This legitimately has me worried. The overall simplicity of what the Giants are doing on offense is highly concerning and quite honestly mind boggling. I don't recall the offense being this simple last season. Is it McAdoo? Is it a lack of faith in the pass protection? The routes run by the Giants are mastered during high school. I'm shocked at the lack of complimentary routes and the absence of scheming to beat the coverage. This needs to change fast.
2 TEs? I shudder at the thought of trotting Donnell and Tye out there. Sounds sad, but the 3 WR is our best personnel grouping on paper. Gotta trot out the best 11 men, right?
RE: What's the alternative to the 3 WR set w/o a FB?
2 TEs? I shudder at the thought of trotting Donnell and Tye out there. Sounds sad, but the 3 WR is our best personnel grouping on paper. Gotta trot out the best 11 men, right?
Yeah but you can go 4 WR, line up a TE as a FB, go two TE with Adams and Tye and use Donnell in the slot, Beckham inside...the variations are plenty.
Issues in other areas would be a little easier to tolerate.. offense is supposed to be McAdoo's calling card here and we're running the most basic and easy to defend offense in football.
and not entirely clean house was to keep Eli from having to learn yet another offense (Coughlin/Gilbride, Coughlin/McAdoo, new guy). Continuity would let the offense retain its core proficiency and let experienced players -- especially Eli and OBJ -- add wrinkles.
Simms broke it down like it was a joke. I don't understand why it has to be so painfully simple. I do get why the personnel never changes - in a perfect world Donnel and Tye are healthy scratches or free agents.
It's funny, I remember the Eagles game in I think 2011 when Brandon Jacobs caught that long pass up the sideline and was astounded. A new play! Ever wonder why teams always have those easy open short passes and we never do? Everyone is ALWAYS covered. They know all the fucking plays. That video was really enlightening. We hire one of the "innovative" young minds and get Coughlin part 2. Only the Giants.
I see your logic, but by extension the simplest playbook would have one play in it. And of course that would be even easier to stop.
A defense that doesn't have to think and can just react is going to disrupt your execution. It's negating the one advantage an offense has besides knowing the snap count.
He owns this mess. Oh, it's not his offense? Well, what exactly is Mike Sullivan's offense? Stuff he picked up sniffing Tom Coughlin's butt while regaling the Maras with tales of his military exploits in Gaelic? He didn't even grow up on that side of the ball. How he ever became an NFL OC is beyond me - let alone how he got a second chance.
I hope McAdoo gives Sullivan an opportunity to call plays. If he does well, that's great. If he bombs, we might be rid of him sooner.
Go back and watch the Cowboys game and the Saints game and the Redskin game and tell me that we were not throwing it all over the field out of the 11 set. The 11 set puts out best players out there and give us the best chance to succeed. You want to run three TEs with our TEs?
You can't run 4 WRs sets with no protection from your line.
This from a team that can't even run a screen pass. Our line is overpowered by 5 guys. Our TEs have no skill at blocking and at times can not even find the right guy to block. I am Sure the other team wants us out of 11 personnel because 11 personnel gives us the best chance for the strength of our team (the WRs) to break a long one.
Our best offensive players are our QB and the three WRs.
Our RBS are horrible at running without a a hole. the only one who can is a Rookie.
Qb has to take what the defense gives him and the Playmakers Odell Cruz and Shepard have to get Yac.
Also the Oline seemed to go to shit after Newhouse got hurt. Not that he was the best but he did have chemistry with Jerry. If you watch the Tapes you can see the breakdowns. Also don't you think Eli has influence in this offense and wants the Three WR package then take horrible his after 3 seconds? Beatty Jerry Newhouse Hart Richberg of late None of those can push a pile. None of them. Flowers and Pughand the other teams see it and thats where they attack. So tell me how a Two tTE set is going to fix that When your TEs block like 5.9 WRs.
Adams is so green he messes up most of the time.
Jennings runs like he pulling a cart. Rainey needs a hole. the Rookie is learning and you want o add more plays so they can mess it up more. Coaching Conservative with this group? Your dammed Right! its why we are 4-3 and should have been 5-2. Solari was brought in to teach Run zone blocking and the players he has don't have the ability to do it.
Fire Gillbride because those route trees were way to complex. Too much given the new CBA rules. Too much to expect ELi and any Wonderlics under 35 to be coordinated
Simplify.
Where have we heard this before?
Whats more, remember our successor to Complex Gilbride came from the Green Bay School of Coaching. Except Lombardi ran 2 more plays than we do....a sweep right and a sweep left.
Oh and that Simple Offense
shelovesnycsports : 10:15 pm : link : reply
is 6th in the league.
Last time I looked they were tied for 22nd in scoring....you win games on offense with points and time of possession, another thing this offense is pitiful at...
