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Deej : 10/26/2016 10:14 am
Maybe no Rask for Boston. Kreider and Buch will not play.
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The only problem with the Talbot  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 1:34 pm : link
trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.

so when the did trade him it seemed like a letdown.

In the past 20 years the Canadiens traded Roy, Theodore, Thibault, Halak, Budaj, Huet, Tokarski, and so many more - no one trades goalies like the Canadiens you just don't get what you think you will for goalies. Especially mostly unproven or to that point predominantly backup goalies.
Well of course Hagelin (and Stralman) were underrated  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 1:36 pm : link
by the entire league. The best GMs - e.g., Theo Epstein - are ahead of the curve in their decisions.

Dont get me wrong, I love Gorton's past offseason, so hopefully we don't fuck up like this going forward because realistically if we want Hank to get one we cannot afford to.

But it is sad when most of BBI knew right away how bad these two decisions were. That's the frustrating part... along with Anaheim dumping him for peanuts 3 months later.
RE: The only problem with the Talbot  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13191977 pjcas18 said:
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trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.


Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.
RE: hah  
Rover : 10/26/2016 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13191791 Greg from LI said:
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GoldenTee loves the Patriots and Celtics as well as the Penguins. Color me shocked.

Not like that....I'm not of fan of those two...I'm happy if they win...but there not my teams.
Everybody usually has some group of teams they like but don't love/live and die with and some they hate.

Fan: Giants
Like (when not impacting Giants): Pats
Hate: 49ers

Some unfortunate media news  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 1:44 pm : link
Rick Carpinello got laid off at the journal news. Too bad, his game recaps were always must reads for me the day after.
Rangers Report - ( New Window )
the single biggest anchor around their necks is exactly what many of  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 2:00 pm : link
us said it would be at the time - signing both Staal and Girardi to big money contracts. Staal now plays at the level of a 3rd pairing defenseman and Girardi is one of the very worst defensemen in hockey, but together they eat up 15% of the team's cap.
RE: RE: The only problem with the Talbot  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13191988 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13191977 pjcas18 said:


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trade IMO was that people (not sure who, fans, twitter, beat writers) were leaking potential trade returns or offers that sounded unrealistic.




Gorton looked and sounded really disappointed on draft day last year, so i think there was some substance to it. Sharks and Sabres were both believed to be very interested and both traded firsts for their guys -- particularly Buffalo, i have a hard time believing any front office valued Lehner higher than Cam.


I'm not saying there wasn't demand for Talbot, I'm just saying the potential returns leaked were possibly exaggerated setting fans up to be disappointed - I think the return for Talbot was about right.

Talbot was pretty much a known commodity. Lehner still isn't as old as Talbot when Talbot made his NHL debut and Lehner has been in the league 7 years, he (Lehner) has been the "next big goalie" for a long time. Never panned out.

I think he was still thought of as having a higher ceiling than Talbot, but also a lower floor.

Just my take.
RE: Some unfortunate media news  
BrettNYG10 : 10/26/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13192001 Kyle in NY said:
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Rick Carpinello got laid off at the journal news. Too bad, his game recaps were always must reads for me the day after. Rangers Report - ( New Window )


Not the biggest fan of Carp, but depressing to see a lot of good guys get laid off.

I think the bloggers do some great work across the league. I read BSB over Brooks most of the time, for example.
against my better judgment  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 2:18 pm : link
I actually read the Cyrgalis puff piece on Holden that Brett mentioned earlier. Dear. God. I didn't think my opinion of Vigneault could sink lower, but this will do it:

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It was funny, we were coming back from Buffalo, I got a call as I got off the plane in Ottawa from Patrick Roy saying to me, You just got one of my better defensemen, Vigneault remembered


A)Awesome, one of the better defensemen from an awful defense!
B)Vigneault is going with Patrick Roy's ace scouting reports now. How wonderful.

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I talked to [Roy] about it at that time, How do you see him? Vigneault said. He told us he could be anywhere from a fourth to a sixth defenseman on a good team


And that explains why he's playing....um....on the top pair?

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Although much of the talk has been about how fast and offensively explosive they have looked thus far, the fact they are stout in their own end again is equally encouraging and that is due in part to the steadiness of Holden.


Yep, that's what they've been - stout in their own end!

RE: I don't like the sound of the Kreider thing.  
Deej : 10/26/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13191939 Victor in CT said:
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"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.


Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):

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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."


I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.
RE: RE: I don't like the sound of the Kreider thing.  
Victor in CT : 10/26/2016 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13192097 Deej said:
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In comment 13191939 Victor in CT said:


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"might be more than day-to-day." has an eerie, Mets medical staff connotation to it.



