To me, its another year of not having a decent TE ... Can you imagine what Eli and the offense could be if he had a consistent blocker and a reliable threat over the middle. JR needs to look at the history books ... Joe Walton, Aaron Thomas, Bob Tucker, Bavaro, Mowatt, Howard Cross, Shockey, etc ... Who'd I miss ? Oy !
Dishonorable Mention:
No pass rush. 3-4 or 4-3, the Giants were typically known for a strong pass rush.
RB. I know the ol issues but the lack of talent at the position can't be missed or ignored. Jennings snd vereen should be backups.
I'm praying for Perkins.
martellus bennett was traded for a 4th round.. pats got an extra 6th...
not sure if it was on the table but thats mine.
on the other Trevin Wade. Hasn't met a pass target in his direction he can defend.
If he was still playing an active role Newhouse would figure prominently in this post but praise God he isn't.
And the winner is...all of the above.
Dishonorable Mention:
No pass rush. 3-4 or 4-3, the Giants were typically known for a strong pass rush.
We had some bad injury luck, but it's nowhere close to what our injury report looked like in years past. Our pass rush has shown an uptick, but the pressures were there for the most part. Don't think the defense is near the top of the list as to what's really flawed with our roster. I'd say TE is the biggest weakness, and then RB.
Also Donnell
I mean, you gotta be on some stuff to not make ANY changes to this offensive line from last year.
It's like the last time we were able to move the ball effectively on the ground was 2010.
This organization at least went out and spent $ or resources to provide solid depth or starters at many other positions. The OL isn't as bad as it's made out to be, the problem has been primarily Eli and unfortunately not everyone playing there best together. Each week it's a mystery as to who is gonna lay an egg which makes it tough. They will get better.
I agree this team does need a dominant pass rusher again. Someone to build this front around. JPP plays his heart out, but I'm just not sold he's going to be what he once was. I still love him and hope he has a part on this team. Vernon it's still too early to tell especially with the injury. I hope Odi and Okwara can keep growing but I don't see them ever as starters.
So is that one thing or three?
The problem with the O-line isn't neglect, it's failure. Failure by the front office, to be specific. The line has two first-round picks (Pugh and Flowers) and a second-round pick (Richburg). They've spent big free agent $ on O-linemen (Schwartz and Baas) who kind of busted here. The early picks aren't stars. (Richburg looked like he was about to become an All-Pro but has regressed this year, for whatever reason.) The expensive free agents fizzled. The developmental projects haven't developed, though Hart is arguably overperforming his draft position.
If it was neglect, you could say "Well, they need to address the line." But they have addressed the line, and it's still bad. That's the front office actively failing on something they're working on, not letting it go while they worked on something else.
Worse.
I will give this to the front office: Having drafted more O-line busts in the mid-to-late rounds than I can even remember over the last 10 years, they seem to have decided not to bother, and to focus on using early picks on linemen. That's a great concept: Get blue-chip prospects instead of hoping that your projects develop. But the blue-chip prospects aren't playing so well.
He said pick "one" thing, Joey
Herzlich - a roster spot for what many of you will defend is a good special teams player? Sorry not nearly enough. He is an awful LB and is immediately targeted everytime he gets snaps. Others will say he can defend the run and is decent on the goal line. Nope wrong again...go watch replays of the Ravens game where they scored on two short goal line plays and how Herzlich was clueless in the end zone behind a pile of bodies. Almost shocking we cannot find a speedier prospect for the future at LB (even a risky one) and teach him to be at least a decent ST player now...shocking.
Wade - the human bulls-eye. My hope for Wade to turn into a decent reserve CB went by the wayside last year versus New Orleans and San Fran. He was basically targeted in each of those games and couldn't hold up...at all. Then when he played versus the Redskins this year, their Punter decided he would challenge Wade...successfully mind you. He is simply a liability if he plays and not worth keeping since he actually has had enough of snaps to prove his worth by now.
I do know a two way TE would mask a lot of the problems on offense.
No fullback.
No play/action passes.
Shotgun draw plays.
Playcalling by the head coach
Vereen being hurt.
OLine, Running back, tight end, play calling, injuries to DB's.
Pick one.
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Of this roster is the snail's pace that it is taking to rebuild this damn offensive line. We're 4 years in and we're still 2 players short. Flowers is a RT who will be given all the time in the world to try to develop into a LT and we have no stable long term answer at RG and RT. Guys like Schwartz and JD Walton weren't the answer in FA, nor are Newhouse and Jerry. Premium assets (read: high draft picks and/or FA dollars) continue to be needed to sink into this unit. Unbelievable.
The problem is worse than you say, actually.
