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wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 8:40 am
I am in a three way tie for best record in my league at 5-2. I have a 78 point advantage so I am in first place. The other two teams are husband and wife with the husband being the commish and my cousin. They just tried to make a trade of Allen Hurns and Devonte Freeman for Antonio Brown and Duke Johnson. Someone vetoed the trade, not sure who that is. Is this a fair trade in your opinion and is it fair for husband and wife to make trades? The league for the most part is all cousins and in laws.
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I don't think its a fair trade  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 8:44 am : link
but its no so bad that its vetoable.
if the league was worried about  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 8:45 am : link
the husband and wife colluding they shouldn't have allowed them in the league, IMO. You can't exclude them from trading with each other.
I'm with UConn  
VenteSette : 10/27/2016 8:48 am : link
You let them in the league with 2 teams, you can't prevent them from acting that way now. Especially when everybody is family. Bad trade, but not INSANELY bad trade, IMO
Uconn you are right but the commish made that decision and its his  
wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 8:48 am : link
wife.
That's not fair IMO  
superspynyg : 10/27/2016 8:49 am : link
Hurns and Freeman for Brown is fair.
I've seen worse trades  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 8:49 am : link
but if I have a relationship with anyone in the league (my brother was in my league last year) I usually overcompensate to remove the appearance of collusion if I even trade with him/that person.

We have a husband and wife in my league, 3rd year now, and they've never traded.

but I wouldn't veto almost any trade unless I knew there was obvious collusion.
I just don't want to over react to this.  
wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 8:50 am : link
Family is more important. If you guys think it is not unfair or insane, I will drop it.
I don't think the trade is that bad honestly.  
GiantGolfer : 10/27/2016 8:52 am : link
With Coleman out, Freeman instantly becomes a legit top quality #1 RB. Hurns and Johnson have both underperformed this year.
Am I missing something  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 8:53 am : link

Not sure how anyone can evaluate a trade with at least minimal info.

Number of teams, scoring PPR?, roster sizes.

Is it assumed it's a 10 team standard league?
I'd tell them I think it's a one-sided  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 8:54 am : link
trade, but I wouldn't veto it.

We had a guy in my league trade David Johnson and Tavon Austin for Latavius Murray and Stefon Diggs.

I thought that was a worse trade than the one in your league.
I don't see anything wrong with that trade  
YAJ2112 : 10/27/2016 8:56 am : link
Certainly no reason to veto it.
Lady Luck  
VenteSette : 10/27/2016 8:57 am : link
How scared should I be?

I am 7-0 and up 3 games on the next team. I have the most points and have had the most overall 4 or 5 weeks. The thing that scares me most is that my "points against" is like 30 points less than the next closest team and around 100 less than the 2nd lowest. That can't keep up. I think I am going to steamroll into the playoffs and my luck will run out. It's just a fun league, but we spend a bunch of time taunting and I do like to taunt.

What should I be doing to prepare for the playoffs? I am starting to look matchups, but not making any changes yet. I have a pretty big cushion and I have only had one of the weaker teams on my schedule.
Its a 12 team league  
wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 8:58 am : link
I am new to fantasy and not sure what PPR is. I lead the league with 153 points per week if that helps.
Points per Reception  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 8:59 am : link

Do you get a point or half point for catches?
RE: Its a 12 team league  
GiantGolfer : 10/27/2016 8:59 am : link
In comment 13192739 wgenesis123 said:
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I am new to fantasy and not sure what PPR is. I lead the league with 153 points per week if that helps.


PPR = Points per Reception

Do your players accumulate points for every catch?
RE: Lady Luck  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 9:00 am : link
In comment 13192737 VenteSette said:
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How scared should I be?

I am 7-0 and up 3 games on the next team. I have the most points and have had the most overall 4 or 5 weeks. The thing that scares me most is that my "points against" is like 30 points less than the next closest team and around 100 less than the 2nd lowest. That can't keep up. I think I am going to steamroll into the playoffs and my luck will run out. It's just a fun league, but we spend a bunch of time taunting and I do like to taunt.

What should I be doing to prepare for the playoffs? I am starting to look matchups, but not making any changes yet. I have a pretty big cushion and I have only had one of the weaker teams on my schedule.


Start doing 2 a days and prep for the cold weather!
on a serious note  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 9:04 am : link
there's nothing you can really do but try to have the best roster. In my league the #1 seed historically loses, often times in the first round, so what you think may be the best decisions to prep for playoff time can be injuries, rest for real life playoffs, cold streaks, etc. There's no way to prep other than compile the best possible players.