Dont over read it. AV said this about Girardi, who missed 3 games (tonight will be game 2 for CK):



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"He's got a hip-flexor. We will know the severity tomorrow. At this time I would say that he is a little bit more than day to day."



I think "more than day to day" is AV's coach speak for guys who arent hurt long term but are off the coach's radar because they're definitely missing the next game. "Day to day" would be guys who might suit up tomorrow/next game.


Let's hope
I really think  
jv : 10/26/2016 3:10 pm : link
they're showcasing players and preparing for a trade.

I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...
RE: I really think  
Deej : 10/26/2016 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13192115 jv said:
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they're showcasing players and preparing for a trade.

I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...


Kreider was having an MVP type season before the injury. You dont take him out of the lineup to showcase Josh Jooris.
Stralman was a way worse decision than Hagelin  
Vanzetti : 10/26/2016 3:36 pm : link
Unbelievable they signed Girardi and Staal to these albatross contracts and then let Stralman sign with TB for way less.

And as fate would have it, TB beats us in the finals, with Stralman moving the puck like a dream. Also, if you keep Stralman, the Yandle deal likely never happens and Rangers still have the Duke.
RE: RE: I really think  
Drewcon40 : 10/26/2016 3:45 pm : link
In comment jv said:
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they're showcasing players and preparing for a trade.

I think a few of these injuries are a little suspect. Seems there's a case of spasms running through the locker room...


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Deej said:
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Kreider was having an MVP type season before the injury. You dont take him out of the lineup to showcase Josh Jooris.


Deej - I agree. I know it's early but I don't think you would bench Kreider under any circumstances to showcase in a trade.

A trade or someone of minor significance would likely be lost to waivers soon.
Duclair  
Deej : 10/26/2016 3:48 pm : link
pointless in 6 games. His 20 goals from last season are almost certainly a bit of a mirage, since his 19% shooting percentage is such an outlier. Let's be generous and say he'd be a 13 percent shooter (ie. higher than wings Kane and Ovie). His goal output falls to 14 in 81 games; Hagelin's rookie year pace was almost 18 had he played 81 games.

Just sayin'. The legend of Duclair is getting away from itself. Reminds me of the time a rookie Prucha score 30, on 23.1% shooting.
I hear you  
jv : 10/26/2016 3:55 pm : link
he's killing it right now. These spasms that players have gotten keep allowing the team to keep too many players. I don't doubt that that Buchnevich, Kreider and Klein have had some discomfort. I just don't quite believe it's REALLY bad enough that they would have had to miss multiple games and go on IR. Just a convenient injury is all...

If everyone is healthy enough to play what's your move? Send Skjei to Hartford? Put Jooris on waivers and either lose him to another team or he decides to take that offer in Switzerland? Waive McIlrath and lose him for nothing?

I just think Gorton is legitimately looking to make a trade that will fix the 24 man roster issue and prevent us from having to lose a player for nothing.
I'd waive Jooris  
Deej : 10/26/2016 4:17 pm : link
I think he's terribly replacable. I think they will do that, or waive/trade McIlrath. Indeed, if we had more flexibility, I think AV would prefer having Boo up over Jooris.

Im not convinced Jooris is materially better than Hrivik, Jensen, Nieves, or Fontaine. Jooris seems to define "marginal roster player", and given our lack of recallable depth, it seems obvious that you risk losing him vs. McIlrath. Even though carrying 8 D's is weird. It's a little odd to me that the only NHL experience we have on D in Hartford is Chris Summers.
If it's simply to buy themselves a few weeks  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 4:41 pm : link
To get a trade done, I wouldn't mind seeing them send Skjei down temporarily.
Brady Skjei  
Deej : 10/26/2016 4:53 pm : link
2 assists in 6 games with no PP time. 2nd on team in hits (Kreider). 51.4 CF% 52 FF% (both 3rd among Ds after Clendo and McD). 50/50 zone starts.

Rangers came into the season as a bubble playoff team. Even if we're better than that, every seed counts. Im not demoting Skjei to protect the likes of Josh Jooris as a 14th forward.
Agree long term  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 5:00 pm : link
I'm referring to a situation where they're pretty far along in talks and just not quite there. IF there's a trade happening, there's a pretty good chance jooris would be your 12th forward after the trade, in which case you don't want to lose him while the plane is on the runway.

