Jarvis Landry says he did not receive fine letter from NFL

keep fining players for celebrating touchdowns, Rog!

a headshot? Defenseless defender (is that a thing)?

I watched the game live and they called it a crackback and he was flagged 15 yards. But he does not make contact below the waist, so technically it's not a crackback.

I'm just not sure what the fine would be for, I can't tell if it's a head shot or just a defenseless defender (which I don't think is even a penalty unless it's a headshot).

the defenders head/neck area. He says it's a football play, which is how I assume the NFL is looking at it. I don't necessarily believe that the outcome of Aaron Williams health status should impact whether or not a player receives a fine. I think a lot of people are looking at it that way and shouldn't be. I just am baffled how OBJ gets a fine for his celebrations while this is okay.
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To me, if they blow landry up and make a play we would say Landry sucks at blocking, good hit.

is ridiculous, but I don't think one justifies the other.

The celebration fines are stupid, and people (players) feel like the league is hypocritical by not fining plays like this or not suspending players like Burfict after claiming to put player safety first, but to me they're separate issues.

And to be honest I care more about penalties and suspensions than fines. I think they should ditch the celebration penalties and handle anything they feel out of line with a fine. Players probably care more about the fines too (or as much)

In comment 13193527 pjcas18 said:

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is ridiculous, but I don't think one justifies the other. The celebration fines are stupid, and people (players) feel like the league is hypocritical by not fining plays like this or not suspending players like Burfict after claiming to put player safety first, but to me they're separate issues. And to be honest I care more about penalties and suspensions than fines. I think they should ditch the celebration penalties and handle anything they feel out of line with a fine. Players probably care more about the fines too (or as much)

Very fair points. I guess with the need for emphasis on player safety, it would seem like an almost open/shut case TO ME.

but I can't tell where he makes contact.

I don't think fining someone for a hard hit that hurt a player is what anyone in the game wants.

but if it breaks a rule then absolutely agree, it's just hard for me to tell if he hits him in the chest unexpectedly and that knocks his head back or if he makes contact with his head - or if some other rule is broken.

I'm just not clear what he should be fined for with this play without a closer image. and even during the live game they didn't show it in slo-mo or close up and like I said they announced it as a crackback I believe for the penalty, which it's not.

and Heavily fined ! Just watch the play he easily good have
blocked him off with the other shoulder without leaving his
feet . Instead he decided to try and knock the guys head
off blatantly a cheap shot . Thats the problem anymore
it was an easy block to make but he is looking to hurt
someone and he succeeded .
Not much different in the tackling players would rather
launch themselves then just form tackle .

Never saw Landry coming, was Jarvis supposed to recognize that and stop?

In comment 13193546 Bluesbreaker said:

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and Heavily fined ! Just watch the play he easily good have blocked him off with the other shoulder without leaving his feet . Instead he decided to try and knock the guys head off blatantly a cheap shot . Thats the problem anymore it was an easy block to make but he is looking to hurt someone and he succeeded . Not much different in the tackling players would rather launch themselves then just form tackle .

Tell Pugh to make the easy block and to try not to take any heads off while you are at it then. DB's crack guys all day long but when I WR hits a DB its automatically dirty? This looks like a good hit to me, the safety will come to the LOS more cautiously next time around.

it's a penalty and should be a fine. Not to mention he leaves his feet and launches into the defender. How can there possibly be a debate here? It is exactly the type of hit that football at any level is trying to eliminate to protect its players.

and he launches himself near his head.

To me, that's excessive, is a penalty (which it was) and should be a fine.

In comment 13193554 B in ALB said:

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it's a penalty and should be a fine. Not to mention he leaves his feet and launches into the defender. How can there possibly be a debate here? It is exactly the type of hit that football at any level is trying to eliminate to protect its players.

LOL..I'm with you. That hit looks like intent to hurt.

I know you can say that for any hard hit/block, but you can't go near the head like that.

forget about a fine.

In comment 13193566 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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forget about a fine.

at least a game. probably two.

In comment 13193547 est1986 said:

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Never saw Landry coming, was Jarvis supposed to recognize that and stop?

Not at all. But if you look at that and tell me, in today's NFL - not back in the 80s - that's the way to throw a block then you are missing the entire point.

He launches himself, instead of simply going for a block right in the chest.

no doubt he goes high and hard which is completely unnecessary and is the kind of hit that's ruining the NFL. It's clearly an intent to injure.

That being said, he goes straight into the defender, it's not a blindside hit. How does the defender not see it coming??

In comment 13193568 BillKo said:

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In comment 13193547 est1986 said: Quote: Never saw Landry coming, was Jarvis supposed to recognize that and stop? Not at all. But if you look at that and tell me, in today's NFL - not back in the 80s - that's the way to throw a block then you are missing the entire point. He launches himself, instead of simply going for a block right in the chest.

