Raanan: Is Joe Thomas to the Giants realistic?

We've been set at OL for years!!

Eli has a two-year window left - after that the organization has to rebuild. The last 4 years have been about extending the Eli window. You get the tackle now if you think you can make a run.

he discusses that in the linked piece

Giants need more than one player.

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joe thomas would essentially improve 3 positions. LT, flowers to RT and eli gets more protection...now lets assume it helps the run game and a combo of jennings/perkins get going...while we arent a CLEAR one player away. denying how huge thomas could be is simply ignorant. he would make a HUGE difference in the offense as immediately pass pro gets better and you can argue run blocking gets better...two HUGE facets of offense and two of our major deficiencies. elis window is closing FAST and this is a move you make to try and give yourself a chance this season. make the playoffs and you never know

I don't understand this whole premise that the Giants can't trade for Joe Thomas because they're a fringe playoff team.

The Giants have a franchise QB with about 3-4 years left most likely. Adding Thomas to the left side and moving Flowers to the right improves the offensive line dramatically. We would now have two excellent run blocking tackles. This would also eliminate the need for the Giants to use a first or second day draft pick on an offensive tackle.

If the Giants miss the playoffs this year, but they have Thomas and Flowers as the tackles along with Pugh, Flowers and Jerry, they can address other areas of the team like DE, RB, TE early in the draft and free agency.

It makes a ton of sense for me for the Giants to trade for Thomas.

And his salary of $10 mil over the next two years is worth it for an All Pro player.

In comment 13196073 BleedBlue said:

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joe thomas would essentially improve 3 positions. LT, flowers to RT and eli gets more protection...now lets assume it helps the run game and a combo of jennings/perkins get going...while we arent a CLEAR one player away. denying how huge thomas could be is simply ignorant. he would make a HUGE difference in the offense as immediately pass pro gets better and you can argue run blocking gets better...two HUGE facets of offense and two of our major deficiencies. elis window is closing FAST and this is a move you make to try and give yourself a chance this season. make the playoffs and you never know

Completely agree.

Use your first rounder on BPA at LB, RB, TE, DL, WR or OL. Then use your 3rd and 4th pick on BPA at LB, RB, TE, DL, WR or OL. Then next season we are SB contenders going into the final 3 years of the Eli Manning era.

In comment 13196108 est1986 said:

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Use your first rounder on BPA at LB, RB, TE, DL, WR or OL. Then use your 3rd and 4th pick on BPA at LB, RB, TE, DL, WR or OL. Then next season we are SB contenders going into the final 3 years of the Eli Manning era.

use a 2nd for joe thomas and work to get into playoffs THIS season. you NEVER know. the NFL is a wide open league. you get in the dance you have a shot. the defense has looked good and we still have eli and OBJ. no matter how you slice it thomas is a serious improvement for our team for the next 2-3 years and thats probably elis window. sorry but this deal should be made. it seriously improves two major flaws in this offense.

Might be a difference maker. We know it isn't going to happen. These moves would have had to be done weeks ago to be making a difference going forward.

Eli is likely at the twilight of his career and this team during his career hasn't been able to find or develop any other QB to any level of acceptability. We should be all in for the next 3 years IMO.

or Staley. It would immeasurably improve this team right now. We are in good cap shape and a pro bowl level tackle can make a huge difference.

Deal would be announced at the wire. After the Browns pay his week 8 salary. 2nd and conditional 4th/5th in 18.

more

Before we aquire a competent OL TE RB and a Star LB.....
To little to late IMO
We will stubbornly stand pat .....

It should have been done during the past off season.

In comment 13196276 area junc said:

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Deal would be announced at the wire. After the Browns pay his week 8 salary. 2nd and conditional 4th/5th in 18.

Is it imminent?

OJT for Flowers won't happen so he would merely be a backup.

If someone was hurt and the Giants were down a starting lineman and needed to shuffle the line anyway, it would make more sense.

The asking price will be a 2nd rounder or higher. Not worth that price for a 30+ OT.

It might be worth it for a 3rd rounder, but Cleveland is never giving him up for a 3rd.

Move along, nothing to see here.

In comment 13196038 Route 9 said:

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We've been set at OL for years!!

exactly.

Reese will never admit a mistake on a first round pick this early.

It should happen...but he won't pull that trigger.

Has a big block headed mid western bred Tight End who can run down the seam and steam roll the secondary accept for us. Reese take your head out of your ass and trade the farm if you have to! Get us one for Pete's sake !!!!

Not gonna happen
Sy'56 : 3:02 pm : link : reply
Reese will never admit a mistake on a first round pick this early.

It should happen...but he won't pull that trigger.

Eli's Arm is gonna fall off with no running game or get
killed . They toyed with adding an O-line player of quality
ignored it in the draft .
We shall find out against Philly they get after the QB 20
sacks as of now . Its not like we have had much luck
when we play them .

In comment 13196064 ZogZerg said:

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Giants need more than one player.

I've seen a number of posters make this point and it makes me wonder, "if we do indeed need more than one player, why does that mean we shouldn't make an effort to acquire ANY players who do fill a need?"

