Agholor - apparently already a lost cause. Green-Beckham... well i suppose Tennessee kind of gave him away for whatever reason.
As a fantasy owner of Jeffrey, "bad" isnt kind enough to describe his play this year. Part of it is Hoyer incompetence, but he turned 11 targets against the Packers 4th cornerback thursday night into 3 catches for 33 yards. No TDs all year. Given the bitter contract dispute last offseason, I'm not sure he's trying out there.
Not that we would ever it do nor should we, but Jeffrey would be a hell of a compliment to OBJ. Jeffrey and OBJ with Shepard in the slot would look pretty damn good for the next few years.
Not that we would ever it do nor should we, but Jeffrey would be a hell of a compliment to OBJ. Jeffrey and OBJ with Shepard in the slot would look pretty damn good for the next few years.
are you really asking for the Giants to jump in and try to make a deal for this guy? Do you think we really need another WR? Have you been watching the games?
hopefully he wants to be the highest paid WR in the league.
That's the thing. He's in the top five in WR salary and a free agent at the end of the year. If they trade for him, it only makes sense to do it if they extend him. That's going to cost more than 15 per. Are they going to pay 16.5 mill per for a receiver? They'd need to structure it too. They only have 10 in space right now.
are you really asking for the Giants to jump in and try to make a deal for this guy? Do you think we really need another WR? Have you been watching the games?
+1
We already have too many pushing for snaps as is. Not to mention the waste of $$$ it would be.
are you really asking for the Giants to jump in and try to make a deal for this guy? Do you think we really need another WR? Have you been watching the games?
I'm not saying Alshon would be the answer, his injury history is a bit concerning, but absolutely the Giants need another WR, it's a huge problem for this offense, one of the major reasons they are struggling. Cruz doesn't belong outside, he's not a legitimate deep threat and he's not a physical mismatch. For that reason, teams are single covering him all day, and OBJ is getting far too much extra attention. All we need is someone who can beat single coverage deep on the regular and it will open up a lot of opportunity for OBJ, you will see him make a lot more plays, and the offense will be a lot better.
Cruz is a good player... where he is utilizing his strengths, and that is in the slot.
You could see the Eagles doing something like this knowing they could go far this season. They have the right coaches and a good defense, this would just improve their offense big time. Can't blame them for wanting to make bold moves to give their team a better chance.. Hmm Reese asleep at the wheel again? This is where Reese fails. The Giants have a solid unit just need to make a bold move for the offensive lineman.
but i feel like this guy is always nursing something. plus he feels like the kind of guy to take it easy once he gets paid. that is speculation but the injury thing is real, and so would the huge salary. in the long term i think philly would regret this, and i'd be ok with that
You know if the Eagles were trading a guy like this, they would get a 2nd round pick for him. They'll probably end up giving the Bears a 6th round pick and a bad contract although I think Tennessee and Miami picked up most of the Eagles bad contracts this off season.
Allbright spent the evening in Twitter wars over his credibility.
I guess a lot of the rumors he has tweeted didn't pan out. Doesn't mean he makes stuff up, but he does seem to pass along info from agents and other interested sources without much corroboration or critical thinking.
But the little fucker railroads GM's in his trades. Just look this year alone with Bradford, Maxwell, and Murray. The guy has a knack for getting the upper hand in just about every trade he executes. And now, he thinks this team, led by a rookie QB and head coach, can accomplish something this year in a weakened NFC. But in order to do so, he has to aggressively pursue an avenue to address an obvious weakness. Meanwhile, what's Reese doing with the unit (OL) that we have that's gonna end up keeping us out of the playoffs in said weak NFC?
But the little fucker railroads GM's in his trades. Just look this year alone with Bradford, Maxwell, and Murray. The guy has a knack for getting the upper hand in just about every trade he executes. And now, he thinks this team, led by a rookie QB and head coach, can accomplish something this year in a weakened NFC. But in order to do so, he has to aggressively pursue an avenue to address an obvious weakness. Meanwhile, what's Reese doing with the unit (OL) that we have that's gonna end up keeping us out of the playoffs in said weak NFC?
Demarco Murrray is third in the NFL in rushing. Bradford before he lost his two tackles was one of the most efficient QBs in football. Just because he makes a lot of moves, doesn't mean they are a net positive.
and Bradford are two pieces that have kept their teams in a decent position. Obviously, the Vikings are keyed by their defense, but until last week, Bradford kept control of the ball and played to the strengths of that D perfectly.
Murray is giving the Titans a ball-control offense and is back to a much better usage and form that that under Kelly, who was placing a square peg in a round hole.
Roseman made deals that also helped those teams out tremendously.
for me to have any confidence in trading for and giving a massive contract to. That said, he's a fantastic talent when healthy and motivated. I enjoy watching him play so it would be rough if he went to the Eagles.
