he led the NFL in rushing his rookie year in 1936 (830 yards in 12 games).
There are no stats for linemen, but Roosevelt Brown and Mel Hein were both immediate starters their rookie seasons and had long careers.
The same is almost true for Sam Huff and MLB. He didn't start until the 3rd or 4th game in 1956, but once he got into the lineup he made an immediate impact and was a fixture of a revolutionary defense.
Tucker caught more passes than any other tight end in the 70's. He was a good blocker as well. The fact he never made a pro bowl I think was because the team was so bad back then he didn't get enough press.
Carl banks did not become a regular starter until midway through 1985. The first year and a half Byron hunt started most games and Banks rotated in-and-out.
Linebackers: Taylor, Huff, Carson, Banks, Van Pelt
Linemen: Strahan,Archer, Rosey Grier, JPP
Defensive Back: Landon Collins,Emlen Tunnel, Dick Lynch, Mark Haynes
I know I have more than 11, but I couldn't decide.
I don't know how I typed Mark Tucker...I was even looking up
he led the NFL in rushing his rookie year in 1936 (830 yards in 12 games).
There are no stats for linemen, but Roosevelt Brown and Mel Hein were both immediate starters their rookie seasons and had long careers.
The same is almost true for Sam Huff and MLB. He didn't start until the 3rd or 4th game in 1956, but once he got into the lineup he made an immediate impact and was a fixture of a revolutionary defense.
Larry - does Arnie Weinmeister's 1950 season count as a rookie year? I know he played in AAFC for a couple of years but his first (i.e., "rookie") year in the NFL with the Giants he was an all-NFL defensive tackle (and was all-NFL the next three years in a row).
Larry - does Arnie Weinmeister's 1950 season count as a rookie year? I know he played in AAFC for a couple of years but his first (i.e., "rookie") year in the NFL with the Giants he was an all-NFL defensive tackle (and was all-NFL the next three years in a row).
No. If it did, then the entire Cleveland Browns 1950 team with Otto Graham, Marion Motley, Bill Willis, Dante Lavelli, etc all would've qualified as rookies.
The AAFC was very much a quality league and on par with the NFL. The Giant Umbrella Defense mostly came from there: Tom Landry, Otto Schnellbacher and Harmon Rowe all came from the AAFC NY Yankees. YA Tittle had his start there with the orignal Baltimore Colts before going on to San Francisco.
but the Pro Football HOF does. If you look at the career stats of Otto Graham on the Pro Football HOF website, his AAFC years are counted. Won-Loss records are also counted there.
Its always bothered me that the NFL ignores the AAFC, but integrated all the history of the AFL.
that Landry was from the AAFC..I don't believe I ever looked that up or read that he was until now..I simply assumed he, like Gifford, came to us in the early '50s via the normal channels..Live and learn
Tom Landry almost got into a fist fight with Paul Brown
at Yankee Stadium in 1949 when he hit Otto Graham on the sidelines. Brown was livid because he thought it was a late hit and there was no flag, and acutally went after Landry who did not back down from the altercation. They had to be separated by Cleveland players who were afraid Landry would kill him.
For all the composure and alleged lack of emotion Landry was publicly renowned for as a coach, he was a very intense and emotional player.
RE: I don't know how I typed Mark Tucker...I was even looking up
Had one of the best rookie years ever - I remember he scored a td in his first game on Monday Night Opener against the Redskins. Had several tds and returned a punt for td. Played a huge roll in 1989. Was huge in 1990 Super Bowl team as well (returned a punt in the opener against the Eagles).
Definitely an underrated Giant on the 1989 and 1990 teams.
DL: John Mendenhall, Troy Archer, Bill Neill, Gary Jeter
LB: LT, LT, LT, LT, BVP, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Sam Huff
DB: Aaron Ross, Mark Collins, Myron Guyton, Terry Kinard, Perry Williams
OL: David Diehl, Karl Nelson, Brian Williams, and if not for the 1987 strike, Doug Riesenberg prob would have started as a rookie before the season was out.
He was a bomber pilot in WWII before the P51 Mustang entered the fray and the bombers had to fly through flack and Messerschmitt 109's . The fatality rate was over 50% per flight, the highest of any group in the war except the German submariners after we broke their code and knew where they were going to be operating.