In comment 13196573 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13196064 ZogZerg said: Quote: Giants need more than one player. I've seen a number of posters make this point and it makes me wonder, "if we do indeed need more than one player, why does that mean we shouldn't make an effort to acquire ANY players who do fill a need?"

Exactly. If in fact they need more than one player, wouldn't adding a player who fills a need mean they need one less?

Wouldn't drafting a player with the pick they'd have to trade only fill one need also? That's provided the pick is a good one and not a bust.

Not a particularly good counter-example by Jordan.

In comment 13196064 ZogZerg said:

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Giants need more than one player.

I hate this line of thinking. So what we don't add any players?

In comment 13196050 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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Eli has a two-year window left - after that the organization has to rebuild. The last 4 years have been about extending the Eli window. You get the tackle now if you think you can make a run.

Huh? The Giants are in the middle of a rebuild. They may be looking for the next franchise QB in the next couple of years, but if they are still rebuilding a number of people will be looking for new jobs.

Eli will retire a lot sooner than many around here expect.

4 years? I would be shocked if it is more than 2 years.

Call it a hunch, but I don't think he sticks around as long as Peyton.

Or is he here strictly for insurance? Because if there is that much concern with flowers then why not give will a chance?

I would love to package a 3 and a 5 with a 2018 4th round pick to get Thomas and (ex-QB) WR-Terrelle Pryor, a 6'-4", 27 year old, up and coming player now that he's changed positions. I'd love for Eli to have a better line and at least one large wideout. I'd also love for him to have a good 2-way TE and a running game. If we can get someone like Bennett or Dwayne Allen for a mid round pick we should do it.

On defense I would love to pry one of the Jets DE's, Wilkerson or Richardson, away because I really don't like much of what I see from Hankins & Bromley. If there is a vet FS available I'd go after him for the right price. Since he is still available I would sign back Jasper Brinkley just because I think he is better than Sheppard every day of the week and especially on Sundays.

Mortgaging the future a bit for immediate returns is acceptable when your two time SB MVP QB is 36 years old. We don't need more youth and question marks. We need to surround Eli with some vets, an O-line he can really trust, a vet TE he can trust, a running game, etc...

We need to be a lot more willing to do what we can to fix the holes on this team that force us to play an unorthodox style of football on offense. Richburg is best on outside runs where he gets to pull and lead. We've been trying to run up the middle predominantly because we can't block on the perimeter. If we want to run up the middle we either need a bigger Center, a FB, or both. Maybe if we could mix it up a bit, but we suck at blocking as a team right now. We need a lot of help.

Is a 2 year plan,this year was try and fix the defense and next year with good cap situation comes the help for the offense. If the Giants overachieve this year that's great but I think this was their plan !

In comment 13196970 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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Eli will retire a lot sooner than many around here expect. 4 years? I would be shocked if it is more than 2 years. Call it a hunch, but I don't think he sticks around as long as Peyton.

You think Eli is only going to play two more years?

In comment 13196758 djm said:

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In comment 13196064 ZogZerg said: Quote: Giants need more than one player. I hate this line of thinking. So what we don't add any players?

You don't waste draft picks going after old players, when you still need a lot of help. You guys act like this signing with solidify the OL and we are good to go. That's BS. You sign FAs and use draft picks to fill the holes and get better. You throw away draft picks if you are ONE PLAYER away and you think he's the guy.

The crux of it for those in favor seems to be a belief we're much closer to contender than those on the flip side (myself included) whom suggest this roster needs more than an expensive, aging left tackle.

2018 hopefully the sweet spot. Continue the recent spate of positive drafting (although much is riding on Flowers putting it together and Richberg bouncing back), and some of the younger guys will be entering their prime for 37 year old Eli.

I just don't see it yet. Although my mind could start on the way to being changed if they don't shit the bed vs Philadelphia as they've been doing so much of. A solid win on Sunday and I may believe they could sneak it at 10-6 with WC2.

If they get killed by the Eagles (again), it's a very bad sign.

Eli has a few years left, get him a good pass blocking LT so he can regain his confidence. He has no idea WTF is going on behind him right now, his confidence and internal clock are shot.
it's gotta be scary playing QB with Flowers at LT

the Giants are the front runners and also hinting that "someone" is offering 2nd in 2017 and conditional 4th in 2018....fwiw

are (of course) publicly saying he's not for sale

Hell, I'd even give a 3rd and a 6th, but I would NOT give a 2nd. A 2nd round pick is a premium pick, and I don't think it's a good move for a 32 year old player.

Reese doesn't tend to hit mid round picks anyway, but he usually does pretty well in the second, Marvin Austin and the LB whose name I'm forgetting aside.

But make no mistake - Thomas will go a LONG way towards fixing this offense.

