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Pick 1 thing that frustrates you the most about this roster

Spider56 : 10/27/2016 7:04 pm
To me, its another year of not having a decent TE ... Can you imagine what Eli and the offense could be if he had a consistent blocker and a reliable threat over the middle. JR needs to look at the history books ... Joe Walton, Aaron Thomas, Bob Tucker, Bavaro, Mowatt, Howard Cross, Shockey, etc ... Who'd I miss ? Oy !
#1 - Injuries  
Trainmaster : 10/27/2016 7:14 pm : link
Another roster with a lot of players (of course at the same positions) that can't stay healthy.

Dishonorable Mention:

No pass rush. 3-4 or 4-3, the Giants were typically known for a strong pass rush.

Same thing that bothered me the minute Andre brown got hurt in 2012  
djm : 10/27/2016 7:14 pm : link
The lack of a big time RB. Not to say Andre Brown was great but for a game or two brown looked very good then he got hurt and the 2012 running game went with him. The Giants recognized this and drafted wilson in round 1 that following draft but we know how that went. I didn't love the Jennings FA signing but not necessarily because of the player more that I feared the Giants wouldn't add any more significant talent to the position. Vereen is a decent role player but nothing special not even close to an every down back.

RB. I know the ol issues but the lack of talent at the position can't be missed or ignored. Jennings snd vereen should be backups.

I'm praying for Perkins.
we need a 2-way TE to be successful in this system and we choose  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/27/2016 7:16 pm : link
not to have one.

martellus bennett was traded for a 4th round.. pats got an extra 6th...

not sure if it was on the table but thats mine.
No dominant maniac  
Giants2012 : 10/27/2016 7:19 pm : link
on defense.
hmm decisions decisions  
Torrag : 10/27/2016 7:23 pm : link
one the one hand Larry Donnell. Crap hands, crap blocker, turnover waiting to happen and a ten cent head.,

on the other Trevin Wade. Hasn't met a pass target in his direction he can defend.

If he was still playing an active role Newhouse would figure prominently in this post but praise God he isn't.

And the winner is...all of the above.
RE: #1 - Injuries  
David in LA : 10/27/2016 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13193698 Trainmaster said:
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Another roster with a lot of players (of course at the same positions) that can't stay healthy.

Dishonorable Mention:

No pass rush. 3-4 or 4-3, the Giants were typically known for a strong pass rush.


We had some bad injury luck, but it's nowhere close to what our injury report looked like in years past. Our pass rush has shown an uptick, but the pressures were there for the most part. Don't think the defense is near the top of the list as to what's really flawed with our roster. I'd say TE is the biggest weakness, and then RB.
a craptacular right side  
Reb8thVA : 10/27/2016 7:34 pm : link
Of the offensive line followed by th lack of a well rounded TE
The tremendously ignored  
Joey in VA : 10/27/2016 7:37 pm : link
Positions, like RT, RG, TE, RB, FB, LB. Yes we have players but no money spent or premium picks used in ANY of those areas. The inability to shore up the really really rotten parts of this roster just infuriate me as does Reese and his "basketball on grass" bullshit.
For me, the most frustrating aspect  
The_Boss : 10/27/2016 7:52 pm : link
Of this roster is the snail's pace that it is taking to rebuild this damn offensive line. We're 4 years in and we're still 2 players short. Flowers is a RT who will be given all the time in the world to try to develop into a LT and we have no stable long term answer at RG and RT. Guys like Schwartz and JD Walton weren't the answer in FA, nor are Newhouse and Jerry. Premium assets (read: high draft picks and/or FA dollars) continue to be needed to sink into this unit. Unbelievable.
Eli  
DennyInDenville : 10/27/2016 7:55 pm : link
And the play calling .

Also Donnell
The complete  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/27/2016 8:02 pm : link
ignoring of the offensive line.

I mean, you gotta be on some stuff to not make ANY changes to this offensive line from last year.

It's like the last time we were able to move the ball effectively on the ground was 2010.
I'd have to say TE  
beatrixkiddo : 10/27/2016 8:07 pm : link
As it's henposition that has been totally ignored over the last couple years. It's a mere after thought to this organization, yet if they invested in a true Threat of an TE it would open up everything (Deep routes to the WR's, more successful running game, red zone option).

This organization at least went out and spent $ or resources to provide solid depth or starters at many other positions. The OL isn't as bad as it's made out to be, the problem has been primarily Eli and unfortunately not everyone playing there best together. Each week it's a mystery as to who is gonna lay an egg which makes it tough. They will get better.

I agree this team does need a dominant pass rusher again. Someone to build this front around. JPP plays his heart out, but I'm just not sold he's going to be what he once was. I still love him and hope he has a part on this team. Vernon it's still too early to tell especially with the injury. I hope Odi and Okwara can keep growing but I don't see them ever as starters.
No FB, no quality TE, no OL depth  
Ivan15 : 10/27/2016 8:21 pm : link
All leading to lack of a running game.

