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Why do the Eagles beat us?

Reale01 : 11/2/2016 4:08 pm
They always get a seem to get lot of pressure on Manning and we usually turn the ball over more than they do.

They often make a big special teams play against us in the particularly return game. Although a blocked kick or faked kick would not be a surprise.

We do not usually get a lot of pressure on the Eagle QB (although there are a couple notable exceptions).

We cannot cover there RBs and TEs on pass plays. We have allowed big plays.

They hold us to FGs when we are in the Red Zone. It has thus been named the Green Zone because they rule it.

Giants have tended to have conservative game plans vs Eagles to limit try to limit turnovers and big plays. They have not done that and they have eliminated our big plays.

IMO - We are better. The Giants should attack aggressively and let the chips fall where they may. Exploit their RT, challenge their receivers - who suck. Attack the corners on defense - they suck. Play fast and tire out their defense.






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robbieballs2003 : 11/2/2016 4:17 pm : link
They beat us because  
Mike from SI : 11/2/2016 4:19 pm : link
they have a phenominal D-line.
RE: They beat us because  
Route 9 : 11/2/2016 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13201255 Mike from SI said:
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they have a phenominal D-line.


And the Giants have a weak o line. Bad combo?
They are a better team with better coaching against the Giants  
GeorgeFox : 11/2/2016 4:20 pm : link
predictable offense and defense.
Normally it is because  
section125 : 11/2/2016 4:20 pm : link
they are the better team.
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Go Terps : 11/2/2016 4:20 pm : link
To me it's always been the same thing: we struggle to win the line of scrimmage. Mike Patterson, Broderick Bunkley, Jeremiah Trotter, Fletcher Cox, Connor Barwin, Trent Cole... These guys have really given us problems.
Because they obliterate us  
The_Boss : 11/2/2016 4:22 pm : link
At the LOS. We can't block them on offense and we cannot stop their ground game or sniff the QB's ass on pass plays on defense.
The better team  
pjcas18 : 11/2/2016 4:22 pm : link
usually wins those games. the lone exception the Matt Dodge/collapse game, that was flukey/stupid plays/coaching
RE: RE: They beat us because  
Mike from SI : 11/2/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13201258 Route 9 said:
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In comment 13201255 Mike from SI said:


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they have a phenominal D-line.



And the Giants have a weak o line. Bad combo?


Not a good combination for the Giants. A good combination for the Eagles.
Better TEs, better RBs  
Ivan15 : 11/2/2016 4:34 pm : link
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Its their Super Bowl  
WideRight : 11/2/2016 4:35 pm : link
The only thing they can win
As is always the case with NFC East games  
gmen9892 : 11/2/2016 4:41 pm : link
The team that wins the LOS wins. We have not been able to win the LOS on EITHER side for a long long time now. The last time we swept the season series was in 2007, when our OL and DL were far superior to theirs.

The DL has enough talent to win their battle. I am not so sure the OL does, which has been the main reason we have lost every game since 2013 to them.
RE: The better team  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/2/2016 4:51 pm : link
pjcas18 said:
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usually wins those games. the lone exception the Matt Dodge/collapse game, that was flukey/stupid plays/coaching

Certainly true of the recent Coughlin-Kelly games. Those Giant teams were pretty bad. But some of the Reid-era night game losses were just as jinxy as Matt Dodge/DJax. Remember Eli fumbling because after six years in the NFL he hadn't learned to slide... twice? Or the jump ball to Ramses Barden that led to an offensive interference penalty, when the Giants were already in position for a game-winning field goal? Fassel lost weird ones to Reid too, in 2001 and 2003.
Giants generally score less points than Eagles  
Jimmy Googs : 11/2/2016 5:18 pm : link
in all those losses.

Tough to overcome that...
Seriously though, to me a common theme is Eagles  
Jimmy Googs : 11/2/2016 5:21 pm : link
play 60 minutes of aggressive ball in all 3 phases and we don't. We allow for the game to be taken to us instead of taking it to them.