But, I'm less hawkish on trading any of the forwards for D than most seem to be, so Skjei should stay up and play if I had my druthers.
We would have to trade 2 forwards to make Jooris #12  
Deej : 10/26/2016 5:03 pm : link
and even then, he would likely be supplanted by one of the players I mentioned above.
A tweet pointed out  
Davisian : 10/26/2016 5:08 pm : link
If they get rid of Jooris, that just means Glass is one step closer to a comeback...

Get rid of McIlrath and Jooris, but have Glass around?


That's like banning Randy and Milton but keeping Rover around.

Yup  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 5:12 pm : link
Skjei down for 5-6 games isn't a big enough deal to lose pieces, IMO.

And I like Skjei a lot. Fingers crossed they don't ship him off in a scramble for RD.
Backes had surgery today  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 6:17 pm : link
So he won't be playing tonight.
Speaking of backup goalies  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 7:36 pm : link
Watching some of the Isles game against Montreal, pretty funny how they get to face Montoya tonight instead of the perfectly healthy Carey Price. Must be nice.
RE: Speaking of backup goalies  
pjcas18 : 10/26/2016 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13192337 Kyle in NY said:
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Watching some of the Isles game against Montreal, pretty funny how they get to face Montoya tonight instead of the perfectly healthy Carey Price. Must be nice.


He's not Price, but Montoya has been fantastic this year. I was against the signing when I learned about it, but he's the best backup I've seen in MTL in a long long time.
For sure  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 7:52 pm : link
he's probably the best backup in the league. But I do get a kick out of how many backups they get. And how annoyed their fans get when it's brought up
Isles haven't won a non backup facing game since 1982  
Davisian : 10/26/2016 7:56 pm : link
#stats
There's the patented early garbage goal  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:11 pm : link
Rangers got it now.
What a huge fuckup by Holden  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 8:11 pm : link
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Literally..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/26/2016 8:14 pm : link
turned the TV on as the puck is going into the net. WTF!
RE: What a huge fuckup by Holden  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13192373 Anakim said:
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It's all good though, Patrick Roy vouched for his abilities
Pierre Creepy McGuire  
B in ALB : 10/26/2016 8:19 pm : link
"Hey, when you were training in the summer did you ever Greco Roman wrestle yer dad?"

Fuckin Pierre. What a creep.
Do we have a shot on goal?  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 8:21 pm : link
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Looked like Holden's touch was  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:22 pm : link
"a little inefficient".
RE: Looked like Holden's touch was  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13192393 NYerInMA said:
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"a little inefficient".


The touch wasn't the problem, the fact that he collapsed the middle on the guy already covered and left Czarniak wide open was the problem.
RE: RE: Looked like Holden's touch was  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13192397 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 13192393 NYerInMA said:


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"a little inefficient".



The touch wasn't the problem, the fact that he collapsed the middle on the guy already covered and left Czarniak wide open was the problem.


Yeah, I'm just mocking AV for his reason to bench Clendening.
Why no, no we don't have a shot on goal  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 8:25 pm : link
If fucking Holden doesn't hit the press box after tonight, my head in going to explode. If that had been McIlrath, he'd be out of ths lineup for six weeks.
You know how this game is gonna go  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/26/2016 8:29 pm : link
this back up goalie is gonna play like Patrick Roy.
And of course Miller can't put it in on a breakaway  
Greg from LI : 10/26/2016 8:29 pm : link
It just wouldn't be a Ranger game without that.
.  
Anakim : 10/26/2016 8:31 pm : link
Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman
As Nick Holden gets PP time, let's remember that Keith Yandle did not get on the first PP unit last year until January.
Skjei can't  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:32 pm : link
play so conservatively at the offensive blue line
So Clendening and Rath are scratched tonight?  
MetsAreBack : 10/26/2016 8:37 pm : link

I give up. I wanted to believe AV learned something this past offseason, but apparently dominating the first couple of games possession and shot wise wasnt challenging enough for coach.
There's Henrik's WTF goal for the night  
NYerInMA : 10/26/2016 8:38 pm : link
Gotta have that one.
Gimme a break, Henrik  
bigbluehoya : 10/26/2016 8:38 pm : link
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Really, Hank?  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:38 pm : link
...
I remember a couple months back  
djm : 10/26/2016 8:39 pm : link
"Rover," who seemed ok for a bit or at least didn't trip my radar let it slip on some thread something about attendance comparisons. And I thought no way... this can't be him. Then he did it again. The fucker just can't resist. Weirdo festish for attendance numbers and a desire to root for multiple teams in the same division.
.  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:39 pm : link
Though a weak play by Klein with the puck and too much room given by Skeji
The constant "AV sucks" brigade  
Kyle in NY : 10/26/2016 8:40 pm : link
is about as insufferable as the start to this game.
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