NFT: Your New York Knicks open at Cleveland tonight!

Im not picking a win total this year due to injury risks and questions over the PGs.

I do think that KP will not get off as many shots as he should, but overall will have a season that leaves us speculating that he is a future MVP.

Get around 45 wins, factoring in Noah and Rose missing time. I like the bench a lot. LT, Jennings and I think KOQ steps up.

In comment 13190370 Deej said:

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Im not picking a win total this year due to injury risks and questions over the PGs. I do think that KP will not get off as many shots as he should, but overall will have a season that leaves us speculating that he is a future MVP.

As long as his efficiency continues to improve I will take it even if he has as many or even less ppg as last year. I'm mostly excited to see his development on defense. He looks a tad bit stronger and is probably better conditioned. Lee, KP and Noah can be the pieces of a top 10 defense.

But hopefully should be fun to watch.

Just hoping we don't get blown out tonight.

but the injury stuff can be overstated. Many teams have concerns if not all. MAny star players shed the injury label mid way through a career too.

Nothing is etched in stone. The Knicks have a pretty good and talented roster with upside. Let's see how things shake out. People act like they know Noah and Rose will miss half the season and other teams are free of the injury risk.

Joakim Noah on being at Cav's ring night:

"Congratlations to Cleveland, ev en though it's not a vacation spot."

bahahahahahahahaha

of Rose and Jennings getting into the lane and causing all kinds of havoc for opposing defenses....while Melo makes it rain all day from the outside and KP makes the leap into a hybrid Tyson Chandler/Dirk. If all of those fun things happens this team will cruise to the playoffs and, if they meet, take two games from Cleveland in a 7 game series.

On the other hand, I think the bench is potentially a major weakness and Rose/Noah are obviously huge question marks. And even if everyone is healthy, these pieces simply might not fit together.

If they have decent injury luck, I say 47 wins.

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Joakim Noah on being at Cav's ring night: "Congratlations to Cleveland, ev en though it's not a vacation spot." bahahahahahahahaha

tonight should be fun, rose and noah hate lebron..

jennings and shumpert absokutely hate each other...

i am sure noah and thompson will get into it a couple of times...

knicks actually match up well with cavs on paper but i still dont expect a win tonight but i do expect a battle

I like the bench, The games should be entertaining.

that might run us off the floor.

Do the Knicks have a first round pick this year or did they trade it away for the usual garbage? And if they do, is there any nonsense like if it's in the top ten it's going to another team?

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that might run us off the floor.

I guess one positive of bringing in battle-tested vets is that they're not going to shrink in a big game. Whether or not we're good enough to actually play in big games is the question.

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Do the Knicks have a first round pick this year or did they trade it away for the usual garbage? And if they do, is there any nonsense like if it's in the top ten it's going to another team?

Yes.

No.

In comment 13190537 Unemployable said:

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Do the Knicks have a first round pick this year or did they trade it away for the usual garbage? And if they do, is there any nonsense like if it's in the top ten it's going to another team?

Yes.
Its their own pick so,no conditions on it.

In comment 13190537 Unemployable said:

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Do the Knicks have a first round pick this year or did they trade it away for the usual garbage? And if they do, is there any nonsense like if it's in the top ten it's going to another team?

they have their pick no matter what

and maybe catch the Cavs napping on their big night.

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that might run us off the floor.

To be fair, that was going to be the case whether or not Noah said anything.

LET'S GO!!!

Let's go Knicks baby!!!!


NYK: 98
CLE: 93

Porzingod 27 points, 16 rebounds, 5 blocks in the opener

Jennings 4/5 from downtown 21 points 9 assist

line of 38 is pretty accurate. Team is 100% better than last year but still a lot of question marks:

1- What is the coaching philosophy? Triangle or up-tempo. Seems to be a hybrid so far but we've heard that before...

2- Chemistry. Only 5 of 15 players were on the team last year I think and a new head coach. Will take some time to gel. Furthermore is Rose a good fit next to Melo as both of them are high volume scorers (I think they'll be fine personally but who knows).

3- Bench. Not as big of a fan as most of the people here. I like Jennings, Holiday, and Lance a lot. Hernangomez and O'Quinn are interesting but extremely unproven though. Ndour and Plumlee shouldn't be counted on. If Noah or Porzingis get hurt that position becomes a mess.

4- Health. We all know about Rose and Noah but Melo and Jennings have had a few injuries past two years as well so something to monitor.