The one area that they have consistently taken advantage of us is our O-line...even when we had a good O-line.
Key to the game is stopping  
WillieYoung : 11/2/2016 6:04 pm : link
Jordan Matthews, their best receiver, who plays in the slot. Hopefully this is Eli Apple's coming out party.
Its infuriating  
RetroJint : 11/2/2016 6:04 pm : link
to say but the Giants play timid football against the Eagles. They get the dog shit beat out of them on both sides of the LOS.
Dont overlook the special teams advantage....  
kinard : 11/2/2016 6:05 pm : link
... whether it was Westbrook, Jackson, Sproles, even Akers for a long time, they always seemed to make a play on special teams that crushes us. (I could even go back to Vai Sikahema or that damn Clyde Simmons TD off a blocked field goal)

Now we have to deal with Josh Huff. Beware.
Since ~2000  
Joey from GlenCove : 11/2/2016 6:14 pm : link
Special teams seems to have been the great equalizer
RE: Because they obliterate us  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/2/2016 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13201268 The_Boss said:
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At the LOS. We can't block them on offense and we cannot stop their ground game or sniff the QB's ass on pass plays on defense.


This.
Yep, LOS.  
CT Charlie : 11/2/2016 6:29 pm : link
Outside of the conference, game planning and scheming can give us (or opponents) an edge. Within the conference, games usually come down to willpower and the trenches.
LOS is obvious,  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/2/2016 6:34 pm : link
but I agree with some in this thread that they always seem to have better Special Teams than us, as well.
pretty simple - 2 things  
mdc1 : 11/2/2016 7:02 pm : link
Reid era - big plays and outcoaching us
now - win the battle of the LOS and they have done that
decisively for several seasons now. A horrid defense did not help either.
So in short  
Reale01 : 11/2/2016 7:02 pm : link
LOS
Special teams
Game planning

Googs said it well.
We should play to win. We sometimes play not to not to lose. Will the new coach make a difference?

We will see early on
Pressure on Eli?
Pressure on Wentz?
Can we run?
Special teams?

Thanks for the comments fellas
Your thread Reale01 so give me your view on this...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/2/2016 7:12 pm : link
Would you favor our Defensive Gameplan to be coming after Wentz hard and fast early on, or allow the game to take shape and then adjust accordingly?

Its not like our D-Line has gotten home often or forced many turnovers, so maybe are better letting Wentz throw underneath, we make the tackle and force the punts.

What say you?

Anybody else chime in too of course...
they have always played hard vs the Giants  
ed90631 : 11/2/2016 7:22 pm : link
since the Giants put up 63 points against Philly in (im guessing) 1973.

The eagles dont always win but they are usually tough.
RE: Dont overlook the special teams advantage....  
FStubbs : 11/2/2016 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13201401 kinard said:
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... whether it was Westbrook, Jackson, Sproles, even Akers for a long time, they always seemed to make a play on special teams that crushes us. (I could even go back to Vai Sikahema or that damn Clyde Simmons TD off a blocked field goal)

Now we have to deal with Josh Huff. Beware.


Randall Cunningham's 91 yard punt.
Or for the clincher ...  
FStubbs : 11/2/2016 7:50 pm : link
... "Miracle" in the Meadowlands.
RE: RE: The better team  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/2/2016 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13201322 Big Blue Blogger said:
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pjcas18 said:

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usually wins those games. the lone exception the Matt Dodge/collapse game, that was flukey/stupid plays/coaching


Certainly true of the recent Coughlin-Kelly games. Those Giant teams were pretty bad. But some of the Reid-era night game losses were just as jinxy as Matt Dodge/DJax. Remember Eli fumbling because after six years in the NFL he hadn't learned to slide... twice? Or the jump ball to Ramses Barden that led to an offensive interference penalty, when the Giants were already in position for a game-winning field goal? Fassel lost weird ones to Reid too, in 2001 and 2003.


I still don't know how Barden was called for OPI on that play when Asomugha didn't even let him run his route, that was a bad call.
googs  
Reale01 : 11/2/2016 11:10 pm : link
I would press the receivers and challenge them to beat our CBs. Put jackrabbit on Mathews who is Wentz go to guy. Try to get pressure up the middle and contain on the outside 5 and 6 person rush.

Allowing dinks is not the way to go IMO except on 3rd and long.

On offense I would mix in some max protects and double moves, Also some dumps to RBs but not when Eli looks at the RB the whole way. If we get ahead I would continue to attack. The Eagles have come back when our offense attacks or our defense sits back.

The Eagles long gains on offense have not come from long throws, they come from YAC.

Cause the Giants don't have Plax anymore  
David B. : 11/2/2016 11:34 pm : link
The GIants OWNED the Eagles when Plax was a Giant. NY should pay Plax to suit up for 2 games a year and run 10 plays.
Jason Babin becomes an All Pro against us  
David in LA : 11/2/2016 11:38 pm : link
as many have noted, Giants get their asses kicked in the trenches against Philly. I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances against them coming off a bye week.
RE: googs  
Jimmy Googs : 11/3/2016 9:01 am : link
In comment 13201787 Reale01 said:
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I would press the receivers and challenge them to beat our CBs. Put jackrabbit on Mathews who is Wentz go to guy. Try to get pressure up the middle and contain on the outside 5 and 6 person rush.