And one thing this season has taught me is matchups are a crapshoot. Some really bad defenses in what should have been shootouts just haven't happened. The product and quality is among the worst i've ever seen it.
RE: on a serious note  
VenteSette : 10/27/2016 9:07 am : link
In comment 13192752 UConn4523 said:
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there's nothing you can really do but try to have the best roster. In my league the #1 seed historically loses, often times in the first round, so what you think may be the best decisions to prep for playoff time can be injuries, rest for real life playoffs, cold streaks, etc. There's no way to prep other than compile the best possible players.

And one thing this season has taught me is matchups are a crapshoot. Some really bad defenses in what should have been shootouts just haven't happened. The product and quality is among the worst i've ever seen it.


No wonder I have been so good at it! Funny thing is that I have been held Moncrief, Josh Gordon and Doug Martin for most of the year.
a lot of its luck  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 9:12 am : link
as much as we all don't wan to admit that. I definitely think skill is involved, and that some people I play with just do moronic things, but as a whole you need a ton of luck to win. That starts with your schedule which you have zero control over.

I'm having a solid year. 2nd place at 5-2 but i'll lose this week for sure, just too many BYE's to overcome. I've made some really great moves this year (drafting Graham last round, picking up Booker a couple weeks back, and picking some good streaming options at RB) but i've also done some things I wish I can take back (thought Tevin Coleman was drafted but it was really Corey Coleman and I missed him late, wasted waiver priority on guys I cut the same week, not going with my gut and taking Julio Jones over Beckham for fear of Matt Ryan sucking all over again).
Yes, I get points for a catch plus the yards.  
wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 9:13 am : link
Thank you, now I know what PPR is!
Luck is certainly more helpfull at times than skill.  
wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 9:19 am : link
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Well, to finish the thought  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 9:21 am : link

Non PPR:

Duke Johnson is worthless, Allen Hurns isn't much better Marquis Lee is the best WR in that offense at this point.
. Freeman will have a tough go running the ball against GB this week but gets Tampa next week, then Philly. If Coleman is out more than this week Freeman will be a great play next week
Brown was getting the love from Landry last week, rumor is Ben will practice next week and be back in week 9. Both Freeman and Brown have byes coming up.

The trade favors whomever gets A Brown, he is the best player in fantasy and carries the most TD potential as well as yards gained. I'd have to be loaded at WR and desperate at RB to make this trade but IMO it shouldn't be vetoed.
RE: Yes, I get points for a catch plus the yards.  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 9:22 am : link
In comment 13192769 wgenesis123 said:
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Thank you, now I know what PPR is!


Lol, of course you do ( after I just finished typing)

Give me a minute here...
How how on Lee are you guys?  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 9:26 am : link
I haven't watched much of Jacksonville at all but is he only playing in 3 WR sets?
My cousin who would have got Brown also has Big Ben on his bench,  
wgenesis123 : 10/27/2016 9:26 am : link
this would be a big plus in the playoffs in my opinion. His wife would no longer have a true number one reciever while he has Brown and Evans.
RE: How how on Lee are you guys?  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 9:33 am : link
In comment 13192790 UConn4523 said:
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I haven't watched much of Jacksonville at all but is he only playing in 3 WR sets?


No, Lee has been lining up outside with Hurns in the slot often. It's varied. Jax is a mess on offense. Lee has become the most reliable WR with Robinson's drops and Hurn's inability to get open. At this point, I would play Lee over both Robinson and Hurns in PPR leagues.
It's probably 50% luck  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 9:37 am : link
if you're in a H2H league. I'd say 30% draft and 10% weekly roster management sit/start and 10% waiver wire.

In one league I have the most points for by over 50 and the 3rd most points against, and I'm 4 - 3.

I've had it work the other way too where I have mediocre points for but very low points against and I'm in first place.

Back in 2012 I had the greatest team in fantasy football. Peyton was just coming back from the neck injury and I got him really late and it's a keeper league so I got some good late round keepers and I just drafted really well. I know fantasy football stories from other people are about as interesting as people telling you about their painful poker beats, but my team was (PPR, 6pt per passing TD and we had bonuses for 100 yds rush/rec and 300 yards passing, as well as for things like 40 yd TD's, 80 yd TD's and 10 receptions, 30 completions, 25 carries, etc.):

QB: Peyton/Cam Newton
RB: Adrian Peterson, Doug Martin, Willis McGahee, Alfred Morris (picked him up opening day at 12:50 when he was named the starter)

WR: Jimmy Graham (no TE), Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall, Victor Cruz, Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, Percy Harvin

D/ST Pitt

K: Tucker

It's probably hard for people to remember 2012, but that is a monster team. I lost week 1 by 1 point and then won 12 straight I won almost every week by 100 points.

Week 1 of the playoffs the team I played had one of those Eli/Beckham weeks (I forget who the players were, maybe Rodgers and someone) like we just had against the Ravens and had other guys go off and I just got outscored in the first week of the playoffs. I was crushed.