But all that aside, how on earth can anyone justify trading for him with the rest of our deficiencies on offense?
hopefully he wants to be the highest paid WR in the league.
That's the thing. He's in the top five in WR salary and a free agent at the end of the year. If they trade for him, it only makes sense to do it if they extend him. That's going to cost more than 15 per. Are they going to pay 16.5 mill per for a receiver? They'd need to structure it too. They only have 10 in space right now.
That's because he's currently on the franchise tag which is computed from the top 5 WR salaries last season (i.e. still included Megatron's deal). He's still going to get ~$13-14M per, but I'm not sure he'll get more than the 5 yr/$70M Dez signed for or even the 5 yr/$65M TY Hilton agreed to.
But it doesn't really matter, the Eagles have plenty of space (currently ~$8.7M for 2016). Almost half of Jeffery's salary has been paid, so the Eagles would only need $7-8M for this year to fit him under the cap. As for a long term deal, they can get creative with the yearly cap #s and fit him easily. Or they could cut Jason Peters and save $9.2M in cap space (or force a paycut to keep Peters but still recoup space). Always ways to generate more cap space in the NFL.
But the little fucker railroads GM's in his trades. Just look this year alone with Bradford, Maxwell, and Murray. The guy has a knack for getting the upper hand in just about every trade he executes. And now, he thinks this team, led by a rookie QB and head coach, can accomplish something this year in a weakened NFC. But in order to do so, he has to aggressively pursue an avenue to address an obvious weakness. Meanwhile, what's Reese doing with the unit (OL) that we have that's gonna end up keeping us out of the playoffs in said weak NFC?
Wait, you think the Murray trade was a win for the Eagles? They didn't even get an extra pick. All they did was swap 4th rounders. And Murray has rebounded to be 3rd in the NFL with 633 rushing yards, 192 receiving yards, and 7 TDs through 7 games. David Johnson and Julio Jones are the only two players with more yards from scrimmage. Link - ( New Window )
that LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso trade worked out brilliantly.
That was Chip Kelly.
At least with the Alonso/Maxwell dump the Eagles moved up 5 spots in the 1st so I can see how that might be a win for them. Though both have played well for the Dolphins too. I know it's PFF and only 1 game, but they were the highest rated D players against PIT:
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Miami CB Maxwell shuts down Steelers star WR Brown
The standout performance in this one came from cornerback Byron Maxwell, who struggled mightily a year ago with Philadelphia after signing a big-money free-agent deal, and was benched a couple of weeks ago. He was targeted eight times and gave up four catches, but for only 29 total yards, while knocking away four passes. Five of those targets came when covering Steelers star wideout Antonio Brown, and he allowed three catches for just 23 yards.
Pretty much Nothing at TE
No play maker stud type Running Back
3 Three Slot Type WR's OBJ being the exception
Mediocre to poor Offensive Line ...
Had to spend a Gazzilion Dollars to try fix the Defense ..
His Draft Record is terrible many here say Oh but he is
soooo good in rounds 1 and 2 ...!!!!!
Even those rounds are producing very few Difference makers .
With Out OBJ we may have ended up with a top 3 pick
the last two years and as far as this year is concerned
without OBJ we could very well be winless ..
But Lets Keep saying In Reece We Trust ...
I hope he is gone next season if we implode this year
I don't see how you can defend him ...
But the little fucker railroads GM's in his trades. Just look this year alone with Bradford, Maxwell, and Murray. The guy has a knack for getting the upper hand in just about every trade he executes. And now, he thinks this team, led by a rookie QB and head coach, can accomplish something this year in a weakened NFC. But in order to do so, he has to aggressively pursue an avenue to address an obvious weakness. Meanwhile, what's Reese doing with the unit (OL) that we have that's gonna end up keeping us out of the playoffs in said weak NFC?
You're green nosing is showing again
I knew the Boss would be unable to keep it in his pants
but they really shouldn't give away too much more.
I know the recouped the #1, but I'd beware of giving up a pick for a potential rental. Likewise, I'd be skeptical of signing a guy to a huge contract (surely what Jeffrey would want) with his history.
But the little fucker railroads GM's in his trades. Just look this year alone with Bradford, Maxwell, and Murray. The guy has a knack for getting the upper hand in just about every trade he executes. And now, he thinks this team, led by a rookie QB and head coach, can accomplish something this year in a weakened NFC. But in order to do so, he has to aggressively pursue an avenue to address an obvious weakness. Meanwhile, what's Reese doing with the unit (OL) that we have that's gonna end up keeping us out of the playoffs in said weak NFC?