Allowing dinks is not the way to go IMO except on 3rd and long.

On offense I would mix in some max protects and double moves, Also some dumps to RBs but not when Eli looks at the RB the whole way. If we get ahead I would continue to attack. The Eagles have come back when our offense attacks or our defense sits back.

The Eagles long gains on offense have not come from long throws, they come from YAC.


Seems like the majority of their successful runs are still behind that left side w/ Peters & Barbre. That is where we need to be stacked and/or ready for the cutback with Collins probably. Also noted how they are not using their TEs as much which is good as that usually kills us (watch them go off now...). Dallas was focused on defending that screen game and Sean Lee did a nice job so our LBs can't just be dropping into zones.

I would go aggressive man-to-man on WRs to take away the short throws, and have bodies all over the LOS. Sproles or Ryan Mathews may pop a few long ones before we get them down but seems like the benefits of making Wentz uncomfortable outweigh the cons since they don't have a dynamic offense. Can sprinkle in a few zone coverages here and there just to
test him as well.

We have a good healthy secondary, so lets go take it for a ride on this one. Our Offense needs as much help as possible so maybe we give them a few TOs and short fields early on to grab a lead.
Or conversely, the gameplan could be to  
Jimmy Googs : 11/3/2016 9:07 am : link
- be conservative but smart on Defense, keep everything in front of us and just make the tackle
- try and establish a a running game early on, mixed in with short passes to Slot and TEs
- Let Eli and OBJ use the entire first half to figure out how they are defending him and exploit it in the second half

This is a winner too...
agree with Retro  
JonC : 11/3/2016 9:07 am : link
Not only do the Eagles own the LOS but the Giants tend to play timid versus Philly, they constantly get beaten down. It's a joke in most contests.
Funny thing is,  
Doomster : 11/3/2016 10:13 am : link
I have seen games where the Giants come out and play well against the Eagles, and then "THAT" one mistake happens, and the game goes south in a heartbeat...and as soon as it happens, you shake your head, because now you know the outcome that is to come....
RE: Funny thing is,  
family progtitioner : 11/3/2016 10:29 am : link
In comment 13202321 Doomster said:
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I have seen games where the Giants come out and play well against the Eagles, and then "THAT" one mistake happens, and the game goes south in a heartbeat...and as soon as it happens, you shake your head, because now you know the outcome that is to come....


So true. I hope this team has better leadership and won't crumble at the first sign of adversity. So far this year they've done a great job hanging in there but the eagles are always a different beast
It's really quite simple...  
John K : 11/3/2016 8:26 pm : link
They are a better team than we are. (I wish it were not so)!
RE: It's really quite simple...  
JOrthman : 11/4/2016 2:05 am : link
In comment 13203407 John K said:
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They are a better team than we are. (I wish it were not so)!


That might explain this year, but not the other 13 games with two of those being SB years.
Interesting question.  
truebluelarry : 11/4/2016 8:40 am : link
The Giants are a miserable 3-13 against Philadelphia since the second meeting in 2008.

Sometimes the Eagles won because they were simply the better team, but that's hardly the case over eight full seasons. Most of the times the matchup was fairly even, and in a couple of instances the Giants lost when they were the better team.

This post intrigued because I've been doing a lot of newspaper research the past few months. While going through the Washington Post I read a great preview for one of the Giants-Redskins games in 1986 (forget which one exactly) and Joe Gibbs was asked why his team had such trouble with the Giants while they pretty much handled the rest of the NFL with little trouble. Gibbs answer (I'm paraphrasing here) attributed their struggles being tied to the psychology of past results. he said that when a particular team (or even individual player) repeatedly gets the better of you, you expect it to happen, and it ends up being a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.

It could be as simple as the Giants knowing they are facing the Eagles and their confidence wanes just enough that when they are in a close game late they expect something bad to happen. How often has that been the case?

The Eagles are in the teams and our own heads  
AnnapolisMike : 11/4/2016 9:15 am : link
and have been for a long time. It just seems like when the Giants play the Eagles we expect a bad result.

I'd try to establish the run in this game with our fresh legs and take the occasional shot. On defense...I think you have to try and make Wentz uncomfortable in the pocket. Force him into making bad decisions.

I feel good about this game...
Don't worry  
Carl in CT : 11/4/2016 9:22 am : link
We will kick their ass this week.
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