Brett Cyrgalis @BrettCyrgalis 21h21 hours ago
Vigneault said he doesn't expect Kreider for tomorrow, he "might be more than day-to-day." Buchnevich might be ready to play Friday. #NYR
are terrible. Marchand, Bergeron, Krejci, and Pastrnak and a bunch of jags, including Backes who was a terrible signing. Ryan Spooner has some skill, but he's on their 3rd line.
Chara looks like he's 100 years old and Krug is as finnesse a player as you can be and play top 4 D. He should be on power play like an extra forward.
Speed gives them major problems.
I think both Rask and Khudobin are injured. Malcolm Subban? LOL what a disaster.
I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......
I like the Celtics.
I said Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are good the rest of the forwards are jags. other than Spooner, but on the 3rd line, that 3rd line, his talent is wasted.
When you look at all the talent that has left Boston the past 4 years or so it's comical.
about looking for a top-four D-man ... realistically, what's the cost in trade? I wonder if they'd deal a Hayes.
Ideally, I think they would want to deal Nash. Realistically, I think Miller is the one being dangled. Maybe Zuccarello, but in my eyes: Zuccarello > Miller > Hayes. I don't think they'd trade Hayes considering he was a huge part in recruiting Vesey.
I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......
I like the Celtics.
I said Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are good the rest of the forwards are jags. other than Spooner, but on the 3rd line, that 3rd line, his talent is wasted.
When you look at all the talent that has left Boston the past 4 years or so it's comical.
Oppps, sorry!!!! I should learn to read lol
Zero goal tending right now isn't helping.......
Shit, I think I'd rather face Rask considering how poorly we've done
I think the thinking behind some fans is that he's almost 30 and he's supposedly unhappy given the fact that we've traded his BFFs. I think it's silly. He's still one of our best players and, IMO, the heart and soul of the team.
or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?
Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.
The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?
Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.
The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
Basically, Girardi is not only an albatross salary cap wise, but also play-wise and the fact that AV, for God knows what reason, loves the pairing of him and McDonagh.
or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?
Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.
The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
Basically, Girardi is not only an albatross salary cap wise, but also play-wise and the fact that AV, for God knows what reason, loves the pairing of him and McDonagh.
In my opinion the biggest problem with Girardi is role, not salary. He might be fine as a 3rd pair guy, even a heavy use 3rd paid given that Skjei is good. Although Girardi's possession stats were bad on the 3rd pair last game (the whole team's possession stats were rotten tho).
is 32 years old. Signing a 32 year old to a 5 year 30M deal to me is never good unless your team is a player or two away and you are adding a solid veteran presence to a "championship" core.
The Bruins are not that.
They should have just paid Louie Eriksson the same money and kept him. Eriksson is a LW, Backes as C which makes him a 3rd line center. which IMO is less value that a top 4 winger - and Eriksson is a better offensive player.
Just seemed like signing a player to fill a hole but the player didn't really fill the hole they had.
I keep an eye on the Trouba situation. I'd trade Hayes + for Trouba.
I would too, but I doubt Winnipeg would. They want a LHD of Trouba's caliber.
Still debating in my head whether to do Miller + Skjei for Trouba. IDK
I wouldnt do that. Skjei on cheap contracts for the next 5 years could be nearly as valuable as Trouba if you immediately have to pay him 6.5+ per. It's still not at all clear if Trouba will develop a full two way game or if he's just another Marc Staal (good version). Whereas Skjei will be (IMO) at a minimum a good defensive #3, and Miller is tracking to be a better version of Callahan.
Im not opposed to moving Miller or Hayes, but Im not excited about it. And if I move them, I'd like to get back a proven offensive talent on the blue line.
Hags is having a terrible start. 1-0-1 in 7 games with CF% and FF% below 40. Though brutal 62.7% dzone starts.
Talbot may be 5-1-0, but it's with a 2.75 GAA and okay 91.9% SV. Not sure you can credit him for a bunch of Oilers players improving, McDavid being McJesus, and good offseason upgrades like turning Hall into Larsson + Lucic.
Hags is having a terrible start. 1-0-1 in 7 games with CF% and FF% below 40. Though brutal 62.7% dzone starts.
Talbot may be 5-1-0, but it's with a 2.75 GAA and okay 91.9% SV. Not sure you can credit him for a bunch of Oilers players improving, McDavid being McJesus, and good offseason upgrades like turning Hall into Larsson + Lucic.
I was referring more to last year regarding Hagelin. This year to Talbot.
Talbot was named first star of the week, I believe
Brett Cyrgalis @BrettCyrgalis 21h21 hours ago
Vigneault said he doesn't expect Kreider for tomorrow, he "might be more than day-to-day." Buchnevich might be ready to play Friday. #NYR
Good because I'll be at the game against the Canes and I want to see the kid play.
RE: Talbot was named first star of the week, I believe
It's worth looking at what we got back. It's hard to follow, but I know we wouldnt have gotten Gropp, who the team loves, thought was a top 10 talent, and who has physical attributes that sound like Kreider. Not clear if we'd have Kovacs, who is a nice wing prospect. And Im pretty sure we wouldnt have Zborovskiy, who is a 6'4 Russian dman who is just killing it in the WHL right now. 1-7-8 +17 in 9 games.
It's worth looking at what we got back. It's hard to follow, but I know we wouldnt have gotten Gropp, who the team loves, thought was a top 10 talent, and who has physical attributes that sound like Kreider. Not clear if we'd have Kovacs, who is a nice wing prospect. And Im pretty sure we wouldnt have Zborovskiy, who is a 6'4 Russian dman who is just killing it in the WHL right now. 1-7-8 +17 in 9 games.
