And Hart also possibly knocked off Newhouse from his spot. The draft steal that no one talks about.
You know, Hart has been a pleasant surprise this season. He was not good in the preseason, though... pretty terrible. So I think some people, myself included, are still withholding judgement to see if this is really real from Hart, or if he's going to revert back to how he performed in the preseason. Obviously, it would be great if he could continue to improve and make RT a strength.
I'm not sure how you can say any of the five offensive lineman
has been a pleasant surprise. The run game is awful for a reason. I wouldn't even say the pass protection is stellar either--we just get the ball out so fast it doesn't matter as much.
has been a pleasant surprise. The run game is awful for a reason. I wouldn't even say the pass protection is stellar either--we just get the ball out so fast it doesn't matter as much.
He's in his sophomore year and hasn't been completely busted up outside of the Packers game, despite us going against four top tier defenses in four of five of his starts.
When the same basic line underperforms under two separate coaches, who both previously fielded lines considered to be the best in the league, it's pretty dumb to point the finger at coaching as the issue.
When the same basic line underperforms under two separate coaches, who both previously fielded lines considered to be the best in the league, it's pretty dumb to point the finger at coaching as the issue.
Amen. We really don't have one dominant lineman. I know many have said that Pugh is having a great year, but we still can't run over him for one yard.
RE: McAdoo said a while ago Beatty was ready to go
That's obviously not what's keeping him on the bench.
You have to keep in mind, Beatty is an unknown quantity for these coaches. During the week the focus is on implementing a game plan. To take a leap of faith and insert a guy you never saw before outside of scout team directly into the starting lineup is not likely unless the current guy was so bad you had no choice.
The bye week is the time they can really focus on self scouting. We'll know a lot more about Beatty when they return to the field.
Flowers hasn't been great, but he's been a serviceable OLT. That's a problem because we picked him high and had higher expectations for him, but he hasn't outright flopped.
Pugh has been very good thus far. Jerry has been serviceable as well, no great shakes but he's held his own against some good rushers.
Newhouse was iffy, and was replaced by similarly iffy in Hart, if not a slight improvement with Hart.
The guy who really concerns me is Richburg. He looks like something is wrong - not sure whether one of the changes did it (change in scheme, change in strength and conditioning), whether he's nursing an injury, or he's just outright regressed, but he does not look good this year. In fact, on several occasions he's looked to be the very clear weak link on this line.
Let's hope whatever Richburg has wrong with him is correctable and gets cleared up pronto.
Flowers hasn't been great, but he's been a serviceable OLT. That's a problem because we picked him high and had higher expectations for him, but he hasn't outright flopped.
Pugh has been very good thus far. Jerry has been serviceable as well, no great shakes but he's held his own against some good rushers.
Newhouse was iffy, and was replaced by similarly iffy in Hart, if not a slight improvement with Hart.
The guy who really concerns me is Richburg. He looks like something is wrong - not sure whether one of the changes did it (change in scheme, change in strength and conditioning), whether he's nursing an injury, or he's just outright regressed, but he does not look good this year. In fact, on several occasions he's looked to be the very clear weak link on this line.
Let's hope whatever Richburg has wrong with him is correctable and gets cleared up pronto.
Good analysis. Right now, RIchburg is the weakest link on the line. That is very disappointing considering that we thought that he and Pugh were the strongest components of the OL.
He also isn't going to help whatever is ailing Richburg. Jerry, Pugh, and Hart are doing okay at worst IMO. Flowers can run block and his pass blocking has been atrocious to good throughout the year so far. His problem is consistency is my take.
Beatty is probably the best backup tackle in the league as ridiculous as that sounds. That is assuming he is healthy and motivated of course. Don't sort I'm sure a rash of injuries will have us shortly starting Newhouse, jones, and Beatty.
Any player until he see's in game action ...
If they don't at least attempt to shake up this offensive
line or add a competent starter this season will surely
go down the tubes .
Its now or never with it being a bye week and there
already in a bind with the way the rest of the division
is playing . We got one up on the Cowboys thats all
we can hang our hats on right now .
Some how some way they need to upend Philly with the
way the team is currently constructed I doubt we have any
kind of chance at competing for a Division Tittle .
he appeared on the injury report frequently in the offseason/preseason so wonder if he has a lingering injury
that is affecting him?
this team badly needs an OL upgrade if they could land joe thomas for a reasonable trade its def worth considering but would they move flowers?
as a thomas trade would in all likelihood means he would be LT move fowers to RT they should find running the ball much better and give eli better pass protection to go for more deep throws that the WR corp they have need at this point
with the defence improving week by week especially in the secondry they could be ready for 2007 type resurgence that team didnt look like a superbowl team in that game against miami in london and neither did the team on sunday but they took time to click and improved this team has the chance to do the same
the difference was the 2007 OL was way better than this lot an upgrade at OT and they could be ready to challenge?
is the predictability of the offense. We all know our running game is out of the shotgun coming straight up the middle, alot of times out of a delayed hand off on 1st down. Well, other teams know too.
