96% of plays in the same set--next closest team is at 77%. That is ridiculous. Giants are not THAT untalented at te, these players have produced in the past.
Funny, many of this were observing the lack of play diversity, easy to defend, not taking advantage of the other team's lack of healthy cornerbacks. And we heard defense of the Giant's strategy and that we as fans oversimplified.
Now even Simms is getting in the act saying the reason the receivers aren't getting open is the other team knows what's coming. Not the lack of run game or threat at te. That the route trees and combinations are predictable.
This coach is highly unimpressive considering he's supposed to be an offensive mind. To state the obvious....and whether its Sullivan or Macadoo this is an almost unconscionable waste of Manning and Beckham by Giants management.
of an OC who does well when that's his only responsibility, but when he becomes the HC he takes his foot off the pedal?
When you're the HC, there's much more pressure and responsibility and it's not as easy to be daring. You now have to think about all three phases of the game. When you're just the OC, you drive straight ahead and have other factors (mainly the HC) as a check and balance.
This has happened when a lot of OC's become HC...their offense doesn't do as well.
Another big factor to the ineffectiveness of the O
Is the loss of Shane Vereen. In Mac's first season he passed to the RBs more, a staple of the WC system. For whatever reason they have stopped throwing the short swing passes to Jennings in the flat. They were obviously going to rely a lot on Vereen. His loss as one of our "weapons" is hugely underrated-particularly for 3rd down conversions.
Mcadoo was assigned with getting Eli's percentages up
I forget if it was 70 or 75. You have to wander if all this dink and donking for five yards even when the play calls for 10 has something to do with it.
Not saying he can't turn it around and yeah it's a small sample size but McAdoo so far is a disaster. People like Simms are actually laughing at the Giants offense. The Giants radio guys have been talking about the overuse of 11 personnel for the past few games. If the radio guys noticed this (and I'll bet that's where Simms got his notion) then you can bet opposing D-cow noticed it too. Don't give me this line that there's no talent on the line or we don't have any RBs because no team in the NFL has pro bowlers at every spot and pretty much everyone who plays in the NFL is a very talented athlete. What distinguishes most NFL teams winning from losing is coaching. Our coach needs to turn it around really quickly.
You all are missing it....this is a plan by McAdoo to suck people
into believing how stale and predictable the Offense is.
Then...just when he thinks everybody has fallen into this lull as to how to Defense us, he will spring all these new formations, designs and plays on the rest of the league.
Probably starting with the Eagles who won't what hit them.
Consider yourself sucked...
Can we bring Tom Coughlin back as the offensive coordinator?
adding Jamaal Charles Mercedes Lewis and Seatrell Henderon .
I mean I doubt none of the three are even on the radar
but all three could be had on the cheap .
Lewis is at the end but is wasting away on the jags and
would give a two way TE .
Charles has some left in the tank but he again is a two way
threat .
Henderson would be an immediate upgrade on the right side .
I can't see how we can stand pat with what we have but
I doubt we add anyone the front office seems to be
stubborn in there view of the talent .
Nobody would mention formation if the offense was doing better. Problem is execution not the formation. You don't have to confuse the defense, you have to beat it.
Eleven players and six of them are not replaceable which leaves you with five that can be. Beckham Jr, Cruz, Sheppard, Jennings, Donnell. Veteran backups most likely have the best chance of making an immediate impact on the offense but we don't have enough of them. Harris, Tye, Rainey, Darkwa. It is very tempting to put rookies out there because fans don't know what they can do but you have to trust the coaches to know when a rookie is ready. Lewis, King, Adams, Perkins.
Putting another receiver on the field will not help the offense. Adding another or better blocker will because the Giants need to run the football effectively.
I stay true to my opinions. I dont bounce around and change my opinion when different things happen. I love my team but i also dont see through the rose colored glasses like some. It bothers me that they keep repeating the same mistakes. Why do the Giants continue to gamble and experiment instead of going with the sure things? Coaches that are proven? They had problems with the system under Coughlin so you fire him and keep the same coaches? It baffles me is all..
Yeah, Simms hit the nail on the head with regard to the Giants offense. The most unimaginative offense in the league. Almost sad to watch. So boring and predictable. No confidence, no swagger, no nothing.
Watching my son's high school game last night and the creative offense they run which kept the defense off balance all night, I kept thinking how is it that a professional team can't be more creative than this? Their standard package is a 5 year toss to the TE on 1st down (50-50 chance of completion), run on 2nd down (usually a 2 year gain) and pass to a WR on 3rd and long assuming they didn't connect on 1st down. And their conversion rate on 3rd and long is woeful.
It appears to me that McAdoo is being overly conservative ( that got Gilbride canned) as though he's trying to out-Coughlin Coughlin. I think he's playing it ultra safe trying not to make a fatal mistake rather than being a little more daring and aggressive in attacking the D. So they rarely sustain a long drive and the defense is on the field for 2/3 of the game.
Not a recipe for a team with playoff aspirations.
I'm giving our offense more time. I think the production is there. Without dropped TD passes, we're 5-2 right now with 3 more TD throws from Eli. Not to mention those misplays by Beckham early in the year.
Also, look at Beckham, Jones, and Brown's game logs. Each of them have huge games between more frequent games of average to poor production. They can be very streaky.
If we can find any level of consistency as a unit and another player can come forward and show they can take the reign when Ds shut down Beckham, we'll be able to string together several consecutive wins. Vereen and Randle, say what you want about Randle, but those guys were able to pile on some TDs. We need someone else to take over that role, hopefully Shepard or Perkins can do that.
our boy Chris here couldn't run an NFL team using this offense....but he can tell us what he knows he thinks he sees...
