1.The giants should have looked for another kicker in the off season to avoid distractions and the problem of using cap space for multiple kickers.
2.I do not approve of Josh Brown as a person but I am concerned about the public release and the use of papers he was asked by his psychiatrist or marriage counselor to create as part of his therapy and improvement.
3.It is not clear to me that employers should take on the role of the criminal justice system.It does not seem right that a person who is not in jail should not be allowed to work.
4.In this type of case it would seem better to let him work and send a portion of his salary to a trust fund for the abused wife and the children
I was just thinking the same thing...silly post
One of my favorite escapes from the reality of life is the Giants. What I care about is are they going win, because when they do my distraction is more fun.
I m sorry for Josh B and his family, abhor domestic violence. But where the Giants are concerned all I want to care about is whether Robbie Gould makes them better.
Unfortunately today these type of stories take precedent over the reporting of any news.
I don t abuse my wife of 44 years. No one in my family does either. I know it s an issue in society, I will help when I can, but I m sick of going to my sports distraction and it being there
Domestic abuse is an epidemic in this country and aggressive steps need to be taken to stop it. Unfortunately, the same violence needed to play football erupts off the field as well.
I'm sorry if it interferes with anyone's watching football as a distraction or diversion but domestic abuse is real and it creates serious problems, often life-long, for those who have been abused.
Domestic abuse is an epidemic in this country and aggressive steps need to be taken to stop it. Unfortunately, the same violence needed to play football erupts off the field as well.
I'm sorry if it interferes with anyone's watching football as a distraction or diversion but domestic abuse is real and it creates serious problems, often life-long, for those who have been abused.
No, domestic abuse doesn't = beating up women. That certainly is a type of abuse but certainly not the only way. That isn't to excuse Brown or wife beaters, or even the potential of Brown beating his wife, but there's many forms of abuse.
As for the situation itself with the Giants, yeah I wish it was handled differently, but won't pretend to act like it was some slam dunk easy decision. No idea what info is true/false and I have to just hope they will be more cautious moving forward.
I take it at face value when it's reported that they wanted to try to help the guy, and that they had been sold a bill of good that was much different than he had portrayed, himself, in the recently released documents. Those seemed to provide most damning evidence - a confession by him.
There are always degrees or shades when it comes to this sort of thing. Like with parenting, you have to try to find balance between support, correction and punishment.
Given the way things played out, I'm satisfied with the organization's handling of the situation.
Time to move on from Josh Brown.
Isn't one of the maxim's in life to do the right thing? Well, we've already seen numerous cases where social media mobs grab onto a subject and demand action, and it appears even when action is taken it isn't good enough.
I know I go on these rants, but the hypocrisy of outrage is getting worse and worse. It's fine to be outraged at the allegations of what Brown did, but to then call it a disgrace that the team resigned him, but then finally did the right thing just sounds like preening for the board.
We had a local politician who ended up getting a store worker fired by going on social media and posting a picture of the cashier on the phone while she was checking out. Made a huge deal of it and how her bringing attention to it carried out "justice". Well, two months ago this woman's daughter was fired from her own job with reason and the woman went on a huge rant about how unfair it was for hard working folks to be "randomly" sacked.
The point is that many people who only get one side of a story or a partial story have no issue acting as if there isn't speedy retribution, that the whole thing is fucked up. I've yet to be given a reasonable response on why speed matters in these situations. Why does firing a guy yesterday beat firing him today, especially if there is due diligence going on? i bet many of the same people outraged at Josh Brown would also be outraged at a wrongful conviction that happens because of immense pressure placed on a prosecutor to rush to judgment.
Isn't one of the maxim's in life to do the right thing? Well, we've already seen numerous cases where social media mobs grab onto a subject and demand action, and it appears even when action is taken it isn't good enough.
I know I go on these rants, but the hypocrisy of outrage is getting worse and worse. It's fine to be outraged at the allegations of what Brown did, but to then call it a disgrace that the team resigned him, but then finally did the right thing just sounds like preening for the board.
We had a local politician who ended up getting a store worker fired by going on social media and posting a picture of the cashier on the phone while she was checking out. Made a huge deal of it and how her bringing attention to it carried out "justice". Well, two months ago this woman's daughter was fired from her own job with reason and the woman went on a huge rant about how unfair it was for hard working folks to be "randomly" sacked.
The point is that many people who only get one side of a story or a partial story have no issue acting as if there isn't speedy retribution, that the whole thing is fucked up. I've yet to be given a reasonable response on why speed matters in these situations. Why does firing a guy yesterday beat firing him today, especially if there is due diligence going on? i bet many of the same people outraged at Josh Brown would also be outraged at a wrongful conviction that happens because of immense pressure placed on a prosecutor to rush to judgment.
To this day, I loathe that jackass Bloomberg for rushing to justice on Plax's guilt before any due process was even started...We know it was stupid and against the law, but is your place as Mayor to attach guilt before the ink was dry on the charges?
I think it's outrageous the Giants did resign him IF they knew everything. If they were told about Brown incident at the probowl but they were misled about the extent of these issues (which I think is much closer to the truth) then I see a team that took corrective action once they had more information. And fairly assertively.
Where is the outrage about the fact Hardy played all year last year? Or around AP who has engaged in negligent abusive parenting and is still lauded like a star?
Domestic abuse is an epidemic in this country and aggressive steps need to be taken to stop it. Unfortunately, the same violence needed to play football erupts off the field as well.