In order to keep the other team from mass defense changes in personnel Eli has been running the no huddle offense a lot. When you are running the no huddle you don't substitute on the offense side so your sets are going to look very similar play to play. I remember Vince Lombardi once saying he could tell the opposition what play he was going to run and if his team executed correctly it would not make a difference. If your Tight End is a joke and you cant run the ball it will limit your offense a lot more than personnel changes. Donnell is a coach killer. He probably has measurable off the hook but he doesn't play smart get him out of there. Running the play well will correct everything wrong with the offense.
It's funny, I remember the Eagles game in I think 2011 when Brandon Jacobs caught that long pass up the sideline and was astounded. A new play! Ever wonder why teams always have those easy open short passes and we never do? Everyone is ALWAYS covered. They know all the fucking plays. That video was really enlightening. We hire one of the "innovative" young minds and get Coughlin part 2. Only the Giants.
I still remember that play. I was shocked. Couldn't believe it was Jacobs. Wha?? Jacobs? Streaking down the sideline? It was wonderful. And made me happy that we did something unusual, unexpected. Haven't been too happy with McAdoo, though. I just pray he gets the offense together because it bores me and is ineffective.
Ive said it many times here, didnt like him as an OC and still dont as a HC.. Its a joke. Another screw up by this Giants Org. Aside of Coughlin the lack of quality coaches is baffling. smh..
96% of this thread is prdave73 saying the same damn thing.
Dude, change it up a little. I mean, hang a participle once in a while or something...
Look at Will Tye in the Redskins game. 1-1 and he just gave up on the route leading to a costly interception.
Sterling Shepard against Baltimore on the interception, yeah it shoulda been flagged for interference but it was a one on one match up and he lost.
I can see why every pass Eli throws is a 50-50 ball.
So... WTF?
Huge menu and you order the same goop every time.
Althought General Tso's and some dumplings is way more satisfying than watching this Giants offense.
Not that that's an excuse.
That's the crazy part. They made it sound like this is a high school offense, how the hell could they not execute?
They sure did.
I see your logic, but by extension the simplest playbook would have one play in it. And of course that would be even easier to stop.
A defense that doesn't have to think and can just react is going to disrupt your execution. It's negating the one advantage an offense has besides knowing the snap count.
I hope McAdoo gives Sullivan an opportunity to call plays. If he does well, that's great. If he bombs, we might be rid of him sooner.
I assumed that was to clear out zones?
You can't run 4 WRs sets with no protection from your line.
This from a team that can't even run a screen pass. Our line is overpowered by 5 guys. Our TEs have no skill at blocking and at times can not even find the right guy to block. I am Sure the other team wants us out of 11 personnel because 11 personnel gives us the best chance for the strength of our team (the WRs) to break a long one.
Our best offensive players are our QB and the three WRs.
Our RBS are horrible at running without a a hole. the only one who can is a Rookie.
Qb has to take what the defense gives him and the Playmakers Odell Cruz and Shepard have to get Yac.
Also the Oline seemed to go to shit after Newhouse got hurt. Not that he was the best but he did have chemistry with Jerry. If you watch the Tapes you can see the breakdowns. Also don't you think Eli has influence in this offense and wants the Three WR package then take horrible his after 3 seconds? Beatty Jerry Newhouse Hart Richberg of late None of those can push a pile. None of them. Flowers and Pughand the other teams see it and thats where they attack. So tell me how a Two tTE set is going to fix that When your TEs block like 5.9 WRs.
Adams is so green he messes up most of the time.
Jennings runs like he pulling a cart. Rainey needs a hole. the Rookie is learning and you want o add more plays so they can mess it up more. Coaching Conservative with this group? Your dammed Right! its why we are 4-3 and should have been 5-2. Solari was brought in to teach Run zone blocking and the players he has don't have the ability to do it.
Simplify.
Where have we heard this before?
Whats more, remember our successor to Complex Gilbride came from the Green Bay School of Coaching. Except Lombardi ran 2 more plays than we do....a sweep right and a sweep left.
Its been hard football to watch for awhile now
shelovesnycsports : 10:15 pm : link : reply
is 6th in the league.
Last time I looked they were tied for 22nd in scoring....you win games on offense with points and time of possession, another thing this offense is pitiful at...
I still remember that play. I was shocked. Couldn't believe it was Jacobs. Wha?? Jacobs? Streaking down the sideline? It was wonderful. And made me happy that we did something unusual, unexpected. Haven't been too happy with McAdoo, though. I just pray he gets the offense together because it bores me and is ineffective.
96% of this thread is prdave73 saying the same damn thing.
Dude, change it up a little. I mean, hang a participle once in a while or something...