Statement from Josh Brown

there would be no math...

could pull up that original thread and call out the morons who were saying it was "ridiculous" and to "move on" when some of us were saying it was really weird/odd that the Giants were defending this guy and keeping him around when it just seemed off....that would be great.

In comment 13190655 ryanmkeane said:

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could pull up that original thread and call out the morons who were saying it was "ridiculous" and to "move on" when some of us were saying it was really weird/odd that the Giants were defending this guy and keeping him around when it just seemed off....that would be great.

What has changed? Pull the thread up, it's still out there or archived.

with the "there goes our season" idiots after the Donnell fumble on Sunday. Would love to see a "retroactive thread" thread...

So many strong responses JUST ON THIS THREAD. I'm not sure about anything.

As far as the team's responsibility, I read the deadspin article, and it states over and again how reticent his wife was to speak to the NFL/team. And it's definitely unclear how Brown presented it to the team. Did the team have access to the police reports? I know there was an "incident" at the pro-bowl, but banging on a hotel-room door. I get that it can bee taken as threatening behavior, but for a lot of couples, it might just be a standard Friday night.

And I wonder how much the team felt like they wanted to support him if he was getting help. It just doesn't seem like they'd knowingly make themselves vulnerable for a kicker.

No doubt, I'm being naive. Maybe there'll be more clarity around this at some point, but probably not.

In comment 13190656 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13190655 ryanmkeane said: Quote: could pull up that original thread and call out the morons who were saying it was "ridiculous" and to "move on" when some of us were saying it was really weird/odd that the Giants were defending this guy and keeping him around when it just seemed off....that would be great. What has changed? Pull the thread up, it's still out there or archived.

What has changed?? I started a thread on Brown months ago saying it was just really weird that the Giants were sticking by him, and that something didn't feel right about it. Well - about 90% of the people commented saying how ridiculous it was to even question it...he's a kicker who cares...they made their decision who cares...moving on who cares...yawn.....why start a thread on this....the situation is over with...

a recap of the game thread, but it generated too much hate from the morons who were exposed for issuing death threats or a Tourette's like "Eli sucks shit" response after every incompletion.

People also got testy when I pointed out their posts at 1:16PM saying, "We won't win another game this fucking year" when we'd even win that one a few hours later.

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Please cut him so this can all end!

thread recaps were great.

People got so offended which IMO was almost the height of irony.

In comment 13190665 Greg from LI said:

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Plus eleventy-billion

He's a kicker
He is a huge distraction
He flat out blew a game this year kicking it out of bounds on a kickoff
Isn't Giants kinda guy even when they say be heavy handed

Guy is a Neanderthal

Why? What did the Giants actually know prior to the signing? I think too many people are assuming too much. As I said before, people are supposed to he innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone was accused of something doesn't mean they did it. Bromley was accused of rape. That never occurred. Strahan was accused of shit by his ex-wife. There are numerous situations of this. Some are true and some arent. I would lean towards the Giants not knowing anything concrete that would have led to this situation. If they knew half the shit that they knew now I think it would have been a different situation. Hindsight is 20/20.

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It is important to share that I never struck my wife, and never would.

Just curious, Josh. The photo she took with the leg bruise. Did she fall? Did she do that to herself?

am i wrong?

Wow.

So "getting physical" is different than "struck."

Technically OK.

But holy fucking fuck. What a load of fucking Grade-A shit that is.

In comment 13190705 robbieballs2003 said:

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Why? What did the Giants actually know prior to the signing? I think too many people are assuming too much. As I said before, people are supposed to he innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone was accused of something doesn't mean they did it. Bromley was accused of rape. That never occurred. Strahan was accused of shit by his ex-wife. There are numerous situations of this. Some are true and some arent. I would lean towards the Giants not knowing anything concrete that would have led to this situation. If they knew half the shit that they knew now I think it would have been a different situation. Hindsight is 20/20.

Plenty of information was available. The NFL and the Giants didn't try terribly hard to obtain it.

In comment 13190716 Beezer said:

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Quote: It is important to share that I never struck my wife, and never would. Just curious, Josh. The photo she took with the leg bruise. Did she fall? Did she do that to herself?

He's probably saying he never punched or slapped her in the face, and I completely agree it's an idiotic distinction.

