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Keith : 10/27/2016 11:21 am
Giants FS Darian Thompson (foot) is expected back following the team's Week 8 bye.

Thompson has been sidelined since injuring his foot against the Saints Week 2. The Giants' secondary has been banged up all season, but S Nat Berhe (concussion) should also return after the bye while CBs Eli Apple and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie are getting close to full health.
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This kid is the key  
bradshaw44 : 10/27/2016 11:22 am : link
I was hoping he'd be back after the bye
Agreed  
Keith : 10/27/2016 11:26 am : link
I think the lack of a good FS has really hurt us these past few weeks. He's a very strong tackler and seems to have a good knack for being in the right place.
RE: This kid is the key  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 11:29 am : link
In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said:
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye


When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
Simply cannot wait  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 11:29 am : link
to watch him and Collins go to work. Could be the best Safety tandem we've had in a long, long time.
good to hear  
Victor in CT : 10/27/2016 11:30 am : link
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RE: Simply cannot wait  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 11:31 am : link
In comment 13192994 UConn4523 said:
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to watch him and Collins go to work. Could be the best Safety tandem we've had in a long, long time.


Any safety tandem is better than the ones we've had of recent years but after one full game played together it is far too early.
RE: RE: This kid is the key  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 11:32 am : link
In comment 13192993 est1986 said:
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.


So having a good 3rd round pick is also failing?
I could be wrong, so go a little easy on me,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/27/2016 11:32 am : link
but when he was taken in the draft, weren't there a bunch of WTFs?
RE: RE: Simply cannot wait  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 11:32 am : link
In comment 13192997 est1986 said:
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to watch him and Collins go to work. Could be the best Safety tandem we've had in a long, long time.



Any safety tandem is better than the ones we've had of recent years but after one full game played together it is far too early.


I disagree.
est1986  
Keith : 10/27/2016 11:33 am : link
it was a combination of training camp and early regular season. Obviously too early to say he's that guy, but that's probably why he said "could be". Thanks for clarifying and being the voice of reason.
RE: RE: This kid is the key  
therealmf : 10/27/2016 11:39 am : link
In comment 13192993 est1986 said:
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.


Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?
Actually if Berhe were OK, it wouldn't be so bad  
jcn56 : 10/27/2016 11:48 am : link
but both have been out, and then you're left with the 3rd string. That's one of the problems the NFL has, limited roster sizes, reduction in practice times with the new CBA, FA setting in after 4 years - 3rd string ain't worth crap most of the time.
Excellent news.  
arcarsenal : 10/27/2016 11:50 am : link
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I like him and all...  
BillKo : 10/27/2016 11:53 am : link
and think he's a good prospect, but is he really the key? Was he playing that well before his injury???
Considering Leon Hall is our starting FS,  
Keith : 10/27/2016 11:54 am : link
I think it's a fair statement. I thought he was playing very well in his limited time.
Oh  
Keith : 10/27/2016 11:55 am : link
and the coaches were very high on him as well.
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est1986 : 10/27/2016 11:56 am : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



So having a good 3rd round pick is also failing?


If he's being labeled a good third round pick after missing half the year and playing only one full game then Owa must be border line All-Pro?
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est1986 : 10/27/2016 11:58 am : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?


Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?
i don't wanna hear shit  
djm : 10/27/2016 11:59 am : link
about not being able to beat fucking philly. Ugly it up all over the field just fucking win. The D can carry NYG to victory. It's a talented unit.
What exactly has Darian Thompson done?  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:02 pm : link
I agree it okay to be optimistic about him, a little, but lets not pretend he's a top safety or something the kid has played how many snaps? This is the same BBI that declared Richburg an All Pro center after one year at center now he blows. Sorry if being honest seems like a dark cloud.
est 1986  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:03 pm : link
Thompson can clearly play. He's not THE key but he's an important part of the defensive puzzle. Adams filled in admirably and the D had played well at times but getting a good player back can only help and if you were paying attention to Thompson you'd see he was a legit presence out there. You're pissing all over an innocent post.
If Berhe and Thompson are both healthy  
andrew_nyg : 10/27/2016 12:04 pm : link
I wouldn't mind seeing Berhe in a hybrid WLB role in nickle and dime packages.
wtf is so hard to understand?  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:07 pm : link
we lost 3 guys in the secondary that all showed good safety promise and Thompson showed the most. You're arguing that getting the best looking safety on the roster back from injury isn't going to help? We had a guy starting that was on the PS because 3 guys were hurt, including Thompson. The Giants were woefully thin but actually managed pretty well. OF course you still find a way to get on the front office.