So is that one thing or three?
RE: For me, the most frustrating aspect  
81_Great_Dane : 10/27/2016 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13193733 The_Boss said:
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Of this roster is the snail's pace that it is taking to rebuild this damn offensive line. We're 4 years in and we're still 2 players short. Flowers is a RT who will be given all the time in the world to try to develop into a LT and we have no stable long term answer at RG and RT. Guys like Schwartz and JD Walton weren't the answer in FA, nor are Newhouse and Jerry. Premium assets (read: high draft picks and/or FA dollars) continue to be needed to sink into this unit. Unbelievable.
The problem is worse than you say, actually.

The problem with the O-line isn't neglect, it's failure. Failure by the front office, to be specific. The line has two first-round picks (Pugh and Flowers) and a second-round pick (Richburg). They've spent big free agent $ on O-linemen (Schwartz and Baas) who kind of busted here. The early picks aren't stars. (Richburg looked like he was about to become an All-Pro but has regressed this year, for whatever reason.) The expensive free agents fizzled. The developmental projects haven't developed, though Hart is arguably overperforming his draft position.

If it was neglect, you could say "Well, they need to address the line." But they have addressed the line, and it's still bad. That's the front office actively failing on something they're working on, not letting it go while they worked on something else.

Worse.

I will give this to the front office: Having drafted more O-line busts in the mid-to-late rounds than I can even remember over the last 10 years, they seem to have decided not to bother, and to focus on using early picks on linemen. That's a great concept: Get blue-chip prospects instead of hoping that your projects develop. But the blue-chip prospects aren't playing so well.
RE: The tremendously ignored  
Vanzetti : 10/27/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13193719 Joey in VA said:
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Positions, like RT, RG, TE, RB, FB, LB. Yes we have players but no money spent or premium picks used in ANY of those areas. The inability to shore up the really really rotten parts of this roster just infuriate me as does Reese and his "basketball on grass" bullshit.


He said pick "one" thing, Joey
How Donnell, Herzlich and Wade are on this team?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/27/2016 8:46 pm : link
Donnell - your basic trainwreck. He can't block, secure the ball and continues his ridiculous leaping when trying to get yards after the catch. We all agree he has size but has the coaching staff done anything to take advantage of it lately? I thought McAdoo said you get pulled from the field when you do moronic things? Well, Donnell needs to be shown the door.

Herzlich - a roster spot for what many of you will defend is a good special teams player? Sorry not nearly enough. He is an awful LB and is immediately targeted everytime he gets snaps. Others will say he can defend the run and is decent on the goal line. Nope wrong again...go watch replays of the Ravens game where they scored on two short goal line plays and how Herzlich was clueless in the end zone behind a pile of bodies. Almost shocking we cannot find a speedier prospect for the future at LB (even a risky one) and teach him to be at least a decent ST player now...shocking.

Wade - the human bulls-eye. My hope for Wade to turn into a decent reserve CB went by the wayside last year versus New Orleans and San Fran. He was basically targeted in each of those games and couldn't hold up...at all. Then when he played versus the Redskins this year, their Punter decided he would challenge Wade...successfully mind you. He is simply a liability if he plays and not worth keeping since he actually has had enough of snaps to prove his worth by now.
Not getting a two way TE  
Patrick77 : 10/27/2016 8:46 pm : link
I can complain about the offensive line but the fact is that if I wasn't complaining about Jerry I'd be complaining about Newhouse, or hart, or flowers or richburg. They have all taken turns disappointing so I don't know what to say there.

I do know a two way TE would mask a lot of the problems on offense.
No Tight End  
yalebowl : 10/27/2016 8:52 pm : link
Start with no Tight End.

No fullback.

No play/action passes.

Shotgun draw plays.

Playcalling by the head coach

Vereen being hurt.
Only 1.  
Giant John : 10/27/2016 8:54 pm : link
Screw that.

OLine, Running back, tight end, play calling, injuries to DB's.

Pick one.
RE: RE: For me, the most frustrating aspect  
The_Boss : 10/27/2016 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13193790 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 13193733 The_Boss said:


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Of this roster is the snail's pace that it is taking to rebuild this damn offensive line. We're 4 years in and we're still 2 players short. Flowers is a RT who will be given all the time in the world to try to develop into a LT and we have no stable long term answer at RG and RT. Guys like Schwartz and JD Walton weren't the answer in FA, nor are Newhouse and Jerry. Premium assets (read: high draft picks and/or FA dollars) continue to be needed to sink into this unit. Unbelievable.

The problem is worse than you say, actually.