It's still too early to judge, but I think it's right to question whether we got too little for both Talbot and Hagelin.
They DID love him, but now they've sent him back to the WHL as a 20 year old.
Fair. My feeling is that it is difficult for power forwards to develop when they cant physically dominate. So you want the PF to spend an extra year in junior, and extra year in the AHL. This time lets them work on aspects of the game (like being an immovable horse) that you cant develop when you're playing against guys you dont have a physical advantage over.
from around the league that the Rangers sold too low on Hags. I think he was underestimated around the league. How much do you give for a mid-30s point player who you have to pay $4 million/per for? Even if he plays good defense and drives possession numbers?
Also, if we have Hags now, who is the 4th liner? Vesey, Buch, or Hags? Does Vesey sign here if it looks like we have Kreider, Zucc, Nash, Miller, Buch, and Hagelin as wings already?
trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.
so when the did trade him it seemed like a letdown.
In the past 20 years the Canadiens traded Roy, Theodore, Thibault, Halak, Budaj, Huet, Tokarski, and so many more - no one trades goalies like the Canadiens you just don't get what you think you will for goalies. Especially mostly unproven or to that point predominantly backup goalies.
Well of course Hagelin (and Stralman) were underrated
by the entire league. The best GMs - e.g., Theo Epstein - are ahead of the curve in their decisions.
Dont get me wrong, I love Gorton's past offseason, so hopefully we don't fuck up like this going forward because realistically if we want Hank to get one we cannot afford to.
But it is sad when most of BBI knew right away how bad these two decisions were. That's the frustrating part... along with Anaheim dumping him for peanuts 3 months later.
trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.
Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.
GoldenTee loves the Patriots and Celtics as well as the Penguins. Color me shocked.
Not like that....I'm not of fan of those two...I'm happy if they win...but there not my teams.
Everybody usually has some group of teams they like but don't love/live and die with and some they hate.
Fan: Giants
Like (when not impacting Giants): Pats
Hate: 49ers
Rick Carpinello got laid off at the journal news. Too bad, his game recaps were always must reads for me the day after. Rangers Report - ( New Window )
the single biggest anchor around their necks is exactly what many of
us said it would be at the time - signing both Staal and Girardi to big money contracts. Staal now plays at the level of a 3rd pairing defenseman and Girardi is one of the very worst defensemen in hockey, but together they eat up 15% of the team's cap.
trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.
Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.
I'm not saying there wasn't demand for Talbot, I'm just saying the potential returns leaked were possibly exaggerated setting fans up to be disappointed - I think the return for Talbot was about right.
Talbot was pretty much a known commodity. Lehner still isn't as old as Talbot when Talbot made his NHL debut and Lehner has been in the league 7 years, he (Lehner) has been the "next big goalie" for a long time. Never panned out.
I think he was still thought of as having a higher ceiling than Talbot, but also a lower floor.
Rick Carpinello got laid off at the journal news. Too bad, his game recaps were always must reads for me the day after. Rangers Report - ( New Window )
Not the biggest fan of Carp, but depressing to see a lot of good guys get laid off.
I think the bloggers do some great work across the league. I read BSB over Brooks most of the time, for example.
I actually read the Cyrgalis puff piece on Holden that Brett mentioned earlier. Dear. God. I didn't think my opinion of Vigneault could sink lower, but this will do it:
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It was funny, we were coming back from Buffalo, I got a call as I got off the plane in Ottawa from Patrick Roy saying to me, You just got one of my better defensemen, Vigneault remembered
A)Awesome, one of the better defensemen from an awful defense!
B)Vigneault is going with Patrick Roy's ace scouting reports now. How wonderful.
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I talked to [Roy] about it at that time, How do you see him? Vigneault said. He told us he could be anywhere from a fourth to a sixth defenseman on a good team
And that explains why he's playing....um....on the top pair?
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Although much of the talk has been about how fast and offensively explosive they have looked thus far, the fact they are stout in their own end again is equally encouraging and that is due in part to the steadiness of Holden.
Yep, that's what they've been - stout in their own end!
"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.
Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):
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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."
I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.
RE: RE: I don't like the sound of the Kreider thing.
"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.
Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):
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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."
I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.
Unbelievable they signed Girardi and Staal to these albatross contracts and then let Stralman sign with TB for way less.
And as fate would have it, TB beats us in the finals, with Stralman moving the puck like a dream. Also, if you keep Stralman, the Yandle deal likely never happens and Rangers still have the Duke.
pointless in 6 games. His 20 goals from last season are almost certainly a bit of a mirage, since his 19% shooting percentage is such an outlier. Let's be generous and say he'd be a 13 percent shooter (ie. higher than wings Kane and Ovie). His goal output falls to 14 in 81 games; Hagelin's rookie year pace was almost 18 had he played 81 games.
Just sayin'. The legend of Duclair is getting away from itself. Reminds me of the time a rookie Prucha score 30, on 23.1% shooting.
he's killing it right now. These spasms that players have gotten keep allowing the team to keep too many players. I don't doubt that that Buchnevich, Kreider and Klein have had some discomfort. I just don't quite believe it's REALLY bad enough that they would have had to miss multiple games and go on IR. Just a convenient injury is all...
