year I had to practically talk him off the ledge because he had a 3.975 GPA and he wanted a 4.0. He is also vey involved with the theater and choir in school, and peer leadership, Student Council, he is on the leadership committee at our Church's Youth group, and also finds time to help feed the homeless in Newark with our church. I just worry that he is going to overload himself, and that he will burn out.

The funny thing is, he still enjoys hanging out with the old man sometimes. He just told me he hopes we can go see Roger Waters in September. His first concert was Roger Waters doing The Wall at Yankee Stadium 4 years or so ago. And still at least once a month on a Friday or Saturday night he will look at me and say, Father/Son night tonight? Which means dinner and a movie. I feel really grateful for this and also about something he said to us about 3 months ago, we were eating dinner and he said, "I want you guys to know that I never realized how lucky I am to have parents that I can talk to about anything" so my wife said, don't most of your friends have that kind of relationship with their parents? He looked at us like we had two heads each, and informed us that most of his friends rarely eat dinner as a family let alone feel comfortable talking about their lives with their parents. And told us he knows that whatever problem he has, even if he did something wrong or was in some kind of trouble that he knows he can come to us and we would be there for him. I have never felt so accomplished as a parent as I did at that moment. I know there is still some time to go before we declare victory, but I think we are on the right path.

It means so much to me because I didn't have a relationship like that with my dad. He was just way more concerned with himself and his own happiness than he was with me or my mom. They split up when I was a kid because he had fidelity problems and had a kid with anther woman. So, I just spend as much time with Nick (my son) as I can and hope he stays on the right path. The one annoying thing is, I was a slob at his age, he is 10x worse than I ever was. It drives my wife crazy.

I really enjoyed this thread talking about our kids and the realtionships we have with them.

RE: Starting to see the light  
Giants Fan Len : 10/25/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13190574 Eli Wilson said:
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Oldest boy is a sophomore in college. When we dropped him last year he was a punk, through and through. Good kid until about his senior year in HS. He came back this summer a mostly changed kid. Still a little immature, but way better. We're nearing the point of friendship and should get there by the time he's done with college. It was nice hanging out with him this weekend when he was home. We watched football on Sunday from 9AM until he left to head back to school around 6:00. He's transferring to a school closer to home in the Spring. Will be nice to be able to catch some of his baseball games in person.

Older daughter is a freshman in college. Complete emotional mess the last couple years. Seems like she enjoys hurting people emotionally, but then is apologetic shortly thereafter, once she thinks about it. Hoping we get a similar turnaround like we did with our son. Her and I did facetime during the Walking Dead premier Sunday night and it was nice to hang out. She's always been my movie and TV buddy. I think she's getting there.

Younger daughter, a junior in HS, is now the only child at home and loving it. My wife and I call her the gift God gave us because of the other two. Pretty much a perfect kid. Well behaved, good student, has no interest in partying or boys, athlete, dancer and is about to publish her first book. Plus I've turned her into a fellow Star Wars fanatic. She's also become a much bigger Giants fan this year since she's watched all the games with me. That's not easy for her considering my wife is a Patriots fan. Part of me hopes she doesn't go away for college, but I know that's what's best for her.


That is so true, I always say that the thing I am best at, is being a dad. And the most rewarding too.
we've been debating how much time  
UConn4523 : 10/25/2016 1:32 pm : link
we want in between kids (assuming he can and do have a 2nd). Me and my sister are 4.5 years, same with my wife and her sister. You can make the argument that closeness in age means they will be closer and that you will get all the baby stuff out of the way sooner, but I'm not sure I want to go through all of that at the same time.

I definitely was not close with my sister growing up, but now we are really close. We were both very much independent which grew us up a lot quicker than some of our friends. No idea if that's good or bad, but something I've been thinking about.

