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Deej : 10/26/2016 10:14 am
Maybe no Rask for Boston. Kreider and Buch will not play.
Kreider's out?  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 10:15 am : link
Jeez.
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Deej : 10/26/2016 10:31 am : link
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Brett Cyrgalis ‏@BrettCyrgalis 21h21 hours ago
Vigneault said he doesn't expect Kreider for tomorrow, he "might be more than day-to-day." Buchnevich might be ready to play Friday. #NYR


Cyrgalis also has a puffy piece on Holden.
Malcolm Subban absolutely bombed yesterday  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 10:40 am : link
Wonder if they play him tonight.


Oh and fuck Rat face Marchand
Bruins  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 10:52 am : link
are terrible. Marchand, Bergeron, Krejci, and Pastrnak and a bunch of jags, including Backes who was a terrible signing. Ryan Spooner has some skill, but he's on their 3rd line.

Chara looks like he's 100 years old and Krug is as finnesse a player as you can be and play top 4 D. He should be on power play like an extra forward.

Speed gives them major problems.

I think both Rask and Khudobin are injured. Malcolm Subban? LOL what a disaster.
Kiss of death from pj  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 11:01 am : link
Thanks for nothing, dick.
pj is the worst.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 11:07 am : link
Saw the SNY blurb  
JonC : 10/26/2016 11:07 am : link
about looking for a top-four D-man ... realistically, what's the cost in trade? I wonder if they'd deal a Hayes.
PJ spewing his hate again!!!!  
BillKo : 10/26/2016 11:10 am : link
LOL........

I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......
RE: PJ spewing his hate again!!!!  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 11:13 am : link
In comment 13191711 BillKo said:
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LOL........

I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......


I like the Celtics.

I said Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are good the rest of the forwards are jags. other than Spooner, but on the 3rd line, that 3rd line, his talent is wasted.

When you look at all the talent that has left Boston the past 4 years or so it's comical.
RE: Saw the SNY blurb  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 13191709 JonC said:
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about looking for a top-four D-man ... realistically, what's the cost in trade? I wonder if they'd deal a Hayes.


Ideally, I think they would want to deal Nash. Realistically, I think Miller is the one being dangled. Maybe Zuccarello, but in my eyes: Zuccarello > Miller > Hayes. I don't think they'd trade Hayes considering he was a huge part in recruiting Vesey.
RE: RE: PJ spewing his hate again!!!!  
BillKo : 10/26/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 13191713 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13191711 BillKo said:


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LOL........

I realize you hate the home town teams, but c'mon, Bergeron and Marchand are more than jag's......



I like the Celtics.

I said Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are good the rest of the forwards are jags. other than Spooner, but on the 3rd line, that 3rd line, his talent is wasted.

When you look at all the talent that has left Boston the past 4 years or so it's comical.


Oppps, sorry!!!! I should learn to read lol

Zero goal tending right now isn't helping.......
Shit, I think I'd rather face Rask considering how poorly we've done  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:18 am : link
against backup goalies
They pretty much have to trade either Hayes or Miller  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 11:22 am : link
Probably can't fit a top 4 dman's salary under the cap otherwise, unless they were able to move Nash.
and trading Zuc would be silly  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 11:23 am : link
He's a total bargain at $4.5M per
RE: and trading Zuc would be silly  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13191736 Greg from LI said:
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He's a total bargain at $4.5M per



I think the thinking behind some fans is that he's almost 30 and he's supposedly unhappy given the fact that we've traded his BFFs. I think it's silly. He's still one of our best players and, IMO, the heart and soul of the team.
Hayes or Miller could go for a righty #2  
Deej : 10/26/2016 11:32 am : link
or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?

Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.

The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.
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Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:35 am : link
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl
Alain Vigneault says Pavel Buchnevich is close and could play Friday. Chris Kreider is day to day but unlikely for Friday.
RE: Hayes or Miller could go for a righty #2  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 13191763 Deej said:
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or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?

Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.

The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.



Basically, Girardi is not only an albatross salary cap wise, but also play-wise and the fact that AV, for God knows what reason, loves the pairing of him and McDonagh.
RE: .  
Deej : 10/26/2016 11:38 am : link
In comment 13191769 Anakim said:
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Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl
Alain Vigneault says Pavel Buchnevich is close and could play Friday. Chris Kreider is day to day but unlikely for Friday.


Entirely possible that Buch is good to play but they dont want to make a roster move right now. Maybe there is a big debate about McIlrath going on.
If I'm the Rangers  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 11:38 am : link
I keep an eye on the Trouba situation. I'd trade Hayes + for Trouba.
RE: If I'm the Rangers  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:39 am : link
In comment 13191775 pjcas18 said:
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I keep an eye on the Trouba situation. I'd trade Hayes + for Trouba.


I would too, but I doubt Winnipeg would. They want a LHD of Trouba's caliber.

Still debating in my head whether to do Miller + Skjei for Trouba. IDK
RE: RE: Hayes or Miller could go for a righty #2  
Deej : 10/26/2016 11:39 am : link
In comment 13191772 Anakim said:
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In comment 13191763 Deej said:


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or a very cost effective #4 type. What we give up depends on the return. Is the player a #2 or a 2nd pair guy, and what is his contract?

Another option is to recognize that McDonagh and Staal are here to stay, and swap Skjei (who IMO is a #4 already) for a similar RHD. Basically find a team that is overloaded to the right side.

The problem with any of these approaches is that AV sees Girardi as a #2 dman. So if you get a #4, you knock KK to the 3rd line. If you get a #2, you knock KK to the 3rd line. You need to displace 2 RHDs to get DG to the bottom pair.




Basically, Girardi is not only an albatross salary cap wise, but also play-wise and the fact that AV, for God knows what reason, loves the pairing of him and McDonagh.


In my opinion the biggest problem with Girardi is role, not salary. He might be fine as a 3rd pair guy, even a heavy use 3rd paid given that Skjei is good. Although Girardi's possession stats were bad on the 3rd pair last game (the whole team's possession stats were rotten tho).
PJ  
Rover : 10/26/2016 11:44 am : link
Backes was a bad signing?
I didn't think he was washed up.
Hate the B's myself (though I like the Pats and Celtics).
hah  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 11:47 am : link
GoldenTee loves the Patriots and Celtics as well as the Penguins. Color me shocked.
Backes  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 11:49 am : link
is 32 years old. Signing a 32 year old to a 5 year 30M deal to me is never good unless your team is a player or two away and you are adding a solid veteran presence to a "championship" core.

The Bruins are not that.

They should have just paid Louie Eriksson the same money and kept him. Eriksson is a LW, Backes as C which makes him a 3rd line center. which IMO is less value that a top 4 winger - and Eriksson is a better offensive player.

Just seemed like signing a player to fill a hole but the player didn't really fill the hole they had.

Typical Sweeney.

RE: PJ  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 13191787 Rover said:
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Backes was a bad signing?
I didn't think he was washed up.
Hate the B's myself (though I like the Pats and Celtics).


WTF? You like the Giants AND the Patriots too?


I shouldn't be shocked but I am
RE: RE: If I'm the Rangers  
Deej : 10/26/2016 11:56 am : link
In comment 13191777 Anakim said:
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In comment 13191775 pjcas18 said:


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I keep an eye on the Trouba situation. I'd trade Hayes + for Trouba.