If everyone is healthy enough to play what's your move? Send Skjei to Hartford? Put Jooris on waivers and either lose him to another team or he decides to take that offer in Switzerland? Waive McIlrath and lose him for nothing?
I just think Gorton is legitimately looking to make a trade that will fix the 24 man roster issue and prevent us from having to lose a player for nothing.
I think he's terribly replacable. I think they will do that, or waive/trade McIlrath. Indeed, if we had more flexibility, I think AV would prefer having Boo up over Jooris.
Im not convinced Jooris is materially better than Hrivik, Jensen, Nieves, or Fontaine. Jooris seems to define "marginal roster player", and given our lack of recallable depth, it seems obvious that you risk losing him vs. McIlrath. Even though carrying 8 D's is weird. It's a little odd to me that the only NHL experience we have on D in Hartford is Chris Summers.
2 assists in 6 games with no PP time. 2nd on team in hits (Kreider). 51.4 CF% 52 FF% (both 3rd among Ds after Clendo and McD). 50/50 zone starts.
Rangers came into the season as a bubble playoff team. Even if we're better than that, every seed counts. Im not demoting Skjei to protect the likes of Josh Jooris as a 14th forward.
I'm referring to a situation where they're pretty far along in talks and just not quite there. IF there's a trade happening, there's a pretty good chance jooris would be your 12th forward after the trade, in which case you don't want to lose him while the plane is on the runway.
But, I'm less hawkish on trading any of the forwards for D than most seem to be, so Skjei should stay up and play if I had my druthers.
We would have to trade 2 forwards to make Jooris #12
Watching some of the Isles game against Montreal, pretty funny how they get to face Montoya tonight instead of the perfectly healthy Carey Price. Must be nice.
Watching some of the Isles game against Montreal, pretty funny how they get to face Montoya tonight instead of the perfectly healthy Carey Price. Must be nice.
He's not Price, but Montoya has been fantastic this year. I was against the signing when I learned about it, but he's the best backup I've seen in MTL in a long long time.
If fucking Holden doesn't hit the press box after tonight, my head in going to explode. If that had been McIlrath, he'd be out of ths lineup for six weeks.
I give up. I wanted to believe AV learned something this past offseason, but apparently dominating the first couple of games possession and shot wise wasnt challenging enough for coach.
"Rover," who seemed ok for a bit or at least didn't trip my radar let it slip on some thread something about attendance comparisons. And I thought no way... this can't be him. Then he did it again. The fucker just can't resist. Weirdo festish for attendance numbers and a desire to root for multiple teams in the same division.
both studio guys intimated that it was even a borderline penalty as they stated a foot was still touching the ice when the hit came.
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I rewound it and watched the hit on Girardi again
Greg from LI : 9:56 pm : link : reply
It's criminal that it was only a minor. Fucker left his feet to lay a blindside hit to the head.
I thought both feet were off the ice and there was a clear intent to hit the head.
Is that the Rangers look fantastic, Girardi is playing good hockey if you fucking cry babies could stop whining for a second and watch the game without your fucking I am right ego's at work for once.
This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.
We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.
Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
I'm not going to bother talking about Girardi anymore because it's a moot point, but Clendening belongs on ice and Holden belongs in a suit during games.
this offseason. The forward depth is fantastic and AV should get some credit (if we're gonna rip him for the D) for trusting some of this kids and empowering them to utilize their talent in the best ways
I think it should be Holden's time to sit. Tough night for him, Clendening deserves to get back in. And frankly, other than McD, none of the other defenseman are head and shoulders above the rest. Nobody should be sitting for an extended period.
The defense is suspect, but they have in house options they need to play before going to the market.
If you think Holden and Girardi need to be in the lineup at all times over Clendening and McIlrath, then I would like to roll you a fat doobie, light it and tell you that you're wrong.
It's not hating on the former to expect development over a long season of the latter.
Yes, Seth, I enjoyed this win. Still need to think about the way this roster is deployed to see how they can deal from strength come trade deadline.
Ive been late on this development, but I thought that while he made some mistakes last year, he is a big tough guy who can skate and has decent skill. Am I missing something? He reminded me of Michael Sauer pre injury. He is being mentioned in trades and yet it seems we have a D or two that are not as promising as he is. Holden for example. What am I missing. I dont follow the farm nearly as much as some of you guys but I saw thus guy as maybe being Girardi's heir as team badass.
Sorry if this is an old convo, but I would hate to lose his game. While tough guys dont have as much of a role, this guy has skill. Would love our own version of Brent Seabrooke to go with some of our other youth.
They've been trying to deal him for a month but no one is interested ... Or they are just waiting for him to be put on waivers. I saw enough positive last year that if he were exposed I'd pounce personally.
Hopefully - all respect to jooris - but they were probably cutting or demoting mcilraith this weekend when Buch came back.... Now not so sure what happens with jooris out a while.
Hayes looks like a different player. One of the the announcers apparently agrees, commenting that he may be the most improved player in the NHL
The weight he lost has made a huge difference. Not sure if it's changed his top speed, but you can see it in his change of direction and his burst. It makes it easier to see that he's back checking hard, committed to being a two-way C, and not "lazy" as he'd been labeled previously (which I think was at least partially due to his previously below average skating/acceleration)
He's also made huge strides at the dots, and now even takes a bunch of DZ draws. We all shit on the importance of faceoffs (myself included), and to a great extent it's justified, but it sure is nice not to be getting dominated in that facet.
RE: How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins
Have your or have you not been made infamous over a viral Youtube video?