The problem with the O-line isn't neglect, it's failure. Failure by the front office, to be specific. The line has two first-round picks (Pugh and Flowers) and a second-round pick (Richburg). They've spent big free agent $ on O-linemen (Schwartz and Baas) who kind of busted here. The early picks aren't stars. (Richburg looked like he was about to become an All-Pro but has regressed this year, for whatever reason.) The expensive free agents fizzled. The developmental projects haven't developed, though Hart is arguably overperforming his draft position.

If it was neglect, you could say "Well, they need to address the line." But they have addressed the line, and it's still bad. That's the front office actively failing on something they're working on, not letting it go while they worked on something else.

Worse.

I will give this to the front office: Having drafted more O-line busts in the mid-to-late rounds than I can even remember over the last 10 years, they seem to have decided not to bother, and to focus on using early picks on linemen. That's a great concept: Get blue-chip prospects instead of hoping that your projects develop. But the blue-chip prospects aren't playing so well.


Well said. How they've addressed the OL has been an epic failure from top to bottom. The Flowers pick did and still does annoy me the most. The best player in the draft is sitting there for them to take for the 2nd year in a row (with Beckham being the year before) and they run up to podium like they committed a coup....and take Flowers at 9, who is among the worst OT's in football again, over Todd Gurley. I'd rather have Gurley and some OL machination other than Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Newhouse/Hart.
I feel like  
santacruzom : 10/27/2016 10:57 pm : link
The Giants tend to get tunnel vision in the off-season. They may be viewing two or three tunnels at once, sure. But it sure seems as though they have at least as many blind spots yearly as they have units that they address.
Run up the middle on 1st down, so easy to scheme your defense  
GeorgeFox : 10/27/2016 10:59 pm : link
with this team! Second would be Eli's inconsistency.
The very  
old man : 10/27/2016 11:37 pm : link
conservative play calling. No screens(IK, not an Eli strong point), no pump fakes, or fakes off our conservative plays(like those quick swings when OBJ is in the backfield).
A second is in the OL,had hopes EF improved, and with Solari it'd be better.
Tight end  
Gregorio : 10/28/2016 1:58 am : link
the Giants org have shown a relatively low value in this position, and haven't really invested in it for many years. They had Martellus Bennett, but whether it was a personelle issue, clash of personalities, I don't know. They just didn't like him enough to pay him.
I'm tempted to say offensive live  
giantgiantfan : 10/28/2016 2:59 am : link
but its the pass rush from the defensive line because we paid OV and Snacks a lot plus JPP on a one year paired with Hankins who has produced. We saw some signs of life this past game though. I really hope we see an explosion against Philly.
RE: we need a 2-way TE to be successful in this system and we choose  
NikkiMac : 10/28/2016 8:41 am : link
In comment 13193702 Joey from GlenCove said:
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not to have one.

martellus bennett was traded for a 4th round.. pats got an extra 6th...

not sure if it was on the table but thats mine.

Here you Joey but those guys don't grow on trees anymore in today's spread offenses in college!
So tired of the Martellis Bennett stuff  
NikkiMac : 10/28/2016 8:43 am : link
How many teams has he played for now ?
Injuries???  
ryanmkeane : 10/28/2016 9:00 am : link
What has been a bad injury this year other than Thompson? I guess Newhouse? Berhe? These aren't awful injuries.

Most frustrating thing for me would be the tight ends. There's absolutely zero threat from that position.
RE: The tremendously ignored  
ryanmkeane : 10/28/2016 9:01 am : link
In comment 13193719 Joey in VA said:
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Positions, like RT, RG, TE, RB, FB, LB. Yes we have players but no money spent or premium picks used in ANY of those areas. The inability to shore up the really really rotten parts of this roster just infuriate me as does Reese and his "basketball on grass" bullshit.

Our LBs have been good this season.
RE: RE: For me, the most frustrating aspect  
ryanmkeane : 10/28/2016 9:03 am : link
In comment 13193790 81_Great_Dane said:
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I will give this to the front office: Having drafted more O-line busts in the mid-to-late rounds than I can even remember over the last 10 years, they seem to have decided not to bother, and to focus on using early picks on linemen. That's a great concept: Get blue-chip prospects instead of hoping that your projects develop. But the blue-chip prospects aren't playing so well.

Another bullshit statement. Plenty of mid to late round OL can and have developed into pro bowl players, especially for our team. The ones we've picked lately just haven't panned out. Look around the league, plenty of good lineman are starting and playing very well that were taken in rounds 3 or higher.
RE: So tired of the Martellis Bennett stuff  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/28/2016 9:06 am : link
In comment 13194132 NikkiMac said:
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How many teams has he played for now ?


Why? if there was opportunity to bring him here we should have. Cap space wasnt an issue.