I think we will probably meet in the middle and do a 3-ish year gap. I can't imagine trying to have another kid right now and that's purely for financial reasons. We don't make enough for 2 kids a daycare in our area but we make enough where 1 of us staying home and dropping the career isn't an option.
Called "growing stages"  
montanagiant : 10/25/2016 1:33 pm : link
My 21 yr old Daughter went through a year of being like that then came right around. She calls home every day from College and is all about family.

The hardest thing for me though was the 6 yr period we went through w/ my20 yr old son. Tough thing for a dad to have his son who always shared things and talked, go 180 and become this "I can't show any emotion or open up because its not cool" kid. He is a real good athlete and that led to him being around older kids when I think he was not emotionally ready for it. Nice thing is though he is in his second year at college, and has fully come back around.
my sister and I are 8 years apart  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 1:38 pm : link
I think we're pretty close considering the age gap and the fact that we're very different kinds of people. Now that she's in her 30s, I think I can finally accept that she's an adult :) I took care of her quite a bit when she was a little kid - my parents stopped hiring babysitters when she was 3 and I was 11 because I did most of the work anyway. As a result, I was always somewhat paternalistic in attitude towards her, which bothered her as she grew into her late teens.
Both my daughters were tough  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/25/2016 1:43 pm : link
but you get a lot smarter and they appreciate you more as they get older - just remember to set an example in the way you treat her that you would like all of the other men on her life to treat her -- you have to lead the way and show her you love her and that you will always be there for her

Wait until they have grandchildens -- that's the bomb!!!!
RE: We are not in this together  
RC02XX : 10/25/2016 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13190300 pjcas18 said:
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you created this by being a shitty parent, don't expect us to bail you out.


Pretty much all you need to say to Beezer...

And we're not in this together in any form...I wouldn't let any of you motherf'ers or your spawns get within 10 miles of influencing my kids.

Greg..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/25/2016 1:49 pm : link
we are very similar. My kids are 16 and 14, and while they fought when they were 8 and 6, they now are good friends and they haven't gotten into it in a long time. Some general snarkiness of course, but no physical brother-sister crap.

And my sister is 7 years younger than me and I'm definitely closer to my wife's sister's who are 2 and 4 years younger. While the 7 year gap gave me a sibling I've never really fought with, it also gave me a sister who is somewhat of a stranger in that a close sibling relationship has never happened. We are good friends, but I wouldn't say we are close. We text a few times a month, but she's in Manhattan and I'm in the sticks.
I probably wouldn't be as close to my sister  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 1:59 pm : link
if we hadn't moved back to Virginia. I literally live right down the street from her, maybe a half mile away. The whole family usually has Sunday dinner at my mom's house at least twice a month, so I do see her regularly there too, but it's been years since we really talked about things on a regular basis. Up until recently, we led very different lives as she and her husband led the carefree life of the childless couple while our lives, of course, revolve around soccer practice and tae kwon do and Cub Scouts. Now that they have a baby of their own, maybe we'll have more in common.
I come at it from a different angle.  
Matt M. : 10/25/2016 2:28 pm : link
All 3 of my kids now have IEPs with some sort of special needs. They are 2 boys (12 and 7) and a girl (4). My oldest is extremely bright (like among the top few in his class), but is emotionally stunted. Away from school, he shows little desire to spend any time with kids his age. He is perfectly content to play with his brother and watch shows more suited for the 2 little ones. That can have some pros, but we would like to see him spend a little more time with kids his age.

For my two boys, they have sensory processing disorders common among children on the autistic spectrum. While neither is diagnosed with Asperger's, both display behaviors and traits common among children who are on the spectrum (aversions to sensory inputs, weak fine motor skills, slightly weak gross motor skills, anxiety, difficulty in some social settings, etc.). It makes them each very difficult to deal with at times (violent tantrums, excessive screaming that lasts a long time, severe oppositional behavior, trouble self-regulating, trouble focusing, possible auditory processing disorders, etc.). Outside the home, they each have trouble finding their voice to advocate for themselves, which leads to other problems.