Yes, I answered you in the other thread you asked. Ancient history.
Greg - They look better than I thought they would look. I only skimmed the pre-game portion of this thread, but saw Clendening's name mentioned...they need to get him back in the lineup. Why isn't Klein on the top line?
but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
Mark Easson @myNHLTradeRumor
Going off of @CapFriendly 's numbers, Ducks need to clear at least $1,419,803 in cap space ... $775,000 for Etem put them at about $645,000
Someone in my class said he's hearing (Donald Trump hearing)
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
They extended him as a matter of asset management. They'd consider trading him because it's not great to have 3 dmen playing the same side making 5.25, 5, and 4 million respectively. Though I think that issue is overblown a bit.
Also, they have to protect Bieksa because of his NMC, meaning that one of Lindholm, Vat, or Fowler will be exposed in the expansion draft if not traded. Alternatively, they can protect 8 skaters instead of 7 F and 3 D, but that's not ideal either -- Perry, Getz, and Kessler have NMCs, so with those Ds that's 7/8 protections. It would probably cost them Rackell (who they just extended for 23/6) or Silfverberg (15/4). Those two are probably just as important as Vat for Fowler to the Ducks.
Carlyle is known as uniquely terrible for possession numbers, so if you're going to have to trade a D, do it now before the market starts devaluing your players due to poor advanced metrics.
RE: RE: I know it is tough to sit guys after a loss
but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
TBH, it's a crime if McIlrath gets back in before Clendo. AC has outplayed McIlrath (and Holden, KK, and Girardi) so far.
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
It does, and that's how you're supposed to shoot. Naturally left-handed people should be right handed shots and vice versa.
My father didn't know any better and bought me a righty stick because I am right-handed, like a lot of parents would do and I played righty my whole life.
I almost made the same mistake with my youngest. I just bought her a righty stick and handed it to her, but I was watching her instincts as soon as they gave her a puck and it was obvious she was a lefty. She was two-days in when I fixed my mistake.
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
Agree and same. I'm righty and shoot lefty, but was taught to shoot righty. Never felt right
That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
I'm a righty, but I feel more comfortable shooting right-handed. I can shoot left-handed, but I don't feel as comfortable doing it.
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Even with Jooris eligible for IR, Rangers weren't going to keep 8 defensemen...hence, McIlrath on waivers...probably 50/50 on claim.
With this team way too often. You just knew he had played his last game as a ranger when God forbid he received a bad penalty call in the 2nd period of a 3-1 game and then didn't see the ice in the third.
Maybe he won't be a great defender but he is already better than Holden. Unfortunately I guess he didn't pass Patrick Roy's eye test or he'd still be here.
if we've been shopping him, we must know if someone was willing to offer anything, even a #7. If some team was offering a late round pick, why would we waive him and lose him for nothing to that team? Maybe my logic is off.
In any event, my guess is he wont amount to even an average NHL dman. But in part that's because he wasnt developed here and given a chance. He was a good AHL dman.
by the kid. At this point I'm mostly hoping someone claims him to give him a shot and we can move on. A lot of good happening in the organization this season despite this screw up.
...if it's well known that a team is trying to unload a marginal player and will waive him if they can't find a deal, unless you had unusually strong opinions on that player, why trade anything when you can just claim him for nothing?
Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
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Despres is on LTIR so Ducks save on cap there... Bob Murray said the Simon Despres situation is a "sensitive issue" and intimated it'll be a long-term thing. Wouldn't elaborate.
RE: How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins
He filled a need. They have nobody now that sends a message. Like when Girardi got hit in the head last night. Who's standing up in that situation now?
Is that the Rangers look fantastic, Girardi is playing good hockey if you fucking cry babies could stop whining for a second and watch the game without your fucking I am right ego's at work for once.
This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.
We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.
Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
You miss the point which is what I was doing for way too long. It's not relevant whether he is doing well or badly. it's not relevant that he was supposed to be out a while but plays injured because he's that type of player. The guys here have turned playing hard through major injuries as selfish and harming the team (we don't have enough Holden at 20min per game...he should be getting 29).
No the point is that if there is a Ranger game we wait and see where we can find a time someone did something good on the other team and blame #5 for it. For instance in game one i think it was, a puck was shot off a pad and bounced oddly off the boards. EIther way, it bouced CLOSE to Giardi and passed him where an elite forward picked it up and spun it the other way. Obvuiously JT is no match for a charging elite forward so he gets floppy and beaten for the goal. The quote here was "no need to discuss what wa a clear flub at the blueline by Girardi leading to a BREAKAWAY).
And that sums up the rest of his time here. That and the booing in my section by sewage with tickets who read that he sucks on some site they think keeps them at the cutting edge of analysis. The same blog that screamed about goalue depth and forward depth. None of it matters nor makes sense. No one will admit they sounded silly, and most will come here everyday to talk about the same thing because there's even a buncg of peole who would much rather be "right" than cheer Girardi for blasting a game winner home or comingb back from an injury that costs a baseball player 4 weeks.
This is all while the team is fucking joyous to watch and as fun as its been, you have to remind yourself it was negarive when the team went to the FInals. it is what it is here.
This place has been pretty damned upbeat about the way the team has played so far, and the bashing has been mostly of Holden (which is the right target even if the criticism has been super strong).
When the discussion turns to the long term asset management of the team from here out (expansion, etc), the tone around Girardi is negative. There isn't any denying that. But of course it's negative. It isn't a good contract value-wise at this point, and the NMC is an issue.
