Darian Thompson expected back after bye...

I was hoping he'd be back after the bye

I think the lack of a good FS has really hurt us these past few weeks. He's a very strong tackler and seems to have a good knack for being in the right place.

In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said:

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I was hoping he'd be back after the bye

When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.

to watch him and Collins go to work. Could be the best Safety tandem we've had in a long, long time.

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In comment 13192994 UConn4523 said:

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to watch him and Collins go to work. Could be the best Safety tandem we've had in a long, long time.

Any safety tandem is better than the ones we've had of recent years but after one full game played together it is far too early.

In comment 13192993 est1986 said:

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In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.

So having a good 3rd round pick is also failing?

but when he was taken in the draft, weren't there a bunch of WTFs?

In comment 13192997 est1986 said:

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In comment 13192994 UConn4523 said: Quote: to watch him and Collins go to work. Could be the best Safety tandem we've had in a long, long time. Any safety tandem is better than the ones we've had of recent years but after one full game played together it is far too early.

I disagree.

it was a combination of training camp and early regular season. Obviously too early to say he's that guy, but that's probably why he said "could be". Thanks for clarifying and being the voice of reason.

In comment 13192993 est1986 said:

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In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.

Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?

but both have been out, and then you're left with the 3rd string. That's one of the problems the NFL has, limited roster sizes, reduction in practice times with the new CBA, FA setting in after 4 years - 3rd string ain't worth crap most of the time.

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and think he's a good prospect, but is he really the key? Was he playing that well before his injury???

I think it's a fair statement. I thought he was playing very well in his limited time.

and the coaches were very high on him as well.

In comment 13193001 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 13192993 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO. So having a good 3rd round pick is also failing?

If he's being labeled a good third round pick after missing half the year and playing only one full game then Owa must be border line All-Pro?

In comment 13193017 therealmf said:

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In comment 13192993 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO. Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?

Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?

about not being able to beat fucking philly. Ugly it up all over the field just fucking win. The D can carry NYG to victory. It's a talented unit.

I agree it okay to be optimistic about him, a little, but lets not pretend he's a top safety or something the kid has played how many snaps? This is the same BBI that declared Richburg an All Pro center after one year at center now he blows. Sorry if being honest seems like a dark cloud.

Thompson can clearly play. He's not THE key but he's an important part of the defensive puzzle. Adams filled in admirably and the D had played well at times but getting a good player back can only help and if you were paying attention to Thompson you'd see he was a legit presence out there. You're pissing all over an innocent post.

I wouldn't mind seeing Berhe in a hybrid WLB role in nickle and dime packages.

we lost 3 guys in the secondary that all showed good safety promise and Thompson showed the most. You're arguing that getting the best looking safety on the roster back from injury isn't going to help? We had a guy starting that was on the PS because 3 guys were hurt, including Thompson. The Giants were woefully thin but actually managed pretty well. OF course you still find a way to get on the front office.

If you didn't see him play that's OK but all you'd need to do is pour over the details about this kid's first few months of NFL life and you'd see he's a very promising player.

Or you could continue to rail against it for whatever strange reason.

In comment 13193057 est1986 said:

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In comment 13193017 therealmf said: Quote: In comment 13192993 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO. Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense? Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two?

I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players.

Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way.

"is the key"

meanwhile, short caveat that DT is a rookie and missed some time.

but I have been ranting about drafting the 'INTs FS' since forever, and noted this kid and highlighted him on the (sy?) thread.

For sure. the 5-0-6 with OV as a "5th DL/LB"

Berhe up close z(ss/lb), D.T. middle looking for INTs and Collins deep. 3 corners man cover.

In comment 13193044 Keith said:

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I think it's a fair statement. I thought he was playing very well in his limited time.

Andrew Adams has been the starting FS since the Vikings game. He's played almost every defensive snap since then.

I actually think the team has found quality depth in Adams. He hasn't been perfect by any means but has shown he can come in and not be a complete disaster. And he should only get better. Maybe they can run the Perry Fewell three safety look in the future? Collins can absolutely play the hybrid S/LB spot. He already does it now.

In comment 13192993 est1986 said:

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In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.

Or someone on the FO made a great draft choice.

we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to.

You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies.

Okwara/(OV)/Snacks\Hank\JPP

......(OV roams gaps /\).....

Berhe contain runs if any escape those 5

Apples/Jenk/DRC (man cover)

D.T. (follow the play the ball)

Collins (deep security)

which obviously you can mix up all sorts of ways, blitz all sorts of ways or drop all sorts of ways

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In comment 13192993 est1986 said:

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In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO.

or when a third round rookie is the key, your front office did a great job finding that guy

In comment 13193082 therealmf said:

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In comment 13193057 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13193017 therealmf said: Quote: In comment 13192993 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO. Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense? Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two? I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players. Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way.

How about you review my statement. When did I say "FO fails if a 3rd rd pick succeeds?" I said "FO failed" if the "key" to our defense is a third round pick. Dak has played in 6 games and has looked awesome, what the hell has Thompson done this season????

and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend?