If you didn't see him play that's OK but all you'd need to do is pour over the details about this kid's first few months of NFL life and you'd see he's a very promising player.

Or you could continue to rail against it for whatever strange reason.
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therealmf : 10/27/2016 12:09 pm : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?



Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?


I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players.

Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way.
Darian Thompson  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:09 pm : link

"is the key"
agreed with that /\ berhe comment at ss/lb/up  
idiotsavant : 10/27/2016 12:09 pm : link
meanwhile, short caveat that DT is a rookie and missed some time.

but I have been ranting about drafting the 'INTs FS' since forever, and noted this kid and highlighted him on the (sy?) thread.

For sure. the 5-0-6 with OV as a "5th DL/LB"

Berhe up close z(ss/lb), D.T. middle looking for INTs and Collins deep. 3 corners man cover.
RE: Considering Leon Hall is our starting FS,  
Pete in MD : 10/27/2016 12:09 pm : link
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I think it's a fair statement. I thought he was playing very well in his limited time.

Andrew Adams has been the starting FS since the Vikings game. He's played almost every defensive snap since then.

I actually think the team has found quality depth in Adams. He hasn't been perfect by any means but has shown he can come in and not be a complete disaster. And he should only get better. Maybe they can run the Perry Fewell three safety look in the future? Collins can absolutely play the hybrid S/LB spot. He already does it now.
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bradshaw44 : 10/27/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13192993 est1986 said:
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.


Or someone on the FO made a great draft choice.
apparently  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:13 pm : link
we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to.

You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies.
so its  
idiotsavant : 10/27/2016 12:14 pm : link
Okwara/(OV)/Snacks\Hank\JPP

......(OV roams gaps /\).....

Berhe contain runs if any escape those 5

Apples/Jenk/DRC (man cover)

D.T. (follow the play the ball)

Collins (deep security)

which obviously you can mix up all sorts of ways, blitz all sorts of ways or drop all sorts of ways

5-0-6  
idiotsavant : 10/27/2016 12:16 pm : link
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The Turk : 10/27/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13192993 est1986 said:
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.


or when a third round rookie is the key, your front office did a great job finding that guy
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est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:16 pm : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?



Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?



I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players.

Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way.


How about you review my statement. When did I say "FO fails if a 3rd rd pick succeeds?" I said "FO failed" if the "key" to our defense is a third round pick. Dak has played in 6 games and has looked awesome, what the hell has Thompson done this season????
he's played well in limited snaps, had a GREAT camp  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:17 pm : link
and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend?

RE: i don't wanna hear shit  
Tuckrule : 10/27/2016 12:18 pm : link
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about not being able to beat fucking philly. Ugly it up all over the field just fucking win. The D can carry NYG to victory. It's a talented unit.


Giants back from the bye while the Eagles are coming off a huge game against Dallas. We need to, and should, win this game.
RE: apparently  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:19 pm : link
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we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to.

You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies.


Or guys don't even have to play a single snap and we can just look for you to declare them good and we can all just jump on the bandwagon.
and when I say limited snaps  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:20 pm : link
he did play a pretty big number of snaps in the games he was active for.

He's far from a finished product or known commodity but the guy has flashed serious potential and the position was dangerously thin the last 3-4 weeks.
RE: he's played well in limited snaps, had a GREAT camp  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:21 pm : link
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and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend?


Lol "GREAT CAMP" its week 8, wake up.
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djm : 10/27/2016 12:22 pm : link
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we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to.

You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies.



Or guys don't even have to play a single snap and we can just look for you to declare them good and we can all just jump on the bandwagon.


You're digging deeper into the bullshit tirade of yours. Keep at it...Thompson didn't play any snaps? Actually he played 87 snaps and had 6 solo and very noticeable tackles.
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djm : 10/27/2016 12:23 pm : link
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and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend?




Lol "GREAT CAMP" its week 8, wake up.


Go back to 1986.
Man...  
bradshaw44 : 10/27/2016 12:23 pm : link
The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way.
bottom line  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:26 pm : link
you came in to this thread and took a hard line asshole stance against an innocent if slightly hyperbolic post although even the slightly hyperbolic part is probably a stretch. You being around since 86 should know damn well that a decimated position, especially the secondary can most definitely sabotage a season. If Thompson merely plays exactly like he did in those 87 snaps for the majority of the season and Adams is back to being a rotational depth guy, that could indeed be a key. Or would you like to see another CC Brown back there covering Dez Bryant or Marvin Jones this December?