You're green nosing is showing again
No, not at all. I'm just frustrated that these mother fuckers are sitting pretty with a rookie HC and QB and see what JR doesn't: the NFC in 2016 is not what it's been the last 3 years and is winnable this year. AZ, SEA, CAR, and GB are down from previous years and the "best" team is rather ordinary (MIN). The Eagles think, and rightfully so, that they can make some hay now and are exploring ways of improving their weakest unit: WR. Meanwhile, the NYG likely will miss the playoffs because Reese didn't accomplish anything on the OL, despite his trying, and then continuity he banked on upon failing to acquire upgrades has become regression as the roster features some of the worst OT's in the entire league. I can't speak for anyone on BBI except myself, but I am sick of watching someone other than the NYG represent the division in the playoffs. And, even worse, this year we might see 2 teams get in, and neither will be the NYG.
I mean, all you do is forecast who is going to win months in advance?
Meanwhile, you're slobbering all over the NFC East, while since 2011 those three teams have combined for ONE playoff win. Another team hasn't won a playoff game since 2008 and the third.....hell, when have the Skins won a playoff game??
Philadelphia Eagles head coach Doug Pederson told reporters there is "no legitimacy" to NFL writer Benjamin Allbright's Tuesday report that the Eagles "are trying for [Jeffery]." Allbright noted Philadelphia would need to work out a long-term deal with the receiver.
This is from the same article linked by the OP so i didn't feel the need to add another link.
You could see the Eagles doing something like this knowing they could go far this season. They have the right coaches and a good defense, this would just improve their offense big time. Can't blame them for wanting to make bold moves to give their team a better chance.. Hmm Reese asleep at the wheel again? This is where Reese fails. The Giants have a solid unit just need to make a bold move for the offensive lineman.
As a fantasy owner of Jeffrey, "bad" isnt kind enough to describe his play this year. Part of it is Hoyer incompetence, but he turned 11 targets against the Packers 4th cornerback thursday night into 3 catches for 33 yards. No TDs all year. Given the bitter contract dispute last offseason, I'm not sure he's trying out there.
At least on paper
Eli would have a field day throwing those deep balls to him
That's the thing. He's in the top five in WR salary and a free agent at the end of the year. If they trade for him, it only makes sense to do it if they extend him. That's going to cost more than 15 per. Are they going to pay 16.5 mill per for a receiver? They'd need to structure it too. They only have 10 in space right now.
+1
We already have too many pushing for snaps as is. Not to mention the waste of $$$ it would be.
I'm not saying Alshon would be the answer, his injury history is a bit concerning, but absolutely the Giants need another WR, it's a huge problem for this offense, one of the major reasons they are struggling. Cruz doesn't belong outside, he's not a legitimate deep threat and he's not a physical mismatch. For that reason, teams are single covering him all day, and OBJ is getting far too much extra attention. All we need is someone who can beat single coverage deep on the regular and it will open up a lot of opportunity for OBJ, you will see him make a lot more plays, and the offense will be a lot better.
Cruz is a good player... where he is utilizing his strengths, and that is in the slot.
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Demarco Murrray is third in the NFL in rushing. Bradford before he lost his two tackles was one of the most efficient QBs in football. Just because he makes a lot of moves, doesn't mean they are a net positive.
Murray is giving the Titans a ball-control offense and is back to a much better usage and form that that under Kelly, who was placing a square peg in a round hole.
Roseman made deals that also helped those teams out tremendously.
DGB sucks. All he has going for him is that he's tall.
Jeffery for a mid-round pick would be a steal though. Even after having to pay him $13-14M per season.
But all that aside, how on earth can anyone justify trading for him with the rest of our deficiencies on offense?
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hopefully he wants to be the highest paid WR in the league.
That's the thing. He's in the top five in WR salary and a free agent at the end of the year. If they trade for him, it only makes sense to do it if they extend him. That's going to cost more than 15 per. Are they going to pay 16.5 mill per for a receiver? They'd need to structure it too. They only have 10 in space right now.
That's because he's currently on the franchise tag which is computed from the top 5 WR salaries last season (i.e. still included Megatron's deal). He's still going to get ~$13-14M per, but I'm not sure he'll get more than the 5 yr/$70M Dez signed for or even the 5 yr/$65M TY Hilton agreed to.
But it doesn't really matter, the Eagles have plenty of space (currently ~$8.7M for 2016). Almost half of Jeffery's salary has been paid, so the Eagles would only need $7-8M for this year to fit him under the cap. As for a long term deal, they can get creative with the yearly cap #s and fit him easily. Or they could cut Jason Peters and save $9.2M in cap space (or force a paycut to keep Peters but still recoup space). Always ways to generate more cap space in the NFL.
Wait, you think the Murray trade was a win for the Eagles? They didn't even get an extra pick. All they did was swap 4th rounders. And Murray has rebounded to be 3rd in the NFL with 633 rushing yards, 192 receiving yards, and 7 TDs through 7 games. David Johnson and Julio Jones are the only two players with more yards from scrimmage.