My daughter is now starting to display some of the sensory issues, like extreme aversion to noise and smells. She was recently evaluated and approved for speech therapy and some OT for some of the same motor skills. However, she is the one that is much better at using her voice and sticking up for herself. Oddly, I think I will have to worry about my daughter the least later in life.
Being a dad is the best job I've ever had  
Mike in Philly : 10/25/2016 2:33 pm : link
My son is 23 and lives at home. We have always been close as i was always involved with whatever activity he chose whether it was soccer coach, driving him to fencing lessons, or cub scout/boy scout leader. I always made sure he knew he could talk to me when he had a problem, even if it was with me. I felt my parenting was done when he first went off to college as was now on his own and had to make his own decisions - and live with the consequences. Now, my job is more of a mentor, trying to help guide him through life's trials.

As close as we have always been, losing my wife earlier this year has brought us that much closer. I truly cannot imagine my life without him. He has grown into a man I am very proud, and i don't miss an opportunity to tell him.

Beez, i can't offer any advice on raising a daughter, but as long as you are there when she needs you, and you let her know how much you care regardless of a decision might make you don't agree with, i can't imagine your relationship would suffer for it.

Jesus ...  
Beezer : 10/25/2016 2:38 pm : link

When did Ronnie become a strident, cocksucking douchebag?

Used to think he was a good dude.
What i wanted to add  
Matt M. : 10/25/2016 2:39 pm : link
is that we feel very isolated as parents for a variety of reasons. First, we actually discipline our children way more than anyone in our area. If you've heard the term "Park Slope Parents" in NYC, that is who we are amongst. It is the whole mindset of not being "negative". However, they don't seem to understand that it is OK to say, "No" to children or to discipline them when they do something wrong. Thankfully, my oldest seems to gravitate to other nice children, a lot of kids in our area are about the most disrespectful I've seen. What I see is not out of malicious intent, but rather no clue how to behave appropriately when speaking to adults, for example.

But, besides the basic fundamental differences, we are the only ones amongst our close friends who have children with IEPs/special needs. It is difficult explaining to others what we experience and go through on a regular basis. When detailing an isolated incident, a lot of people brush it off as "that's boys" or "that's a 6 year old" or "he's becoming an adolescent". But, what they aren't getting is the tantrums, screaming, sensory overload, etc. are every day, last for extended periods, can derail the best laid plans, etc.

The most difficult part for us navigating when they need firmness or a rigid regimen versus when they simply need help calming their bodies. It is extremely difficult and constantly leaves us feeling as if we are failing them.
My two are almost 3.5 years apart...  
RC02XX : 10/25/2016 2:42 pm : link
with my daughter being five and my son turning two a few days ago. Right now it's a painful process since all my son wants to do is to play with his sister and all she wants to do is to avoid him. It also doesn't help that they have polar opposite personalities. However, when they do play and my daughter is showing him how to properly do things, it's pretty awesome.

We decided that 3.5 is about perfect when it comes to age difference since it gave us enough time with our daughter alone and now gives us time with our son alone while our daughter is in school. With us planning for potential third one, we'll most likely stick with about 3.5 years of age difference.
RE: Jesus ...  
RC02XX : 10/25/2016 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13190760 Beezer said:
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When did Ronnie become a strident, cocksucking douchebag?

Used to think he was a good dude.


That was your first mistake...ever thinking I was a good dude. I've always been a strident douchebag...the whole cocksucking douchebag portion is relatveily new though...:)
Fun update this afternoon ...  
Beezer : 10/25/2016 2:45 pm : link

So, I texted my daughter. Couple things about her swim team to update her on.

1. I turned in the poster I made for her (all the parents were asked by the coach to make a poster for their girl so they could hang them around the pool heading into sectional taper, etc). I made the poster myself. Most of the other kids' moms made theirs. One girl said her parents made her make her own poster. Not saying I'm perfect, or the poster is, either, but I felt pretty good about it.