Wake up.
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BigBlueShock : 10/27/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13193117 est1986 said:
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we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to.

You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies.



Or guys don't even have to play a single snap and we can just look for you to declare them good and we can all just jump on the bandwagon.

You are one miserable fuck. Shitting on Richburg in the other thread (hell you threw in a dig here too) and now this nonsense. What a joy you must be at the bingo hall
RE: RE: he's played well in limited snaps, had a GREAT camp  
The_Boss : 10/27/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13193122 est1986 said:
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and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend?




Lol "GREAT CAMP" its week 8, wake up.


How many pass plays have the NYG surrendered of over 20 yards since week 2? A ton. The jury is still out on Thompson, but he's right now (by far) the best option at FS.
forget the player  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:28 pm : link
the position is healthier now than it was last month or last week. That is key. Fuck off if you don't like the choice of words.
RE: Man...  
Pete in 'Vliet : 10/27/2016 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13193126 bradshaw44 said:
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The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way.


This is the point here. Its still very early, but from his play in camp and the first 2 games, there is a chance we could have 2 fantastic safeties who will only get better together over the next couple of seasons. Obviously alot can changed that, including injuries. But right now there is alot to be excited about with Thompson and Collins.
Lol  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:29 pm : link
You mad bro. What tirade? Lol just don't over sell me on how great Thompson is, the jury is indeed still out, just don't pretend like everything is going to fall in place when he gets back.
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therealmf : 10/27/2016 12:30 pm : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?



Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?



I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players.

Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way.



How about you review my statement. When did I say "FO fails if a 3rd rd pick succeeds?" I said "FO failed" if the "key" to our defense is a third round pick. Dak has played in 6 games and has looked awesome, what the hell has Thompson done this season????


First off if a 3rd round pick is the key to a defense I venture to guess he succeeded.

Anyway, I don't believe DT is the key. Nor did I say that, nor did I defend the statement. I did say "And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?". Meaning I think he overstated his case.

I took your post as what could be seen as a shot to the FO.
RE: What exactly has Darian Thompson done?  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13193068 est1986 said:
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I agree it okay to be optimistic about him, a little, but lets not pretend he's a top safety or something the kid has played how many snaps? This is the same BBI that declared Richburg an All Pro center after one year at center now he blows. Sorry if being honest seems like a dark cloud.


Or you can continue to be miserable about every facet of this team, is sports even fun for you?
you trolled the thread  
djm : 10/27/2016 12:31 pm : link
..whatever i'm done.
RE: Lol  
The_Boss : 10/27/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13193144 est1986 said:
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You mad bro. What tirade? Lol just don't over sell me on how great Thompson is, the jury is indeed still out, just don't pretend like everything is going to fall in place when he gets back.


Ed Reed isn't available and Thomoson is better than Berhe and Adams. What option do you think is better right now?
wtf is the big deal?  
Ceez2.0 : 10/27/2016 12:32 pm : link
Fans are excited about a player who not only seemed to be a value pick but has shown promise when on the field (practice and game day). Hyperbole or not, we are fans and we're excited.
this thread is absurd  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 12:34 pm : link
and a perfect example of why BBI can be a real fucking drag sometimes.
RE: this thread is absurd  
bradshaw44 : 10/27/2016 12:39 pm : link
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and a perfect example of why BBI can be a real fucking drag sometimes.


I was going to say that I can't believe my post caused such a crazy response, but after 9 years on the site I know it's par for the course. I wrote my post as if I was saying the actual words. Clearly the context didn't translate. I clarified my statement a few minutes ago. Probably not a good enough clarification for some, but I stand my statement.
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christian : 10/27/2016 12:40 pm : link
Subtract the hyperbole - the reality is Thompson showed a lot of ability in pres-season and in practice and was named a starter.

Getting the player the staff deemed the best back is unequivocally a good thing.

The Giants defense has improved dramatically over last year, to the point where I'd argue they are a good defense.

There are some weaknesses in specific areas of the field in pass defense - getting a rangier, faster free safety on the field should improve third down pass coverage on the side of the field he lines up on.
Thompson is another product of the Giants hype machine  
ghost718 : 10/27/2016 12:41 pm : link
Whether you want to admit it or not.He didn't do shit in the pre season,and has made a few tackles prior to getting hurt.That's about it.
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est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:44 pm : link
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You mad bro. What tirade? Lol just don't over sell me on how great Thompson is, the jury is indeed still out, just don't pretend like everything is going to fall in place when he gets back.