38 is my prediction for the year. 45+ if Rose, Noah, Melo, and Jennings all play 65+ games

this may sound weird but I'll take a big jump from Porzingis over a low playoff seed 100%. That should be the biggest focus this season looking long term

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this may sound weird but I'll take a big jump from Porzingis over a low playoff seed 100%. That should be the biggest focus this season looking long term

Well I think anyone would haha. But I hardly see how those are mutually exclusive. A big jump in KP's development alone would've been optimism for a playoff run aside from getting Rose, Jennings lee and Noah. They might need time to mesh but the players the Knicks were trottting out last year compared to this year is night and day.

even the coach.But I'm not sure about tonight.Might have to settle for 1 hard foul on Lebron.

KP overwhelmed Love last year. Would like to see them go to him.

and I'm already annoyed that KP isn't touching the ball

In 30 seconds I haven't seen a PG do in 4 years. Drive

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Thompson's milkshake.

Knicks gotta play with more composure.

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No complaints here.

Sloppy

Jeeeeeeeez

that leaving fouls unused is wasteful

but otherwise sloppy as shit so far.

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but otherwise sloppy as shit so far.

Very sloppy.

Separately, I can't believe I'm listening to Marv Albert. I was listening to him do Knick games on radio literally 50 years ago.

really needs a scorer.

The Cavs, OTOH, only played 1 guy who wasn't on their roster last season.

good look rook!

nice finish from Willy.

Gotta have some starters on the floor.

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when the ball is in the air. Just ball watching. What's up with that?

Knicks can't even slow him down by fouling him.

to pass the ball.

teams out of whack but hey its game 1

Holiday or KOQ has to foul him at mid-court.


I know Rose & Noah aren't going to play a ton of minutes right away, but the rotation has to be tweaked a bit... when the Cavs start the quarter with LeBron & Kyrie, the Knicks can't have 5 bench players on the floor.

to just let KP play center.

O'Quinn has really come in and stank it up in game 1

on the announce team

God, I hate that asshole

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$11,800 per seat court side. In Cleveland. That's just dumb.

Nice. That's what Melo needs. Someone to hit the open shots Melo creates.

from Just Holla

this lineup here

Holy moly look at them chicken legs

lineup, of course

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especiallt with lee and holiday on the floor, paint is wide open

Probably would have the lead if not for 7,000 turnovers.

not bad considering.

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$11,800 per seat court side. In Cleveland. That's just dumb.

Just because its listed at 12k on stub hub doesn't mean someone is paying that.

Also there is a bigger game in town.


Some sloppiness on both sides.

But he is pretty clueless. Bring KP off the bench?

stupid.

wtf

great sign for us. This is a really tough game on the road against a team that played together all last year and preseason. Some really good signs in the first half.

Haven't noticed him yet

Rose does look explosive for sure

Like the Knicks bench is total non-NBA level garbage. It's not a championship bench, but come on.

Played and had some issues finishing. Got to the rim though. A bit sloppy, probably tried to do too much.

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really needs some big man depth. I think WHO will be a solid player for us down the road but in the interim need a better defender + shooter somewhere there

start from 3 lol

we should probably defend him.

Dear lord.

I hate LeBron James. One of my least favorite players in the NBA. Fuck him and fuck his city.

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is a bad bad man.

level and the Knicks have no answer. Look like they are stuck in quicksand.

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Same old same old

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is a bad bad man.

He's a superstar

And just hit 2 3 balls

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Same old same old

some people just hate melo no matter what

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In comment 13191258 eightshamrocks said: Quote: Same old same old some people just hate melo no matter what

And I'm not one of them. I just get frustrated with the ball hogging sometimes. The Knicks need to spread the ball around more to get open looks.

He's unlistenable, Bring back Doug Collins. Heck, even Fratello.

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on the announce team

Really? Think he sounds terrible. He is definitely not a natural at it-sounds stiff.

Mindaugas Kuzminskas has outplayed Lance Thomas tonight

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Mindaugas Kuzminskas has outplayed Lance Thomas tonight

The guy can definitely shoot

Rose and Jennings have been terrible tonight at distributing the ball

Jennings to be unbearable to watch. Has not matured at all. Still takes terrible shots, jumps before he passes, not excited for him this year

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In comment 13191263 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13191258 eightshamrocks said: Quote: Same old same old some people just hate melo no matter what And I'm not one of them. I just get frustrated with the ball hogging sometimes. The Knicks need to spread the ball around more to get open looks.

huh? he has 19 points on 50% shooting and 3 assists

Holliday especially. They need to spread it out, pass, and get better looks.

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Jennings to be unbearable to watch. Has not matured at all. Still takes terrible shots, jumps before he passes, not excited for him this year

there is going to be games you love him and games you hate him, that is why he is 6th man, he is the knicks new jr smith

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Holliday especially. They need to spread it out, pass, and get better looks.

first game, these guys still have no idea how to play with each other yet

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In comment 13191281 adamg said: Quote: Holliday especially. They need to spread it out, pass, and get better looks. first game, these guys still have no idea how to play with each other yet

That's a cop out. They're just missing shots and rushing.

