Bye week offensive changes

but I don't like the Donnell red zone threat. How many times in the past did we see these "specialists" come in at various points in the game and knew where the ball was going?

I doubt they move him.

Adams hasn't played a ton, but he's played a fair amount mostly when Donnell was out. Coaches should have enough tape to at least see if he warrants a larger role (if he's just as poor blocking, why make a change?).

I'd like (and expect) to see Perkins get an increased role. He's looked better, in my non-expert opinion, than the other RBs, though Jennings certainly helps in pass protection (compare the last 2 games vs the 3 he missed). I'd have no problem giving Rainey's snaps to Perkins.

In comment 13190251 Rocky369 said:

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but I don't like the Donnell red zone threat. How many times in the past did we see these "specialists" come in at various points in the game and knew where the ball was going?

So? Let them double Donnell or shade the D that way. That means more space for Cruz/Shepard (obviously Ds aren't leaving Beckham for Donnell).

Though I doubt anyone's really worried about Donnell.

Beatty/Flowers wise, gives you just as big, if not bigger, a chance of the OL being worst at both positions than better.

comes at a great time. Scrappy but ugly win and we can reset the button a little bit. Drill down the gameplan for Philly and make a statement at home.

I for one think the OL should stay as is. Hart has been competent, and the more time they get together as a unit the better.

Beatty is ready to go, but even then, my guess is he plays RT, not left. I doubt they move Flowers. Richburg is as big a problem as Flower IMO. He's just not playing well. We might see more of Adams and Perkins, and maybe a little more of Lewis. But there won't be wholesale changes.

Flowers had a tremendously poor outing against Green Bay. Outside of that, he has been pretty good this season (a few ghost holding penalties aside). He's coming along. Everyone has shit games.

I agree 1000% with the Adams / Te move. don't like the OL move as much. Would rather make that Move with Flowers next year if he doesn't solidify his play from this point. also I want to see them give Perkins 10-12 touches per game. We need new dynamics installed into this offense. Other teams have been successful in integrating their rookies on the field in a productive way so should we... figure it out.

Until there is an injury, no changes can be made.

Moving Flowers out of the lineup or to RT is an experiment that can't be conducted at this time.

Beatty is the backup LT. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Newhouse may even be a better LT now than Beatty who hasn't played in almost 2 years.

What you cannot have is an o-line that can neither run block nor pass protect. We can live with one or the other, but without both we will only win games by way of big plays or turnover wins. This is unlikely to result in a playoff ticket.

So if you think that this is just about coming together, well maybe. I have nothing against Flowers as an LT, if he can actually play the position in the NFL, rather than just in a Giants scout's pipe dream. You can substitute Hart's name for Flower's in my comment.

...is Marshall Newhouse returning at RT. He was the starter until he got hurt, and neither Hart's performance nor Beatty's (completely unknown) progress would seem to have altered the depth chart.

With Solari taking over the OL, Hart had an opportunity to win the job in camp. He made such a great impression that Newhouse remained the starter and the Giants re-signed Will Beatty as a depth upgrade. It's somewhat encouraging that Hart got the nod over a rusty Beatty, but I don't see much evidence that either of them has surpassed Newhouse.

At RB, I would be inclined to stick with Jennings. I think he'll play with more confidence when he has two working hands. With Vereen out for at least another month, there's plenty for Perkins to do in that role, gradually replacing Rainey.

whether he's buried on the bench or the guy who gets cut, he absolutely cannot continue to have a prominent role on this offense. He's representative of everything that has plagued this team through the first 7 weeks (and truthfully every year since the last SB). Inconsistent blocking, catching, ball security, mental errors, and on and on. Give Adams and Tye opportunities. See if we can find a Hynoski or Hedgecock or Michael Matthews or even Bear Pascoe to maybe give the running game a shot in the arm. Need to try something different because Donnell is a walking mistake.

The player that last played 2 YEARS ago no longer exists. He's 31 and has had injury issues. He's been here how many weeks now? If the coaches thought he was one of the best 5 he would have been on the field by now. Newhouse back to RT is the logical move, but they have to get their big mouthed center straightened out.

This offense stinks. The numbers they put up because of Beckham the last 2 years has masked the fact that the play calling, formations used, personnel groupings are all too predictable. Its not all execution. Furthermore, Macadoo has taken a lot of his offense fundamentals from Green Bay. Was it the excellence of the offense there or a Hall of Fame level QB in Rogers? Fair question. If he really is the right head coach for this team, he will get his head out of his a** and stop putting round pegs in square holes (Donnell for example).

and for the record, I'm not impressed with Solari. Zone blocking hasn't worked wonders has it?

and don't think he should be moved. Let Beatty compete with Hart at RT, provide swing tackle depth, and line up as extra TE. Agree that Donnell's role should be reduced for all the reasons cited. Will Johnson's injury looms large at this point. McAdoo needs to rethink offensive philosophy, whether his plan is too predictable, especially in regards to run game, and maybe he should forego play calling.

