but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
Mark Easson @myNHLTradeRumor
Going off of @CapFriendly 's numbers, Ducks need to clear at least $1,419,803 in cap space ... $775,000 for Etem put them at about $645,000
Someone in my class said he's hearing (Donald Trump hearing)
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
They extended him as a matter of asset management. They'd consider trading him because it's not great to have 3 dmen playing the same side making 5.25, 5, and 4 million respectively. Though I think that issue is overblown a bit.
Also, they have to protect Bieksa because of his NMC, meaning that one of Lindholm, Vat, or Fowler will be exposed in the expansion draft if not traded. Alternatively, they can protect 8 skaters instead of 7 F and 3 D, but that's not ideal either -- Perry, Getz, and Kessler have NMCs, so with those Ds that's 7/8 protections. It would probably cost them Rackell (who they just extended for 23/6) or Silfverberg (15/4). Those two are probably just as important as Vat for Fowler to the Ducks.
Carlyle is known as uniquely terrible for possession numbers, so if you're going to have to trade a D, do it now before the market starts devaluing your players due to poor advanced metrics.
RE: RE: I know it is tough to sit guys after a loss
but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
TBH, it's a crime if McIlrath gets back in before Clendo. AC has outplayed McIlrath (and Holden, KK, and Girardi) so far.
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
It does, and that's how you're supposed to shoot. Naturally left-handed people should be right handed shots and vice versa.
My father didn't know any better and bought me a righty stick because I am right-handed, like a lot of parents would do and I played righty my whole life.
I almost made the same mistake with my youngest. I just bought her a righty stick and handed it to her, but I was watching her instincts as soon as they gave her a puck and it was obvious she was a lefty. She was two-days in when I fixed my mistake.
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
Agree and same. I'm righty and shoot lefty, but was taught to shoot righty. Never felt right
That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
I'm a righty, but I feel more comfortable shooting right-handed. I can shoot left-handed, but I don't feel as comfortable doing it.
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Even with Jooris eligible for IR, Rangers weren't going to keep 8 defensemen...hence, McIlrath on waivers...probably 50/50 on claim.
With this team way too often. You just knew he had played his last game as a ranger when God forbid he received a bad penalty call in the 2nd period of a 3-1 game and then didn't see the ice in the third.
Maybe he won't be a great defender but he is already better than Holden. Unfortunately I guess he didn't pass Patrick Roy's eye test or he'd still be here.
if we've been shopping him, we must know if someone was willing to offer anything, even a #7. If some team was offering a late round pick, why would we waive him and lose him for nothing to that team? Maybe my logic is off.
In any event, my guess is he wont amount to even an average NHL dman. But in part that's because he wasnt developed here and given a chance. He was a good AHL dman.
by the kid. At this point I'm mostly hoping someone claims him to give him a shot and we can move on. A lot of good happening in the organization this season despite this screw up.
...if it's well known that a team is trying to unload a marginal player and will waive him if they can't find a deal, unless you had unusually strong opinions on that player, why trade anything when you can just claim him for nothing?
Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
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Despres is on LTIR so Ducks save on cap there... Bob Murray said the Simon Despres situation is a "sensitive issue" and intimated it'll be a long-term thing. Wouldn't elaborate.
RE: How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins
He filled a need. They have nobody now that sends a message. Like when Girardi got hit in the head last night. Who's standing up in that situation now?
Is that the Rangers look fantastic, Girardi is playing good hockey if you fucking cry babies could stop whining for a second and watch the game without your fucking I am right ego's at work for once.
This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.
We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.
Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
You miss the point which is what I was doing for way too long. It's not relevant whether he is doing well or badly. it's not relevant that he was supposed to be out a while but plays injured because he's that type of player. The guys here have turned playing hard through major injuries as selfish and harming the team (we don't have enough Holden at 20min per game...he should be getting 29).