In comment 13190728 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13190705 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Why? What did the Giants actually know prior to the signing? I think too many people are assuming too much. As I said before, people are supposed to he innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone was accused of something doesn't mean they did it. Bromley was accused of rape. That never occurred. Strahan was accused of shit by his ex-wife. There are numerous situations of this. Some are true and some arent. I would lean towards the Giants not knowing anything concrete that would have led to this situation. If they knew half the shit that they knew now I think it would have been a different situation. Hindsight is 20/20. Plenty of information was available. The NFL and the Giants didn't try terribly hard to obtain it.

That, and idiot kickers are a dime a dozen.

In comment 13190728 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13190705 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Why? What did the Giants actually know prior to the signing? I think too many people are assuming too much. As I said before, people are supposed to he innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone was accused of something doesn't mean they did it. Bromley was accused of rape. That never occurred. Strahan was accused of shit by his ex-wife. There are numerous situations of this. Some are true and some arent. I would lean towards the Giants not knowing anything concrete that would have led to this situation. If they knew half the shit that they knew now I think it would have been a different situation. Hindsight is 20/20. Plenty of information was available. The NFL and the Giants didn't try terribly hard to obtain it.

Not true. The Sheriff of the county was interviewed and he clearly stated that the league DID try to obtain the information but they wouldn't release it because it was an open investigation. Again, there are a lot of assumptions going on here. Where was all of this "plenty of information available" supposed to come from? TMZ? The National Enquirer? US Weekly?

In comment 13190753 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13190728 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13190705 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Why? What did the Giants actually know prior to the signing? I think too many people are assuming too much. As I said before, people are supposed to he innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone was accused of something doesn't mean they did it. Bromley was accused of rape. That never occurred. Strahan was accused of shit by his ex-wife. There are numerous situations of this. Some are true and some arent. I would lean towards the Giants not knowing anything concrete that would have led to this situation. If they knew half the shit that they knew now I think it would have been a different situation. Hindsight is 20/20. Plenty of information was available. The NFL and the Giants didn't try terribly hard to obtain it. Not true. The Sheriff of the county was interviewed and he clearly stated that the league DID try to obtain the information but they wouldn't release it because it was an open investigation. Again, there are a lot of assumptions going on here. Where was all of this "plenty of information available" supposed to come from? TMZ? The National Enquirer? US Weekly?

The Sheriff a hell of a lot more than that which your are conveniently ignoring. You know the part where the Sheriff destroyed the NFL investigators for being incompetent morons? Read it. I'm not going to do your research for you.

I'm with you on this. There is so much we don't know and probably will never know. But, I don't get this assumption that the Giants knew so much more and ignored it.

First of all, why in the Hell would the team or the league be privy to information from an open investigation? Think about it, if you were accused of something and the police were investigating, how would you like the police providing your files to your company? This presumption that the league and the team should have known more is a bit much, in my opinion.

Now, it is a tougher spot because he was already suspended for this. However, I'm not sure there is anything in the CBA that prevents the league from taking further action in light of new information. isn't that what happened with Rice?

In comment 13190778 Matt M. said:

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I'm with you on this. There is so much we don't know and probably will never know. But, I don't get this assumption that the Giants knew so much more and ignored it. First of all, why in the Hell would the team or the league be privy to information from an open investigation? Think about it, if you were accused of something and the police were investigating, how would you like the police providing your files to your company? This presumption that the league and the team should have known more is a bit much, in my opinion. Now, it is a tougher spot because he was already suspended for this. However, I'm not sure there is anything in the CBA that prevents the league from taking further action in light of new information. isn't that what happened with Rice?

The Sheriff said he would have fed the NFL some information on this if the NFL investigator had bothered to identify himself as an NFL investigator. Do the reading.

to give Josh Brown the benefit of the doubt here. Embarrassing, actually.

In comment 13190782 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13190778 Matt M. said: Quote: I'm with you on this. There is so much we don't know and probably will never know. But, I don't get this assumption that the Giants knew so much more and ignored it. First of all, why in the Hell would the team or the league be privy to information from an open investigation? Think about it, if you were accused of something and the police were investigating, how would you like the police providing your files to your company? This presumption that the league and the team should have known more is a bit much, in my opinion. Now, it is a tougher spot because he was already suspended for this. However, I'm not sure there is anything in the CBA that prevents the league from taking further action in light of new information. isn't that what happened with Rice? The Sheriff said he would have fed the NFL some information on this if the NFL investigator had bothered to identify himself as an NFL investigator. Do the reading.

Did he say that? I know he said the NFL investigator did not identify himself as an NFL investigator, he said the request came from a gmail account or something. But I thought he said it wouldn't have mattered and he might have given them more of their process or timeline, but he still would not have released any more information.