By and large, people have been pretty fair with he Warrior so far this season.
Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
At least he hit the puck, we have a saying in Men's league when a guy fans on a one-timer and misses the puck and falls in the process it's called the "fake shot fall" move. It's hilarious when it happens in a game with a mid-30's - mid-40 year old doing it.
Vigneault said he doesn't expect Kreider for tomorrow, he "might be more than day-to-day." Buchnevich might be ready to play Friday. #NYR
Cyrgalis also has a puffy piece on Holden.
Oh and fuck Rat face Marchand
Chara looks like he's 100 years old and Krug is as finnesse a player as you can be and play top 4 D. He should be on power play like an extra forward.
Speed gives them major problems.
I think both Rask and Khudobin are injured. Malcolm Subban? LOL what a disaster.
I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......
I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......
I like the Celtics.
I said Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are good the rest of the forwards are jags. other than Spooner, but on the 3rd line, that 3rd line, his talent is wasted.
When you look at all the talent that has left Boston the past 4 years or so it's comical.
Ideally, I think they would want to deal Nash. Realistically, I think Miller is the one being dangled. Maybe Zuccarello, but in my eyes: Zuccarello > Miller > Hayes. I don't think they'd trade Hayes considering he was a huge part in recruiting Vesey.
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I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......
I like the Celtics.
I said Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are good the rest of the forwards are jags. other than Spooner, but on the 3rd line, that 3rd line, his talent is wasted.
When you look at all the talent that has left Boston the past 4 years or so it's comical.
Oppps, sorry!!!! I should learn to read lol
Zero goal tending right now isn't helping.......
I think the thinking behind some fans is that he's almost 30 and he's supposedly unhappy given the fact that we've traded his BFFs. I think it's silly. He's still one of our best players and, IMO, the heart and soul of the team.
Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.
The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
Alain Vigneault says Pavel Buchnevich is close and could play Friday. Chris Kreider is day to day but unlikely for Friday.
Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.
The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
Basically, Girardi is not only an albatross salary cap wise, but also play-wise and the fact that AV, for God knows what reason, loves the pairing of him and McDonagh.
Alain Vigneault says Pavel Buchnevich is close and could play Friday. Chris Kreider is day to day but unlikely for Friday.
Entirely possible that Buch is good to play but they dont want to make a roster move right now. Maybe there is a big debate about McIlrath going on.
I would too, but I doubt Winnipeg would. They want a LHD of Trouba's caliber.
Still debating in my head whether to do Miller + Skjei for Trouba. IDK
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or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?
Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.
The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
Basically, Girardi is not only an albatross salary cap wise, but also play-wise and the fact that AV, for God knows what reason, loves the pairing of him and McDonagh.
In my opinion the biggest problem with Girardi is role, not salary. He might be fine as a 3rd pair guy, even a heavy use 3rd paid given that Skjei is good. Although Girardi's possession stats were bad on the 3rd pair last game (the whole team's possession stats were rotten tho).
I didn't think he was washed up.
Hate the B's myself (though I like the Pats and Celtics).
The Bruins are not that.
They should have just paid Louie Eriksson the same money and kept him. Eriksson is a LW, Backes as C which makes him a 3rd line center. which IMO is less value that a top 4 winger - and Eriksson is a better offensive player.
Just seemed like signing a player to fill a hole but the player didn't really fill the hole they had.
Typical Sweeney.
I didn't think he was washed up.
Hate the B's myself (though I like the Pats and Celtics).
WTF? You like the Giants AND the Patriots too?
I shouldn't be shocked but I am
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I keep an eye on the Trouba situation. I'd trade Hayes + for Trouba.
I would too, but I doubt Winnipeg would. They want a LHD of Trouba's caliber.
Still debating in my head whether to do Miller + Skjei for Trouba. IDK
I wouldnt do that. Skjei on cheap contracts for the next 5 years could be nearly as valuable as Trouba if you immediately have to pay him 6.5+ per. It's still not at all clear if Trouba will develop a full two way game or if he's just another Marc Staal (good version). Whereas Skjei will be (IMO) at a minimum a good defensive #3, and Miller is tracking to be a better version of Callahan.
Im not opposed to moving Miller or Hayes, but Im not excited about it. And if I move them, I'd like to get back a proven offensive talent on the blue line.
Talbot may be 5-1-0, but it's with a 2.75 GAA and okay 91.9% SV. Not sure you can credit him for a bunch of Oilers players improving, McDavid being McJesus, and good offseason upgrades like turning Hall into Larsson + Lucic.
Talbot may be 5-1-0, but it's with a 2.75 GAA and okay 91.9% SV. Not sure you can credit him for a bunch of Oilers players improving, McDavid being McJesus, and good offseason upgrades like turning Hall into Larsson + Lucic.
I was referring more to last year regarding Hagelin. This year to Talbot.
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Vigneault said he doesn't expect Kreider for tomorrow, he "might be more than day-to-day." Buchnevich might be ready to play Friday. #NYR
And Anisimov was #2. So? It's a week.
It's worth looking at what we got back. It's hard to follow, but I know we wouldnt have gotten Gropp, who the team loves, thought was a top 10 talent, and who has physical attributes that sound like Kreider. Not clear if we'd have Kovacs, who is a nice wing prospect. And Im pretty sure we wouldnt have Zborovskiy, who is a 6'4 Russian dman who is just killing it in the WHL right now. 1-7-8 +17 in 9 games.