No the point is that if there is a Ranger game we wait and see where we can find a time someone did something good on the other team and blame #5 for it. For instance in game one i think it was, a puck was shot off a pad and bounced oddly off the boards. EIther way, it bouced CLOSE to Giardi and passed him where an elite forward picked it up and spun it the other way. Obvuiously JT is no match for a charging elite forward so he gets floppy and beaten for the goal. The quote here was "no need to discuss what wa a clear flub at the blueline by Girardi leading to a BREAKAWAY).
And that sums up the rest of his time here. That and the booing in my section by sewage with tickets who read that he sucks on some site they think keeps them at the cutting edge of analysis. The same blog that screamed about goalue depth and forward depth. None of it matters nor makes sense. No one will admit they sounded silly, and most will come here everyday to talk about the same thing because there's even a buncg of peole who would much rather be "right" than cheer Girardi for blasting a game winner home or comingb back from an injury that costs a baseball player 4 weeks.
This is all while the team is fucking joyous to watch and as fun as its been, you have to remind yourself it was negarive when the team went to the FInals. it is what it is here.
This place has been pretty damned upbeat about the way the team has played so far, and the bashing has been mostly of Holden (which is the right target even if the criticism has been super strong).
When the discussion turns to the long term asset management of the team from here out (expansion, etc), the tone around Girardi is negative. There isn't any denying that. But of course it's negative. It isn't a good contract value-wise at this point, and the NMC is an issue.
By and large, people have been pretty fair with he Warrior so far this season.
Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
At least he hit the puck, we have a saying in Men's league when a guy fans on a one-timer and misses the puck and falls in the process it's called the "fake shot fall" move. It's hilarious when it happens in a game with a mid-30's - mid-40 year old doing it.
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
Because they need cap space and because Stoner is essentially untradeable and Bieksa has a NTC
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
Going off of @CapFriendly 's numbers, Ducks need to clear at least $1,419,803 in cap space ... $775,000 for Etem put them at about $645,000
Probably bullshit. Probably barbershop talk but stay tuned.
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@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
They extended him as a matter of asset management. They'd consider trading him because it's not great to have 3 dmen playing the same side making 5.25, 5, and 4 million respectively. Though I think that issue is overblown a bit.
Also, they have to protect Bieksa because of his NMC, meaning that one of Lindholm, Vat, or Fowler will be exposed in the expansion draft if not traded. Alternatively, they can protect 8 skaters instead of 7 F and 3 D, but that's not ideal either -- Perry, Getz, and Kessler have NMCs, so with those Ds that's 7/8 protections. It would probably cost them Rackell (who they just extended for 23/6) or Silfverberg (15/4). Those two are probably just as important as Vat for Fowler to the Ducks.
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but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
TBH, it's a crime if McIlrath gets back in before Clendo. AC has outplayed McIlrath (and Holden, KK, and Girardi) so far.
He's got one year left after this season then he's a UFA and talent wise you can make a case Vatanen is a better fit/need with their roster.
R/L is more of an issue with certain coaches, a lot of D like playing opposite side, especially in the offensive zone.
I couldn't do it, but I was supposed to be a lefty anyway, my father just didn't know shit when he got me a stick.
It does, and that's how you're supposed to shoot. Naturally left-handed people should be right handed shots and vice versa.
My father didn't know any better and bought me a righty stick because I am right-handed, like a lot of parents would do and I played righty my whole life.
I almost made the same mistake with my youngest. I just bought her a righty stick and handed it to her, but I was watching her instincts as soon as they gave her a puck and it was obvious she was a lefty. She was two-days in when I fixed my mistake.
Agree and same. I'm righty and shoot lefty, but was taught to shoot righty. Never felt right
Hate.
That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
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That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
I'm a righty, but I feel more comfortable shooting right-handed. I can shoot left-handed, but I don't feel as comfortable doing it.
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Even with Jooris eligible for IR, Rangers weren't going to keep 8 defensemen...hence, McIlrath on waivers...probably 50/50 on claim.