I would too, but I doubt Winnipeg would. They want a LHD of Trouba's caliber.

Still debating in my head whether to do Miller + Skjei for Trouba. IDK


I wouldnt do that. Skjei on cheap contracts for the next 5 years could be nearly as valuable as Trouba if you immediately have to pay him 6.5+ per. It's still not at all clear if Trouba will develop a full two way game or if he's just another Marc Staal (good version). Whereas Skjei will be (IMO) at a minimum a good defensive #3, and Miller is tracking to be a better version of Callahan.

Im not opposed to moving Miller or Hayes, but Im not excited about it. And if I move them, I'd like to get back a proven offensive talent on the blue line.
Speaking of fucked up  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 12:00 pm : link
Look how well Hagelin and Talbot are doing and look how little we got for them
Sarcasm?  
Deej : 10/26/2016 12:13 pm : link
Hags is having a terrible start. 1-0-1 in 7 games with CF% and FF% below 40. Though brutal 62.7% dzone starts.

Talbot may be 5-1-0, but it's with a 2.75 GAA and okay 91.9% SV. Not sure you can credit him for a bunch of Oilers players improving, McDavid being McJesus, and good offseason upgrades like turning Hall into Larsson + Lucic.
RE: Sarcasm?  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13191838 Deej said:
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Hags is having a terrible start. 1-0-1 in 7 games with CF% and FF% below 40. Though brutal 62.7% dzone starts.

Talbot may be 5-1-0, but it's with a 2.75 GAA and okay 91.9% SV. Not sure you can credit him for a bunch of Oilers players improving, McDavid being McJesus, and good offseason upgrades like turning Hall into Larsson + Lucic.


I was referring more to last year regarding Hagelin. This year to Talbot.
Talbot was named first star of the week, I believe  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 12:16 pm : link
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Zane McIntyre is in net tonight for the Bruins  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 12:17 pm : link
His first NHL start, which means he'll probably shut us out
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Gman11 : 10/26/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13191648 Deej said:
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Brett Cyrgalis @BrettCyrgalis 21h21 hours ago
Vigneault said he doesn't expect Kreider for tomorrow, he "might be more than day-to-day." Buchnevich might be ready to play Friday. #NYR

Good because I'll be at the game against the Canes and I want to see the kid play.
RE: Talbot was named first star of the week, I believe  
Deej : 10/26/2016 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13191844 Anakim said:
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And Anisimov was #2. So? It's a week.

It's worth looking at what we got back. It's hard to follow, but I know we wouldnt have gotten Gropp, who the team loves, thought was a top 10 talent, and who has physical attributes that sound like Kreider. Not clear if we'd have Kovacs, who is a nice wing prospect. And Im pretty sure we wouldnt have Zborovskiy, who is a 6'4 Russian dman who is just killing it in the WHL right now. 1-7-8 +17 in 9 games.
RE: hah  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13191791 Greg from LI said:
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GoldenTee loves the Patriots and Celtics as well as the Penguins. Color me shocked.


Whoa whoa whoa. Who is GoldenTee now? Wasn't he "hudson" at some point? Now he's got ANOTHER fuckin handle? Holy shit.
RE: RE: Talbot was named first star of the week, I believe  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13191876 Deej said:
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In comment 13191844 Anakim said:


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And Anisimov was #2. So? It's a week.

It's worth looking at what we got back. It's hard to follow, but I know we wouldnt have gotten Gropp, who the team loves, thought was a top 10 talent, and who has physical attributes that sound like Kreider. Not clear if we'd have Kovacs, who is a nice wing prospect. And Im pretty sure we wouldnt have Zborovskiy, who is a 6'4 Russian dman who is just killing it in the WHL right now. 1-7-8 +17 in 9 games.



It's still too early to judge, but I think it's right to question whether we got too little for both Talbot and Hagelin.
RE: RE: hah  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13191877 B in ALB said:
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Whoa whoa whoa. Who is GoldenTee now? Wasn't he "hudson" at some point? Now he's got ANOTHER fuckin handle? Holy shit.


Yes, he's moved on from Hudson and now he's Rover.
B's fan here - I think PJ is right  
mgreenie03 : 10/26/2016 12:52 pm : link
The Bruins are not a good team. I do like Backes but not for 5yrs at the $ they signed him to.

Suban last night was horrible. Not sure who will end up being in net for the B's tonight. Serious issues for the B's this season.

The season series between the Bs and NYR has been great over the past few years, not going to be the case this year. The Bruins just aren't very good.

Good luck to the Rangers this year. NHL is off to a fantastic start this year.
I'm not sure how much the team still loves Gropp  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 12:53 pm : link
They DID love him, but now they've sent him back to the WHL as a 20 year old.
RE: B's fan here - I think PJ is right  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13191909 mgreenie03 said:
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Suban last night was horrible. Not sure who will end up being in net for the B's tonight.


Zane McIntyre
RE: RE: B's fan here - I think PJ is right  
mgreenie03 : 10/26/2016 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13191912 Anakim said:
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Suban last night was horrible. Not sure who will end up being in net for the B's tonight.

Thanks Anakim!!


Zane McIntyre
RE: Speaking of fucked up  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13191819 Anakim said:
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Look how well Hagelin and Talbot are doing and look how little we got for them


I have no problem with what the Rangers got for Talbot on an absolute basis. The goalie market got hot and they seemed to overplay their hand, though.

I don't get how the Rangers couldn't get more for Hagelin given Shaw fetched two seconds this past off-season.
They should have never traded him  
Davisian : 10/26/2016 1:01 pm : link
Then the Pens don't win a cup and this team is even faster right now.

...  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 1:04 pm : link
How would you have constructed the team to fit him under the cap then?

Also, lol at this:

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Adam had a good game [in Washington], Vigneault said, but there were a couple touches with the puck that werent as efficient as he had been.
RE: I'm not sure how much the team still loves Gropp  
Deej : 10/26/2016 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13191911 Greg from LI said:
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They DID love him, but now they've sent him back to the WHL as a 20 year old.


Fair. My feeling is that it is difficult for power forwards to develop when they cant physically dominate. So you want the PF to spend an extra year in junior, and extra year in the AHL. This time lets them work on aspects of the game (like being an immovable horse) that you cant develop when you're playing against guys you dont have a physical advantage over.
I don't like the sound of the Kreider thing.  
Victor in CT : 10/26/2016 1:11 pm : link
"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.
we talked about it ad nauseum last year  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 1:12 pm : link
Hagelin didnt have to be moved. Could have moved Klein instead.
RE: ...  
Davisian : 10/26/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13191922 BrettNYG10 said:
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How would you have constructed the team to fit him under the cap then?



At the time he was traded, Staal and Girardi had more value than they do now. Either could have fetched a mid round pick.

and of course done things  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 1:14 pm : link
like keep Glass off the roster, maybe sold high on Dominic Moore after a good 2015 (though I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for DM)

Hagelin didnt have to be a cap casualty - the team simply decided he would never be a big goal scorer and undervalued other aspects to his game.

It wouldnt suck so much if the Ducks hadnt panicked and traded him 3 months later... fuckin' hate the Ducks.
We didnt hear a lot of chatter  
Deej : 10/26/2016 1:15 pm : link
from around the league that the Rangers sold too low on Hags. I think he was underestimated around the league. How much do you give for a mid-30s point player who you have to pay $4 million/per for? Even if he plays good defense and drives possession numbers?