Whoa whoa whoa. Who is GoldenTee now? Wasn't he "hudson" at some point? Now he's got ANOTHER fuckin handle? Holy shit.
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And Anisimov was #2. So? It's a week.
It's worth looking at what we got back. It's hard to follow, but I know we wouldnt have gotten Gropp, who the team loves, thought was a top 10 talent, and who has physical attributes that sound like Kreider. Not clear if we'd have Kovacs, who is a nice wing prospect. And Im pretty sure we wouldnt have Zborovskiy, who is a 6'4 Russian dman who is just killing it in the WHL right now. 1-7-8 +17 in 9 games.
It's still too early to judge, but I think it's right to question whether we got too little for both Talbot and Hagelin.
Yes, he's moved on from Hudson and now he's Rover.
Suban last night was horrible. Not sure who will end up being in net for the B's tonight. Serious issues for the B's this season.
The season series between the Bs and NYR has been great over the past few years, not going to be the case this year. The Bruins just aren't very good.
Good luck to the Rangers this year. NHL is off to a fantastic start this year.
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Suban last night was horrible. Not sure who will end up being in net for the B's tonight.
Thanks Anakim!!
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I have no problem with what the Rangers got for Talbot on an absolute basis. The goalie market got hot and they seemed to overplay their hand, though.
I don't get how the Rangers couldn't get more for Hagelin given Shaw fetched two seconds this past off-season.
Also, lol at this:
Fair. My feeling is that it is difficult for power forwards to develop when they cant physically dominate. So you want the PF to spend an extra year in junior, and extra year in the AHL. This time lets them work on aspects of the game (like being an immovable horse) that you cant develop when you're playing against guys you dont have a physical advantage over.
At the time he was traded, Staal and Girardi had more value than they do now. Either could have fetched a mid round pick.
Hagelin didnt have to be a cap casualty - the team simply decided he would never be a big goal scorer and undervalued other aspects to his game.
It wouldnt suck so much if the Ducks hadnt panicked and traded him 3 months later... fuckin' hate the Ducks.
Also, if we have Hags now, who is the 4th liner? Vesey, Buch, or Hags? Does Vesey sign here if it looks like we have Kreider, Zucc, Nash, Miller, Buch, and Hagelin as wings already?
so when the did trade him it seemed like a letdown.
In the past 20 years the Canadiens traded Roy, Theodore, Thibault, Halak, Budaj, Huet, Tokarski, and so many more - no one trades goalies like the Canadiens you just don't get what you think you will for goalies. Especially mostly unproven or to that point predominantly backup goalies.
Dont get me wrong, I love Gorton's past offseason, so hopefully we don't fuck up like this going forward because realistically if we want Hank to get one we cannot afford to.
But it is sad when most of BBI knew right away how bad these two decisions were. That's the frustrating part... along with Anaheim dumping him for peanuts 3 months later.
Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.
Not like that....I'm not of fan of those two...I'm happy if they win...but there not my teams.
Everybody usually has some group of teams they like but don't love/live and die with and some they hate.
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trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.
Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.
I'm not saying there wasn't demand for Talbot, I'm just saying the potential returns leaked were possibly exaggerated setting fans up to be disappointed - I think the return for Talbot was about right.
Talbot was pretty much a known commodity. Lehner still isn't as old as Talbot when Talbot made his NHL debut and Lehner has been in the league 7 years, he (Lehner) has been the "next big goalie" for a long time. Never panned out.
I think he was still thought of as having a higher ceiling than Talbot, but also a lower floor.
Just my take.
Not the biggest fan of Carp, but depressing to see a lot of good guys get laid off.
I think the bloggers do some great work across the league. I read BSB over Brooks most of the time, for example.
A)Awesome, one of the better defensemen from an awful defense!
B)Vigneault is going with Patrick Roy's ace scouting reports now. How wonderful.
And that explains why he's playing....um....on the top pair?
Yep, that's what they've been - stout in their own end!
Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):
I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.
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"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.
Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):
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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."
I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.
Let's hope
I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...
I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...
Kreider was having an MVP type season before the injury. You dont take him out of the lineup to showcase Josh Jooris.
And as fate would have it, TB beats us in the finals, with Stralman moving the puck like a dream. Also, if you keep Stralman, the Yandle deal likely never happens and Rangers still have the Duke.
I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...
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Kreider was having an MVP type season before the injury. You dont take him out of the lineup to showcase Josh Jooris.
Deej - I agree. I know it's early but I don't think you would bench Kreider under any circumstances to showcase in a trade.
A trade or someone of minor significance would likely be lost to waivers soon.
Just sayin'. The legend of Duclair is getting away from itself. Reminds me of the time a rookie Prucha score 30, on 23.1% shooting.
If everyone is healthy enough to play what's your move? Send Skjei to Hartford? Put Jooris on waivers and either lose him to another team or he decides to take that offer in Switzerland? Waive McIlrath and lose him for nothing?
I just think Gorton is legitimately looking to make a trade that will fix the 24 man roster issue and prevent us from having to lose a player for nothing.
Im not convinced Jooris is materially better than Hrivik, Jensen, Nieves, or Fontaine. Jooris seems to define "marginal roster player", and given our lack of recallable depth, it seems obvious that you risk losing him vs. McIlrath. Even though carrying 8 D's is weird. It's a little odd to me that the only NHL experience we have on D in Hartford is Chris Summers.
Rangers came into the season as a bubble playoff team. Even if we're better than that, every seed counts. Im not demoting Skjei to protect the likes of Josh Jooris as a 14th forward.