Maybe that is why I sucked?
Hate to constantly bitch about the coach he just has such strange logic sometimes.
In any event, I recently read that if McIlrath does not play 42 games in the NHL this season, he becomes a Group IV free agent.
Since they could have simply placed Jooris and IR and didn't, I gotta believe a deal is coming soon.
Maybe he won't be a great defender but he is already better than Holden. Unfortunately I guess he didn't pass Patrick Roy's eye test or he'd still be here.
In any event, I recently read that if McIlrath does not play 42 games in the NHL this season, he becomes a Group IV free agent.
I don't think you can pull him back. Not 100% sure, but if he's claimed, he's gone
They've been trying to deal #6 for two months. I think they are just going to let him go at this point.
In any event, my guess is he wont amount to even an average NHL dman. But in part that's because he wasnt developed here and given a chance. He was a good AHL dman.
Blues (Shattenkirk) waived Paajarvi
Ducks (Vatanen and Fowler) extended Lindholm and put Nate Thompson on LTIR
And we waived McIlrath
Moving pieces!!!!!
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I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.
The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.
1. Both play an up tempo game without a true checking line.
2. Both don't have the stingiest of defense
Similar "style" albeit with much different personnel.
Sidenote...Zucc or Kreider would be IDEAL forwards on Crosby's wing.
Or Mike in Long Beach.
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especially up front. There is no Crosby or Malkin, or even a Kessel on the Rangers.
I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.
The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.
1. Both play an up tempo game without a true checking line.
2. Both don't have the stingiest of defense
Similar "style" albeit with much different personnel.
Sidenote...Zucc or Kreider would be IDEAL forwards on Crosby's wing.
Well to be fair, that's half the league that wants to play that style.
the personnel makes the teams very different.
especially on specials.
penguins D were mostly jags and letang, but I think in the playoffs a couple of those guys proved to be a little underrated.
This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.
We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.
Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
You miss the point which is what I was doing for way too long. It's not relevant whether he is doing well or badly. it's not relevant that he was supposed to be out a while but plays injured because he's that type of player. The guys here have turned playing hard through major injuries as selfish and harming the team (we don't have enough Holden at 20min per game...he should be getting 29).
No the point is that if there is a Ranger game we wait and see where we can find a time someone did something good on the other team and blame #5 for it. For instance in game one i think it was, a puck was shot off a pad and bounced oddly off the boards. EIther way, it bouced CLOSE to Giardi and passed him where an elite forward picked it up and spun it the other way. Obvuiously JT is no match for a charging elite forward so he gets floppy and beaten for the goal. The quote here was "no need to discuss what wa a clear flub at the blueline by Girardi leading to a BREAKAWAY).
And that sums up the rest of his time here. That and the booing in my section by sewage with tickets who read that he sucks on some site they think keeps them at the cutting edge of analysis. The same blog that screamed about goalue depth and forward depth. None of it matters nor makes sense. No one will admit they sounded silly, and most will come here everyday to talk about the same thing because there's even a buncg of peole who would much rather be "right" than cheer Girardi for blasting a game winner home or comingb back from an injury that costs a baseball player 4 weeks.
This is all while the team is fucking joyous to watch and as fun as its been, you have to remind yourself it was negarive when the team went to the FInals. it is what it is here.
Not very self-aware.
When the discussion turns to the long term asset management of the team from here out (expansion, etc), the tone around Girardi is negative. There isn't any denying that. But of course it's negative. It isn't a good contract value-wise at this point, and the NMC is an issue.
By and large, people have been pretty fair with he Warrior so far this season.
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
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Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
At least he hit the puck, we have a saying in Men's league when a guy fans on a one-timer and misses the puck and falls in the process it's called the "fake shot fall" move. It's hilarious when it happens in a game with a mid-30's - mid-40 year old doing it.
not so hilarious when a pro does it.
Here is an example of fake shot fall