Also, if we have Hags now, who is the 4th liner? Vesey, Buch, or Hags? Does Vesey sign here if it looks like we have Kreider, Zucc, Nash, Miller, Buch, and Hagelin as wings already?
The only problem with the Talbot  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 1:34 pm : link
trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.

so when the did trade him it seemed like a letdown.

In the past 20 years the Canadiens traded Roy, Theodore, Thibault, Halak, Budaj, Huet, Tokarski, and so many more - no one trades goalies like the Canadiens you just don't get what you think you will for goalies. Especially mostly unproven or to that point predominantly backup goalies.
Well of course Hagelin (and Stralman) were underrated  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 1:36 pm : link
by the entire league. The best GMs - e.g., Theo Epstein - are ahead of the curve in their decisions.

Dont get me wrong, I love Gorton's past offseason, so hopefully we don't fuck up like this going forward because realistically if we want Hank to get one we cannot afford to.

But it is sad when most of BBI knew right away how bad these two decisions were. That's the frustrating part... along with Anaheim dumping him for peanuts 3 months later.
RE: The only problem with the Talbot  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13191977 pjcas18 said:
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trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.


Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.
RE: hah  
Rover : 10/26/2016 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13191791 Greg from LI said:
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GoldenTee loves the Patriots and Celtics as well as the Penguins. Color me shocked.

Not like that....I'm not of fan of those two...I'm happy if they win...but there not my teams.
Everybody usually has some group of teams they like but don't love/live and die with and some they hate.

Fan: Giants
Like (when not impacting Giants): Pats
Hate: 49ers

Some unfortunate media news  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 1:44 pm : link
Rick Carpinello got laid off at the journal news. Too bad, his game recaps were always must reads for me the day after.
Rangers Report - ( New Window )
the single biggest anchor around their necks is exactly what many of  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 2:00 pm : link
us said it would be at the time - signing both Staal and Girardi to big money contracts. Staal now plays at the level of a 3rd pairing defenseman and Girardi is one of the very worst defensemen in hockey, but together they eat up 15% of the team's cap.
RE: RE: The only problem with the Talbot  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13191988 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13191977 pjcas18 said:


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trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.




Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.


I'm not saying there wasn't demand for Talbot, I'm just saying the potential returns leaked were possibly exaggerated setting fans up to be disappointed - I think the return for Talbot was about right.

Talbot was pretty much a known commodity. Lehner still isn't as old as Talbot when Talbot made his NHL debut and Lehner has been in the league 7 years, he (Lehner) has been the "next big goalie" for a long time. Never panned out.

I think he was still thought of as having a higher ceiling than Talbot, but also a lower floor.

Just my take.
RE: Some unfortunate media news  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13192001 Kyle in NY said:
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Rick Carpinello got laid off at the journal news. Too bad, his game recaps were always must reads for me the day after. Rangers Report - ( New Window )


Not the biggest fan of Carp, but depressing to see a lot of good guys get laid off.

I think the bloggers do some great work across the league. I read BSB over Brooks most of the time, for example.
against my better judgment  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 2:18 pm : link
I actually read the Cyrgalis puff piece on Holden that Brett mentioned earlier. Dear. God. I didn't think my opinion of Vigneault could sink lower, but this will do it:

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It was funny, we were coming back from Buffalo, I got a call as I got off the plane in Ottawa from Patrick Roy saying to me, You just got one of my better defensemen, Vigneault remembered


A)Awesome, one of the better defensemen from an awful defense!
B)Vigneault is going with Patrick Roy's ace scouting reports now. How wonderful.

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I talked to [Roy] about it at that time, How do you see him? Vigneault said. He told us he could be anywhere from a fourth to a sixth defenseman on a good team


And that explains why he's playing....um....on the top pair?

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Although much of the talk has been about how fast and offensively explosive they have looked thus far, the fact they are stout in their own end again is equally encouraging and that is due in part to the steadiness of Holden.


Yep, that's what they've been - stout in their own end!

RE: I don't like the sound of the Kreider thing.  
Deej : 10/26/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13191939 Victor in CT said:
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"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.


Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):

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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."


I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.
RE: RE: I don't like the sound of the Kreider thing.  
Victor in CT : 10/26/2016 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13192097 Deej said:
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In comment 13191939 Victor in CT said:


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"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.



Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):



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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."



I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.


Let's hope
I really think  
jv : 10/26/2016 3:10 pm : link
they're showcasing players and preparing for a trade.

I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...
RE: I really think  
Deej : 10/26/2016 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13192115 jv said:
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they're showcasing players and preparing for a trade.

I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...


Kreider was having an MVP type season before the injury. You dont take him out of the lineup to showcase Josh Jooris.
Stralman was a way worse decision than Hagelin  
Vanzetti : 10/26/2016 3:36 pm : link
Unbelievable they signed Girardi and Staal to these albatross contracts and then let Stralman sign with TB for way less.

And as fate would have it, TB beats us in the finals, with Stralman moving the puck like a dream. Also, if you keep Stralman, the Yandle deal likely never happens and Rangers still have the Duke.
RE: RE: I really think  
Drewcon40 : 10/26/2016 3:45 pm : link
In comment jv said:
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they're showcasing players and preparing for a trade.

I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...


In comment
Deej said:
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Kreider was having an MVP type season before the injury. You dont take him out of the lineup to showcase Josh Jooris.


Deej - I agree. I know it's early but I don't think you would bench Kreider under any circumstances to showcase in a trade.

A trade or someone of minor significance would likely be lost to waivers soon.
Duclair  
Deej : 10/26/2016 3:48 pm : link
pointless in 6 games. His 20 goals from last season are almost certainly a bit of a mirage, since his 19% shooting percentage is such an outlier. Let's be generous and say he'd be a 13 percent shooter (ie. higher than wings Kane and Ovie). His goal output falls to 14 in 81 games; Hagelin's rookie year pace was almost 18 had he played 81 games.

Just sayin'. The legend of Duclair is getting away from itself. Reminds me of the time a rookie Prucha score 30, on 23.1% shooting.
I hear you  
jv : 10/26/2016 3:55 pm : link
he's killing it right now. These spasms that players have gotten keep allowing the team to keep too many players. I don't doubt that that Buchnevich, Kreider and Klein have had some discomfort. I just don't quite believe it's REALLY bad enough that they would have had to miss multiple games and go on IR. Just a convenient injury is all...

If everyone is healthy enough to play what's your move? Send Skjei to Hartford? Put Jooris on waivers and either lose him to another team or he decides to take that offer in Switzerland? Waive McIlrath and lose him for nothing?

I just think Gorton is legitimately looking to make a trade that will fix the 24 man roster issue and prevent us from having to lose a player for nothing.
I'd waive Jooris  
Deej : 10/26/2016 4:17 pm : link
I think he's terribly replacable. I think they will do that, or waive/trade McIlrath. Indeed, if we had more flexibility, I think AV would prefer having Boo up over Jooris.