I'm sorry if it interferes with anyone's watching football as a distraction or diversion but domestic abuse is real and it creates serious problems, often life-long, for those who have been abused.
The easy thing to do is to take reflexive, non-contemplative action, but that is not always the fairest and wisest way to go.
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I was just thinking the same thing...silly post
Not necessarily.
In the context of a football team, yes. It's a public profession unlike most, especially now versus 20+ years ago.
For a regular job where such distractions are not going to come up, then it's different.
If Josh Brown's kicking was never an issue all this time, then it's like any normal job where coworkers wouldn't have any idea.
You can debate this on moral points, sure. But the OP's points can be valid as he worded them.
If you are blaming his wife, you suck at life.
If you are accusing other fans of faux outrage, you are wrong.
If you think it is a delinquent media that caused this, you are wrong.
If you think the Giants could not have handled this much better, you are wrong.
If you know some guy whose wife trumped up charges against him, it is irrelevant to this conversation.
If you did not take the time to read the reporting and educate yourself, you lose the right to comment.
Whatever.
Based on the fact that the Giants knew Brown's behavior at the Pro Bowl, retaining him was stupid on many levels. The potential distraction to the team, a possible suspension, or worse. There's no way to spin it for them and have them come out looking good, it was a dumb decision. Even from the standpoint of 'standing by their players' - this is a guy who had problems and kept repeating his behavior. If you cut Will Hill because of his inability to curb repeat offenses, you cut Josh Brown for the same reason.
The easy thing to do is to take reflexive, non-contemplative action, but that is not always the fairest and wisest way to go.
Umm, you have seen the game threads, yes?
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But what I find troubling is the selective outrage. Brown must go. Id wholeheartedly agree with that. But why is AP, who has beaten his children, and is a downright negligent parent in many other instances, being held up as some star of the league?
Go read the comments from Eli Apple's Mom about the emotional pain felt by abusees for years if not longer. Or go ask women like your wives, girlfriends, mothers, or sisters if a one game suspension was enough for some guy who hit a woman who was undoubtedly smaller than he.
Derrick Rose denied the rape charge and was entitled to the presumption of innocence before the trial. Brown had admitted he was an abuser. Big difference. And if Rose had been convicted, I would have argued for a lifetime ban.
An excellent, but extremely heavy, book about sexual and physical abuse by athletes is "MIssoula" by Jon Krakauer
The NFL is concerned about its image. They don't really give a hoot about the victim. It's their image that is at stake. That's why there is a personal conduct clause. Players know that they can be terminated for giving the league a black eye. If they violate that, then they suffer the consequences. So, Josh, have a nice career at the local grocery store.
Posters online are like cyber politicians.
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Domestic abuse is a nice term for beating up women and, in some instances, children. There's no level that should be tolerated. Brown should have been cut immediately after he admitted it had happened once. Adrian Peterson also should have been thrown out of the league for beating his small son.
Domestic abuse is an epidemic in this country and aggressive steps need to be taken to stop it. Unfortunately, the same violence needed to play football erupts off the field as well.
I'm sorry if it interferes with anyone's watching football as a distraction or diversion but domestic abuse is real and it creates serious problems, often life-long, for those who have been abused.
Maybe. But should they also have cut Jay Bromley right away? Should the Knicks have released Derrick Rose right away?
The easy thing to do is to take reflexive, non-contemplative action, but that is not always the fairest and wisest way to go.
That's not even an apples to apples comparison. Brown has a laundry list of incidents, and Mara made it sound like they knew what was going on with him. Bromley's not a repeat offender, and put himself in a bad position. That incident was refuted immediately with tangible evidence that flew against the accuser's story. As shitty as it sounds, not worth the PR backlash over a kicker. They could have released him, and picked him up once enough evidence came in to get Brown off the hook.
With both husband and wife in court under oath and examined by competent attorneys, the story would have come out and we wouldn't be guessing what Brown did.
Sometimes the wife doesn't want to cooperate with the prosecution due to fear or anxiety, so the husband can't be tried. That's considered to be a fair reason to excuse the wife from testifying in court. But she had to answer the questions of the investigating detective and in his judgment Brown had not gotten violent and had not hurt her.
So did I miss something, like Brown, or something he wrote, admitted that he had hit her? Or the wife said that he had been violent and beat her?
My main problem is just that, as most of us have been around a while know, that being tried in the court of public opinion instead of a court of law has caused great injustices.
With both husband and wife in court under oath and examined by competent attorneys, the story would have come out and we wouldn't be guessing what Brown did.
Sometimes the wife doesn't want to cooperate with the prosecution due to fear or anxiety, so the husband can't be tried. That's considered to be a fair reason to excuse the wife from testifying in court. But she had to answer the questions of the investigating detective and in his judgment Brown had not gotten violent and had not hurt her.
So did I miss something, like Brown, or something he wrote, admitted that he had hit her? Or the wife said that he had been violent and beat her?
My main problem is just that, as most of us have been around a while know, that being tried in the court of public opinion instead of a court of law has caused great injustices.
Yes, you missed things.
One of my favorite escapes from the reality of life is the Giants. What I care about is are they going win, because when they do my distraction is more fun.
I m sorry for Josh B and his family, abhor domestic violence. But where the Giants are concerned all I want to care about is whether Robbie Gould makes them better.
Unfortunately today these type of stories take precedent over the reporting of any news.
I don t abuse my wife of 44 years. No one in my family does either. I know it s an issue in society, I will help when I can, but I m sick of going to my sports distraction and it being there
Very well said.