Maybe that type of response would have allowed the NFL to delay a decision knowing more information was coming, not sure.

1. Josh Brown to STFU.

2. Josh Brown to go TF away.

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 3m3 minutes ago
Josh Brown's statement via @Giants is a bit different than the one he released earlier. Gone is where he said he "never struck" his wife.

In comment 13190790 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13190782 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13190778 Matt M. said: Quote: I'm with you on this. There is so much we don't know and probably will never know. But, I don't get this assumption that the Giants knew so much more and ignored it. First of all, why in the Hell would the team or the league be privy to information from an open investigation? Think about it, if you were accused of something and the police were investigating, how would you like the police providing your files to your company? This presumption that the league and the team should have known more is a bit much, in my opinion. Now, it is a tougher spot because he was already suspended for this. However, I'm not sure there is anything in the CBA that prevents the league from taking further action in light of new information. isn't that what happened with Rice? The Sheriff said he would have fed the NFL some information on this if the NFL investigator had bothered to identify himself as an NFL investigator. Do the reading. Did he say that? I know he said the NFL investigator did not identify himself as an NFL investigator, he said the request came from a gmail account or something. But I thought he said it wouldn't have mattered and he might have given them more of their process or timeline, but he still would not have released any more information. Maybe that type of response would have allowed the NFL to delay a decision knowing more information was coming, not sure.

�I would have said exactly the same thing, �We cannot release the case file.� But since this is a hot-button item in the NFL, since it�s the NFL, we probably would have told them orally a little bit more about what we had �� he said. �We�ve got some goofus from Woodinville named Rob Agnew asking for the case file. We have no idea who he is.�

not sure how much telling them a little bit more orally about what they had would have helped - especially since they decided to not pursue charges. But I guess it could have.

And they said that Brown told them he got physical with his wife.

At that point they needed to know enough facts to stick with him or or cut him loose. It seems to me like they just hoped that no further details would emerge, which was a stupid thing to do.

owns this thread.

And the sheriff said that what he meant by possibly giving them more info if they announced themselves as the NFL was only that he'd tell them something along the lines of its very serious or that the case is very troubling. Those weren't his exact words, but that's the gist of what he meant. He even said that even if he wanted to, he couldn't legally give any specific information about the case. And wasn't about to. So again, I'm not sure how the Giants or the NFL were supposed to know any more than what Josh Brown told them, which prolly wasn't much

"I would also like to add that my ex-wife is very klutzy. She always seems to be falling down stairs and walking into door knobs. She is also a very poor listener."

In comment 13190848 BigBlueShock said:

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And the sheriff said that what he meant by possibly giving them more info if they announced themselves as the NFL was only that he'd tell them something along the lines of its very serious or that the case is very troubling. Those weren't his exact words, but that's the gist of what he meant. He even said that even if he wanted to, he couldn't legally give any specific information about the case. And wasn't about to. So again, I'm not sure how the Giants or the NFL were supposed to know any more than what Josh Brown told them, which prolly wasn't much

So even if you are naive enough to believe that the Sheriff wouldn't orally share details with them off the record, you think that upon hearing something akin to, if not an exact quote, as the situation was "very serious" or "very troubling" that the appropriate response is "Awesome, thanks for the info. I'm off to give Josh $8M now!" That certainly wasn't there exact words, but it's the gist of what they meant.

he's defending accused DV offenders. What a noble guy.

In comment 13190895 David in LA said:

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he's defending accused DV offenders. What a noble guy.

And writing "I seen".

count your blessings and butt out of the discussion.
Most, if not all, of you are guessing as to what form the abuse took.
You have no idea what abuse the wife may have handed out.
You have no idea what kind of a corner the lawyers pushed Brown into.
"Holier than thou" is B.S..

In comment 13190957 Blackbeard said:

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count your blessings and butt out of the discussion. Most, if not all, of you are guessing as to what form the abuse took. You have no idea what abuse the wife may have handed out. You have no idea what kind of a corner the lawyers pushed Brown into. "Holier than thou" is B.S..

Dumb.

With the NFL?

In comment 13190895 David in LA said:

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he's defending accused DV offenders. What a noble guy.

Wtf? You need to fucking show me one one single postvwhere I've ever even mentioned BLM you piece of shit. There should be plenty according to you so let's see them. I call you out for being the biggest racist on this board and now it's a BLM thing? Every single person on this board knows that it is you that has the racist tendencies. You've been called out on it a million times, but yeah, I take shots at BLM.