Im not convinced Jooris is materially better than Hrivik, Jensen, Nieves, or Fontaine. Jooris seems to define "marginal roster player", and given our lack of recallable depth, it seems obvious that you risk losing him vs. McIlrath. Even though carrying 8 D's is weird. It's a little odd to me that the only NHL experience we have on D in Hartford is Chris Summers.
If it's simply to buy themselves a few weeks  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 4:41 pm : link
To get a trade done, I wouldn't mind seeing them send Skjei down temporarily.
Brady Skjei  
Deej : 10/26/2016 4:53 pm : link
2 assists in 6 games with no PP time. 2nd on team in hits (Kreider). 51.4 CF% 52 FF% (both 3rd among Ds after Clendo and McD). 50/50 zone starts.

Rangers came into the season as a bubble playoff team. Even if we're better than that, every seed counts. Im not demoting Skjei to protect the likes of Josh Jooris as a 14th forward.
Agree long term  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 5:00 pm : link
I'm referring to a situation where they're pretty far along in talks and just not quite there. IF there's a trade happening, there's a pretty good chance jooris would be your 12th forward after the trade, in which case you don't want to lose him while the plane is on the runway.

But, I'm less hawkish on trading any of the forwards for D than most seem to be, so Skjei should stay up and play if I had my druthers.
We would have to trade 2 forwards to make Jooris #12  
Deej : 10/26/2016 5:03 pm : link
and even then, he would likely be supplanted by one of the players I mentioned above.
A tweet pointed out  
Davisian : 10/26/2016 5:08 pm : link
If they get rid of Jooris, that just means Glass is one step closer to a comeback...

Get rid of McIlrath and Jooris, but have Glass around?


That's like banning Randy and Milton but keeping Rover around.

Yup  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 5:12 pm : link
Skjei down for 5-6 games isn't a big enough deal to lose pieces, IMO.

And I like Skjei a lot. Fingers crossed they don't ship him off in a scramble for RD.
Backes had surgery today  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 6:17 pm : link
So he won't be playing tonight.
Speaking of backup goalies  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 7:36 pm : link
Watching some of the Isles game against Montreal, pretty funny how they get to face Montoya tonight instead of the perfectly healthy Carey Price. Must be nice.
RE: Speaking of backup goalies  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13192337 Kyle in NY said:
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Watching some of the Isles game against Montreal, pretty funny how they get to face Montoya tonight instead of the perfectly healthy Carey Price. Must be nice.


He's not Price, but Montoya has been fantastic this year. I was against the signing when I learned about it, but he's the best backup I've seen in MTL in a long long time.
For sure  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 7:52 pm : link
he's probably the best backup in the league. But I do get a kick out of how many backups they get. And how annoyed their fans get when it's brought up
Isles haven't won a non backup facing game since 1982  
Davisian : 10/26/2016 7:56 pm : link
#stats
There's the patented early garbage goal  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:11 pm : link
Rangers got it now.
What a huge fuckup by Holden  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 8:11 pm : link
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Literally..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 8:14 pm : link
turned the TV on as the puck is going into the net. WTF!
RE: What a huge fuckup by Holden  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13192373 Anakim said:
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It's all good though, Patrick Roy vouched for his abilities
Pierre Creepy McGuire  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 8:19 pm : link
"Hey, when you were training in the summer did you ever Greco Roman wrestle yer dad?"

Fuckin Pierre. What a creep.
Do we have a shot on goal?  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 8:21 pm : link
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Looked like Holden's touch was  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:22 pm : link
"a little inefficient".
RE: Looked like Holden's touch was  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13192393 NYerInMA said:
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"a little inefficient".


The touch wasn't the problem, the fact that he collapsed the middle on the guy already covered and left Czarniak wide open was the problem.
RE: RE: Looked like Holden's touch was  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13192397 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 13192393 NYerInMA said:


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"a little inefficient".



The touch wasn't the problem, the fact that he collapsed the middle on the guy already covered and left Czarniak wide open was the problem.


Yeah, I'm just mocking AV for his reason to bench Clendening.
Why no, no we don't have a shot on goal  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 8:25 pm : link
If fucking Holden doesn't hit the press box after tonight, my head in going to explode. If that had been McIlrath, he'd be out of ths lineup for six weeks.
You know how this game is gonna go  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/26/2016 8:29 pm : link
this back up goalie is gonna play like Patrick Roy.
And of course Miller can't put it in on a breakaway  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 8:29 pm : link
It just wouldn't be a Ranger game without that.
.  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 8:31 pm : link
Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman
As Nick Holden gets PP time, let's remember that Keith Yandle did not get on the first PP unit last year until January.
Skjei can't  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:32 pm : link
play so conservatively at the offensive blue line
So Clendening and Rath are scratched tonight?  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 8:37 pm : link

I give up. I wanted to believe AV learned something this past offseason, but apparently dominating the first couple of games possession and shot wise wasnt challenging enough for coach.
There's Henrik's WTF goal for the night  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:38 pm : link
Gotta have that one.
Gimme a break, Henrik  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:38 pm : link
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Really, Hank?  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:38 pm : link
...
I remember a couple months back  
djm : 10/26/2016 8:39 pm : link
"Rover," who seemed ok for a bit or at least didn't trip my radar let it slip on some thread something about attendance comparisons. And I thought no way... this can't be him. Then he did it again. The fucker just can't resist. Weirdo festish for attendance numbers and a desire to root for multiple teams in the same division.
.  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:39 pm : link
Though a weak play by Klein with the puck and too much room given by Skeji
The constant "AV sucks" brigade  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:40 pm : link
is about as insufferable as the start to this game.
Hank looking like shit  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 8:41 pm : link
Some no name from Providence looking like a stud.

Of course.
RE: Pierre Creepy McGuire  
djm : 10/26/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13192387 B in ALB said:
Quote:
"Hey, when you were training in the summer did you ever Greco Roman wrestle yer dad?"

Fuckin Pierre. What a creep.


Haha I was thinking the same thing dude don't go there like that. Fucking wad that he is.
Another TO by the Warrior  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 8:45 pm : link
Maybe their legs will loosen up in the 2nd.
AV better have the smelling salts ready in the intermission  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:46 pm : link
'cause his team is asleep at the moment.
RE: The constant  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13192433 Kyle in NY said:
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is about as insufferable as the start to this game.


There's about 3-4 coaches I would definitely take over him. I think he's generally good, but has the same faults as TC did (who I loved).
RE: RE: The constant  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13192442 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13192433 Kyle in NY said:


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is about as insufferable as the start to this game.



There's about 3-4 coaches I would definitely take over him. I think he's generally good, but has the same faults as TC did (who I loved).


There's no doubt he has his faults and blind spots. I just don't think some here realize just how much worse it could be.
It's gonna take a couple  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:52 pm : link
Of greasy goals to loosen this game up. These guys are going to keep sending pucks deep and keeping us slow out of the zone
That was an awful period though  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 9:01 pm : link
Nearly every defenseman with at least a few mistakes. Not enough pressure on an average team with a rookie goalie coming off a game last night.
Really dumb penalty by Boston  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:15 pm : link
Capitalize here
Boy, we've looked lousy.  
yatqb : 10/26/2016 9:17 pm : link
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Alright  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:21 pm : link
Let's fucking go
Boom  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:24 pm : link
Come on!!!!!
Hopefully that loosens things up  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 9:25 pm : link
Nifty play on the 2nd chance by Nash
That's a minor???!  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:30 pm : link
Come on now.
Girardi can't catch a break  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 9:31 pm : link
tough hit
Wow...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 9:31 pm : link
that's a dirty hit and he left the ice
Still can't believe that was a minor  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 9:36 pm : link
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most everyone has looked like shit  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:37 pm : link
But Vesey is playing his ass off
I dont know how thats not a major and suspension.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 9:37 pm : link
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Our power play has looked pretty good  
mfsd : 10/26/2016 9:39 pm : link
So far this season. So there's that.