Maybe he didnt like it here idk.

The team needs a competent TE. We currently DO NOT have one

RE: RE: we need a 2-way TE to be successful in this system and we choose  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/28/2016 9:09 am : link
In comment 13194127 NikkiMac said:
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In comment 13193702 Joey from GlenCove said:


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not to have one.

martellus bennett was traded for a 4th round.. pats got an extra 6th...

not sure if it was on the table but thats mine.


Here you Joey but those guys don't grow on trees anymore in today's spread offenses in college!


Thats fine but in this offense we need a good TE. Colby Fleener hasn't played well this year but yea he was an option.

Maybe myers scared reese away
It's like  
Doomster : 10/28/2016 9:23 am : link
RE: The tremendously ignored
Vanzetti : 10/27/2016 8:44 pm : link : reply
In comment 13193719 Joey in VA said:
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Positions, like RT, RG, TE, RB, FB, LB. Yes we have players but no money spent or premium picks used in ANY of those areas. The inability to shore up the really really rotten parts of this roster just infuriate me as does Reese and his "basketball on grass" bullshit.


He said pick "one" thing, Joey


being in a candy store, you can't just pick one....bad drafts and bad FA signings created so many holes on this team, that there is no way you can fix them all in one season or in three, unless you have a plan...the Giants don't have one.....they have neglected their main weapon on this team Eli, for years...they should have built this team around him.....instead it's been a patchwork process of using an old formula that doesn't work anymore....this team has been so bad for so long, that we wanted it to be a "contendah" in one season, because other teams have done it...what this team has to do first is regain it's respectability, so that when good teams look at the calendar, they don't automatically pencil in a W....

As fans, we assumed too much....free agent signings were going to make this DL the best in the NFL....SS was just going to play lights out over Randle....our draft picks would all be huge contributors.......the front office did nothing to the OL, so obviously we didn't need help there...and of course, we hired our OC to be HC, mainly to keep the continuity of this offense and Eli.....and a new strength and conditioning coach would eliminate the injuries....in a perfect world yes....

This next game, is our season.....we have rolled our eyes with TC after a bye.....let's see what Mac has up his sleeve...
what frustrates me the most  
King Quis : 10/28/2016 10:39 am : link
about this roster is the Coaches inability to get other players involved outside of the base personal on offense whom at times don't get it done. Example.... Roger Lewis Jr scored a 24yd touchdown catch against the Ravens week 7. In Week 8 he only had one catch for 7 yard. Tavarres King was the most impressive wide out this preseason and he has been a healthy scratch the whole year. Dwayne Harris was clearly the #3 receiver last year with a solid season and hasn't been involved in the offense at all. It is clear that McAdoo is in over his head with the added responsibility being a head coach brings. He must delegate responsibility better for us to have a real shot at anything this year.
RE: Not getting a two way TE  
King Quis : 10/28/2016 10:51 am : link
In comment 13193817 Patrick77 said:
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I can complain about the offensive line but the fact is that if I wasn't complaining about Jerry I'd be complaining about Newhouse, or hart, or flowers or richburg. They have all taken turns disappointing so I don't know what to say there.

I do know a two way TE would mask a lot of the problems on offense.


we have a two way TE... Jerell Adams got just 5 snaps and one catch for 7 yards against the Rams. They refuse to play people.....
3 TEs that probably couldn't start for Michigan  
NNJ Tom : 10/28/2016 11:07 am : link
We are laughably poor at that position.
Concept you win in the trenches  
Bluesbreaker : 10/28/2016 11:23 am : link
One issue too many to list .
The rebuilding of the O-line the three draft picks .
Pugh Richberg and Flowers . Pugh being the best as of now
but he is not what I would call dominate .
The inability to run the ball continues to be the #1 problem .
Letting Bennett go was foolish .
Not one TE on the team that scares anyone or has to be accounted for .
Same with the RB position not one back on this team is a
threat teams have to key on .
The Prince and Linil drafts and lost only to have to spned
another pick or acquire a top FA .
The 5 play menu that the defense knows by heart .
RE: 3 TEs that probably couldn't start for Michigan  
RobCarpenter : 10/28/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 13194379 NNJ Tom said:
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We are laughably poor at that position.


Fortunately we can draft Jake Butt next year. Of course, we'll probably reach for a DB instead.
No skill position player who can block  
njm : 10/28/2016 12:27 pm : link
If you don't have a blocking TE on the roster you SHOULD have a FB.
clearly oline  
mdc1 : 10/29/2016 10:34 am : link
since it went south, so have our postseason possibilities barring discussion of defense too. What is becoming alarming to me however is at some point the Giants will developed a reputation as an oline coach killer as they will foot the blame for the incompetence of Reese's strategy, drafting, player selection on the oline.
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