I am sure other people have similar stories, but just to show you nothing I could have done, luck is luck.
Considering a trade in my 12 team  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 10/27/2016 9:39 am : link
standard scoring, 3 point bonus for 100 rushing/receiving:

I trade: Ezekiel Elliot-Demariyus Thomas
I get: Julio Jones-Melvin Gordon

No flex and can only start 2 backs/3 WR. I already have Ingram, Spencer Ware, and now Booker who looks to be in line to get a ton of work with CJ out.

WR for me is pretty week with Jordy and Demariyus making up my 1-2.

Am I crazy for trading Zeke?
Another trade  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 10/27/2016 9:40 am : link
with another owner would just be Ingram for Allen Robinson straight up. Is that a better deal than above? Bortles play is really killing Robinson.
So BBI is off the  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 9:41 am : link
"no way Allen Robinson is struggling, he's a great buy low candidate"

bandwagon?
PPR  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 9:43 am : link

Johnson gets a small bump up in PPR but no one knows who's going to play QB. Could be McGown, Kessler or Logan. Cleveland has no symmetry, they are adlib and tough to predict. outside of Pryor and Crowell I wouldn't trust anyone on that offense.

Hurns is getting 4 catches per game, he's only got 1 TD, as mentioned Jax is a mess, if you want to guess Hurns improves it would be pure speculation.

Freeman is a good RB to have, especially in PPR but how long is Coleman going to be out? Could be 1 week, could be 4. You have to remember last year when Atlanta started out fast and then lost 6 or 7 games because defenses figured out Kyle Shanahan's zone blocking schemes. I'd put a ceiling on Freeman even without Coleman splitting touches.

Brown is the man. A monster in PPR. The best player to have in fantasy. Last year when Ben got hurt, Brown was ignored, not last week. I wouldn't give him up for anyone.

I don't believe in vetoes but I wouldn't give up Brown for Freeman.
What happened to the Roto Wizard  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/27/2016 9:43 am : link
guy who used to come on here and give advice?
RE: So BBI is off the  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 9:51 am : link
In comment 13192811 pjcas18 said:
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"no way Allen Robinson is struggling, he's a great buy low candidate"

bandwagon?


I took over a team in a 12 team, PPR, 5 player keeper league. I had Robinson as a 6th rd keeper. I tried to trade him for Matt Jones straight up ( Jones being a 10th rd keeper in a start 3 RB, no flex league) and was turned down flat. I'm stuck with him on my bench. I'll start Cole Beasley over him going forward. If I can get one good game out of him I could move him, maybe but he sucks and it ain't just Bortles, he's got to lead the league in drops, he looks like Rueben Randle out there.
I watched a couple Jags  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 9:57 am : link
games, seems like Bortles is forcing the ball to him.

According to unofficial stats A-rob has 2 drops. Beckham has 4 (for reference)

Brandon Marshall leads the league with 6.

It's not an official stat though.

Maybe I'm lost on who you are giving up...  
VenteSette : 10/27/2016 9:57 am : link
I like Jones/Gordon, better than Robinson for Ingram. I like Gordon better than Ingram.
Dump Jordan Howard  
VenteSette : 10/27/2016 10:01 am : link
pick up Hunter Henry. Worthwhile? I know Henry is in concussion protocol, but it looks like he will play. I have Gronk and need a TE for the week 9 bye.

I am kind of off Howard. I think his run is over and he will be a spotty play going forward. Can't see ever starting him again with Gordon/Ingram/Stewart/Mathews/Booker/Doug Martin.

I just offered Howard to a friend for scraps. I owe the guy one. He traded me Ingram for Floyd. He had cut Ingram and I asked if he was nuts. He beat me on the waiver claim and got Ingram back and flipped him to me.
Howard missed his opportunity  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 10:04 am : link
Carey is their best RB right now and I believe Langford will get the goal line carries. At best its a week to week crapshoot, at worst Howard is back to 3rd string touches. I wouldn't waste a roster spot with him. Guys like Kelley are better 3rd RB options.
RE: I watched a couple Jags  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 10:12 am : link
In comment 13192829 pjcas18 said:
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games, seems like Bortles is forcing the ball to him.

According to unofficial stats A-rob has 2 drops. Beckham has 4 (for reference)

Brandon Marshall leads the league with 6.

It's not an official stat though.

No question Bortles wants to throw to him, he gets high volume targets.

I don't know what constitutes a drop in stats but he was targeted 15 times against GB and dropped at least 4 of them. He dropped a TD against Indianapolis. He dropped a 20 yard gain against Oakland last week. It may be that if a defender is in close proximity it doesn't count as a drop but they were all catchable balls.