According to Football Outsiders the Giants run between the guards on 68% of their running plays. That's tied for fourth highest in the league behind Oakland (74%), Jacksonville (71%), San Francisco (69%) and tied with Houston. However when running up the middle, the Giants are averaging 3.27 in Adjusted Line Yards, a FO metric, which is 28th in the league. Of those four teams, SF (32) and JAX (29) are behind us and OAK (9) and HOU (15) are ahead of us. The difference? Only Oakland and Houston carry a fullback. If you're going to be that predictable you have to help your line out. Instead we keep going to the same dry well expecting to draw water. I don't know which (if any) FB's are available but as been said many times from here to Rich Eisen, the Giants will help the offense and themselves when they try something or anything different.
to Jon's point of not disrupting the (so-called) chemistry by changing position, not sure why WB can't be inserted in the TE position when the play calls for TE to be in-line. If Beatty can't block better than Donnell, Tye or Adams, he should never have been re-signed. Seems to be a no-lose experiment.
allstarjim on Hart: I think his worst performances came when he was suddenly wrenched out of the right side of the line, where he had been alternating between RG and RT in exhibitions, and was inserted at LG, where the move/change or the position itself simply seemed to tank his performance. Before that, he had looked somewhat serviceable.
You know, Hart has been a pleasant surprise this season. He was not good in the preseason, though... pretty terrible. So I think some people, myself included, are still withholding judgement to see if this is really real from Hart, or if he's going to revert back to how he performed in the preseason. Obviously, it would be great if he could continue to improve and make RT a strength.
He's in his sophomore year and hasn't been completely busted up outside of the Packers game, despite us going against four top tier defenses in four of five of his starts.
I am beginning to question the new OL coach.....this line seemed to play better last year...and we thought they sucked last year...
As for Beatty, he must have fallen off a cliff, if he has been practicing all this time...
Amen. We really don't have one dominant lineman. I know many have said that Pugh is having a great year, but we still can't run over him for one yard.
The bye week is the time they can really focus on self scouting. We'll know a lot more about Beatty when they return to the field.
Upgrades aren't coming until next offseason, root for the guys in the lineup.
Flowers hasn't been great, but he's been a serviceable OLT. That's a problem because we picked him high and had higher expectations for him, but he hasn't outright flopped.
Pugh has been very good thus far. Jerry has been serviceable as well, no great shakes but he's held his own against some good rushers.
Newhouse was iffy, and was replaced by similarly iffy in Hart, if not a slight improvement with Hart.
The guy who really concerns me is Richburg. He looks like something is wrong - not sure whether one of the changes did it (change in scheme, change in strength and conditioning), whether he's nursing an injury, or he's just outright regressed, but he does not look good this year. In fact, on several occasions he's looked to be the very clear weak link on this line.
Let's hope whatever Richburg has wrong with him is correctable and gets cleared up pronto.
Flowers hasn't been great, but he's been a serviceable OLT. That's a problem because we picked him high and had higher expectations for him, but he hasn't outright flopped.
Pugh has been very good thus far. Jerry has been serviceable as well, no great shakes but he's held his own against some good rushers.
Newhouse was iffy, and was replaced by similarly iffy in Hart, if not a slight improvement with Hart.
The guy who really concerns me is Richburg. He looks like something is wrong - not sure whether one of the changes did it (change in scheme, change in strength and conditioning), whether he's nursing an injury, or he's just outright regressed, but he does not look good this year. In fact, on several occasions he's looked to be the very clear weak link on this line.
Let's hope whatever Richburg has wrong with him is correctable and gets cleared up pronto.
Good analysis. Right now, RIchburg is the weakest link on the line. That is very disappointing considering that we thought that he and Pugh were the strongest components of the OL.
Beatty is probably the best backup tackle in the league as ridiculous as that sounds. That is assuming he is healthy and motivated of course. Don't sort I'm sure a rash of injuries will have us shortly starting Newhouse, jones, and Beatty.
If they don't at least attempt to shake up this offensive
line or add a competent starter this season will surely
go down the tubes .
Its now or never with it being a bye week and there
already in a bind with the way the rest of the division
is playing . We got one up on the Cowboys thats all
we can hang our hats on right now .
Some how some way they need to upend Philly with the
way the team is currently constructed I doubt we have any
kind of chance at competing for a Division Tittle .
May be the price you pay for mobility.
that is affecting him?
this team badly needs an OL upgrade if they could land joe thomas for a reasonable trade its def worth considering but would they move flowers?
as a thomas trade would in all likelihood means he would be LT move fowers to RT they should find running the ball much better and give eli better pass protection to go for more deep throws that the WR corp they have need at this point
with the defence improving week by week especially in the secondry they could be ready for 2007 type resurgence that team didnt look like a superbowl team in that game against miami in london and neither did the team on sunday but they took time to click and improved this team has the chance to do the same
the difference was the 2007 OL was way better than this lot an upgrade at OT and they could be ready to challenge?
According to Football Outsiders the Giants run between the guards on 68% of their running plays. That's tied for fourth highest in the league behind Oakland (74%), Jacksonville (71%), San Francisco (69%) and tied with Houston. However when running up the middle, the Giants are averaging 3.27 in Adjusted Line Yards, a FO metric, which is 28th in the league. Of those four teams, SF (32) and JAX (29) are behind us and OAK (9) and HOU (15) are ahead of us. The difference? Only Oakland and Houston carry a fullback. If you're going to be that predictable you have to help your line out. Instead we keep going to the same dry well expecting to draw water. I don't know which (if any) FB's are available but as been said many times from here to Rich Eisen, the Giants will help the offense and themselves when they try something or anything different.
allstarjim on Hart: I think his worst performances came when he was suddenly wrenched out of the right side of the line, where he had been alternating between RG and RT in exhibitions, and was inserted at LG, where the move/change or the position itself simply seemed to tank his performance. Before that, he had looked somewhat serviceable.