The NFL must have been child's play to the man.
Myron Guyton at FS
Shockey at TE
If you count the USFL guys, Bart Oates at C
There are no stats for linemen, but Roosevelt Brown and Mel Hein were both immediate starters their rookie seasons and had long careers.
The same is almost true for Sam Huff and MLB. He didn't start until the 3rd or 4th game in 1956, but once he got into the lineup he made an immediate impact and was a fixture of a revolutionary defense.
Great minds think alike!
He was a rare talent, and the Giants first African-American player.
(sad face)
NT : LT
RDE: LT
LOLB LT
MLB LT
ROLB LT
CB LT
FS LT
SS LT
CB LT
People seem to forget that that dude was everywhere
Had he not wrecked his career, there would most likely never have been a Jim Burt
Neill's kind of a forgotten man now, but he was a important part of that '81 defense.
Bavaro or Mark Tucker at TE? Very similar stats.
Neill's kind of a forgotten man now, but he was a important part of that '81 defense.
A terrific player and better than Burt (whom I loved) imho..I think we stole him from the Steelers, iirc..
Other names from the Dark Ages?
How about Mendenhall, Van Pelt, Jim Files, Frederickson?
Bavaro or Mark Tucker at TE? Very similar stats.
Carl banks did not become a regular starter until midway through 1985. The first year and a half Byron hunt started most games and Banks rotated in-and-out.
Linemen: Strahan,Archer, Rosey Grier, JPP
Defensive Back: Landon Collins,Emlen Tunnel, Dick Lynch, Mark Haynes
I know I have more than 11, but I couldn't decide.
As for Mark Haynes, I think he really came into his own in his 2nd year, when they allowed him to play press coverage.
There are no stats for linemen, but Roosevelt Brown and Mel Hein were both immediate starters their rookie seasons and had long careers.
The same is almost true for Sam Huff and MLB. He didn't start until the 3rd or 4th game in 1956, but once he got into the lineup he made an immediate impact and was a fixture of a revolutionary defense.
Larry - does Arnie Weinmeister's 1950 season count as a rookie year? I know he played in AAFC for a couple of years but his first (i.e., "rookie") year in the NFL with the Giants he was an all-NFL defensive tackle (and was all-NFL the next three years in a row).
Larry - does Arnie Weinmeister's 1950 season count as a rookie year? I know he played in AAFC for a couple of years but his first (i.e., "rookie") year in the NFL with the Giants he was an all-NFL defensive tackle (and was all-NFL the next three years in a row).
No. If it did, then the entire Cleveland Browns 1950 team with Otto Graham, Marion Motley, Bill Willis, Dante Lavelli, etc all would've qualified as rookies.
The AAFC was very much a quality league and on par with the NFL. The Giant Umbrella Defense mostly came from there: Tom Landry, Otto Schnellbacher and Harmon Rowe all came from the AAFC NY Yankees. YA Tittle had his start there with the orignal Baltimore Colts before going on to San Francisco.
Its always bothered me that the NFL ignores the AAFC, but integrated all the history of the AFL.
For all the composure and alleged lack of emotion Landry was publicly renowned for as a coach, he was a very intense and emotional player.
As for Mark Haynes, I think he really came into his own in his 2nd year, when they allowed him to play press coverage.
Speaking of dementia, I mixed up my "Marks". I meant to say Mark Collins who started 9 games in '86.
You're right about Haynes.
2 super bowls
1 pro bowl.
Was a 5th round pick
Definitely an underrated Giant on the 1989 and 1990 teams.
LB: LT, LT, LT, LT, BVP, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Sam Huff
DB: Aaron Ross, Mark Collins, Myron Guyton, Terry Kinard, Perry Williams
OL: David Diehl, Karl Nelson, Brian Williams, and if not for the 1987 strike, Doug Riesenberg prob would have started as a rookie before the season was out.
RB: Rodney Hampton
TE: Bavaro
WR: Beckham
QB: tough one. Would have to go with Simms.
ST: Meggett, the Sheikh
Done.
The NFL must have been child's play to the man.