2. Signed up (online team/parent signup program) for the pre-sectional prelim pasta party and chose to make a mozzarella chicken dinner for the group. Could have chosen to bring napkins or something on that level. But I like to cook, so ... did that.

And 3. Signed up for the breakfast/brunch the "day of" sectional finals to make a crock pot of chili (again, other options included napkins, or transporting leftovers to a family's house in the afternoon).

My daughter's text response: "OK."

+++

Queue up the Joe Pesci voice from Goodfellas ...

MOTHER FUCK ...

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Serenity now ... deep, cleansing breaths ... it's good to get this out of my system ... lol ...
Well, as far as my opinion of you, Ronald ...  
Beezer : 10/25/2016 2:46 pm : link

... I'm choosing the positive today. So ... I'll try to stick with a better image and assume you're just having a shit day, or week.

I've seen good things.
I don't know if there is a perfect age difference  
pjcas18 : 10/25/2016 2:47 pm : link
my sister is 18 months older than me, brother 4.5 years younger. I don't think my mother was any worse off for it or better off for it. She did have 3 kids under 6 which was probably a handful for a single mother.

My twins obviously same age, but they have a 5 year younger sibling. They seem to get along ok, but the twins do get sort of resentful of the baby-sitting responsibility we rarely impose on them.

I tried to squeeze those kids in as close as I could, but a couple miscarriages and some emotional scarring causing my wife not really eager to jump right back in and you take what god gives you (or at least I did) and I'm grateful for it.
RE: Well, as far as my opinion of you, Ronald ...  
RC02XX : 10/25/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13190783 Beezer said:
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... I'm choosing the positive today. So ... I'll try to stick with a better image and assume you're just having a shit day, or week.

I've seen good things.


Sorry...my attempt at snarky humor didn't work out in this thread full of group kumbayah.

I was totally not serious with my initial post...well, except for not wanting any of you guys or your spawns near my perfect children.
RE: Fun update this afternoon ...  
Matt M. : 10/25/2016 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13190780 Beezer said:
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So, I texted my daughter. Couple things about her swim team to update her on.

1. I turned in the poster I made for her (all the parents were asked by the coach to make a poster for their girl so they could hang them around the pool heading into sectional taper, etc). I made the poster myself. Most of the other kids' moms made theirs. One girl said her parents made her make her own poster. Not saying I'm perfect, or the poster is, either, but I felt pretty good about it.

2. Signed up (online team/parent signup program) for the pre-sectional prelim pasta party and chose to make a mozzarella chicken dinner for the group. Could have chosen to bring napkins or something on that level. But I like to cook, so ... did that.

And 3. Signed up for the breakfast/brunch the "day of" sectional finals to make a crock pot of chili (again, other options included napkins, or transporting leftovers to a family's house in the afternoon).

My daughter's text response: "OK."

+++

Queue up the Joe Pesci voice from Goodfellas ...

MOTHER FUCK ...

+++

Serenity now ... deep, cleansing breaths ... it's good to get this out of my system ... lol ...
Beezer - Kudos to you for being so active and involved. Did your daughter like/appreciate the poster you made? If this is too personal, please let me know, but is there a Mrs. Beezer?
RE: Twins teenage daughters. Holy shit.  
charlito : 10/25/2016 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13190308 Beezer said:
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I take back every bad thing I ever said about you.

:)


+1
RE: Jesus ...  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13190760 Beezer said:
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When did Ronnie become a strident, cocksucking douchebag?


Never met a Marine officer before, I take it?
RE: What i wanted to add  
Matt M. : 10/25/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13190761 Matt M. said:
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is that we feel very isolated as parents for a variety of reasons. First, we actually discipline our children way more than anyone in our area. If you've heard the term "Park Slope Parents" in NYC, that is who we are amongst. It is the whole mindset of not being "negative". However, they don't seem to understand that it is OK to say, "No" to children or to discipline them when they do something wrong. Thankfully, my oldest seems to gravitate to other nice children, a lot of kids in our area are about the most disrespectful I've seen. What I see is not out of malicious intent, but rather no clue how to behave appropriately when speaking to adults, for example.