In comment 13193062 djm said:

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about not being able to beat fucking philly. Ugly it up all over the field just fucking win. The D can carry NYG to victory. It's a talented unit.

Giants back from the bye while the Eagles are coming off a huge game against Dallas. We need to, and should, win this game.

In comment 13193102 djm said:

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we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to. You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies.

Or guys don't even have to play a single snap and we can just look for you to declare them good and we can all just jump on the bandwagon.

he did play a pretty big number of snaps in the games he was active for.

He's far from a finished product or known commodity but the guy has flashed serious potential and the position was dangerously thin the last 3-4 weeks.

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and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend?

Lol "GREAT CAMP" its week 8, wake up.

In comment 13193117 est1986 said:

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In comment 13193102 djm said: Quote: we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to. You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies. Or guys don't even have to play a single snap and we can just look for you to declare them good and we can all just jump on the bandwagon.

You're digging deeper into the bullshit tirade of yours. Keep at it...Thompson didn't play any snaps? Actually he played 87 snaps and had 6 solo and very noticeable tackles.

In comment 13193122 est1986 said:

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In comment 13193111 djm said: Quote: and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend? Lol "GREAT CAMP" its week 8, wake up.

Go back to 1986.

The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way.

you came in to this thread and took a hard line asshole stance against an innocent if slightly hyperbolic post although even the slightly hyperbolic part is probably a stretch. You being around since 86 should know damn well that a decimated position, especially the secondary can most definitely sabotage a season. If Thompson merely plays exactly like he did in those 87 snaps for the majority of the season and Adams is back to being a rotational depth guy, that could indeed be a key. Or would you like to see another CC Brown back there covering Dez Bryant or Marvin Jones this December?

Wake up.

In comment 13193117 est1986 said:

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In comment 13193102 djm said: Quote: we aren't allowed to believe in a player's talents until est1986 tells us all it's ok to. You let us know ok? Are you convinced that BEckham is a great WR yet? Hopefully he doesn't start sucking soon because we'd all look so foolish in placing this guy on a pedestal of lies. Or guys don't even have to play a single snap and we can just look for you to declare them good and we can all just jump on the bandwagon.

You are one miserable fuck. Shitting on Richburg in the other thread (hell you threw in a dig here too) and now this nonsense. What a joy you must be at the bingo hall

In comment 13193122 est1986 said:

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In comment 13193111 djm said: Quote: and helps restore a woefully thin position. Again, wtf is so hard for you to comprehend? Lol "GREAT CAMP" its week 8, wake up.

How many pass plays have the NYG surrendered of over 20 yards since week 2? A ton. The jury is still out on Thompson, but he's right now (by far) the best option at FS.

the position is healthier now than it was last month or last week. That is key. Fuck off if you don't like the choice of words.

In comment 13193126 bradshaw44 said:

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The kid played really well in his limited time. Having a good FS to finally compliment an excellent SS is "key" in my opinion. He was showing excellent understanding an execution in his limited time. FS has been a position of need for this D for several years now. I didn't mean he's our LT or JJ Watt, but he rounds out this D in a much needed way.

This is the point here. Its still very early, but from his play in camp and the first 2 games, there is a chance we could have 2 fantastic safeties who will only get better together over the next couple of seasons. Obviously alot can changed that, including injuries. But right now there is alot to be excited about with Thompson and Collins.

You mad bro. What tirade? Lol just don't over sell me on how great Thompson is, the jury is indeed still out, just don't pretend like everything is going to fall in place when he gets back.

In comment 13193110 est1986 said:

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In comment 13193082 therealmf said: Quote: In comment 13193057 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13193017 therealmf said: Quote: In comment 13192993 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13192982 bradshaw44 said: Quote: I was hoping he'd be back after the bye When a third round rookie is the key to your defense someone failed in the FO. Or succeeded. You think Dallas fans are complaining about the front office picking Dak? And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense? Because Thompson started QB and has his team 5-1? Can you even compare the two? I didn't compare them. Review your statement. FO fails if a 3rd round pick succeeds Dak is a 4th. Did the Dallas FO fail? I never compared them as players. Your post may or may not have been meant as a shot at the FO, but you can't blame people for taking it that way. How about you review my statement. When did I say "FO fails if a 3rd rd pick succeeds?" I said "FO failed" if the "key" to our defense is a third round pick. Dak has played in 6 games and has looked awesome, what the hell has Thompson done this season????

First off if a 3rd round pick is the key to a defense I venture to guess he succeeded.

Anyway, I don't believe DT is the key. Nor did I say that, nor did I defend the statement. I did say "And do you really think the poster meant he is the best player on defense?". Meaning I think he overstated his case.

I took your post as what could be seen as a shot to the FO.

In comment 13193068 est1986 said:

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I agree it okay to be optimistic about him, a little, but lets not pretend he's a top safety or something the kid has played how many snaps? This is the same BBI that declared Richburg an All Pro center after one year at center now he blows. Sorry if being honest seems like a dark cloud.

Or you can continue to be miserable about every facet of this team, is sports even fun for you?

..whatever i'm done.