The problem with the O-line isn't neglect, it's failure. Failure by the front office, to be specific. The line has two first-round picks (Pugh and Flowers) and a second-round pick (Richburg). They've spent big free agent $ on O-linemen (Schwartz and Baas) who kind of busted here. The early picks aren't stars. (Richburg looked like he was about to become an All-Pro but has regressed this year, for whatever reason.) The expensive free agents fizzled. The developmental projects haven't developed, though Hart is arguably overperforming his draft position.
If it was neglect, you could say "Well, they need to address the line." But they have addressed the line, and it's still bad. That's the front office actively failing on something they're working on, not letting it go while they worked on something else.
Worse.
I will give this to the front office: Having drafted more O-line busts in the mid-to-late rounds than I can even remember over the last 10 years, they seem to have decided not to bother, and to focus on using early picks on linemen. That's a great concept: Get blue-chip prospects instead of hoping that your projects develop. But the blue-chip prospects aren't playing so well.
Well said. How they've addressed the OL has been an epic failure from top to bottom. The Flowers pick did and still does annoy me the most. The best player in the draft is sitting there for them to take for the 2nd year in a row (with Beckham being the year before) and they run up to podium like they committed a coup....and take Flowers at 9, who is among the worst OT's in football again, over Todd Gurley. I'd rather have Gurley and some OL machination other than Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Newhouse/Hart.
A second is in the OL,had hopes EF improved, and with Solari it'd be better.
martellus bennett was traded for a 4th round.. pats got an extra 6th...
not sure if it was on the table but thats mine.
Here you Joey but those guys don't grow on trees anymore in today's spread offenses in college!
Most frustrating thing for me would be the tight ends. There's absolutely zero threat from that position.
Our LBs have been good this season.
I will give this to the front office: Having drafted more O-line busts in the mid-to-late rounds than I can even remember over the last 10 years, they seem to have decided not to bother, and to focus on using early picks on linemen. That's a great concept: Get blue-chip prospects instead of hoping that your projects develop. But the blue-chip prospects aren't playing so well.
Another bullshit statement. Plenty of mid to late round OL can and have developed into pro bowl players, especially for our team. The ones we've picked lately just haven't panned out. Look around the league, plenty of good lineman are starting and playing very well that were taken in rounds 3 or higher.
Why? if there was opportunity to bring him here we should have. Cap space wasnt an issue.
Maybe he didnt like it here idk.
The team needs a competent TE. We currently DO NOT have one
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not to have one.
martellus bennett was traded for a 4th round.. pats got an extra 6th...
not sure if it was on the table but thats mine.
Here you Joey but those guys don't grow on trees anymore in today's spread offenses in college!
Thats fine but in this offense we need a good TE. Colby Fleener hasn't played well this year but yea he was an option.
Maybe myers scared reese away
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Positions, like RT, RG, TE, RB, FB, LB. Yes we have players but no money spent or premium picks used in ANY of those areas. The inability to shore up the really really rotten parts of this roster just infuriate me as does Reese and his "basketball on grass" bullshit.
He said pick "one" thing, Joey
being in a candy store, you can't just pick one....bad drafts and bad FA signings created so many holes on this team, that there is no way you can fix them all in one season or in three, unless you have a plan...the Giants don't have one.....they have neglected their main weapon on this team Eli, for years...they should have built this team around him.....instead it's been a patchwork process of using an old formula that doesn't work anymore....this team has been so bad for so long, that we wanted it to be a "contendah" in one season, because other teams have done it...what this team has to do first is regain it's respectability, so that when good teams look at the calendar, they don't automatically pencil in a W....
As fans, we assumed too much....free agent signings were going to make this DL the best in the NFL....SS was just going to play lights out over Randle....our draft picks would all be huge contributors.......the front office did nothing to the OL, so obviously we didn't need help there...and of course, we hired our OC to be HC, mainly to keep the continuity of this offense and Eli.....and a new strength and conditioning coach would eliminate the injuries....in a perfect world yes....
This next game, is our season.....we have rolled our eyes with TC after a bye.....let's see what Mac has up his sleeve...
I do know a two way TE would mask a lot of the problems on offense.
we have a two way TE... Jerell Adams got just 5 snaps and one catch for 7 yards against the Rams. They refuse to play people.....
The rebuilding of the O-line the three draft picks .
Pugh Richberg and Flowers . Pugh being the best as of now
but he is not what I would call dominate .
The inability to run the ball continues to be the #1 problem .
Letting Bennett go was foolish .
Not one TE on the team that scares anyone or has to be accounted for .
Same with the RB position not one back on this team is a
threat teams have to key on .
The Prince and Linil drafts and lost only to have to spned
another pick or acquire a top FA .
The 5 play menu that the defense knows by heart .
Fortunately we can draft Jake Butt next year. Of course, we'll probably reach for a DB instead.