But, besides the basic fundamental differences, we are the only ones amongst our close friends who have children with IEPs/special needs. It is difficult explaining to others what we experience and go through on a regular basis. When detailing an isolated incident, a lot of people brush it off as "that's boys" or "that's a 6 year old" or "he's becoming an adolescent". But, what they aren't getting is the tantrums, screaming, sensory overload, etc. are every day, last for extended periods, can derail the best laid plans, etc.

The most difficult part for us navigating when they need firmness or a rigid regimen versus when they simply need help calming their bodies. It is extremely difficult and constantly leaves us feeling as if we are failing them.
Another thing is on us...always feeling on edge in public. We are waiting for the next public tantrum and then get embarrassed when it happens. The focus has to be more on the kids, than on what some nosy fuck thinks.

But, we recently had a positive experience at our niece's wedding. My wife's cousin, the next morning, came over to compliment us on not just the kids' behavior, but the way we parent them. She went on and on with detail about how attentive we are and how we raise them, etc. The way she was speaking, I got very choked up. It meant a lot to hear; more than I would have ever thought.
Patience  
VTDAD : 10/25/2016 2:56 pm : link
Parenting has its ups and downs... times of heartbreak and joy.

Try to roll with the punches and live for the moment.... it is over all so fast.

We have two adult children and son-in-law who are just wonderful, lovable people, in spite of our mistakes and flaws.

Still waiting on the grandchildren, though :)
Matt, no worries.  
Beezer : 10/25/2016 2:59 pm : link

I don't post AS MUCH as I once did, but I've never had a problem posting about some personal stuff, to the chagrin of some BBIers. Ha! (Suck it, bitches.)

There is indeed a Mrs. Beez. A very, very busy Mrs. Beez who's working FT, starting a new iteration of her career while also taking a college class for the first time in many years for necessary certification. She's all over being involved with the kids ... I just happen to stay a little more immersed with their sports endeavors.

About my girl appreciating the poster ... she liked it at first, then went a little bit haywire when I told her I would be adding a couple photos of her (one swimming, one diving). The girl is gorgeous (we are frequently told) but of course, she thinks NO photo of her looks good (despite the non-stop selfie-taking) lol ... so she told me I could NOT use any photos.

I had all but ditched the idea, when yesterday morning she had a brand new emotional meltdown, pissed my wife off beyond the usual, and essentially manipulated a situation with my wife to the point that my wife called ME at work and bitched at ME so ...

Yeah. I went ahead with the photos.

Ahhhh, life's little pleasures.

:)
Beezer  
Matt M. : 10/25/2016 3:02 pm : link
Good luck. It sounds like you and your wife are both involved in her life and care a lot. Most often, that will result in a good outcome down the road. Teenage years can be difficult regardless of how good you are or she is. Keep up the good work.
Matt, that;'s huge to hear when your kids are very young.  
Beezer : 10/25/2016 3:03 pm : link

Couple years ago my wife and I were away for an anniversary weekend. Quaint little inn with a restaurant, and we were a little nervous to be seated for dinner right behind a couple (maybe in their early 30s) with two very little ones - toddlers, so they were capable of getting up and walking around if they decided to.

Anyhow, those kids were so awesome the entire time that we ended up sending a bottle of wine to the couple's room that night with a note complimenting their kids' behavior. Never saw them again, but I can imagine it's a story for them to tell over the years, which was the hope.