And we still like to meet our quota of terrible defensive zone giveaways each night
RE: I dont know how thats not a major and suspension.  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13192500 BrettNYG10 said:
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Because Stephane Quintal is still butthurt about getting booed constantly when he was a Ranger. That's the story I'm going with.
RE: most everyone has looked like shit  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13192499 bigbluehoya said:
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But Vesey is playing his ass off


I don't know why this team feels the need to sleepwalk through so many periods.
Purple!  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 9:41 pm : link
Tie game, eh?
Greasy  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:42 pm : link
Now steamroll these fucks
Bank shot by Hayes!!  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 9:42 pm : link
Ties it up.
And Claude Poutine Julien  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 9:43 pm : link
Thought it shouldn't have been a penalty at all. Imagine that.
Beleskey is such  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:45 pm : link
A stain.
RE: And Claude Poutine Julien  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13192512 B in ALB said:
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Thought it shouldn't have been a penalty at all. Imagine that.


Dude is such an ass clown.
This is about as  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:46 pm : link
Justified of a 6-0 PP count as I could imagine.
Claude Julien looks like a living Russian nesting doll  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 9:46 pm : link
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That was a fucking bullet  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 9:47 pm : link
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There's some extra gravy  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 9:48 pm : link
for Claude's Poutine.
Pirri ripped that one  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 9:48 pm : link
Damn, that was nice.
What a pickup Pirri has been.  
arcarsenal : 10/26/2016 9:48 pm : link
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Pirri has a freakin laser shot  
redbeard : 10/26/2016 9:49 pm : link
THAT is the type of player you populate your fourth line with. Guys that can contribute more to the team than a warm body
Pirri's shot..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 9:49 pm : link
is so damn good!
RE: What a pickup Pirri has been.  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13192524 arcarsenal said:
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He's a limited player, but he's a real sniper. Big time weapon on the PP.
Yeah, Pirri is as one-dimensional as you can get  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 9:53 pm : link
But that shot is lethal
It is so..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 9:54 pm : link
damn nice to see this team coming back from deficits early on in the season.
I rewound it and watched the hit on Girardi again  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 9:56 pm : link
It's criminal that it was only a minor. Fucker left his feet to lay a blindside hit to the head.
Not a bang-bang play  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 10:05 pm : link
Either. That puck was a pop fly and Pastrnak came from 10+ feet away
Sadly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 10:09 pm : link
both studio guys intimated that it was even a borderline penalty as they stated a foot was still touching the ice when the hit came.

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I rewound it and watched the hit on Girardi again
Greg from LI : 9:56 pm : link : reply
It's criminal that it was only a minor. Fucker left his feet to lay a blindside hit to the head.


I thought both feet were off the ice and there was a clear intent to hit the head.
Pirri!!  
Deej : 10/26/2016 10:10 pm : link
cant believe what a steal he is
Pirri  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 10:10 pm : link
With more delicious gravy for fat ass Claude!
Hell of a pass from Miller to set all that up  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 10:10 pm : link
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ayoooo  
Sonic Youth : 10/26/2016 10:10 pm : link
PIRRI!
Pirri again!  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 10:10 pm : link
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Four..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 10:11 pm : link
in a row!
The man knows how to score.  
arcarsenal : 10/26/2016 10:11 pm : link
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Millsy having a tough night.  
arcarsenal : 10/26/2016 10:11 pm : link
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Would like to see Miller bury it  
Deej : 10/26/2016 10:12 pm : link
but I like how he dumped the dman there. Real power move for a kid.

Vesey!!!!!!!!!
Now vesey  
Sonic Youth : 10/26/2016 10:12 pm : link
Awesome. what do you guys think his ceiling is?
The kid!  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 10:12 pm : link
And some nasty for that scrub Pasternak.
Wowzers.  
arcarsenal : 10/26/2016 10:12 pm : link
Vesey Season!
Vesey!!  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 10:12 pm : link
Beautiful pass by Nash!
Boom!  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 10:12 pm : link
This team can really score in bunches. Great pass from Nash and Vesey finishes yet again
Oh, Fuck Boston!  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 10:13 pm : link
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It's like FIFA 97  
Deej : 10/26/2016 10:13 pm : link
carry deep, crossing pass, goal. every time.

Vesey is just really good at do things great goal scorers need to do. Sounds silly to say, but it's not easy to do.
Pasternak (or however the fuck you spell it)  
redbeard : 10/26/2016 10:13 pm : link
Is a real little cunt isn't he?
Beautiful goal!  
mfsd : 10/26/2016 10:14 pm : link
Doing what we should do to a team of chumps
Swarming now  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 10:14 pm : link
And all this without Kreider who's been heir best player this year
RE: Now vesey  
Deej : 10/26/2016 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13192562 Sonic Youth said:
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Awesome. what do you guys think his ceiling is?


Honestly, he's 35 or 40 goal capable. Just a knack for the net. Maybe a little worse depending on his shot which we havent seen a ton of.
Poor Miller  
Deej : 10/26/2016 10:18 pm : link
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Chara might be more of a sled  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 10:18 pm : link
than the Warrior. He's fuckin terrible.
Heh.....Grabner still cant finish  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 10:18 pm : link
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RE: RE: Now vesey  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13192576 Deej said:
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In comment 13192562 Sonic Youth said:


Quote:


Awesome. what do you guys think his ceiling is?



Honestly, he's 35 or 40 goal capable. Just a knack for the net. Maybe a little worse depending on his shot which we havent seen a ton of.


Ceiling? Pretty damn high. He looks like he'll be a 50 point player in short order.
Somebody has  
chopperhatch : 10/26/2016 10:21 pm : link
Gotta go out there and teach this Pasternak kid a lesson.
how is that not a penalty  
Sonic Youth : 10/26/2016 10:22 pm : link
WTF
Nice tackle by the Bruins  
mfsd : 10/26/2016 10:23 pm : link
Free safety. Saved a touchdown
All legal?  
nygmen84 : 10/26/2016 10:23 pm : link
GTFO
RE: Somebody has  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13192582 chopperhatch said:
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Gotta go out there and teach this Pasternak kid a lesson.


No need. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Don't back down, but no need to to hunting. Rangers have no hunters anyhow
I know this is a cakewalk..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 10:23 pm : link
but that's a penalty every fucking time.
Don't know why Staal is being that aggressive witb a 3 goal lead  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 10:28 pm : link
They're lucky it didn't cost them
Some turnaround. Dominated for 25 minutes, then Nash scores and  
yatqb : 10/26/2016 10:36 pm : link
we've been skating them out of the rink since then.
would have been easy to get dejected  
Deej : 10/26/2016 10:42 pm : link
after that first period. Important win.
Solid win  
mfsd : 10/26/2016 10:53 pm : link
Would have been criminal not to abuse the bus league goalie
Geez! The NBCSN team  
Stufftherun : 10/26/2016 11:02 pm : link
is giving the Blueshirts a whole lot of love! Well, all but Milbury who plays the heel.
The reason  
PaulN : 10/26/2016 11:17 pm : link
Is that the Rangers look fantastic, Girardi is playing good hockey if you fucking cry babies could stop whining for a second and watch the game without your fucking I am right ego's at work for once.