There has to be some type of change with the line. We can't continue to run for less then 50 yards a game...we just can't. I went to the Bronco's game last night. First game ever and for some reason their O line (which looked small) handle their business and ran the ball up Houston's ass all night long. So I was sitting there saying how the hell can we only run for 50yds with 2 first rounder's and a 2nd??
Somehow--someway we have to figure this out. When someone above says Flowers has had 2 good games--WTF He doesn't move anyone and at best he protects Eli what 75% of the time!
Another issue could be our backs...the only one that hits the hole is Perkin's. The others seem twinkle toe into the ass's of our O line like they know the outcome before they even get the ball. It can't get any worse by changing this up.

needs help the problem is none of them are dominate .
Especially in the run game most are adequate in pass
protection except both tackles are below average .
With No Fullback and not a TE on the roster who can
block consistently or at all .
Then I think the best possible way is to switch
Flowers over to RT and let Beatty start providing
Newhouse is still not ready ...
Philly has good pass rushers across the board and add to
that one of the best DT in the game . Flowers has troubles
with speed rushers . If Beatty can hold the fort down on
the left side then maybe we can keep philly from totally
ignoring the run and just go after Eli .
Hopefully the play calling gets a long hard look and
gets Eli under Center rather than shotgun all the time
it should help disguise the play calls better .
Get LD off the field and let Adams take more snaps and
utilize him in the middle of field .
Not sure why Darqua got benched but rather see Perkins
at this point the problem is he isn't use to carrying
the full load yet so have to keep Jennings in and use
a two back set from time to time.

and Adams moved up to #2. I don't agree with some calling for Donnell to be cut. But, I would demote him to #3 at this point.

He is calling not to lose, as opposed to trying to win. This offense does not resemble anything we saw the previous two years, with far less weapons.

It's so obvious, it gets 3-4 more yards per carry than Jennings. He is bigger, stronger and younger too.

Eli has one more Super Bowl win in him if we can possibly keep him upright. We must protect him and give him a decent running game. I'd be willing to mortgage the future a bit and rely on some more free agent additions over the next few years.

I would love to have Joe Thomas. I know the coach said it wouldn't happen, but who knows what the GM thinks. At his age I wouldn't want a straight up trade, but I would offer our 2017 3rd and 5th round picks along with a 3 in 2018 if we could get Thomas and WR-Terrelle Pryor away from them.

Cruz and Shepard are both good slot guys and I do like the rest of the unit, but the tallest guy we have is King at 6-1... Eli has always done well throwing a big receiver open. I believe that he & Pryor (a former QB) could form a deadly red-zone tandem. He just recently committed to being a WR and at 27 he could really be turning into a great one.

I would like for the offense to go back to 2Wr sets with Odell & Pryor (when he's ready) starting. Beatty would start at LT until Thomas was ready to take over. Flowers would compete with Hart & Newhouse at RT. The back-up tackles and guards would be used in a variety of ways as extra blockers. Perkins and Adams should be starting from here on out unless we get really crazy and try to trade a couple of mid round picks to the ailing 49ers for TE-Vance McDonald and RB-Carlos Hyde. I might go this way as a package deal if we wanted to reunite Solari with T-Joe Staley instead of Thomas, just not my preference.

We need to see less of #91 on defense. I would cut him, bring back Jasper Brinkley, and hope that Goodson is about ready to get in there and take the job for good. It is just a matter of time until he does. Trading for a good MLB & FS would always be smart in my book.

...and last, but not least ( I know I'll get killed again for this one, but...) I would love to trade for Snacks' buddy, Jet DE/DT-Mohamed Wilkerson. The Jets play a 3-4 and can't afford to keep all of their DE's with Sheldon Richardson and Leonard Williams. They never got an offer during the draft because they wanted too much, but if we could secure him it would change this defense dramatically. Hankins and Bromley aren't much better at this point than Kuhn & Jenkins were last year. MW could start at RDT and sub. anywhere along the D-line. The guy is a beast. He's been banged up in that 3-4 without Snacks to take the double teams away. The two of the with JPP & Vernon in our 4-3 would be like a dream come true for the Giants and Wilkerson.

I know we won't make many if any trades, but with Eli turning 40 in a few years it would be great to take advantage of the little bit of time we have left with him. When he is gone we might have to wait another 20 or 30 years to get someone just as good.

I'm not sure I want to see Rainey replaced. I feel like he's been a plus.

I would like to see Perkins get an opportunity as the primary back. I feel like we know what Jennings is: a high floor/low ceiling guy that is a fine backup.

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I'm not sure I want to see Rainey replaced. I feel like he's been a plus. I would like to see Perkins get an opportunity as the primary back. I feel like we know what Jennings is: a high floor/low ceiling guy that is a fine backup.

Rainey makes me uneasy. He's a nice-looking player who seems to make too many costly mistakes for a veteran. Nonetheless, I have no strong conviction about whether Perkins's extra touches after the bye should come primarily from Jennings or Rainey. I think he will eat into both. Jennings is something of a fixture in the starting lineup until Perkins proves himself to the coaches in pass protection.

If the ground game picks up, there should be plenty of work to go around - with the proviso that they will all play less if/when Vereen returns.