Ed Reed isn't available and Thomoson is better than Berhe and Adams. What option do you think is better right now?


Thompson is the best option. I was/am merely attempting to slow down the hype train, Thompson coming back doesn't turn our D into a different animal. I am glad he is coming back, hopefully he can stay on the field so we can see what we have
RE: Thompson is another product of the Giants hype machine  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 12:45 pm : link
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Whether you want to admit it or not.He didn't do shit in the pre season,and has made a few tackles prior to getting hurt.That's about it.


THANK YOU!!! And the truth shall set you free~!!!!!!!!!
RE: Thompson is another product of the Giants hype machine  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 12:47 pm : link
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Whether you want to admit it or not.He didn't do shit in the pre season,and has made a few tackles prior to getting hurt.That's about it.


Sweet high horse. There's no hype machine, we are getting back our starting Free Safety who's a better player than anyone else on our roster or the scrap heap at his position. How much better is yet to be seen, but I'm pretty confident that he will be an impact for us barring any set backs with his foot.

If you disagree that's perfectly fine. But typing that opinion over and over and over again like 1986 did is not only counter productive, but really fucking annoying.
haha  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 12:49 pm : link
that "hype train". Does other people's opinion of an athlete and their ability really effect you that much? Do you have a bad day if someone "hypes" up a player you don't like or think is good enough?

So damn odd, such as waste of time.
There is a hype machine  
ghost718 : 10/27/2016 12:53 pm : link
The Easter Bunny..Santa Clause..those are up for debate.But they do hype up players.Practically the whole draft class this year.
What  
crick n NC : 10/27/2016 12:54 pm : link
Exactly is the hype about Thompson that you don't approve or agree with?
injuries  
giantfan2000 : 10/27/2016 1:01 pm : link
it is amazing the Injuries this year compared to the last few years

finally we have a team that will stay on the field
when we do have injuries , like all teams , they are not season ending

Kudos to the Strength and Conditioning staff
RE: What  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13193207 crick n NC said:
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Exactly is the hype about Thompson that you don't approve or agree with?


Lol, I do like DT for the record. I think the first post said something like "This kid is the key to the defense" or something like that and I said "when a third round rookie with only week one under his belt is the key to the defense in week 9 then the FO failed us" and everyone blew up on me, what is everyone expecting from DT? Our defense to go from night to day because of a guy who has played in what, 30 snaps?
BBI is declaring him the real deal  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 1:27 pm : link
While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.
Our S unit right now is Collins and a bunch of nothing  
Torrag : 10/27/2016 1:28 pm : link
If Thompson and Behre can return and contribute it shores up our weakest area of he defense. As a group the defense is carrying us this season. To give them some reinforcements bodes well for the second half run.
RE: BBI is declaring him the real deal  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13193276 est1986 said:
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.


Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.

You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.
I really like what I've seen from him  
Keith : 10/27/2016 1:40 pm : link
in the limited time. It's also important to note that the coaching staff who has seen him practice and in meetings, is very high on him. He's a very good tackler which we are missing right now.

I think he will make us better immediately.
I am Glad he is coming back ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/27/2016 1:46 pm : link
Behre played well and Adams has not been a total liability
either . He got beat by Tavon Austin but he had very good
coverage but couldn't bat the ball down .
I have no Idea how good Thompson is but he has the history
as a play maker . Hopefully he stays healthy so we can see
if he was indeed a good 3rd round pick .
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bradshaw44 : 10/27/2016 1:51 pm : link
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Exactly is the hype about Thompson that you don't approve or agree with?



Lol, I do like DT for the record. I think the first post said something like "This kid is the key to the defense" or something like that and I said "when a third round rookie with only week one under his belt is the key to the defense in week 9 then the FO failed us" and everyone blew up on me, what is everyone expecting from DT? Our defense to go from night to day because of a guy who has played in what, 30 snaps?


Just to clarify, not sure if you saw this response but I followed up after all of the craziness ensued with this post...

"The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way."

I agree he still has to prove himself. I wrote the first post as if I were speaking the words and context was not conveyed well, no big deal.
Thompson main not be the "key" to this Defense but he  
Jimmy Googs : 10/27/2016 1:53 pm : link
better than Adams. And playing better players is simply better for the team.

But lets argue about semantics on every thread...
RE: RE: BBI is declaring him the real deal  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 1:55 pm : link
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.



Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.

You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.


But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.
Saw an article a few days back  
Beer Man : 10/27/2016 2:07 pm : link
That said the Giants would be fully healthy following the bye-week.
RE: RE: RE: BBI is declaring him the real deal  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13193316 est1986 said:
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.



Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.

You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.



But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.


I don't see anyone being unreasonable. You were trying to tell people how they should view a player, I wasn't. You also said Thompson didn't play any snaps, he did.

There's plenty of reason to be optimistic about him and think he will be a good player for us. If you don't, that's cool too.
RE: RE: RE: BBI is declaring him the real deal  
therealmf : 10/27/2016 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13193316 est1986 said:
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.



Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.

You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.



But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.


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When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
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I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense.
things would have gone smoother. So you did cause most of what you got.

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When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.
respectfully disagreeing?
RE: RE: RE: RE: BBI is declaring him the real deal  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13193338 UConn4523 said:
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While I'm reserving my right to declare him great until I see him play his SECOND full game! The difference between me and them is they are upset when you say he's anything other than the real deal.



Perfectly fine to have an opinion, we've all said as much. You berated every single person on this thread for not agreeing with you, its you who's upset.

You don't think you've seen anything from Thompson, fair enough. Don't know why you have to post it 20 times.



But it took you 20 posts for you to say "fair enough" and I berated everyone but no one berated me after my initial opinion? Your taking it personal, I only respectfully disagreed and provided my reasons is all.. everyone else got mad at my opinion. As fans of course we get high on our guys based off potential I was merely trying to be the voice of reason and as a reasonable person you can't disagree that we don't know what we have in a player that has only played, give or take 30 snaps. Not like this kid was a steal of a third round pick. Lets be optimistic but REASONABLE as well. Richburg was one of the 5 best centers last year, all I've said is lets not declare him an All-Pro center after just one season let him prove it again, and so far he's been disappointing, I still have high hopes for Weston.. I'm a little less optimistic about DT but I never said he was "trash" or anything close to that, I just stand firm when I say I disagree that "our 3rd round FS is the key" to our defense. Lets see him on the field before we say that.



I don't see anyone being unreasonable. You were trying to tell people how they should view a player, I wasn't. You also said Thompson didn't play any snaps, he did.

There's plenty of reason to be optimistic about him and think he will be a good player for us. If you don't, that's cool too.


One thing we all can agree on it will be good to see him finally back on the field. And if I said he didn't play "any" I know he played Week 1 and a handful of snaps vs the Saints. Not a big enough sampling to determine if he will be our FS of the future is all. I hope he can stay on the field.
RE: Man...  
GuzzaBlue : 10/27/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13193126 bradshaw44 said:
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The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way.


I completely agree with this. Key may not be the perfect word but who cares. We've been lacking a center fielder for years including this year. Thompson is so important because he can cover Collins over the top most plays and let him run free closer to the line.

We don't know the finished product of Thompson, but we can all make an educational judgement based on experts opinions, college tape/highlights and limited NFL exposure that he can play the "Centerfield Safety" fairly to very well. So yes it would appear he is an important piece to this defense.
If we have to rely on a sixth round QB who hasn't taking any snaps  
map7711 : 10/27/2016 2:45 pm : link
Really we're doomed. Est1986 if he was a New England fan 2001.
RE: RE: This kid is the key  
KeoweeFan : 10/27/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13192993 est1986 said:
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.


When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?

(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)
RE: If we have to rely on a sixth round QB who hasn't taking any snaps  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13193407 map7711 said:
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Really we're doomed. Est1986 if he was a New England fan 2001.


Lol OK you got me. Forgive me, I must have blinked and missed Darian dominate those 5 quarters he's played in this season, he's the key on defense. Ever since Tom Brady did it its just more and more common.
RE: RE: RE: This kid is the key  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 2:58 pm : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?

(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)


LOL so you are declaring that DT is hidden gem after 5 quarters of play? It wasn't that the FO failed us on the pick.. they failed to address the safety position for years now we are praying (me too) that our 3rd round pick saves the day.
Can the guy...  
M.S. : 10/27/2016 3:03 pm : link

...stay healthy?

First round is not promising.
Nice to have an update on all the injured Giants.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/27/2016 3:10 pm : link
I wonder how far away Vereen really is. We're in Week 8 now - pretty much the latest anyone can go on IR and still return to contribute during the regular season. Among the other qualifiers, J.T.Thomas is done for sure with severe knee damage, and M.Thompson is basically forgotten on the depth chart: he might be the fifth FS after DT returns, behind DT, Berhe, Adams and Hall. So if the Giants are going to get any help off IR down the stretch, it has to be Vereen.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This kid is the key  
map7711 : 10/27/2016 3:48 pm : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?