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In comment 13191283 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13191281 adamg said: Quote: Holliday especially. They need to spread it out, pass, and get better looks. first game, these guys still have no idea how to play with each other yet That's a cop out. They're just missing shots and rushing.

you rush when you are still learning how to play with the guy next to you...

its going to take at minimum 20 games before you really start to see the starting 5 play well with each other...

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you rush when you are still learning how to play with the guy next to you... its going to take at minimum 20 games before you really start to see the starting 5 play well with each other...

I agree with that aspect of what you're saying.

and preseason together. The Knicks haven't even played the preseason together. There were some really good signs, but this was a real tough game for them. They will get better.

but still....yuck.

the knicks have 3 days before their next game

I agree Lance Thomas didn't look good tonight.

I'd love to see him sent packing

Hopefully Kuz grabs that spot in the rotation.

How does he have a job after that game/

1 - Called Hernangomez 'hernandez' at least 5 times in first half.
2 - 'Melo is finally happy to be playing for a former player in horneck.' Do the last three coaches not count?
3 - 'vujacic is back with the knicks after playing last season with LA and nets'. Was on knicks all last season.

Marv had to correct him multiple times. Did he only have two months to prepare for this game? I guess he is so dumb, he count basic numbers like timeouts!

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They really shit on the Knicks. Shaq said he didn't know who any of the five Knicks on the court were at one point and they agreed after one game that they are the second best team in NYC and would miss the playoffs.

Seriously though given it was in Cleveland for their first game after capturing their ring I didn't expect much anyway.

Give Rose some time with the team and they should come together nicely at some point.

same as the old Knicks.

Actually, some promising signs this team could be more competitive this season, need time to gel

But it's kind of a bummer that 4 years into the Jax reign and we're really. O closer to competing with the Cavs than we were on day 1

At least we have Zinger to build around once Melo, Rose et al are gone

"Same result as the old Knicks"

Well, we have the second quarter to hang our hat on. They played really well the second quarter...

LBJ did not like the O charge call against him and then just said I have had enough of the JV team and proceeded to work on his ESPN highlight reel - throw down, throw down, block, assist, game time.

Seeing Melo barking on the bench after his third quarter, which sucked, annoyed me.

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"Same result as the old Knicks" Well, we have the second quarter to hang our hat on. They played really well the second quarter... LBJ did not like the O charge call against him and then just said I have had enough of the JV team and proceeded to work on his ESPN highlight reel - throw down, throw down, block, assist, game time. Seeing Melo barking on the bench after his third quarter, which sucked, annoyed me.

admittedly, I watched about 25% Knicks game, 75% World Series game last night. so didn't see enough of the game to offer an informed review, just being a cranky Knicks fan...and of course we have to give this group time. It's just such a tired routine to see them get run off the court like that

Let's give Melo credit, he did manage to get a steal in garbage time. DPOY?

You can't have your 2 and 5 with 0 points.

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what did you expect when Phil got here? The Knicks were three years away from even attempting to field a legit NBA roster unless they got extremely lucky two summers ago with FA. That was always a pipe dream. They hit on KP. That's all one could have realistically hoped for when Phil got here.

People act like Phil inherited a franchise that was ready to start over and blow things up. The Knicks were hamstrung when Phil walked in. Only one high draft pick over a 3 year period...

Now is the time to expect significant progress but last night was one game.

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They really shit on the Knicks. Shaq said he didn't know who any of the five Knicks on the court were at one point and they agreed after one game that they are the second best team in NYC and would miss the playoffs.

If the Knicks finish behind the Nets Hornacek and Phil Jackson should both be fired on the spot...

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In comment 13191366 jgambrosio said: Quote: They really shit on the Knicks. Shaq said he didn't know who any of the five Knicks on the court were at one point and they agreed after one game that they are the second best team in NYC and would miss the playoffs. If the Knicks finish behind the Nets Hornacek and Phil Jackson should both be fired on the spot...

Dolan didnt fire Sather, and I think Sather and Phil are pretty similar -- old hand legends with fistfuls of rings and lots of confidence. The presence of Sather drew all the criticism to him rather than Dolan. Similarly, when people want to crap on the Knicks now they go after "the Zen Master" and not Dolan. I think that is pretty important to Dolan. If Phil can avoid criticizing Dolan in the media, he's probably safe. And while Phil has a history of airing his laundry, I think he has less assertive ownership here than he did in LA and CHI. I think Dolan is kind of checked out with the band and being the CEO of like 4-5 companies.

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what did you expect when Phil got here? The Knicks were three years away from even attempting to field a legit NBA roster unless they got extremely lucky two summers ago with FA. That was always a pipe dream. They hit on KP. That's all one could have realistically hoped for when Phil got here. People act like Phil inherited a franchise that was ready to start over and blow things up. The Knicks were hamstrung when Phil walked in. Only one high draft pick over a 3 year period... Now is the time to expect significant progress but last night was one game.