I don't trust him but if you want to buy low based on volume alone with the potential he remembers he's a top WR soon, I wouldn't fault you. I'm hoping someone makes me an offer for him.

Then again, sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make.

I'm benching Robinson tonight for Beasley and starting Marquis Lee tonight in OBJ's spot. I may regret it but I've lost all patience with him. If I'm going to guess on anyone tonight against Tenn., it'll be Chris Ivory scoring a couple TDs.
RE: What happened to the Roto Wizard  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 10:12 am : link
In comment 13192816 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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guy who used to come on here and give advice?


Not sure but i think our daily threads provide just as much, if not more insight on a daily basis. He's been right/wrong just as much as any of us.
These threads are very helpful  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 10:31 am : link

Some of the stuff is mundane, but as you know UConn, it's all about the research, then you make your own decisions.

The more info you have, the better decisions you make.

The regulars on these threads cover just about everything needed for the week.

I prefer IDP leagues and spend most of my time looking for defensive match ups, like TJ Ward playing 70% of his snaps in the box and who's Ryan Shazier's backup when the knee acts up, so I come here to see who you guys like or don't like weekly.

The Guru's got nothing on you guys...
Every single RB I own  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/27/2016 10:40 am : link
has a red cross next to it.
RE: Every single RB I own  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 13192904 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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has a red cross next to it.


Haha, I have 6 guys questionable in my starting lineup. So many teams on BYE this week, its an FU to fantasy players.
Last week I started Gillislee  
pjcas18 : 10/27/2016 10:55 am : link
because it was reported McCoy could miss multiple weeks then McCoy starts, gets most of the snaps then gets hurt in the 3rd quarter.

Gillislee got me very few points.

Now I dropped Gillislee b/c I figure McCoy wasn't as hurt as last week he'll play, now I hear McCoy might miss multiple weeks.

WTF.

I'm not planning to start McCoy this week, but still sucks having game time decisions, if that's what he becomes.
RE: Last week I started Gillislee  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/27/2016 11:00 am : link
In comment 13192920 pjcas18 said:
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because it was reported McCoy could miss multiple weeks then McCoy starts, gets most of the snaps then gets hurt in the 3rd quarter.

Gillislee got me very few points.

Now I dropped Gillislee b/c I figure McCoy wasn't as hurt as last week he'll play, now I hear McCoy might miss multiple weeks.

WTF.

I'm not planning to start McCoy this week, but still sucks having game time decisions, if that's what he becomes.


Same boat - I own McCoy AND Theo Riddick.
If McCoy can't go...  
arcarsenal : 10/27/2016 11:03 am : link
I have to decide between Mathews or Kelley (if Jones sits).. ugh.

At least Forte has a juicy matchup and Powell has turf toe so it looks like he's in store for another big week.

I got offered Terrance West and Gillislee for Marvin Jones but I didn't really like that deal. Jones is a top 10 WR right now.. Gillislee only has value for as long as McCoy is out and I don't know how much I really trust West long-term.
Ty Montgomery - Is he listed as RB eligible in your league?  
NYG27 : 10/27/2016 11:08 am : link
I know that ESPN and Fanduel has made him RB/WR eligible in their leagues. Curious if any other leagues have done so yet?

CBS Sports released a statement that they would leave that decision to their individual leagues to decide and gave Commish's instructions on how to move Ty to RB in lineups.
Yahoo posted a note about TyMont yesterday...  
arcarsenal : 10/27/2016 11:09 am : link
They're saying basically until the Packers officially list Montgomery as a RB, they are not going to.
RE: Last week I started Gillislee  
Cruzin : 10/27/2016 11:11 am : link
In comment 13192920 pjcas18 said:
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because it was reported McCoy could miss multiple weeks then McCoy starts, gets most of the snaps then gets hurt in the 3rd quarter.

Gillislee got me very few points.

Now I dropped Gillislee b/c I figure McCoy wasn't as hurt as last week he'll play, now I hear McCoy might miss multiple weeks.

WTF.

I'm not planning to start McCoy this week, but still sucks having game time decisions, if that's what he becomes.


Gillislee is questionable as well with a bad foot.

Reggie Bush resurrection anyone?
ESPN made him RB/WR eligible  
Mr Brightside : 10/27/2016 11:13 am : link
I really don't agree he should be, though. LeVeon Bell & Martellus Bennett line up at WR a lot of the time, too, so should they get multiple eligibility? I think wherever the team lists him should be his position. That's my opinion anyway.
Nope  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 11:13 am : link
he's a WR in Yahoo and I think it's he right call. ESPN is giving a knee jerk reaction to an interim solution and will just have to revert back to WR in a week, which is his position. Where do you draw he line? It opens up pandora a box, IMO.
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