(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)



LOL so you are declaring that DT is hidden gem after 5 quarters of play? It wasn't that the FO failed us on the pick.. they failed to address the safety position for years now we are praying (me too) that our 3rd round pick saves the day.


Wow are you a disagreeable person. There's more evidence that they kid can be pretty good than there is evidence that he's not. Had a great camp-according to coaches and media. He is starting as a rookie. I don't care if the safety position on the team was weak. He is starting and that shows me something. When he was in there, he was good. But thanks captain obvious- there's too small of a sample set to make an accurate assessment. No shit. I'm so glad you're here to tell us. But so far there's every reason to be high on him. No evidence not to be. And that's the point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This kid is the key  
est1986 : 10/27/2016 4:35 pm : link
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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye



When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.



When the first two rounds are solid hits, how can finding a hidden gem in the 3rd round be considered a FO failure?

(I'm sure you just forgot about Snacks, Jack Rabbit and Olivier.)



LOL so you are declaring that DT is hidden gem after 5 quarters of play? It wasn't that the FO failed us on the pick.. they failed to address the safety position for years now we are praying (me too) that our 3rd round pick saves the day.



Wow are you a disagreeable person. There's more evidence that they kid can be pretty good than there is evidence that he's not. Had a great camp-according to coaches and media. He is starting as a rookie. I don't care if the safety position on the team was weak. He is starting and that shows me something. When he was in there, he was good. But thanks captain obvious- there's too small of a sample set to make an accurate assessment. No shit. I'm so glad you're here to tell us. But so far there's every reason to be high on him. No evidence not to be. And that's the point.


One reason not to be high on him is he has missed more games than he's played but OK your point is fair but am I the only one okay with agreeing to disagree. All I've said is slow down the bandwagon until we see him make a play.
what speed should the band wagon be at  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2016 4:40 pm : link
and how do you measure it?

I still don't understand why you care that people are excited. Its so odd. If you don't like hearing excitement about the player i'm not sure why you are wasting your time on the thread.

If Thompson turns out to play like shit and be a bad pick, I'll worry about it then.
all I know is  
djm : 10/27/2016 5:25 pm : link
if this thread was an actual real life conversation in a bar it would never ever ever go like this. But this isn't real life.
Good Adams  
shelovesnycsports : 10/27/2016 5:28 pm : link
is Horrible.
If I agree that DT could help our defense will I get burned at the  
joe48 : 10/27/2016 6:15 pm : link
Stake? Do not understand why people kill each other over DT when the Oline sucks.
I see this thread got BBI'd.  
drkenneth : 10/27/2016 6:18 pm : link
Sigh.
I must've been really dumb for getting hyped for a 7th rd pick  
micky : 10/27/2016 8:26 pm : link
out of Marshall..let alone this 3rd rd'er too. Damn you Ahmad Bradshaw!
Miller but  
idiotsavant : 10/27/2016 8:48 pm : link
I saw the highlight of Kerry Wins sack just now:

Decent play actually, not a fluke play, from a interior gap, spin move on interior did not loose track of the action
RE: I must've been really dumb for getting hyped for a 7th rd pick  
bradshaw44 : 10/27/2016 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13193787 micky said:
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out of Marshall..let alone this 3rd rd'er too. Damn you Ahmad Bradshaw!


Sorry man
Excellent news  
giantgiantfan : 10/28/2016 3:01 am : link
I hope we nabbed a 3rd round gem here and can have a dynamic duo between him and Collins for years to come. Both can tackle and Collins is ascending in coverage. Imagine Collins in year 3 and Thompson in year 2 back there!
RE: I could be wrong, so go a little easy on me,  
adamg : 10/28/2016 4:05 am : link
In comment 13193002 Big Blue '56 said:
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but when he was taken in the draft, weren't there a bunch of WTFs?


Oh there definitely was. Everyone was going on about how, despite his INT #s, size, etc. he was a natural SS and the kid from BC was better and it was Jerry Reach at work again, etc. Glad to see the bandwagon shifted. I hope he's 100% for Philly. Between Adams and Berhe, we'll have great depth at the position with all four healthy (plus we're freaking young as hell at S). And if he plays like we suspect he should, we have imo the most dangerous secondary in the league.
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