This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.

We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.

Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.
Jooris  
jv : 10/26/2016 11:18 pm : link
Has a separated shoulder and is heading to IR so that solves the extra forward problem.
....  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 11:19 pm : link




Must say Pirri is looking like the free-agent signing of the offseason so far (excludes superstars who signed with their original teams of course)
This one works for Paul too  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 11:20 pm : link
Holden is absolutely not playing well, Paul  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 11:23 pm : link
I'm not going to bother talking about Girardi anymore because it's a moot point, but Clendening belongs on ice and Holden belongs in a suit during games.
Gorton absolutely nailed it  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 11:26 pm : link
this offseason. The forward depth is fantastic and AV should get some credit (if we're gonna rip him for the D) for trusting some of this kids and empowering them to utilize their talent in the best ways

I think it should be Holden's time to sit. Tough night for him, Clendening deserves to get back in. And frankly, other than McD, none of the other defenseman are head and shoulders above the rest. Nobody should be sitting for an extended period.
the forward group looks great  
Davisian : 10/27/2016 12:01 am : link
The defense is suspect, but they have in house options they need to play before going to the market.

If you think Holden and Girardi need to be in the lineup at all times over Clendening and McIlrath, then I would like to roll you a fat doobie, light it and tell you that you're wrong.


It's not hating on the former to expect development over a long season of the latter.


Yes, Seth, I enjoyed this win. Still need to think about the way this roster is deployed to see how they can deal from strength come trade deadline.

Also,  
Davisian : 10/27/2016 12:13 am : link
Free Randy.

What is the issue with McIlrath?  
chopperhatch : 10/27/2016 1:05 am : link
Ive been late on this development, but I thought that while he made some mistakes last year, he is a big tough guy who can skate and has decent skill. Am I missing something? He reminded me of Michael Sauer pre injury. He is being mentioned in trades and yet it seems we have a D or two that are not as promising as he is. Holden for example. What am I missing. I dont follow the farm nearly as much as some of you guys but I saw thus guy as maybe being Girardi's heir as team badass.


Sorry if this is an old convo, but I would hate to lose his game. While tough guys dont have as much of a role, this guy has skill. Would love our own version of Brent Seabrooke to go with some of our other youth.
I don't get the issue with Dylan either  
MetsAreBack : 10/27/2016 1:19 am : link
They've been trying to deal him for a month but no one is interested ... Or they are just waiting for him to be put on waivers. I saw enough positive last year that if he were exposed I'd pounce personally.

Hopefully - all respect to jooris - but they were probably cutting or demoting mcilraith this weekend when Buch came back.... Now not so sure what happens with jooris out a while.
Nice start to the season  
Torrag : 10/27/2016 4:40 am : link
..and Buch coming back doesn't hurt. He has hockey instincts you can't teach combined with surprising lower body power for such a young guy.
I'm the first to eat crow on Pirri.  
Carl in CT : 10/27/2016 6:47 am : link
Didn't see a place for him especially on the 4th line. Didn't think too much about special teams. He can really shoot it.
The games I've seen  
Jay in Toronto : 10/27/2016 6:52 am : link
Hayes looks like a different player. One of the the announcers apparently agrees, commenting that he may be the most improved player in the NHL
Fantasic 180 by the Rangers last night  
Rover : 10/27/2016 8:57 am : link
Didn't see that coming, team at least up front really reminds me of the Pens. Excellent job by Gorton and co getting that depth.
RE: Fantasic 180 by the Rangers last night  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 9:01 am : link
In comment 13192736 Rover said:
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team at least up front really reminds me of the Pens.


How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 9:05 am : link
especially up front. There is no Crosby or Malkin, or even a Kessel on the Rangers.

I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.

The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.
RE: The games I've seen  
bigbluehoya : 10/27/2016 9:11 am : link
In comment 13192663 Jay in Toronto said:
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Hayes looks like a different player. One of the the announcers apparently agrees, commenting that he may be the most improved player in the NHL


The weight he lost has made a huge difference. Not sure if it's changed his top speed, but you can see it in his change of direction and his burst. It makes it easier to see that he's back checking hard, committed to being a two-way C, and not "lazy" as he'd been labeled previously (which I think was at least partially due to his previously below average skating/acceleration)

He's also made huge strides at the dots, and now even takes a bunch of DZ draws. We all shit on the importance of faceoffs (myself included), and to a great extent it's justified, but it sure is nice not to be getting dominated in that facet.
RE: How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 13192754 pjcas18 said:
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I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.


Like how Blair McDonald scored 46 goals on Gretzky's wing, just three years before he landed back in the A.
Hayes  
Deej : 10/27/2016 9:43 am : link
also probably just had a sophomore slump, and is becoming more of a man physically. Big bodies take longer to develop, we've seen again and again.
Starting to get real excited for this team  
Giants in 07 : 10/27/2016 9:45 am : link
Are they quick or what?

So fun to watch.
RE: Starting to get real excited for this team  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/27/2016 9:46 am : link
In comment 13192819 Giants in 07 said:
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Are they quick or what?

So fun to watch.


Have your or have you not been made infamous over a viral Youtube video?
They're exciting but kind of erratic  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 9:48 am : link
If they could add even one quality defenseman, I'd feel better about their chances of contending.
RE: RE: Starting to get real excited for this team  
Giants in 07 : 10/27/2016 10:09 am : link
In comment 13192821 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
Quote:
In comment 13192819 Giants in 07 said:


Quote:


Are they quick or what?

So fun to watch.



Have your or have you not been made infamous over a viral Youtube video?


Yes, I answered you in the other thread you asked. Ancient history.

Greg - They look better than I thought they would look. I only skimmed the pre-game portion of this thread, but saw Clendening's name mentioned...they need to get him back in the lineup. Why isn't Klein on the top line?
Hampus Lindholm re-signs with the Ducks  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 10:10 am : link
Bob McKenzieVerified account
‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.




So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon
Pasternak  
jv : 10/27/2016 10:16 am : link
will have a hearing tomorrow. NHL is so unpredictable with what they consider suspension worthy so I'm honestly surprised.
RE: Hampus Lindholm re-signs with the Ducks  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 10:21 am : link
In comment 13192853 Anakim said:
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Bob McKenzieVerified account
‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.




So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon


Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.



I know it is tough to sit guys after a loss  
Deej : 10/27/2016 10:22 am : link
but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.
RE: RE: Hampus Lindholm re-signs with the Ducks  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 10:22 am : link
In comment 13192870 pjcas18 said:
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Bob McKenzieVerified account
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Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.




So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon



Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.




Because they need cap space and because Stoner is essentially untradeable and Bieksa has a NTC
RE: I know it is tough to sit guys after a loss  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 10:24 am : link
In comment 13192872 Deej said:
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but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.


Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.

