Giants FS Darian Thompson (foot) is expected back following the team's Week 8 bye.
Thompson has been sidelined since injuring his foot against the Saints Week 2. The Giants' secondary has been banged up all season, but S Nat Berhe (concussion) should also return after the bye while CBs Eli Apple and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie are getting close to full health.
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This is the point here. Its still very early, but from his play in camp and the first 2 games, there is a chance we could have 2 fantastic safeties who will only get better together over the next couple of seasons. Obviously alot can changed that, including injuries. But right now there is alot to be excited about with Thompson and Collins.
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye
When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?
Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?
I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players.
Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way.
How about you review my statement. When did I say "FO fails if a 3rd rd pick succeeds?" I said "FO failed" if the "key" to our defense is a third round pick. Dak has played in 6 games and has looked awesome, what the hell has Thompson done this season????
First off if a 3rd round pick is the key to a defense I venture to guess he succeeded.
Anyway, I don't believe DT is the key. Nor did I say that, nor did I defend the statement. I did say "And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?". Meaning I think he overstated his case.
I took your post as what could be seen as a shot to the FO.
Or you can continue to be miserable about every facet of this team, is sports even fun for you?
Ed Reed isn't available and Thomoson is better than Berhe and Adams. What option do you think is better right now?
I was going to say that I can't believe my post caused such a crazy response, but after 9 years on the site I know it's par for the course. I wrote my post as if I was saying the actual words. Clearly the context didn't translate. I clarified my statement a few minutes ago. Probably not a good enough clarification for some, but I stand my statement.
Getting the player the staff deemed the best back is unequivocally a good thing.
The Giants defense has improved dramatically over last year, to the point where I'd argue they are a good defense.
There are some weaknesses in specific areas of the field in pass defense - getting a rangier, faster free safety on the field should improve third down pass coverage on the side of the field he lines up on.
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You mad bro. What tirade? Lol just don't over sell me on how great Thompson is, the jury is indeed still out, just don't pretend like everything is going to fall in place when he gets back.
Ed Reed isn't available and Thomoson is better than Berhe and Adams. What option do you think is better right now?
Thompson is the best option. I was/am merely attempting to slow down the hype train, Thompson coming back doesn't turn our D into a different animal. I am glad he is coming back, hopefully he can stay on the field so we can see what we have
THANK YOU!!! And the truth shall set you free~!!!!!!!!!
Sweet high horse. There's no hype machine, we are getting back our starting Free Safety who's a better player than anyone else on our roster or the scrap heap at his position. How much better is yet to be seen, but I'm pretty confident that he will be an impact for us barring any set backs with his foot.
If you disagree that's perfectly fine. But typing that opinion over and over and over again like 1986 did is not only counter productive, but really fucking annoying.
So damn odd, such as waste of time.
finally we have a team that will stay on the field
when we do have injuries , like all teams , they are not season ending
Kudos to the Strength and Conditioning staff
Lol, I do like DT for the record. I think the first post said something like "This kid is the key to the defense" or something like that and I said "when a third round rookie with only week one under his belt is the key to the defense in week 9 then the FO failed us" and everyone blew up on me, what is everyone expecting from DT? Our defense to go from night to day because of a guy who has played in what, 30 snaps?
Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.
You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.
I think he will make us better immediately.
either . He got beat by Tavon Austin but he had very good
coverage but couldn't bat the ball down .
I have no Idea how good Thompson is but he has the history
as a play maker . Hopefully he stays healthy so we can see
if he was indeed a good 3rd round pick .
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Exactly is the hype about Thompson that you don't approve or agree with?
Lol, I do like DT for the record. I think the first post said something like "This kid is the key to the defense" or something like that and I said "when a third round rookie with only week one under his belt is the key to the defense in week 9 then the FO failed us" and everyone blew up on me, what is everyone expecting from DT? Our defense to go from night to day because of a guy who has played in what, 30 snaps?
Just to clarify, not sure if you saw this response but I followed up after all of the craziness ensued with this post...
"The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way."
I agree he still has to prove himself. I wrote the first post as if I were speaking the words and context was not conveyed well, no big deal.