Nothing better than when people compkiment your kids ... even when you know they have moments playing the roles of the spawns of Satan!!!
I have 15 and 12 yr old girls  
PA Giant Fan : 10/25/2016 3:05 pm : link
Its awful. My 15 is a wonderful person except to her parents and sister. Unbelieveable empathy and great with little kids. She does ok in school with much monitoring.

But the drama and the disrespect and mouth I can't fathom. Its horrible. There are days where I want to punch her in the face and she would deserve it clearly.
my wife is convinced that I let our daughter get away with everything  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2016 3:39 pm : link
But then she's more indulgent of our son. She babies him too much.

With the little lady, she loses her patience so quickly. I'm not trying to indulge her tantrums, but yelling more only makes her scream and cry and slam things around more. The only way to get her to calm down is to talk to her and take her mind off of whatever it is that set her off.

just remember  
jintsjunkie : 10/25/2016 4:08 pm : link
from the standpoint of nature, procreation is the reason--the only reason--we all exist. nothing else matters. hopefully you and they will get through this. a kid raised well is the greatest reward life can offer.
What is also difficult to navigate is exactly how much to say  
Matt M. : 10/25/2016 4:18 pm : link
My kids are highly intelligent. Sometimes, I forget how young they are or what their special needs are, and I end up giving them a little too much information/words.
Things could be worst ...  
Beer Man : 10/25/2016 4:33 pm : link
I found a bag of weed in my 17-year old son's room yesterday. He see nothing wrong with what he did (probably still doing), and is pissed that his dad put a few hundred dollars of weed down the garbage disposal before he could lite the first bowl.
RE: RE: Well, as far as my opinion of you, Ronald ...  
BMac : 10/25/2016 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13190791 RC02XX said:
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In comment 13190783 Beezer said:


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... I'm choosing the positive today. So ... I'll try to stick with a better image and assume you're just having a shit day, or week.

I've seen good things.



Sorry...my attempt at snarky humor didn't work out in this thread full of group kumbayah.

I was totally not serious with my initial post...well, except for not wanting any of you guys or your spawns near my perfect children.


Hmmm...better keep your fire extinguisher handy there Beezer.
RE: Quality of life  
montanagiant : 10/25/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13190234 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Has to be better without kids. Travel. Work less. More money. Easier to retire. People work their entire lives just to spend their money on someone else.

Neutered fucks tend to think this way
RE: my wife is convinced that I let our daughter get away with everything  
montanagiant : 10/25/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13190890 Greg from LI said:
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But then she's more indulgent of our son. She babies him too much.

With the little lady, she loses her patience so quickly. I'm not trying to indulge her tantrums, but yelling more only makes her scream and cry and slam things around more. The only way to get her to calm down is to talk to her and take her mind off of whatever it is that set her off.

Same here regarding me babying the daughter, wife the son
RE: Fun update this afternoon ...  
Giants_ROK : 10/25/2016 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13190780 Beezer said:
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My daughter's text response: "OK."

+++

Queue up the Joe Pesci voice from Goodfellas ...

MOTHER FUCK ...

+++

Serenity now ... deep, cleansing breaths ... it's good to get this out of my system ... lol ...

You want your daughter to show her appreciation, right? Forget it. She's thinking of herself right now.

Your immediate reward is the satisfaction that you're doing everything you can do be a good father.

The appreciation comes much later when the examples you've set are seen in the adult your child has become.
Typos:  
Giants_ROK : 10/25/2016 7:20 pm : link
*of herself*

*to be a good father*
of herself  
Giants_ROK : 10/25/2016 7:21 pm : link
Good thing I was a better father than a typist.
I couldnt' sleep last night  
Matt M. : 10/26/2016 9:33 am : link
because I was haunted by the sight of my son's nervous, scared, and confused face at his annual IEP meeting. He is aware he has an IEP and actually expressed a desire to keep it through HS. His teachers want to remove the IEP, which left him confused and feeling manipulated. This was the first time he was ever asked to attend such a meeting. I am kicking myself for not saying something to have him removed after seeing his face.
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