The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.
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Anakim : 10/27/2016 10:30 am : link
Mark Easson ‏@myNHLTradeRumor
Going off of @CapFriendly 's numbers, Ducks need to clear at least $1,419,803 in cap space ... $775,000 for Etem put them at about $645,000
Someone in my class said he's hearing (Donald Trump hearing)  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 10:33 am : link
That the Rangers are close to trading for either Vatanen, Fowler or Trouba.



Probably bullshit. Probably barbershop talk but stay tuned.
RE: RE: Hampus Lindholm re-signs with the Ducks  
Deej : 10/27/2016 10:35 am : link
In comment 13192870 pjcas18 said:
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Bob McKenzieVerified account
‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hampus Lindholm and ANA agree to terms on a six-year contract with an AAV of $5.25M.




So I expect Fowler or Vatanen to be traded soon



Vatanen just signed an extension in June, why would they trade him.


They extended him as a matter of asset management. They'd consider trading him because it's not great to have 3 dmen playing the same side making 5.25, 5, and 4 million respectively. Though I think that issue is overblown a bit.

Also, they have to protect Bieksa because of his NMC, meaning that one of Lindholm, Vat, or Fowler will be exposed in the expansion draft if not traded. Alternatively, they can protect 8 skaters instead of 7 F and 3 D, but that's not ideal either -- Perry, Getz, and Kessler have NMCs, so with those Ds that's 7/8 protections. It would probably cost them Rackell (who they just extended for 23/6) or Silfverberg (15/4). Those two are probably just as important as Vat for Fowler to the Ducks.
Holden only played about 14 minutes  
Kyle in NY : 10/27/2016 10:36 am : link
I think there's a decent chance he comes out
Also  
Deej : 10/27/2016 10:40 am : link
Carlyle is known as uniquely terrible for possession numbers, so if you're going to have to trade a D, do it now before the market starts devaluing your players due to poor advanced metrics.
RE: RE: I know it is tough to sit guys after a loss  
Deej : 10/27/2016 10:41 am : link
In comment 13192876 Greg from LI said:
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but after Holden's massive fuck up on the opening goal, AV either needs to start Clendo next time out or admit that there will be no accountability once again for ham and egg type dmen on this team.



Sure there is - for McIlrath and Clendening, just not for Holden.

The reason I hate Vigneault so much is that he SHOULD be an excellent coach. His system is sound and effective, but he is just so incredibly stubborn and blind when it comes to personnel, and he has such obvious double standards for his favorites versus the guys he doesn't like.


TBH, it's a crime if McIlrath gets back in before Clendo. AC has outplayed McIlrath (and Holden, KK, and Girardi) so far.
My point is why not just trade  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 10:42 am : link
Fowler?

He's got one year left after this season then he's a UFA and talent wise you can make a case Vatanen is a better fit/need with their roster.

R/L is more of an issue with certain coaches, a lot of D like playing opposite side, especially in the offensive zone.

I couldn't do it, but I was supposed to be a lefty anyway, my father just didn't know shit when he got me a stick.
I'm naturally left handed  
Deej : 10/27/2016 11:03 am : link
but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.
RE: I'm naturally left handed  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 11:12 am : link
In comment 13192934 Deej said:
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but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.


It does, and that's how you're supposed to shoot. Naturally left-handed people should be right handed shots and vice versa.

My father didn't know any better and bought me a righty stick because I am right-handed, like a lot of parents would do and I played righty my whole life.

I almost made the same mistake with my youngest. I just bought her a righty stick and handed it to her, but I was watching her instincts as soon as they gave her a puck and it was obvious she was a lefty. She was two-days in when I fixed my mistake.
RE: I'm naturally left handed  
Giants in 07 : 10/27/2016 11:13 am : link
In comment 13192934 Deej said:
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but for hockey I shoot righty. Though I really think they should reverse the nomenclature -- I think it makes way more sense to have your dominant hand on the top of the stick.


Agree and same. I'm righty and shoot lefty, but was taught to shoot righty. Never felt right
RE: Fantasic 180 by the Rangers last night  
djm : 10/27/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 13192736 Rover said:
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Didn't see that coming, team at least up front really reminds me of the Pens. Excellent job by Gorton and co getting that depth.


Hate.
my dad is right handed and shot lefty  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 11:16 am : link
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RE: my dad is right handed and shot lefty  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 11:18 am : link
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That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.

just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.
RE: RE: my dad is right handed and shot lefty  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 11:55 am : link
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That is the proper way. Almost all right handed people should shoot lefty and left-handed people should shoot righty.

just what happens a lot is parents sign their kids up for youth hockey and don't know any better, buy the kid the wrong stick and they learn that way. When you've never handled or shot a puck your brain will allow you to learn to do it the "wrong" way.



I'm a righty, but I feel more comfortable shooting right-handed. I can shoot left-handed, but I don't feel as comfortable doing it.
McIlrath is on waivers  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 12:10 pm : link
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Couldn't they just place Jooris on IR?  
arcarsenal : 10/27/2016 12:13 pm : link
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they already did that  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 12:14 pm : link
As I've said before, I don't think McIlrath will be more than an average defenseman, but what a terrible waste of resources.
RE: Couldn't they just place Jooris on IR?  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13193098 arcarsenal said:
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Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
Even with Jooris eligible for IR, Rangers weren't going to keep 8 defensemen...hence, McIlrath on waivers...probably 50/50 on claim.
I just bought a stick to be held  
Jay in Toronto : 10/27/2016 12:21 pm : link
the same way as if I batted with the stick.

Maybe that is why I sucked?
Oy..  
arcarsenal : 10/27/2016 12:23 pm : link
Meanwhile Nick Holden will continue to play on the top pair.... and AC will sit because of his "inefficient touches"..

Hate to constantly bitch about the coach he just has such strange logic sometimes.
my mistake  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 12:39 pm : link
I thought I had read that they put Jooris on IR
I forget how waivers work  
Deej : 10/27/2016 12:49 pm : link
if he is claimed, do we have to give him up or can we pull him back? Im pretty sure they got rid of re-entry waivers.

In any event, I recently read that if McIlrath does not play 42 games in the NHL this season, he becomes a Group IV free agent.
Dylan on Waivers  
Carl in CT : 10/27/2016 12:52 pm : link
Make me think something else is going to happen.
I don't think they can pull him back  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 12:52 pm : link
Watch him play well for someone else. God, that will suck if it happens.

Since they could have simply placed Jooris and IR and didn't, I gotta believe a deal is coming soon.
SMH  
MetsAreBack : 10/27/2016 12:53 pm : link
With this team way too often. You just knew he had played his last game as a ranger when God forbid he received a bad penalty call in the 2nd period of a 3-1 game and then didn't see the ice in the third.

Maybe he won't be a great defender but he is already better than Holden. Unfortunately I guess he didn't pass Patrick Roy's eye test or he'd still be here.
Will be interesting to see if he's claimed  
Kyle in NY : 10/27/2016 12:54 pm : link
I'd think he would but maybe the opinion on him around the league just isn't that high
RE: I forget how waivers work  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13193195 Deej said:
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if he is claimed, do we have to give him up or can we pull him back? Im pretty sure they got rid of re-entry waivers.

In any event, I recently read that if McIlrath does not play 42 games in the NHL this season, he becomes a Group IV free agent.


I don't think you can pull him back. Not 100% sure, but if he's claimed, he's gone
I don't think it's like baseball where you can pull a guy back  
MetsAreBack : 10/27/2016 12:54 pm : link
Is it?