But lets argue about semantics on every thread...
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.
Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.
You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.
But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.
Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.
You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.
But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.
I don't see anyone being unreasonable. You were trying to tell people how they should view a player, I wasn't. You also said Thompson didn't play any snaps, he did.
There's plenty of reason to be optimistic about him and think he will be a good player for us. If you don't, that's cool too.
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.
Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.
You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.
But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.
Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.
You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.
But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.
I don't see anyone being unreasonable. You were trying to tell people how they should view a player, I wasn't. You also said Thompson didn't play any snaps, he did.
There's plenty of reason to be optimistic about him and think he will be a good player for us. If you don't, that's cool too.
One thing we all can agree on it will be good to see him finally back on the field. And if I said he didn't play "any" I know he played Week 1 and a handful of snaps vs the Saints. Not a big enough sampling to determine if he will be our FS of the future is all. I hope he can stay on the field.
I completely agree with this. Key may not be the perfect word but who cares. We've been lacking a center fielder for years including this year. Thompson is so important because he can cover Collins over the top most plays and let him run free closer to the line.
We don't know the finished product of Thompson, but we can all make an educational judgement based on experts opinions, college tape/highlights and limited NFL exposure that he can play the "Centerfield Safety" fairly to very well. So yes it would appear he is an important piece to this defense.
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye
When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?
(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)
Lol OK you got me. Forgive me, I must have blinked and missed Darian dominate those 5 quarters he's played in this season, he's the key on defense. Ever since Tom Brady did it its just more and more common.
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye
When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?
(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)
LOL so you are declaring that DT is hidden gem after 5 quarters of play? It wasn't that the FO failed us on the pick.. they failed to address the safety position for years now we are praying (me too) that our 3rd round pick saves the day.
...stay healthy?
First round is not promising.
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye
When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?
(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)
LOL so you are declaring that DT is hidden gem after 5 quarters of play? It wasn't that the FO failed us on the pick.. they failed to address the safety position for years now we are praying (me too) that our 3rd round pick saves the day.
Wow are you a disagreeable person. There's more evidence that they kid can be pretty good than there is evidence that he's not. Had a great camp-according to coaches and media. He is starting as a rookie. I don't care if the safety position on the team was weak. He is starting and that shows me something. When he was in there, he was good. But thanks captain obvious- there's too small of a sample set to make an accurate assessment. No shit. I'm so glad you're here to tell us. But so far there's every reason to be high on him. No evidence not to be. And that's the point.
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye
When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?
(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)
LOL so you are declaring that DT is hidden gem after 5 quarters of play? It wasn't that the FO failed us on the pick.. they failed to address the safety position for years now we are praying (me too) that our 3rd round pick saves the day.
Wow are you a disagreeable person. There's more evidence that they kid can be pretty good than there is evidence that he's not. Had a great camp-according to coaches and media. He is starting as a rookie. I don't care if the safety position on the team was weak. He is starting and that shows me something. When he was in there, he was good. But thanks captain obvious- there's too small of a sample set to make an accurate assessment. No shit. I'm so glad you're here to tell us. But so far there's every reason to be high on him. No evidence not to be. And that's the point.
One reason not to be high on him is he has missed more games than he's played but OK your point is fair but am I the only one okay with agreeing to disagree. All I've said is slow down the bandwagon until we see him make a play.
I still don't understand why you care that people are excited. Its so odd. If you don't like hearing excitement about the player i'm not sure why you are wasting your time on the thread.
If Thompson turns out to play like shit and be a bad pick, I'll worry about it then.
Decent play actually, not a fluke play, from a interior gap, spin move on interior did not loose track of the action
Sorry man
Oh there definitely was. Everyone was going on about how, despite his INT #s, size, etc. he was a natural SS and the kid from BC was better and it was Jerry Reach at work again, etc. Glad to see the bandwagon shifted. I hope he's 100% for Philly. Between Adams and Berhe, we'll have great depth at the position with all four healthy (plus we're freaking young as hell at S). And if he plays like we suspect he should, we have imo the most dangerous secondary in the league.