Agree. Still dont understand why he pushed his meager chips to the table this year. If this experiment fails though (and it is way too early to tell), I think they can largely sell off the pieces for a return. Rose will expire, Melo will bring back good assets, Lee will get you something, and you may or may no be stuck with Noah.

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In comment 13191613 djm said: Quote: what did you expect when Phil got here? The Knicks were three years away from even attempting to field a legit NBA roster unless they got extremely lucky two summers ago with FA. That was always a pipe dream. They hit on KP. That's all one could have realistically hoped for when Phil got here. People act like Phil inherited a franchise that was ready to start over and blow things up. The Knicks were hamstrung when Phil walked in. Only one high draft pick over a 3 year period... Now is the time to expect significant progress but last night was one game. Agree. Still dont understand why he pushed his meager chips to the table this year. If this experiment fails though (and it is way too early to tell), I think they can largely sell off the pieces for a return. Rose will expire, Melo will bring back good assets, Lee will get you something, and you may or may no be stuck with Noah.

Oh I'm with you on this, and have been defending Jax for the most part. Overall just cranky that the best we can accomplish so far is a team that has a realistic chance at the playoffs, best case top 4 team in the East, but is still nowhere near competing with the Cavs

But yes, no point in overreacting after 1 game in Cleveland, when our team hasn't all been playing together long.

The best thing Jax has accomplished so far is not only getting us out of cap hell, but setting us up with future roster flexibility by breaking the cycle of bad long term contracts to over the hill vets.

In comment 13191660 Deej said:

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In comment 13191613 djm said: Quote: what did you expect when Phil got here? The Knicks were three years away from even attempting to field a legit NBA roster unless they got extremely lucky two summers ago with FA. That was always a pipe dream. They hit on KP. That's all one could have realistically hoped for when Phil got here. People act like Phil inherited a franchise that was ready to start over and blow things up. The Knicks were hamstrung when Phil walked in. Only one high draft pick over a 3 year period... Now is the time to expect significant progress but last night was one game. Agree. Still dont understand why he pushed his meager chips to the table this year. If this experiment fails though (and it is way too early to tell), I think they can largely sell off the pieces for a return. Rose will expire, Melo will bring back good assets, Lee will get you something, and you may or may no be stuck with Noah.

Yeah the only deal that carries weight is Noah but even he may be movable and you may not even want or need to move him. You still have KP and some younger chips and all the picks. Like Greg said if they shit the bed they can still add another lottery talent to the mix. It's not ideal but it's manageable.

C'mon, if the Knicks finish worse than the Nets this season Phil Jackson's time here goes down as a disaster. There is no scenario that the Nets should finish ahead of the Knicks. Five Thirty eight is projecting 23 wins for the Nets, ESPN has them winning 20 games. If the Knicks are worse Phil Jackson should be shown the door. I don't see a valid argument otherwise. It's not as if the "plan" this season is to tank. Noah and Lee "big" signings clearly say otherwise.

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You're fucking with us right? You're not rooting for the Knicks now, are you?

You're fucking with us.

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In comment 13191879 Vin R said: Quote: Go You're fucking with us right? You're not rooting for the Knicks now, are you? You're fucking with us.

lol just messing around

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Jennings to be unbearable to watch. Has not matured at all. Still takes terrible shots, jumps before he passes, not excited for him this year

He reminds me of a smaller JR Smith, TBH

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But yes, no point in overreacting after 1 game in Cleveland, when our team hasn't all been playing together long.

They literally had not played together AT ALL (regular season or preseason) prior to last night. I just wish the media idiots, who should know better, would recognize that. Instead, it was 99% Phil sucks, they suck, and that's the end of that.

God tell me this wasn't us
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yesterday's Derrick Rose was the exact Derrick Rose we saw all last season and basically all of the time since his injury. He can get to the hoop but lacks the explosiveness to finish, doesn't look to pass, not a good defender.

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C'mon, if the Knicks finish worse than the Nets this season Phil Jackson's time here goes down as a disaster. There is no scenario that the Nets should finish ahead of the Knicks. Five Thirty eight is projecting 23 wins for the Nets, ESPN has them winning 20 games. If the Knicks are worse Phil Jackson should be shown the door. I don't see a valid argument otherwise. It's not as if the "plan" this season is to tank. Noah and Lee "big" signings clearly say otherwise.

You are confusing an objective assessment of Phil's time (a disaster if NYK<BK) with my prediction of what Dolan would do. The two have nothing to do with eachother. Dolan does not run this team like a normal human being.

after missing so much time in preseason. Not at all clear that it reflects a reasonable representation of his upside. It might, but there is no way to know.