They've been trying to deal #6 for two months. I think they are just going to let him go at this point.
I would think that he's going to clear  
Deej : 10/27/2016 12:57 pm : link
if we've been shopping him, we must know if someone was willing to offer anything, even a #7. If some team was offering a late round pick, why would we waive him and lose him for nothing to that team? Maybe my logic is off.

In any event, my guess is he wont amount to even an average NHL dman. But in part that's because he wasnt developed here and given a chance. He was a good AHL dman.
We've definitely done wrong  
Kyle in NY : 10/27/2016 1:18 pm : link
by the kid. At this point I'm mostly hoping someone claims him to give him a shot and we can move on. A lot of good happening in the organization this season despite this screw up.
Can't be pulled back  
Davisian : 10/27/2016 1:25 pm : link
And you know he's going to the Flyers and will pound Rangers skill players for years.
I could see either  
jv : 10/27/2016 1:27 pm : link
Boston or Edmonton grabbing him. Both could use defenders and he kinda fits the mold for tough players that they like.
On the other hand, Deej....  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 1:28 pm : link
...if it's well known that a team is trying to unload a marginal player and will waive him if they can't find a deal, unless you had unusually strong opinions on that player, why trade anything when you can just claim him for nothing?
So there you go  
Anakim : 10/27/2016 2:25 pm : link
Jets (Trouba) are going to be without Bryan Little for another month

Blues (Shattenkirk) waived Paajarvi

Ducks (Vatanen and Fowler) extended Lindholm and put Nate Thompson on LTIR

And we waived McIlrath




Moving pieces!!!!!
Well there's this:  
jv : 10/27/2016 2:55 pm : link
Per Pierre LeBrun:

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Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade


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Despres is on LTIR so Ducks save on cap there... Bob Murray said the Simon Despres situation is a "sensitive issue" and intimated it'll be a long-term thing. Wouldn't elaborate.
RE: How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins  
Rover : 10/27/2016 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13192754 pjcas18 said:
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especially up front. There is no Crosby or Malkin, or even a Kessel on the Rangers.

I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.

The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.


1. Both play an up tempo game without a true checking line.
2. Both don't have the stingiest of defense

Similar "style" albeit with much different personnel.

Sidenote...Zucc or Kreider would be IDEAL forwards on Crosby's wing.
Not as ideal as you  
Davisian : 10/27/2016 3:15 pm : link
fucking yourself
RE: Not as ideal as you  
Rover : 10/27/2016 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13193480 Davisian said:
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fucking yourself

Or Mike in Long Beach.
RE: RE: How do they possibly remind you of the Penguins  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13193464 Rover said:
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especially up front. There is no Crosby or Malkin, or even a Kessel on the Rangers.

I've said it before, you could put two empty jerseys on a line with Crosby and they'd become 60 point players.

The Rangers have skill guys but their system and their personnel are nothing like the Penguins.



1. Both play an up tempo game without a true checking line.
2. Both don't have the stingiest of defense

Similar "style" albeit with much different personnel.

Sidenote...Zucc or Kreider would be IDEAL forwards on Crosby's wing.


Well to be fair, that's half the league that wants to play that style.

the personnel makes the teams very different.

especially on specials.

penguins D were mostly jags and letang, but I think in the playoffs a couple of those guys proved to be a little underrated.
McIlrath wasn't just about his play  
JoeMoney19 : 10/27/2016 3:32 pm : link
He filled a need. They have nobody now that sends a message. Like when Girardi got hit in the head last night. Who's standing up in that situation now?
RE: The reason  
SethFromAstoria : 10/27/2016 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13192613 PaulN said:
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Is that the Rangers look fantastic, Girardi is playing good hockey if you fucking cry babies could stop whining for a second and watch the game without your fucking I am right ego's at work for once.

This team is playing great, and for all you haters this coach has won more games since the 2006 season then any other coach in the game. Has 2 Stanley Cup appearances, and has 3 Presidents Cups, I know no Stanley Cup yet, but I think this guy is right on the cusp of one with this team.

We have added Pirri, Grabner, Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad at forward, and Clendening, and Holden on defense, all who are playing well, and all you hear is bitching and complaining. from the same ones. Watch the game and enjoy the product, this is a very exciting team and Vesey, Buchnevich, and Zibanejad look to be special players.

Think how well Jeff Gorton has done this off season without much cap flexibility at all.



You miss the point which is what I was doing for way too long. It's not relevant whether he is doing well or badly. it's not relevant that he was supposed to be out a while but plays injured because he's that type of player. The guys here have turned playing hard through major injuries as selfish and harming the team (we don't have enough Holden at 20min per game...he should be getting 29).

No the point is that if there is a Ranger game we wait and see where we can find a time someone did something good on the other team and blame #5 for it. For instance in game one i think it was, a puck was shot off a pad and bounced oddly off the boards. EIther way, it bouced CLOSE to Giardi and passed him where an elite forward picked it up and spun it the other way. Obvuiously JT is no match for a charging elite forward so he gets floppy and beaten for the goal. The quote here was "no need to discuss what wa a clear flub at the blueline by Girardi leading to a BREAKAWAY).

And that sums up the rest of his time here. That and the booing in my section by sewage with tickets who read that he sucks on some site they think keeps them at the cutting edge of analysis. The same blog that screamed about goalue depth and forward depth. None of it matters nor makes sense. No one will admit they sounded silly, and most will come here everyday to talk about the same thing because there's even a buncg of peole who would much rather be "right" than cheer Girardi for blasting a game winner home or comingb back from an injury that costs a baseball player 4 weeks.


This is all while the team is fucking joyous to watch and as fun as its been, you have to remind yourself it was negarive when the team went to the FInals. it is what it is here.
RE: RE: The reason  
Mad Mike : 10/27/2016 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13193542 SethFromAstoria said:
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You miss the point

Not very self-aware.
You're really cherry-picking here  
bigbluehoya : 10/27/2016 4:11 pm : link
This place has been pretty damned upbeat about the way the team has played so far, and the bashing has been mostly of Holden (which is the right target even if the criticism has been super strong).

When the discussion turns to the long term asset management of the team from here out (expansion, etc), the tone around Girardi is negative. There isn't any denying that. But of course it's negative. It isn't a good contract value-wise at this point, and the NMC is an issue.

By and large, people have been pretty fair with he Warrior so far this season.
RE: Well there's this:  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 4:31 pm : link
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Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade


I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"


Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!

RE: RE: Well there's this:  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13193584 Greg from LI said:
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Ducks GM Bob Murray on media call says they're ok at this point on the salary cap, doesn't have to necessarily make a trade




I'm not sure you can really take that at face value. I mean, what's he going to say? "Damn, man, we have GOT to unload someone! We're desperate to make a deal!"


Also, while I know this is from last season, I HAVE to post it. Nick Holden, ladies and gentlemen!



At least he hit the puck, we have a saying in Men's league when a guy fans on a one-timer and misses the puck and falls in the process it's called the "fake shot fall" move. It's hilarious when it happens in a game with a mid-30's - mid-40 year old doing it.

not so hilarious when a pro does it.

Here is an example of fake shot fall

BTW Jooris is out 3-4 weeks  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 4:39 pm : link
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heh..Berglund really ate some ice there  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2016 4:40 pm : link
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