Oh, also you idiot, where the hell have I EVER defended this scum bag Brown? You just make shit up. I'm discussing what Mara may or may not have known and his responsibility to act on whatever knowledge he had. So again, where the flying fuck have a ever defended Brown? Where? You worthless pice of lying shit.

In comment 13190953 Mr. Bungle said:

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In comment 13190895 David in LA said: Quote: he's defending accused DV offenders. What a noble guy. And writing "I seen".

Mr. Bungle trying to pile on with David the racist in LA. Haha. What's next, you'll ask radar and Old Dirty Beckham to join the "cool" club with you two clowns?

considering every single one of those threads get deleted. You have gotten extremely riled up in any race related thread, and you have gone after me for sticking up for dead minorities, Kaepernick, etc, and I'm the racist? I specifically remember you saying people calling people out on their bias makes them racist (as if you repeating that many times makes it true). When you're not defending overzealous cops, and piling on a dead guy, you're defending Mara's handling of this situation (yes, by proxy you are defending Brown).

Stupid. If anything, I'm suggesting that Brown may not have been completely honest with the information that he shared with Mara and the team in the early stages. People are killing Mara, and rightfully so, but the truth of the matter is, none of us really know how much Mara knew. I guess in your lala land, that is somehow defending Brown. Even though every post I've had on the matter has been exactly the opposite. He's a scum bag and I'm glad he's gone.

And as for me supposedly defending cops and whatever other bullshit you babbled, I take it on a case by case basis. I look at every situation differently and let the facts come out before passing judgement. Problem is, I'm usually fending you off because if someone isn't saying how awesome BLM is in every way and how every single minority is always the victim, they get accused of being racist. By you. Every. Time. You hate cops and white people, we get it. And all minorities are the bomb. Completely innocent of all wrong doing. Yet you try to deflect by calling every other poster on this board a racist when they don't agree with you. Wash, rinse, repeat with each racially charged thread.

on a position that's not even mine(I don't hate cops, nor do I hate white people). No, I don't think minorities "are the bomb" (not sure why you chose these words, I'll let you explain, because I'm sure it's not coming from an entirely wholesome place), I just think it's poor form to constantly dismiss their grievances, and go on witch hunts to find any past grievance to discredit the legitimacy of their claims. I'm sorry that you can't discuss something you don't agree with in a mature fashion without getting REALLY pissed off.

This thread is a perfect example. You pop in from nowhere and start hurling insults for no reason. That's exactly why any thread that you show up on turns to shit. Your post was unnecessary and full of lies. I didn't say anything to you. That's your problem. We were having a discussion, with different points of view, and as usual, you show up with unnecessary race baiting and insults. How many people on this site have you accused of being racist? The list is long. All because people have the audacity to disagree with you.

and we may or may not get to the bottom of it. What I find curious is this. Reports about the Pro Bowl where his wife was pounding on a door or something and the NFL had to get her another room? I may have that bit twisted but I read it the other day.

You know at that time the NFL and the Giants had a discussion about him and what to do. I will bet anything that both decided to let this "blow over" and hope that nobody finds out. For all we know, the Giants may have been counselled by the NFL to do nothing.

I'm not sure how you flipped this on me. I didn't say a damn thing to you. Yet, I'm the one that can't have a discussion without getting pissed. Was your initial post, directed at me and accusing me of being a racist and a DV lover really supposed to inspire quality dialogue? Yep, it's all me...my fault.

I've pointed out bias, backwards logic, out of whack priorities, and my suggestions are much more nuanced than you're making it out to be. Just very odd that your level of outrage always pops up on these kind of topics.

but your bending over backwards to give Mara the benefit of the doubt shows you're kind of ok about the long leash given to Brown, and so does your exchange with CIP. I'll apologize for piling on, your dumb comments stand alone on its own legs.

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but your bending over backwards to give Mara the benefit of the doubt shows you're kind of ok about the long leash given to Brown, and so does your exchange with CIP. I'll apologize for piling on, your dumb comments stand alone on its own legs.

You're abysmal. I've stayed many times that Brown should be gone. I just prefer to let the system play out and for facts to emerge before expressing outrage. Not sure why you think that's dumb, but it's to be expected from you. Someone has a different perspective on something? They are dumb and/or racist. It's your calling card. Just a little punk that thinks he knows everything and never knows when to shut the fuck up. Classic little mans syndrome