And I should add, lowering his own body to get more center of gravity.

That's intent to hurt, by leaving his feet.

since he left his feet... but Aaron Williams, sorry, but he has to take some responsibility for not seeing Landry coming. The play was in front of him and Landry did not come in from a 90 degree angle.... if a play is coming towards you shouldnt you be preparing that someone may be coming to block you?

yourself at someone as long as you don't lead with your head. Can't you?

And it doesn't look like Landry did, it looked like he lead with his shoulder.

I really can't tell from the image if his shoulder makes contact with the defenders head, if not I don't see how this is fine worthy.

if he does make contact with the head it should be a fine.

that this was the kind of hit we used to see pretty often back 10-20 years ago, and it would just be considered a hard hit. Given what we know now about CTE and players' long term health, those kinds of hits have to go.

How he didn't get fined for it, when it resulted in a penalty on the field, is beyond me.

And if he launched towards the head or neck area then its against the rules but I like this kind of hit, good to see offensive guys do some hitting for a change. I read the an article without seeing the hit and thought it was 100x worse/ 100x more dirty, this is a bang bang play, it is still a contact sport you know, was he supposed to block him softly?

I think he realizes it was an excessive shot. You can't launch and Landry could have still blown the defender up with a good shot to the chest. By launching he brings the neck and head in to play and this is simply a penalty(as it should be)in this day and age.

Should be a fine, as well.

Blandino discusses why he wasn't kicked out of the game...and I can see why he wasn't. It was called a penalty. You get kicked out for doing non football plays (fighting, doing things after the whistle excessively, etc).

But, no where in the NFL.com article do they discuss the "fine" issue...only to say they would mull over it.

wouldn't argue to hard either way if he was fined or not. I do think it was a bit excessive (although I'm not sure Landry was intentionally trying to hurt the defender). BUT, he clear as day lead with his shoulder and not his head. I hope the defender recovers fully and is able to continue his career but what's the saying about having your 'head on a swivel'? He's trying to make a block on a defender during a play that was heading in his direction. If he tries to 'soften' up the block and gets ran over by the defender then we're all laughing at the pitiful attempt made to block by Landry.

At some point we have to remember that this is the game of football and hits like that have been going on for decades. Again, he didn't lead with his helmet... but he did launch himself... so is it illegal to launch yourself into a player even if you don't lead with your helmet now? That's a serious question.

In comment 13193627 T-Bone said:

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wouldn't argue to hard either way if he was fined or not. I do think it was a bit excessive (although I'm not sure Landry was intentionally trying to hurt the defender). BUT, he clear as day lead with his shoulder and not his head. I hope the defender recovers fully and is able to continue his career but what's the saying about having your 'head on a swivel'? He's trying to make a block on a defender during a play that was heading in his direction. If he tries to 'soften' up the block and gets ran over by the defender then we're all laughing at the pitiful attempt made to block by Landry. At some point we have to remember that this is the game of football and hits like that have been going on for decades. Again, he didn't lead with his helmet... but he did launch himself... so is it illegal to launch yourself into a player even if you don't lead with your helmet now? That's a serious question.

I agree with T-Bone - ungodly hard hit, but Landry lead with his shoulder and caught him flush. How does the DB not see Landry coming? It is borderline, I agree, but to me, a legal block. It is football, pay attention.

Like all of you, I hope Aaron recovers fully.

In comment 13193627 T-Bone said:

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wouldn't argue to hard either way if he was fined or not. I do think it was a bit excessive (although I'm not sure Landry was intentionally trying to hurt the defender). BUT, he clear as day lead with his shoulder and not his head. I hope the defender recovers fully and is able to continue his career but what's the saying about having your 'head on a swivel'? He's trying to make a block on a defender during a play that was heading in his direction. If he tries to 'soften' up the block and gets ran over by the defender then we're all laughing at the pitiful attempt made to block by Landry. At some point we have to remember that this is the game of football and hits like that have been going on for decades. Again, he didn't lead with his helmet... but he did launch himself... so is it illegal to launch yourself into a player even if you don't lead with your helmet now? That's a serious question.

Yes, it's illegal if the player receiving the hit is considered to be in a defenseless posture.

It's not relevant what part of the body the blocker leads with - if he makes forcible contact with the head/shoulder area he can be penalized.

Defensive players can be considered to be in a defenseless posture if the hit is the result of a blindside block. Recall that this became a point of emphasis for the NFL after Hines Ward became known to make these kind of really vicious hits as a blocker.

I suspect that Jarvis Landry wasn't fined because the NFL determined that this wasn't really a "blind" hit. Obviously the defender didn't see him, but Jarvis was far enough in front of him where he should have been in his line of sight.

the other player needs to be more aware on the field.