But, I'm less hawkish on trading any of the forwards for D than most seem to be, so Skjei should stay up and play if I had my druthers.
Get rid of McIlrath and Jooris, but have Glass around?
That's like banning Randy and Milton but keeping Rover around.
And I like Skjei a lot. Fingers crossed they don't ship him off in a scramble for RD.
He's not Price, but Montoya has been fantastic this year. I was against the signing when I learned about it, but he's the best backup I've seen in MTL in a long long time.
It's all good though, Patrick Roy vouched for his abilities
Fuckin Pierre. What a creep.
The touch wasn't the problem, the fact that he collapsed the middle on the guy already covered and left Czarniak wide open was the problem.
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"a little inefficient".
The touch wasn't the problem, the fact that he collapsed the middle on the guy already covered and left Czarniak wide open was the problem.
Yeah, I'm just mocking AV for his reason to bench Clendening.
As Nick Holden gets PP time, let's remember that Keith Yandle did not get on the first PP unit last year until January.
I give up. I wanted to believe AV learned something this past offseason, but apparently dominating the first couple of games possession and shot wise wasnt challenging enough for coach.
Of course.
Fuckin Pierre. What a creep.
Haha I was thinking the same thing dude don't go there like that. Fucking wad that he is.
There's about 3-4 coaches I would definitely take over him. I think he's generally good, but has the same faults as TC did (who I loved).
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is about as insufferable as the start to this game.
There's about 3-4 coaches I would definitely take over him. I think he's generally good, but has the same faults as TC did (who I loved).
There's no doubt he has his faults and blind spots. I just don't think some here realize just how much worse it could be.
And we still like to meet our quota of terrible defensive zone giveaways each night
Because Stephane Quintal is still butthurt about getting booed constantly when he was a Ranger. That's the story I'm going with.
I don't know why this team feels the need to sleepwalk through so many periods.
Dude is such an ass clown.
He's a limited player, but he's a real sniper. Big time weapon on the PP.
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It's criminal that it was only a minor. Fucker left his feet to lay a blindside hit to the head.
I thought both feet were off the ice and there was a clear intent to hit the head.
Vesey!!!!!!!!!
Vesey is just really good at do things great goal scorers need to do. Sounds silly to say, but it's not easy to do.
Honestly, he's 35 or 40 goal capable. Just a knack for the net. Maybe a little worse depending on his shot which we havent seen a ton of.
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Awesome. what do you guys think his ceiling is?
Honestly, he's 35 or 40 goal capable. Just a knack for the net. Maybe a little worse depending on his shot which we havent seen a ton of.
Ceiling? Pretty damn high. He looks like he'll be a 50 point player in short order.
No need. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Don't back down, but no need to to hunting. Rangers have no hunters anyhow
This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.
We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.
Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
Must say Pirri is looking like the free-agent signing of the offseason so far (excludes superstars who signed with their original teams of course)
I think it should be Holden's time to sit. Tough night for him, Clendening deserves to get back in. And frankly, other than McD, none of the other defenseman are head and shoulders above the rest. Nobody should be sitting for an extended period.
If you think Holden and Girardi need to be in the lineup at all times over Clendening and McIlrath, then I would like to roll you a fat doobie, light it and tell you that you're wrong.
It's not hating on the former to expect development over a long season of the latter.
Yes, Seth, I enjoyed this win. Still need to think about the way this roster is deployed to see how they can deal from strength come trade deadline.
Sorry if this is an old convo, but I would hate to lose his game. While tough guys dont have as much of a role, this guy has skill. Would love our own version of Brent Seabrooke to go with some of our other youth.
Hopefully - all respect to jooris - but they were probably cutting or demoting mcilraith this weekend when Buch came back.... Now not so sure what happens with jooris out a while.
I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.
The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.
The weight he lost has made a huge difference. Not sure if it's changed his top speed, but you can see it in his change of direction and his burst. It makes it easier to see that he's back checking hard, committed to being a two-way C, and not "lazy" as he'd been labeled previously (which I think was at least partially due to his previously below average skating/acceleration)
He's also made huge strides at the dots, and now even takes a bunch of DZ draws. We all shit on the importance of faceoffs (myself included), and to a great extent it's justified, but it sure is nice not to be getting dominated in that facet.
Like how Blair McDonald scored 46 goals on Gretzky's wing, just three years before he landed back in the A.
So fun to watch.
So fun to watch.
Have your or have you not been made infamous over a viral Youtube video?
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Are they quick or what?
So fun to watch.
Have your or have you not been made infamous over a viral Youtube video?
Yes, I answered you in the other thread you asked. Ancient history.
Greg - They look better than I thought they would look. I only skimmed the pre-game portion of this thread, but saw Clendening's name mentioned...they need to get him back in the lineup. Why isn't Klein on the top line?
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
Because they need cap space and because Stoner is essentially untradeable and Bieksa has a NTC
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
Going off of @CapFriendly 's numbers, Ducks need to clear at least $1,419,803 in cap space ... $775,000 for Etem put them at about $645,000
Probably bullshit. Probably barbershop talk but stay tuned.
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.
So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.
They extended him as a matter of asset management. They'd consider trading him because it's not great to have 3 dmen playing the same side making 5.25, 5, and 4 million respectively. Though I think that issue is overblown a bit.
