PFT: Giants only team left for Joe Thomas

had for a 3rd next year and lets say a 7th the following year...how long would he take to contribute? Two weeks?

Give a #2.

You just have to balance what you give up with what you might get.

In comment 13198565 giantgiantfan said:

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how long would he take to contribute? Two weeks?

If he can block the guy standing in front of him, I say it takes about as long as it takes to iron his name onto the back of a jersey

2 and a conditional 5 if he starts X games for us in 2017.

happen. Reese doesn't want to hurt Flowers feelings.

this season is gone. So giving up anything more than a 3rd makes no sense.

I still think this doesn't make sense for the Browns unless they get blown away, which isn't happening.

So that he had an extra week to learn the playbook.

is enough

This guy completely changes the o-line. Becomes our best o-lineman immediately. Your not going to draft a guy his caliber this year. Still nine games to get into the flow of things.

Make the trade

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In comment 13198565 giantgiantfan said: Quote: how long would he take to contribute? Two weeks? If he can block the guy standing in front of him, I say it takes about as long as it takes to iron his name onto the back of a jersey

Yup. If it happens it depends on what day they get him in. I doubt he'd be ready for this Sunday but definitely next.

Get it done Jerry!

wouldn't do it for more than a fourth, which would never get it done.

we all will be frustrated come draft time

3rd & 5th is a very sweet deal for the Brown (who are rebuilding); we get a top tier lineman who can instantly fix our running game woes.

We have the skill players on the roster (better than the 6th best offense that we had in 2015); the problem is in the O-line (and lack of a fullback).

This would be a major step toward becoming a top-5 offense.

and by extension, the defense - this year and beyond. I hope they get this done, even for a second.

The draft is built on your top-3 players. We get Thomas for a #3, that's "even-steven" to me.

(How many #5 become impact players in the NFL ? - Not many)

Plus, if we do well the rest of the season, AND close to the bottom in the 2017 draft order - that's a win for us.

What's the consensus on how to employ the rest of the line?

Do we just move Flowers to RT and have him have to adjust to that in season or would it be easier for him and better for the whole line if they just slid him over to LG and move Pugh back to RT for the rest of the year since he has experience there?

with thomas. We need the younger version of eli.

. No need for Thomas. Fire and Hire somebody that can pick oline draftees.

In comment 13198632 xman said:

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with thomas. We need the younger version of eli.

Great course of action, lets do it!

In comment 13198594 arcarsenal said:

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Agreed. I'd do a 3rd rounder for Joe Thomas

In comment 13198632 xman said:

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with thomas. We need the younger version of eli.

Put Eli behind a line he is confident will block for him and he will get the job done.

In comment 13198632 xman said:

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with thomas. We need the younger version of eli.

Maybe not having to even think about his blind side when dropping back or the team actually being able to run left might just be what's needed to see the best of Eli.

For those that don't, what the fuck are we still doing with Eli if we're gonna hinge on the success of every mid round pick we have? Carson Palmer was washed up until he landed in Arizona. I don't think he magically got younger after he left Oakland.

In comment 13198591 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Make the trade

If the Giants were to make this trade, he better play right away.

take it or leave it

In comment 13198646 OBJRoyal said:

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In comment 13198591 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: Make the trade If the Giants were to make this trade, he better play right away.

Why? What difference would this week or next make? It's not like we'd be trading our current LT for him and be left short handed at the position.

I'd love to see the trade and him in there this week but I don't think he has to be in there so soon. Would he even be here in time to get a practice in this week? I guess he could be here for Wednesday but I don't know if that's enough time to be ready even for an All Pro.

They need another good OL and they won't get that with a 3rd. I'd hate to give up a 2nd. We've got the leverage I think. Make them come to us.

It's not happening. No way in hell Reese makes this trade. No way he gives up a premium pick. No way he takes on a big salary for an aging veteran. No way he calls mercy on Flowers at LT.

Not. Happening.

the third round has been stellar.

He'd immediately be the best LT Eli has had protecting his blindside. Then you give Flowers a shot at upgrading the RT position. Pass/run blocking instantly becomes better.

Now you can run 4 wide. Now you can keep defenses homest w the run and do something besides the shotgun draw.

Hell I might even see what it takes to throw Barnidge into the deal.

Begins and ends with the question how do the Giants feel about flowers at LT or any other position along the OL. If the Giants don't like flowers where he is and feel he'd be better suited to play a position on the right side... but we just don't know. I'd assume they still like flowers. He seems to be making progress even if not in linear fashion.