In comment 13197115 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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I would love to package a 3 and a 5 with a 2018 4th round pick to get Thomas and (ex-QB) WR-Terrelle Pryor, a 6'-4", 27 year old, up and coming player now that he's changed positions. I'd love for Eli to have a better line and at least one large wideout. I'd also love for him to have a good 2-way TE and a running game. If we can get someone like Bennett or Dwayne Allen for a mid round pick we should do it. On defense I would love to pry one of the Jets DE's, Wilkerson or Richardson, away because I really don't like much of what I see from Hankins & Bromley. If there is a vet FS available I'd go after him for the right price. Since he is still available I would sign back Jasper Brinkley just because I think he is better than Sheppard every day of the week and especially on Sundays. Mortgaging the future a bit for immediate returns is acceptable when your two time SB MVP QB is 36 years old. We don't need more youth and question marks. We need to surround Eli with some vets, an O-line he can really trust, a vet TE he can trust, a running game, etc... We need to be a lot more willing to do what we can to fix the holes on this team that force us to play an unorthodox style of football on offense. Richburg is best on outside runs where he gets to pull and lead. We've been trying to run up the middle predominantly because we can't block on the perimeter. If we want to run up the middle we either need a bigger Center, a FB, or both. Maybe if we could mix it up a bit, but we suck at blocking as a team right now. We need a lot of help.

I'd absolutely trade all those picks for Thomas and Pryor but I there's no way the Browns would give up Pryor as a throw in with those picks as the bait.

This is a huge game for NYG, can't afford to lose home divisional games, and they absolutely need to demonstrate they can beat the Eagles.

The loss to the Redskins looms large as well, given the small margin for error NYG has on a weekly basis.

I might make a bigger trade if they want to unload Joe Hayden and give up Duke Johnson, but we could make that future pick a conditional 3 or a 4 with a 5. Perhaps...

I guess not. Not with Sitting Pat Jerry at the helm. Thomas is about the 6th or 7th solid LT the Giants could have had this year who would have improved their line immeasurably. Why would Jerry want to do that? The sad part on this one is the real reason he wouldn't pull the trigger. Jerry doesn't like to part with draft picks because he doesn't want to offend his scouts, who have worked so hard in analyzing these players all year, by reducing their fun on draft day. He has made a statement to this effect in the past. So we appear to have a GM who is more concerned with hurting the feelings of his scouts than he is in upgrading arguably the second most important position on the offense. As I have said in the past, that's not an astute GM.
So we will apparently finish the season with Flowers st LT in spite of the fact that he is entirely not suited for that position. Reese better hope this works out because if it doesn't, he may go down with the ship.

In comment 13200257 johnboyw said:

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I guess not. Not with Sitting Pat Jerry at the helm. Thomas is about the 6th or 7th solid LT the Giants could have had this year who would have improved their line immeasurably. Why would Jerry want to do that? The sad part on this one is the real reason he wouldn't pull the trigger. Jerry doesn't like to part with draft picks because he doesn't want to offend his scouts, who have worked so hard in analyzing these players all year, by reducing their fun on draft day. He has made a statement to this effect in the past. So we appear to have a GM who is more concerned with hurting the feelings of his scouts than he is in upgrading arguably the second most important position on the offense. As I have said in the past, that's not an astute GM. So we will apparently finish the season with Flowers st LT in spite of the fact that he is entirely not suited for that position. Reese better hope this works out because if it doesn't, he may go down with the ship.

What makes you think the Browns would do a trade? The team that just went out and traded FOR Collins isn't likely to turn around and trade away Thomas. Browns already have two #1s next year. They're in acquisition mode, not tear-down.

In comment 13200257 johnboyw said:

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I guess not. Not with Sitting Pat Jerry at the helm. Thomas is about the 6th or 7th solid LT the Giants could have had this year who would have improved their line immeasurably. Why would Jerry want to do that? The sad part on this one is the real reason he wouldn't pull the trigger. Jerry doesn't like to part with draft picks because he doesn't want to offend his scouts, who have worked so hard in analyzing these players all year, by reducing their fun on draft day. He has made a statement to this effect in the past. So we appear to have a GM who is more concerned with hurting the feelings of his scouts than he is in upgrading arguably the second most important position on the offense. As I have said in the past, that's not an astute GM. So we will apparently finish the season with Flowers st LT in spite of the fact that he is entirely not suited for that position. Reese better hope this works out because if it doesn't, he may go down with the ship.

Go ahead and list the 6 or 7 that would have improved the team, and how they're faring on their current teams.

In comment 13200257 johnboyw said:

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Jerry doesn't like to part with draft picks because he doesn't want to offend his scouts, who have worked so hard in analyzing these players all year, by reducing their fun on draft day. He has made a statement to this effect in the past.

I'd certainly like to see your source for this quote. You stated it as fact and I don't believe it.

In comment 13200291 dorgan said:

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In comment 13200257 johnboyw said: Quote: Jerry doesn't like to part with draft picks because he doesn't want to offend his scouts, who have worked so hard in analyzing these players all year, by reducing their fun on draft day. He has made a statement to this effect in the past. I'd certainly like to see your source for this quote. You stated it as fact and I don't believe it.

The odds of Reese saying this as a complete joke, if he said this at all?