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they traded 2015 2nd round CB Eric Rowe to the Patriots for a 4th round pick...in 2018.
that Roseman is a genius.
trading wizard.
Weaving LeSean McCoy into Kiko Alonso who played 1.5 games for them and then was a throw-in in the draft day trade with Miami
turning Murray into a slightly better 4th round pick
turning Rowe into a pick two rounds later in the draft
man stay away it's like when a British guy tries to bet with you in a bar, you know you can't win, the British are like carney folk at bar tricks.
That was Chip Kelly.
At least with the Alonso/Maxwell dump the Eagles moved up 5 spots in the 1st so I can see how that might be a win for them. Though both have played well for the Dolphins too. I know it's PFF and only 1 game, but they were the highest rated D players against PIT:
The standout performance in this one came from cornerback Byron Maxwell, who struggled mightily a year ago with Philadelphia after signing a big-money free-agent deal, and was benched a couple of weeks ago. He was targeted eight times and gave up four catches, but for only 29 total yards, while knocking away four passes. Five of those targets came when covering Steelers star wideout Antonio Brown, and he allowed three catches for just 23 yards.
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No play maker stud type Running Back
3 Three Slot Type WR's OBJ being the exception
Mediocre to poor Offensive Line ...
Had to spend a Gazzilion Dollars to try fix the Defense ..
His Draft Record is terrible many here say Oh but he is
soooo good in rounds 1 and 2 ...!!!!!
Even those rounds are producing very few Difference makers .
With Out OBJ we may have ended up with a top 3 pick
the last two years and as far as this year is concerned
without OBJ we could very well be winless ..
But Lets Keep saying In Reece We Trust ...
I hope he is gone next season if we implode this year
I don't see how you can defend him ...
You're green nosing is showing again
I know the recouped the #1, but I'd beware of giving up a pick for a potential rental. Likewise, I'd be skeptical of signing a guy to a huge contract (surely what Jeffrey would want) with his history.
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But the little fucker railroads GM's in his trades. Just look this year alone with Bradford, Maxwell, and Murray. The guy has a knack for getting the upper hand in just about every trade he executes. And now, he thinks this team, led by a rookie QB and head coach, can accomplish something this year in a weakened NFC. But in order to do so, he has to aggressively pursue an avenue to address an obvious weakness. Meanwhile, what's Reese doing with the unit (OL) that we have that's gonna end up keeping us out of the playoffs in said weak NFC?
You're green nosing is showing again
No, not at all. I'm just frustrated that these mother fuckers are sitting pretty with a rookie HC and QB and see what JR doesn't: the NFC in 2016 is not what it's been the last 3 years and is winnable this year. AZ, SEA, CAR, and GB are down from previous years and the "best" team is rather ordinary (MIN). The Eagles think, and rightfully so, that they can make some hay now and are exploring ways of improving their weakest unit: WR. Meanwhile, the NYG likely will miss the playoffs because Reese didn't accomplish anything on the OL, despite his trying, and then continuity he banked on upon failing to acquire upgrades has become regression as the roster features some of the worst OT's in the entire league. I can't speak for anyone on BBI except myself, but I am sick of watching someone other than the NYG represent the division in the playoffs. And, even worse, this year we might see 2 teams get in, and neither will be the NYG.
We were in 1st place in the division this time last year. This year, aren't we 1/2 game behind them and will be ahead of them if we win?
Not sure how pretty they are sitting.
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No, not at all. I'm just frustrated that these mother fuckers are sitting pretty with a rookie HC and QB and see what JR doesn't:
We were in 1st place in the division this time last year. This year, aren't we 1/2 game behind them and will be ahead of them if we win?
Not sure how pretty they are sitting.
Well, when you consider they'll finish at worst 2-1 vs Pitt, Minny, and GB (all in Philly, somehow) and we'll likely go 0-3, that's a huge difference.
I mean, all you do is forecast who is going to win months in advance?
Meanwhile, you're slobbering all over the NFC East, while since 2011 those three teams have combined for ONE playoff win. Another team hasn't won a playoff game since 2008 and the third.....hell, when have the Skins won a playoff game??
This is from the same article linked by the OP so i didn't feel the need to add another link.
Everybody breathe now...
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No, not at all. I'm just frustrated that these mother fuckers are sitting pretty with a rookie HC and QB and see what JR doesn't:
We were in 1st place in the division this time last year. This year, aren't we 1/2 game behind them and will be ahead of them if we win?
Not sure how pretty they are sitting.
Well, when you consider they'll finish at worst 2-1 vs Pitt, Minny, and GB (all in Philly, somehow) and we'll likely go 0-3, that's a huge difference.
Here we go again with this shit. Chalking up wins and losses weeks in advance.
How'd that turn out for you last year Boss?
And who is to say one is available?
Pretty dumb to criticize based on a theoretical