I hate to just waste a season when we have a decent season
and key guys up in the air next season.
JPP Hankins DRC .. I don't think giving a pick away is
gonna make or break the franchise ...
We are capable of hitting and missing in any given round .
Get the run game going so we don't waste Eli's arm ....

And something tells me at this time next Sunday night there will be a lot of people wishing we had him after watching Eli spend 3 hours running for his life against that pass rush.

In comment 13198565 giantgiantfan said:

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had for a 3rd next year and lets say a 7th the following year...how long would he take to contribute? Two weeks?

is this a serious comment? the guy is a PRO BOWL caliber player, he would start at LT for almost every team in football...he is plug and play REGARDLESS of the system

Still have to pay the man so that won't be cheap. I wish that Barnage would come with the deal

This offense has way too many good working parts, not to add a vital a high quality starter to the mix.

If the trade was gonna happen it should have happened already
robbieballs2003 : 10/31/2016 8:39 pm : link : reply
So that he had an extra week to learn the playbook.

I don't think it will take him long to do what he does best .
The one comment from Mac is never say never even Jerry
was a little coy about the Chatter .
We will know by the end of the day tomorrow .
Maybe Cleveland caves and we get him for 3rd rounder .
Its pretty obvious this current o-line is not gonna get
us to where we want to be ....

William Beatty.
What the heck is going on there? And if he couldn't/can't play why did we sign the guy.?

but if he has some years left and can play on a high level ,the giants should make an offer !!!

Time to be bold and TRY to make this team better. Maybe we could even run left with Thomas and Pugh on that side. Can we please help Eli out!!!!!!

In comment 13198768 grizz299 said:

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William Beatty. What the heck is going on there? And if he couldn't/can't play why did we sign the guy.?

Because they had two tackles on the team and one went down. Hart was pressed into service there and has been adequate at best. And what if either him or Flowers went down while Newhouse was still hurt. Breath was never more than a mediocre starter. He missed a whole year and is north of 30. He also got a minimum offer. He's a cheap insurance policy who will be cut in a nanosecond if the Thomas deal goes through

& he can start vs Philly not to mention for the remainder of Manning's career

But we are due for a Marvin Austin/ Rueben Randle in the 2nd next draft anyway so fuck it..

3rd is about right. Maybe a late throw in pick if that's what's needed to get it done.

But this is unlikely to happen. The more telling is that they are having the conversation and what it means for Flowers. I felt the language was not as strongly behind Flowers as a LT than we had heard in the past. This coming after a week of self scouting is telling.

That's the wrong side of 30. If he were 25-27, he might be worth the asking price. At 31 you can't give them as much.

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of his run.

the normal Giant-thing to do. The age isn't a big concern although I assume he is healthy?

And this team needs to go against the grain a bit more.

Middle round pick straight up is fine...

I'd be interested to see how much, however, Thomas wants to play.

Protections with the LT are much easier to transition and learn the playbook than a C or G.

when and if our next 3 round pick starts contributing to a playoff team we will have much bigger problems with looking for a franchise QB.. I'd trade for a 3rd in a heart beat..

In comment 13198768 grizz299 said:

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William Beatty. What the heck is going on there? And if he couldn't/can't play why did we sign the guy.?

This is my point. The Giants obviously like Flowers right where he is and they may also like Hart right where he is.

Some of you might be able to convince yourself that Flowers isn't worth the trouble but the Giants must like him. Maybe he's not even the problem. Watch the games again and focus on him in every game. He's not always bad. If the Giants like him, this whole debate is a waste of bandwidth.

Brutish technique! He doesn't care ,how a defender is positioned. He doesn't need to play off the technique of a defensive player.

He is not the weak link of the Offensive line. Personally I think the Center Richburg needs to get stronger.
As for Hart he needs to lift more and to get better arm strength and lower body leverage.

Flowers needs to use his power to swat defenders off their path of attack, and learn the best techniques to utilize his strength.

In comment 13199296 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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Brutish technique! He doesn't care ,how a defender is positioned. He doesn't need to play off the technique of a defensive player. He is not the weak link of the Offensive line. Personally I think the Center Richburg needs to get stronger. As for Hart he needs to lift more and to get better arm strength and lower body leverage. Flowers needs to use his power to swat defenders off their path of attack, and learn the best techniques to utilize his strength.

Actually doesn't your description pretty much epitomize a RT?