The other scary thing is how our QB shreds teams with such basic formations. Is he just that good? YEah. Is football perhaps most simple as 1) can the line block? 2) can our D get passed their line?
if they go up to the line with a certain package, how many plays can ELi setup from that packaage at the line? Many many many i assume.
Basic route trees I've found have around 10 routes per receiver, we probably have more than that. So, at least 10x10x10 is a lot of potential permutations. Plus shifting the slot WR, RB, and TE around. It's not as simple on the defense as he makes it sound, especially with a genius D reader like Eli out there.
Teams eventually got to the point where they would play the complicated Gillbride offense in such a way that they "knew" what read and reaction Eli and the WR were supposed to have given their alignment and coverage. To think that in an incredibly simpler offense with less plays being utilized and way way less variation of formations defenses can't do the same is being a little naive.
Funny, many of this were observing the lack of play diversity, easy to defend, not taking advantage of the other team's lack of healthy cornerbacks. And we heard defense of the Giant's strategy and that we as fans oversimplified.
Now even Simms is getting in the act saying the reason the receivers aren't getting open is the other team knows what's coming. Not the lack of run game or threat at te. That the route trees and combinations are predictable.
This coach is highly unimpressive considering he's supposed to be an offensive mind. To state the obvious....and whether its Sullivan or Macadoo this is an almost unconscionable waste of Manning and Beckham by Giants management.
When you're the HC, there's much more pressure and responsibility and it's not as easy to be daring. You now have to think about all three phases of the game. When you're just the OC, you drive straight ahead and have other factors (mainly the HC) as a check and balance.
This has happened when a lot of OC's become HC...their offense doesn't do as well.
Then...just when he thinks everybody has fallen into this lull as to how to Defense us, he will spring all these new formations, designs and plays on the rest of the league.
Probably starting with the Eagles who won't what hit them.
Consider yourself sucked...
Consider yourself sucked...
As Giants fans, we already consider ourselves sucked ... for the past couple of years.
Receivers are 'new' but better.....
Missing vereen hurts yes.
Still it's a major excuse blaming the talent level. It's complete bs.
Receivers are 'new' but better.....
Missing vereen hurts yes.
Still it's a major excuse blaming the talent level. It's complete bs.
Maybe missing a fullback. We had Whitlock to move the pile last year.
Do you guys watch the games?
I mean I doubt none of the three are even on the radar
but all three could be had on the cheap .
Lewis is at the end but is wasting away on the jags and
would give a two way TE .
Charles has some left in the tank but he again is a two way
threat .
Henderson would be an immediate upgrade on the right side .
I can't see how we can stand pat with what we have but
I doubt we add anyone the front office seems to be
stubborn in there view of the talent .
It's mostly scheme.
Please spare me your quotes about being 6th in passing now.
Eleven players and six of them are not replaceable which leaves you with five that can be. Beckham Jr, Cruz, Sheppard, Jennings, Donnell. Veteran backups most likely have the best chance of making an immediate impact on the offense but we don't have enough of them. Harris, Tye, Rainey, Darkwa. It is very tempting to put rookies out there because fans don't know what they can do but you have to trust the coaches to know when a rookie is ready. Lewis, King, Adams, Perkins.
Putting another receiver on the field will not help the offense. Adding another or better blocker will because the Giants need to run the football effectively.
Watching my son's high school game last night and the creative offense they run which kept the defense off balance all night, I kept thinking how is it that a professional team can't be more creative than this? Their standard package is a 5 year toss to the TE on 1st down (50-50 chance of completion), run on 2nd down (usually a 2 year gain) and pass to a WR on 3rd and long assuming they didn't connect on 1st down. And their conversion rate on 3rd and long is woeful.
It appears to me that McAdoo is being overly conservative ( that got Gilbride canned) as though he's trying to out-Coughlin Coughlin. I think he's playing it ultra safe trying not to make a fatal mistake rather than being a little more daring and aggressive in attacking the D. So they rarely sustain a long drive and the defense is on the field for 2/3 of the game.
Not a recipe for a team with playoff aspirations.
Also, look at Beckham, Jones, and Brown's game logs. Each of them have huge games between more frequent games of average to poor production. They can be very streaky.
If we can find any level of consistency as a unit and another player can come forward and show they can take the reign when Ds shut down Beckham, we'll be able to string together several consecutive wins. Vereen and Randle, say what you want about Randle, but those guys were able to pile on some TDs. We need someone else to take over that role, hopefully Shepard or Perkins can do that.
The other scary thing is how our QB shreds teams with such basic formations. Is he just that good? YEah. Is football perhaps most simple as 1) can the line block? 2) can our D get passed their line?
The opposition also knows what Eli will check down to if we take away some of those options.
Pre-snap, the opposition is forcing Eli to check down to the options that the defense would prefer the Giants run.
We are allowing ourselves to be manipulated.
Basic route trees I've found have around 10 routes per receiver, we probably have more than that. So, at least 10x10x10 is a lot of potential permutations. Plus shifting the slot WR, RB, and TE around. It's not as simple on the defense as he makes it sound, especially with a genius D reader like Eli out there.
The opposition also knows what Eli will check down to if we take away some of those options.
Pre-snap, the opposition is forcing Eli to check down to the options that the defense would prefer the Giants run.
We are allowing ourselves to be manipulated.
So, what you're saying is Eli can't read and adjust appropriately to opposing defenses. I don't think that's true at all.