Also, they have to protect Bieksa because of his NMC, meaning that one of Lindholm, Vat, or Fowler will be exposed in the expansion draft if not traded. Alternatively, they can protect 8 skaters instead of 7 F and 3 D, but that's not ideal either -- Perry, Getz, and Kessler have NMCs, so with those Ds that's 7/8 protections. It would probably cost them Rackell (who they just extended for 23/6) or Silfverberg (15/4). Those two are probably just as important as Vat for Fowler to the Ducks.
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but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.
The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
TBH, it's a crime if McIlrath gets back in before Clendo. AC has outplayed McIlrath (and Holden, KK, and Girardi) so far.
He's got one year left after this season then he's a UFA and talent wise you can make a case Vatanen is a better fit/need with their roster.
R/L is more of an issue with certain coaches, a lot of D like playing opposite side, especially in the offensive zone.
I couldn't do it, but I was supposed to be a lefty anyway, my father just didn't know shit when he got me a stick.
It does, and that's how you're supposed to shoot. Naturally left-handed people should be right handed shots and vice versa.
My father didn't know any better and bought me a righty stick because I am right-handed, like a lot of parents would do and I played righty my whole life.
I almost made the same mistake with my youngest. I just bought her a righty stick and handed it to her, but I was watching her instincts as soon as they gave her a puck and it was obvious she was a lefty. She was two-days in when I fixed my mistake.
Agree and same. I'm righty and shoot lefty, but was taught to shoot righty. Never felt right
Hate.
That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
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That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.
just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
I'm a righty, but I feel more comfortable shooting right-handed. I can shoot left-handed, but I don't feel as comfortable doing it.
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Even with Jooris eligible for IR, Rangers weren't going to keep 8 defensemen...hence, McIlrath on waivers...probably 50/50 on claim.
Maybe that is why I sucked?
Hate to constantly bitch about the coach he just has such strange logic sometimes.
In any event, I recently read that if McIlrath does not play 42 games in the NHL this season, he becomes a Group IV free agent.
Since they could have simply placed Jooris and IR and didn't, I gotta believe a deal is coming soon.
Maybe he won't be a great defender but he is already better than Holden. Unfortunately I guess he didn't pass Patrick Roy's eye test or he'd still be here.
In any event, I recently read that if McIlrath does not play 42 games in the NHL this season, he becomes a Group IV free agent.
I don't think you can pull him back. Not 100% sure, but if he's claimed, he's gone
They've been trying to deal #6 for two months. I think they are just going to let him go at this point.
In any event, my guess is he wont amount to even an average NHL dman. But in part that's because he wasnt developed here and given a chance. He was a good AHL dman.
Blues (Shattenkirk) waived Paajarvi
Ducks (Vatanen and Fowler) extended Lindholm and put Nate Thompson on LTIR
And we waived McIlrath
Moving pieces!!!!!
also
I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.
The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.
1. Both play an up tempo game without a true checking line.
2. Both don't have the stingiest of defense
Similar "style" albeit with much different personnel.
Sidenote...Zucc or Kreider would be IDEAL forwards on Crosby's wing.
Or Mike in Long Beach.
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especially up front. There is no Crosby or Malkin, or even a Kessel on the Rangers.
I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.
The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.
1. Both play an up tempo game without a true checking line.
2. Both don't have the stingiest of defense
Similar "style" albeit with much different personnel.
Sidenote...Zucc or Kreider would be IDEAL forwards on Crosby's wing.
Well to be fair, that's half the league that wants to play that style.
the personnel makes the teams very different.
especially on specials.
penguins D were mostly jags and letang, but I think in the playoffs a couple of those guys proved to be a little underrated.
This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.
We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.
Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
You miss the point which is what I was doing for way too long. It's not relevant whether he is doing well or badly. it's not relevant that he was supposed to be out a while but plays injured because he's that type of player. The guys here have turned playing hard through major injuries as selfish and harming the team (we don't have enough Holden at 20min per game...he should be getting 29).
No the point is that if there is a Ranger game we wait and see where we can find a time someone did something good on the other team and blame #5 for it. For instance in game one i think it was, a puck was shot off a pad and bounced oddly off the boards. EIther way, it bouced CLOSE to Giardi and passed him where an elite forward picked it up and spun it the other way. Obvuiously JT is no match for a charging elite forward so he gets floppy and beaten for the goal. The quote here was "no need to discuss what wa a clear flub at the blueline by Girardi leading to a BREAKAWAY).
And that sums up the rest of his time here. That and the booing in my section by sewage with tickets who read that he sucks on some site they think keeps them at the cutting edge of analysis. The same blog that screamed about goalue depth and forward depth. None of it matters nor makes sense. No one will admit they sounded silly, and most will come here everyday to talk about the same thing because there's even a buncg of peole who would much rather be "right" than cheer Girardi for blasting a game winner home or comingb back from an injury that costs a baseball player 4 weeks.
This is all while the team is fucking joyous to watch and as fun as its been, you have to remind yourself it was negarive when the team went to the FInals. it is what it is here.
Not very self-aware.
When the discussion turns to the long term asset management of the team from here out (expansion, etc), the tone around Girardi is negative. There isn't any denying that. But of course it's negative. It isn't a good contract value-wise at this point, and the NMC is an issue.
By and large, people have been pretty fair with he Warrior so far this season.
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
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Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade
I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"
Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!
At least he hit the puck, we have a saying in Men's league when a guy fans on a one-timer and misses the puck and falls in the process it's called the "fake shot fall" move. It's hilarious when it happens in a game with a mid-30's - mid-40 year old doing it.
not so hilarious when a pro does it.
Here is an example of fake shot fall